In article 1387081389405627643.933360bmckeenospam-
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iBoaterer wrote:
In article 145542309405567106.527220bmckeenospam-
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"F.O.A.D." wrote:
Save the Transfats!

FDA eyes ban on trans fats due to heart disease risk

Trans fats may be on their way out of U.S. foods.

The Food and Drug Administration has announced plans to have so-called
"partially hydrogenated oils (PHOs)," which are the main source of
artificial trans fats in processed foods, to be classified as food
additives. That means they won't be allowed to be used in food without
authorization of the FDA, which may effectively ban the substances.

FDA commissioner Dr. Margaret Hamburg told reporters Wednesday that the
action is being considered because PHOs are "not generally recognized as
safe for use in food."

The agency will allow 60 days for comments from the public and food
manufacturers, asking the latter how long it might take to reformulate
current products should the determination be finalized.

The agency pointed out some companies have voluntarily been scaling back
the amount of trans fat in foods. But it wants more to be done - an
additional 20,000 heart attacks and 7,000 deaths from heart disease each
year could be prevented by reducing trans fats, according to the FDA.

"These are significant numbers," said Hamburg.

"While consumption of potentially harmful artificial trans fat has
declined over the last two decades in the United States, current intake
remains a significant public health concern," she added in a statement.
"The FDA's action today is an important step toward protecting more
Americans from the potential dangers of trans fat."

The oils behind trans fats can be found in crackers, cookies, frozen
pies, other baked goods, microwave popcorn and other snacks, frozen
pizza, coffee creamers, refrigerated dough products (like biscuits and
cinnamon rolls), ready-to-use frostings, vegetable shortenings and stick
margarine, according to the FDA.

Consuming trans fat has been tied to an increased risk for coronary heart
disease, a condition in which plaque builds up inside the arteries, which
may lead to a heart attack. Previous research, including a 2002 report
from the nonpartisan Institute of Medicine, found a direct correlation
between eating trans fats and increased levels of "bad" LDL cholesterol,
which in turn can increase heart disease risk. The institute recommended
against eating any amount of the fats, finding they offered no health benefit.

Nanny state!

Yeah, people should be as unhealthy as possible, then all of the tax
payers can pay for their care.

Still, what is happening to freedom here?

I have no problem with what anybody does to themselves as long as it
doesn't burden ME. That said, who gets to pick and choose just WHAT
"freedoms"? Should one be free to rape or murder? How about arson? Okay
with that? Before you go on about those involve other people, so does
drug use, alcohol use, tobacco use, trans-fat use, and on and on.

iBoaterer wrote:
In article 1387081389405627643.933360bmckeenospam-
, says...

iBoaterer wrote:
In article 145542309405567106.527220bmckeenospam-
, says...

"F.O.A.D." wrote:
Save the Transfats!

FDA eyes ban on trans fats due to heart disease risk

Trans fats may be on their way out of U.S. foods.

The Food and Drug Administration has announced plans to have so-called
"partially hydrogenated oils (PHOs)," which are the main source of
artificial trans fats in processed foods, to be classified as food
additives. That means they won't be allowed to be used in food without
authorization of the FDA, which may effectively ban the substances.

FDA commissioner Dr. Margaret Hamburg told reporters Wednesday that the
action is being considered because PHOs are "not generally recognized as
safe for use in food."

The agency will allow 60 days for comments from the public and food
manufacturers, asking the latter how long it might take to reformulate
current products should the determination be finalized.

The agency pointed out some companies have voluntarily been scaling back
the amount of trans fat in foods. But it wants more to be done - an
additional 20,000 heart attacks and 7,000 deaths from heart disease each
year could be prevented by reducing trans fats, according to the FDA.

"These are significant numbers," said Hamburg.

"While consumption of potentially harmful artificial trans fat has
declined over the last two decades in the United States, current intake
remains a significant public health concern," she added in a statement.
"The FDA's action today is an important step toward protecting more
Americans from the potential dangers of trans fat."

The oils behind trans fats can be found in crackers, cookies, frozen
pies, other baked goods, microwave popcorn and other snacks, frozen
pizza, coffee creamers, refrigerated dough products (like biscuits and
cinnamon rolls), ready-to-use frostings, vegetable shortenings and stick
margarine, according to the FDA.

Consuming trans fat has been tied to an increased risk for coronary heart
disease, a condition in which plaque builds up inside the arteries, which
may lead to a heart attack. Previous research, including a 2002 report
from the nonpartisan Institute of Medicine, found a direct correlation
between eating trans fats and increased levels of "bad" LDL cholesterol,
which in turn can increase heart disease risk. The institute recommended
against eating any amount of the fats, finding they offered no health benefit.

Nanny state!

Yeah, people should be as unhealthy as possible, then all of the tax
payers can pay for their care.

Still, what is happening to freedom here?

I have no problem with what anybody does to themselves as long as it
doesn't burden ME. That said, who gets to pick and choose just WHAT
"freedoms"? Should one be free to rape or murder? How about arson? Okay
with that? Before you go on about those involve other people, so does
drug use, alcohol use, tobacco use, trans-fat use, and on and on.

You should have freedom to do pretty much what ever you want, as long as
the rest of us do not have to pay for your actions. Rape, murder. That is
someone else paying for your actions. Drugs? You want to use them? Your
choice. But we, as a society, are not picking up your medical or societal
costs. Your family can not afford to support you, you die.

On 11/8/13, 3:41 PM, amdx wrote:
On 11/8/2013 1:11 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 11/8/13, 1:51 PM, amdx wrote:
On 11/7/2013 7:05 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
Save the Transfats!


FDA eyes ban on trans fats due to heart disease risk



I found nothing in the article that referenced the Tea Party
fighting for the right to eat transfats.
Mikek

No? Didn't you get the email from your local Tea Party chapter?



Nah, the whole topic is just a figment of you paranoid imagination.
You should stop in and visit your local Tea Party, they're a bunch
of good people that think the government is spending way to much
money. Not anyone you need to be afraid of.
Mikek


The Tea Party is a conglomeration of white trash, with the emphasis on
trash. The elected politicians who claim to be Tea Party members are
racist obstructionists who hate government and want to destroy it.
They're secessionists. Their followers are ignorant and stupid. I'm not
surprised you admire them and think they are good people.

--
Religion: together we can find the cure.

On Fri, 08 Nov 2013 17:01:36 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 11/8/13, 3:41 PM, amdx wrote:
On 11/8/2013 1:11 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 11/8/13, 1:51 PM, amdx wrote:
On 11/7/2013 7:05 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
Save the Transfats!


FDA eyes ban on trans fats due to heart disease risk



I found nothing in the article that referenced the Tea Party
fighting for the right to eat transfats.
Mikek

No? Didn't you get the email from your local Tea Party chapter?



Nah, the whole topic is just a figment of you paranoid imagination.
You should stop in and visit your local Tea Party, they're a bunch
of good people that think the government is spending way to much
money. Not anyone you need to be afraid of.
Mikek


The Tea Party is a conglomeration of white trash, with the emphasis on
trash. The elected politicians who claim to be Tea Party members are
racist obstructionists who hate government and want to destroy it.
They're secessionists. Their followers are ignorant and stupid. I'm not
surprised you admire them and think they are good people.

You can't really blame them for trying to undo the current administration.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!

On 11/8/2013 5:01 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:



The Tea Party is a conglomeration of white trash, with the emphasis on
trash. The elected politicians who claim to be Tea Party members are
racist obstructionists who hate government and want to destroy it.
They're secessionists. Their followers are ignorant and stupid. I'm not
surprised you admire them and think they are good people.



Hypothetical:

The impossible happens and Ted Cruz is elected POTUS in 2016. In the
first few months of his presidency two bills are introduced in Congress
with the full support of Cruz who promises to immediately sign them into
law.

The first is to overturn Roe v. Wade, making abortions illegal.

The second is to reinstate both prayer and teaching of creationism in
public schools.

As a liberal, progressive Democrat, how hard would you be willing to
fight to prevent these bills from becoming law?

Point is the Tea Party crowd are as passionate about their beliefs as
liberal Democrats are about theirs.


Disclaimer: This post is in no way intended to suggest agreement or
support of the "Tea Party" movement.

On 11/8/13, 6:19 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/8/2013 5:01 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:



The Tea Party is a conglomeration of white trash, with the emphasis on
trash. The elected politicians who claim to be Tea Party members are
racist obstructionists who hate government and want to destroy it.
They're secessionists. Their followers are ignorant and stupid. I'm not
surprised you admire them and think they are good people.



Hypothetical:

The impossible happens and Ted Cruz is elected POTUS in 2016. In the
first few months of his presidency two bills are introduced in Congress
with the full support of Cruz who promises to immediately sign them into
law.

The first is to overturn Roe v. Wade, making abortions illegal.

The second is to reinstate both prayer and teaching of creationism in
public schools.

As a liberal, progressive Democrat, how hard would you be willing to
fight to prevent these bills from becoming law?

Point is the Tea Party crowd are as passionate about their beliefs as
liberal Democrats are about theirs.


Disclaimer: This post is in no way intended to suggest agreement or
support of the "Tea Party" movement.

There's not much that can be done while such bills were moving through
Congress. If they were passed, though, I of course would support the
efforts of interested parties to file suit in U.S. District Court in the
District of Columbia for injunctions, which I assure you would be
granted. The District Court would find both unConstitutional. Cruz would
appeal to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fourth District, which would
uphold the District Court. Cruz would try to get the U.S. Supreme Court
to take an appeal. Since both laws would be in violation of settled law,
it is not likely the Supremes would take the case. If they did, they
would find for settled law, and Cruz would again be the fool.

Those sorts of beliefs of course would keep Cruz from being elected in
the first place. Cruz would be slaughtered in the popular and electoral
vote and that might actually signal the end of the Republican Party.



--
Religion: together we can find the cure.

On 11/8/2013 4:55 PM, Califbill wrote:
iBoaterer wrote:
In article 1387081389405627643.933360bmckeenospam-
, says...

iBoaterer wrote:
In article 145542309405567106.527220bmckeenospam-
, says...

"F.O.A.D." wrote:
Save the Transfats!

FDA eyes ban on trans fats due to heart disease risk

Trans fats may be on their way out of U.S. foods.

The Food and Drug Administration has announced plans to have so-called
"partially hydrogenated oils (PHOs)," which are the main source of
artificial trans fats in processed foods, to be classified as food
additives. That means they won't be allowed to be used in food without
authorization of the FDA, which may effectively ban the substances.

FDA commissioner Dr. Margaret Hamburg told reporters Wednesday that the
action is being considered because PHOs are "not generally recognized as
safe for use in food."

The agency will allow 60 days for comments from the public and food
manufacturers, asking the latter how long it might take to reformulate
current products should the determination be finalized.

The agency pointed out some companies have voluntarily been scaling back
the amount of trans fat in foods. But it wants more to be done - an
additional 20,000 heart attacks and 7,000 deaths from heart disease each
year could be prevented by reducing trans fats, according to the FDA.

"These are significant numbers," said Hamburg.

"While consumption of potentially harmful artificial trans fat has
declined over the last two decades in the United States, current intake
remains a significant public health concern," she added in a statement.
"The FDA's action today is an important step toward protecting more
Americans from the potential dangers of trans fat."

The oils behind trans fats can be found in crackers, cookies, frozen
pies, other baked goods, microwave popcorn and other snacks, frozen
pizza, coffee creamers, refrigerated dough products (like biscuits and
cinnamon rolls), ready-to-use frostings, vegetable shortenings and stick
margarine, according to the FDA.

Consuming trans fat has been tied to an increased risk for coronary heart
disease, a condition in which plaque builds up inside the arteries, which
may lead to a heart attack. Previous research, including a 2002 report
from the nonpartisan Institute of Medicine, found a direct correlation
between eating trans fats and increased levels of "bad" LDL cholesterol,
which in turn can increase heart disease risk. The institute recommended
against eating any amount of the fats, finding they offered no health benefit.

Nanny state!

Yeah, people should be as unhealthy as possible, then all of the tax
payers can pay for their care.

Still, what is happening to freedom here?

I have no problem with what anybody does to themselves as long as it
doesn't burden ME. That said, who gets to pick and choose just WHAT
"freedoms"? Should one be free to rape or murder? How about arson? Okay
with that? Before you go on about those involve other people, so does
drug use, alcohol use, tobacco use, trans-fat use, and on and on.

You should have freedom to do pretty much what ever you want, as long as
the rest of us do not have to pay for your actions. Rape, murder. That is
someone else paying for your actions. Drugs? You want to use them? Your
choice. But we, as a society, are not picking up your medical or societal
costs. Your family can not afford to support you, you die.

I wonder if Loogie is feeling the burden that has been thrust upon him
by O'Bama

On 11/8/2013 6:36 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 11/8/13, 6:19 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/8/2013 5:01 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:



The Tea Party is a conglomeration of white trash, with the emphasis on
trash. The elected politicians who claim to be Tea Party members are
racist obstructionists who hate government and want to destroy it.
They're secessionists. Their followers are ignorant and stupid. I'm not
surprised you admire them and think they are good people.



Hypothetical:

The impossible happens and Ted Cruz is elected POTUS in 2016. In the
first few months of his presidency two bills are introduced in Congress
with the full support of Cruz who promises to immediately sign them into
law.

The first is to overturn Roe v. Wade, making abortions illegal.

The second is to reinstate both prayer and teaching of creationism in
public schools.

As a liberal, progressive Democrat, how hard would you be willing to
fight to prevent these bills from becoming law?

Point is the Tea Party crowd are as passionate about their beliefs as
liberal Democrats are about theirs.


Disclaimer: This post is in no way intended to suggest agreement or
support of the "Tea Party" movement.

There's not much that can be done while such bills were moving through
Congress. If they were passed, though, I of course would support the
efforts of interested parties to file suit in U.S. District Court in the
District of Columbia for injunctions, which I assure you would be
granted. The District Court would find both unConstitutional. Cruz would
appeal to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fourth District, which would
uphold the District Court. Cruz would try to get the U.S. Supreme Court
to take an appeal. Since both laws would be in violation of settled law,
it is not likely the Supremes would take the case. If they did, they
would find for settled law, and Cruz would again be the fool.

Those sorts of beliefs of course would keep Cruz from being elected in
the first place. Cruz would be slaughtered in the popular and electoral
vote and that might actually signal the end of the Republican Party.




Thoughtful answer. Thanks.

I guess the Tea Party crowd don't want to mess with courts, so they just
block everything at the Congress level.

On 11/8/13, 7:23 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/8/2013 6:36 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 11/8/13, 6:19 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/8/2013 5:01 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:



The Tea Party is a conglomeration of white trash, with the emphasis on
trash. The elected politicians who claim to be Tea Party members are
racist obstructionists who hate government and want to destroy it.
They're secessionists. Their followers are ignorant and stupid. I'm not
surprised you admire them and think they are good people.



Hypothetical:

The impossible happens and Ted Cruz is elected POTUS in 2016. In the
first few months of his presidency two bills are introduced in Congress
with the full support of Cruz who promises to immediately sign them into
law.

The first is to overturn Roe v. Wade, making abortions illegal.

The second is to reinstate both prayer and teaching of creationism in
public schools.

As a liberal, progressive Democrat, how hard would you be willing to
fight to prevent these bills from becoming law?

Point is the Tea Party crowd are as passionate about their beliefs as
liberal Democrats are about theirs.


Disclaimer: This post is in no way intended to suggest agreement or
support of the "Tea Party" movement.

There's not much that can be done while such bills were moving through
Congress. If they were passed, though, I of course would support the
efforts of interested parties to file suit in U.S. District Court in the
District of Columbia for injunctions, which I assure you would be
granted. The District Court would find both unConstitutional. Cruz would
appeal to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fourth District, which would
uphold the District Court. Cruz would try to get the U.S. Supreme Court
to take an appeal. Since both laws would be in violation of settled law,
it is not likely the Supremes would take the case. If they did, they
would find for settled law, and Cruz would again be the fool.

Those sorts of beliefs of course would keep Cruz from being elected in
the first place. Cruz would be slaughtered in the popular and electoral
vote and that might actually signal the end of the Republican Party.




Thoughtful answer. Thanks.

I guess the Tea Party crowd don't want to mess with courts, so they just
block everything at the Congress level.



I don't know how the GOP extricates itself from the crazies who control
the party or whether it even wants to do so. The U.S. House Tea Party
members are in safe gerrymandered districts. Sitting U.S. Senators are
hard to pry out of office. The last two days of negative comments coming
from the far right about Chris Christie are, I think, indicators that
the Republicans aren't going to change. The funny thing, of course, is
that Christie is a genuine conservative, but not conservative enough for
the Tea Party types.

Of course I have no idea who is going to be the standard bearer for
either party in 2016. But I do know that for the Dems, it will not be a
crazy person. For the Repubs, I'm pretty sure it will be. Someone like
Jon Huntsman, Jr., hasn't a chance for the nomination, but he'd do well
in the general election.

--
Religion: together we can find the cure.

"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 11/8/13, 3:41 PM, amdx wrote:
On 11/8/2013 1:11 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 11/8/13, 1:51 PM, amdx wrote:
On 11/7/2013 7:05 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
Save the Transfats!


FDA eyes ban on trans fats due to heart disease risk



I found nothing in the article that referenced the Tea Party
fighting for the right to eat transfats.
Mikek

No? Didn't you get the email from your local Tea Party chapter?



Nah, the whole topic is just a figment of you paranoid imagination.
You should stop in and visit your local Tea Party, they're a bunch
of good people that think the government is spending way to much
money. Not anyone you need to be afraid of.
Mikek


The Tea Party is a conglomeration of white trash, with the emphasis on
trash. The elected politicians who claim to be Tea Party members are
racist obstructionists who hate government and want to destroy it.
They're secessionists. Their followers are ignorant and stupid. I'm not
surprised you admire them and think they are good people.


Seems as if I saw people of color at the Tea Party rallies on TV. Maybe
they are upset with a government than is hell bent on spending us in to
doom. A recession, the like of has not been seen for a thousand years. We
lose World Reserve Currency status and we are probably in worse shape than
most 3rd world countries. A populace who is not inclined to work hard, and
depends way to much on government handouts. Those flyover, redneck areas
will probably survive a hell of a lot better than most Liberal Arts majors,
and large city dwellers.