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On Monday, September 9, 2013 7:19:40 AM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 9/9/13 7:38 AM, Tim wrote: On Monday, September 9, 2013 5:48:24 AM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 9/8/13 10:42 PM, Tim wrote: ...other fellow veterans. I especially appreciate #11 http://www.upworthy.com/hahaha-so-tr...red-of-hearing Yeah, because U.S. military adventurism has turned out so well for us since the end of World War II, eh? Harry, you should have taken advantage of it while you could have. I enjoyed my stint. Sorry, Tim, but I was never drafted Hmm, I wasn't either. and signing up just encourages militarism. Really? I thought it was enlisting to defend your country. Beside, I thought getting an education and starting a career were more important than killing SE Asians who posed no threat to the United States. Not everyone who served during the 'Vietnam Era' went to Vietnam, Harry. The Soviet Union was a real threat, though. Speaking of... I had a cousin who was stationed in Germany and his job was to keep an eye on Brezhnev and the Roo-ski's. Another found himself in Hawaii, spookin' on Che Mong Shin[sp?], and Chairman Mao. Oh yeah. in the late 60's, the cousin in Hawaii, well... his brother-in-law served on the U.S.S Skate. They served with pride and not a one of them touched shore inSE Asia. |
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On Monday, September 9, 2013 7:45:53 PM UTC-5, BAR wrote:
In article , says... On Sunday, September 8, 2013 9:42:12 PM UTC-5, Tim wrote: ...other fellow veterans. I especially appreciate #11 http://www.upworthy.com/hahaha-so-tr...red-of-hearing #5's reply isn't bad either... Tim, the movie is Full Metal Jacket!!! Yeah, I thought about that this afternoon. LOL! |
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On Monday, September 9, 2013 10:17:56 PM UTC-5, wrote:
The Godless Communists never got past the Wilson Bridge on my watch. (except for the ones the public elected). ;-) "THEY DID NOT PASS" |
To John, BAR, Greg, Richard, FlaJim, and ....
"Tim" wrote in message ... On Monday, September 9, 2013 7:19:40 AM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote: Sorry, Tim, but I was never drafted and signing up just encourages militarism. Hmm, I wasn't either. Really? I thought it was enlisting to defend your country. Beside, I thought getting an education and starting a career were more important than killing SE Asians who posed no threat to the United States. Not everyone who served during the 'Vietnam Era' went to Vietnam, Harry. The Soviet Union was a real threat, though. ------------------------------------------- Harry sometimes strikes me as a charter member of the "me, me, me" generation, even though he was born and grew up before it really became a prevalent philosophy. It is evidenced by his comment, "Besides, I thought getting an education and starting a career were more important ....". Many of us grew up in roughly the same time period but were influenced by a broader range of values and mores. In those days devoting a couple of years of your life to military service or finding other ways to serve your country for a short period of time was an honorable thing to do. It certainly wasn't for the pay or to receive a direct, personal benefit ... the goals that influenced Harry. The concept of Patriotism and service was more pure in those days. When JFK introduced the concept of the Peace Corps in 1960, he described it as an alternative way to "serve your country", an example of the values of the time. The Peace Corps was officially incorporated the following year and offered young people a means of fulfilling whatever obligations they felt they had without military service. Most who have served in the Peace Corps consider it as one of the most meaningful experiences of their lives. None of this is meant to say that everyone should feel a need to serve their country or serve in the military. It's a personal thing, based on how you were raised and influenced. However, the need for a military exists in every generation and those who choose to serve (or those who were called upon to serve and did) ... should not be vilified in the manner that Harry engages in. This is the thing about Harry's attitude that ****es me off sometimes. Ironically, those who serve in the military, be it for only 2 years, 4 years, (9 years active duty and two reserve for me), or made it a career, almost all realize later in life that the experience broadened their lives and they likely received more personal benefit from the experience than they gave. |
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On 9/10/13 4:53 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
"Tim" wrote in message ... On Monday, September 9, 2013 7:19:40 AM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote: Sorry, Tim, but I was never drafted and signing up just encourages militarism. Hmm, I wasn't either. Really? I thought it was enlisting to defend your country. Beside, I thought getting an education and starting a career were more important than killing SE Asians who posed no threat to the United States. Not everyone who served during the 'Vietnam Era' went to Vietnam, Harry. The Soviet Union was a real threat, though. ------------------------------------------- Harry sometimes strikes me as a charter member of the "me, me, me" generation, even though he was born and grew up before it really became a prevalent philosophy. It is evidenced by his comment, "Besides, I thought getting an education and starting a career were more important ....". Many of us grew up in roughly the same time period but were influenced by a broader range of values and mores. In those days devoting a couple of years of your life to military service or finding other ways to serve your country for a short period of time was an honorable thing to do. It certainly wasn't for the pay or to receive a direct, personal benefit ... the goals that influenced Harry. The concept of Patriotism and service was more pure in those days. When JFK introduced the concept of the Peace Corps in 1960, he described it as an alternative way to "serve your country", an example of the values of the time. The Peace Corps was officially incorporated the following year and offered young people a means of fulfilling whatever obligations they felt they had without military service. Most who have served in the Peace Corps consider it as one of the most meaningful experiences of their lives. None of this is meant to say that everyone should feel a need to serve their country or serve in the military. It's a personal thing, based on how you were raised and influenced. However, the need for a military exists in every generation and those who choose to serve (or those who were called upon to serve and did) ... should not be vilified in the manner that Harry engages in. This is the thing about Harry's attitude that ****es me off sometimes. Ironically, those who serve in the military, be it for only 2 years, 4 years, (9 years active duty and two reserve for me), or made it a career, almost all realize later in life that the experience broadened their lives and they likely received more personal benefit from the experience than they gave. And once again, you simply missed the point. As previously stated, of all the young men I knew in my high school graduating class, and I knew a lot of them, only one went directly from high school into the military. Not everyone went to college, but most of the guys I know did. This was in the early 1960s, and there simply wasn't much going on militarily for us anywhere, at least not much that was talked about on the Nightly News. But by 1963, after Thich Quang Duc set himself on fire to protest the Diem dictatorship in South Vietnam, many of us knew that doing anything to support that government was just prolonging its reign of corruption, and we also knew by then that the corruption had a lot more to do with and was a lot deeper than the simple prevention of the spread of communism. We basically were screwing the people of Vietnam, just as the French did. I saw no reason to participate in that fraud. It wasn't as if the North Vietnamese had their eyes on Mississippi or anything other than the long-promised reunification of *their* country. Why would someone voluntarily drop out of college to participate in that military and political fraud? Our military apparatus, the officer corps, was part and parcel of corruption in Vietnam. My issues generally aren't with the individuals who were drafted or enlisted and sent over to Vietnam. I do have issues, though, with right-wingers who think there was something wonderful and honorable about going over there to kill SE Asians because they were somehow being "patriotic." That's a nice rationalization, but Vietnam wasn't Germany, Japan, or even Italy. |
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On 9/10/2013 6:58 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 9/10/13 4:53 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: "Tim" wrote in message ... On Monday, September 9, 2013 7:19:40 AM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote: Sorry, Tim, but I was never drafted and signing up just encourages militarism. Hmm, I wasn't either. Really? I thought it was enlisting to defend your country. Beside, I thought getting an education and starting a career were more important than killing SE Asians who posed no threat to the United States. Not everyone who served during the 'Vietnam Era' went to Vietnam, Harry. The Soviet Union was a real threat, though. ------------------------------------------- Harry sometimes strikes me as a charter member of the "me, me, me" generation, even though he was born and grew up before it really became a prevalent philosophy. It is evidenced by his comment, "Besides, I thought getting an education and starting a career were more important ....". Many of us grew up in roughly the same time period but were influenced by a broader range of values and mores. In those days devoting a couple of years of your life to military service or finding other ways to serve your country for a short period of time was an honorable thing to do. It certainly wasn't for the pay or to receive a direct, personal benefit ... the goals that influenced Harry. The concept of Patriotism and service was more pure in those days. When JFK introduced the concept of the Peace Corps in 1960, he described it as an alternative way to "serve your country", an example of the values of the time. The Peace Corps was officially incorporated the following year and offered young people a means of fulfilling whatever obligations they felt they had without military service. Most who have served in the Peace Corps consider it as one of the most meaningful experiences of their lives. None of this is meant to say that everyone should feel a need to serve their country or serve in the military. It's a personal thing, based on how you were raised and influenced. However, the need for a military exists in every generation and those who choose to serve (or those who were called upon to serve and did) ... should not be vilified in the manner that Harry engages in. This is the thing about Harry's attitude that ****es me off sometimes. Ironically, those who serve in the military, be it for only 2 years, 4 years, (9 years active duty and two reserve for me), or made it a career, almost all realize later in life that the experience broadened their lives and they likely received more personal benefit from the experience than they gave. And once again, you simply missed the point. As previously stated, of all the young men I knew in my high school graduating class, and I knew a lot of them, only one went directly from high school into the military. Not everyone went to college, but most of the guys I know did. This was in the early 1960s, and there simply wasn't much going on militarily for us anywhere, at least not much that was talked about on the Nightly News. But by 1963, after Thich Quang Duc set himself on fire to protest the Diem dictatorship in South Vietnam, many of us knew that doing anything to support that government was just prolonging its reign of corruption, and we also knew by then that the corruption had a lot more to do with and was a lot deeper than the simple prevention of the spread of communism. We basically were screwing the people of Vietnam, just as the French did. I saw no reason to participate in that fraud. It wasn't as if the North Vietnamese had their eyes on Mississippi or anything other than the long-promised reunification of *their* country. Why would someone voluntarily drop out of college to participate in that military and political fraud? Our military apparatus, the officer corps, was part and parcel of corruption in Vietnam. My issues generally aren't with the individuals who were drafted or enlisted and sent over to Vietnam. I do have issues, though, with right-wingers who think there was something wonderful and honorable about going over there to kill SE Asians because they were somehow being "patriotic." That's a nice rationalization, but Vietnam wasn't Germany, Japan, or even Italy. Harry, you are going to great lengths to TRY to convince us that your cowardice and selfishness weren't the reasons you made the decisions you did. Sorry little fella. Your rationalizations for your lack of spine don't fly. |
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