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"F.O.A.D." wrote in message ... Our entire governmental system is based upon the many helping the few. ------------------------- Not a surprising statement from you but entirely untrue. |
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On Tue, 03 Sep 2013 17:57:09 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 03 Sep 2013 12:33:28 -0400, John H wrote: Our cabinet doors were opened, crap all over the floor, and shelves broken. What a mess. === Been there, done that, but we were in 8 to 10 foot waves at the time. All of our galley cabinets have heavy duty latches now. Well crap! I wasn't out in the middle of the damn ocean! This was I-95 going around Boston. We traded in the trailer. Got a bigger one. Pay a *lot* more attention to cabinet storage. Live and learn. John (Gun Nut) H. -- Hope you're having a great day! |
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On Wed, 04 Sep 2013 08:16:53 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 9/3/2013 5:57 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 03 Sep 2013 12:33:28 -0400, John H wrote: Our cabinet doors were opened, crap all over the floor, and shelves broken. What a mess. === Been there, done that, but we were in 8 to 10 foot waves at the time. All of our galley cabinets have heavy duty latches now. I wonder what the speed limit was in that area, and how fast John was going... I mean, if the roads were under construction, the speed limit could have been down around 40-45 in the city loop. Seems you might be moving a bit faster than that to do that kind of damage, and there is no way I am going to believe a "five inch" dropoff, all the way across the road... No road under construction. Normal speed limits - probably 65, although maybe 55. Well, maybe the drop off was only 3", I didn't get out and measure. They were worse than anything I've ever seen on an overpass. There were three or four on the stretch around Boston. John (Gun Nut) H. -- Hope you're having a great day! |
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On 9/4/13 5:19 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 04 Sep 2013 15:43:26 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 9/4/13 3:40 PM, wrote: On Wed, 04 Sep 2013 12:41:09 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 9/4/13 12:33 PM, wrote: Avis makes a profit from my rental. CSX is not even covering their costs from Amtrak and that is actually tax money from people who never ride a train. Costs? What costs? Certainly not additional wear and tear, since a short passenger train weighs only a fraction of what a freight train ways, and there are only a couple of passenger trains a day between here and Florida. CSX's approach to track repair seems to be to repair it when a freight train derails. OK you may be right Amorak takes our tax money and gives it to CSX for the use of their track. How is that any more than another subsidy from people who never ride a train to the few who do? Our entire governmental system is based upon the many helping the few. Why should train travel be any different? Why should we be subsidizing the cost of flood insurance for those who purchase it? So you admit Amtrak is a welfare program. I just picked the example I knew would get a rise out of you. There are many programs subsidized by us that benefit the relatively few. Some, such as research for rare diseases, are necessary for a civilization to engage in if it is truly civilized. Some are not. I'm sure we could each make up a list that satisfies our side in this discussion. Who pays to maintain all those canals you southern Floridians so like? |
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"F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... On 9/4/13 4:44 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote in message There's nothing mythical about depreciation allowances, and they are subsidies. Period. ---------------------------- My business made significant investments in manufacturing and engineering equipment. They were depreciated as allowed under tax laws every year. I never knew they were a "subsidy". Same sort of subsidy as homeowners get on their mortgage interest. ------------------------------------- How the heck is that a "subsidy"? Does MD have an excise tax on automobiles like MA does? Should you pay taxes on the current new value of a car, even if it's 10 years old? |
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"F.O.A.D." wrote in message ... On 9/4/13 4:51 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... On 9/4/13 12:16 PM, wrote: On Wed, 04 Sep 2013 11:09:12 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 9/4/13 10:59 AM, wrote: On Wed, 04 Sep 2013 08:15:00 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: Let's not forget the depreciation allowances airlines get for buying equipment. These are subsidies. What business doesn't get depreciation allowances? You didn't answer but I bet you took an accelerated depreciation allowance on your new printer. If you didn't, fire your accountant. You folks are really stretching to find these mythical subsidies but the fact is the passenger is paying more than the government gives them back. That is far from true in rail where the ticket price doesn't even cover the cost of running the train. There's nothing mythical about depreciation allowances, and they are subsidies. Period. Every business in the US gets them too (even your little hobby). That is not the same as a direct cash infusion like we give passenger rail. A subsidy by any other name would not smell as sweet, eh? ------------------------- I don't understand what you are talking about. I go out and buy a brand new piece of equipment for my business .... call it a fork truck. I pay the full value of the fork truck to the manufacturer. I use the fork truck in the business. Over the years it depreciates in value. I use the depreciation tables as to it's value when filing taxes. How the hell is *that* a subsidy? Special tax breaks for depreciation are tax expenditures because they are government spending programs that give out tax breaks instead of direct payments. --------------------------- Different animal altogether. Tax breaks on investments that are intended to stimulate purchases or further technology is one thing. Good example is the federal tax credits given if you buy an electric or hybrid auto or if you install solar panels on your business or house. Those are subsidized purchases in the respect that you "get back" in tax credits some of your investment costs. Depreciating the value of purchases of equipment used in businesses ..... even cars .... according to a standard depreciation schedule is not a "subsidy" of any kind or shape. |
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On 9/4/13 6:45 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... On 9/4/13 4:44 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote in message There's nothing mythical about depreciation allowances, and they are subsidies. Period. ---------------------------- My business made significant investments in manufacturing and engineering equipment. They were depreciated as allowed under tax laws every year. I never knew they were a "subsidy". Same sort of subsidy as homeowners get on their mortgage interest. ------------------------------------- How the heck is that a "subsidy"? Does MD have an excise tax on automobiles like MA does? Should you pay taxes on the current new value of a car, even if it's 10 years old? You don't think the home mortgage tax deduction is a subsidy of home ownership? |
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"John H" wrote in message ... On Tue, 03 Sep 2013 17:57:09 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 03 Sep 2013 12:33:28 -0400, John H wrote: Our cabinet doors were opened, crap all over the floor, and shelves broken. What a mess. === Been there, done that, but we were in 8 to 10 foot waves at the time. All of our galley cabinets have heavy duty latches now. Well crap! I wasn't out in the middle of the damn ocean! This was I-95 going around Boston. We traded in the trailer. Got a bigger one. Pay a *lot* more attention to cabinet storage. Live and learn. John (Gun Nut) H. --------------------------------- Like boating, you have a severe case of "two-foot-itist". Not to worry. There are many others. |
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On 9/4/13 6:51 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote in message ... On 9/4/13 4:51 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... On 9/4/13 12:16 PM, wrote: On Wed, 04 Sep 2013 11:09:12 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 9/4/13 10:59 AM, wrote: On Wed, 04 Sep 2013 08:15:00 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: Let's not forget the depreciation allowances airlines get for buying equipment. These are subsidies. What business doesn't get depreciation allowances? You didn't answer but I bet you took an accelerated depreciation allowance on your new printer. If you didn't, fire your accountant. You folks are really stretching to find these mythical subsidies but the fact is the passenger is paying more than the government gives them back. That is far from true in rail where the ticket price doesn't even cover the cost of running the train. There's nothing mythical about depreciation allowances, and they are subsidies. Period. Every business in the US gets them too (even your little hobby). That is not the same as a direct cash infusion like we give passenger rail. A subsidy by any other name would not smell as sweet, eh? ------------------------- I don't understand what you are talking about. I go out and buy a brand new piece of equipment for my business .... call it a fork truck. I pay the full value of the fork truck to the manufacturer. I use the fork truck in the business. Over the years it depreciates in value. I use the depreciation tables as to it's value when filing taxes. How the hell is *that* a subsidy? Special tax breaks for depreciation are tax expenditures because they are government spending programs that give out tax breaks instead of direct payments. --------------------------- Different animal altogether. Tax breaks on investments that are intended to stimulate purchases or further technology is one thing. Good example is the federal tax credits given if you buy an electric or hybrid auto or if you install solar panels on your business or house. Those are subsidized purchases in the respect that you "get back" in tax credits some of your investment costs. Depreciating the value of purchases of equipment used in businesses .... even cars .... according to a standard depreciation schedule is not a "subsidy" of any kind or shape. Really? The net effect is a lowering of taxes...a subsidy allowed by the government. |
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On 9/4/13 6:53 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
"John H" wrote in message ... On Tue, 03 Sep 2013 17:57:09 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 03 Sep 2013 12:33:28 -0400, John H wrote: Our cabinet doors were opened, crap all over the floor, and shelves broken. What a mess. === Been there, done that, but we were in 8 to 10 foot waves at the time. All of our galley cabinets have heavy duty latches now. Well crap! I wasn't out in the middle of the damn ocean! This was I-95 going around Boston. We traded in the trailer. Got a bigger one. Pay a *lot* more attention to cabinet storage. Live and learn. John (Gun Nut) H. --------------------------------- Like boating, you have a severe case of "two-foot-itist". Not to worry. There are many others. Wait until Herring's supertrailer wheels fall into a pothole while he is buzzing along the interstates. |
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On 9/4/2013 4:09 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 04 Sep 2013 14:11:59 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 9/4/13 2:08 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 9/4/2013 12:31 PM, wrote: On Wed, 04 Sep 2013 11:16:05 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: I have seen it on the beltway. In fact a guy I know wiped out on one of these "buckles" on a Sportster and I ended up fixing the bike for him. Not trying to indict John... just wondering about 5", seems even outside Boston that would be addressed somehow... They closed the beltway a lane at a time and addressed it after several serious accidents and stories on TV about it. Surprised more people didn't die.. I know if I hit a 5 inch edge with my Jeep, at anything over say, 30 miles an hour, there is no way I would maintain control... Knowing what I know about cars, I can say with almost certainty that that five inch "curb" at speed would collapse the front end of my jeep... I imagine the bike you fixed must have busted in half up near the neck... I suspect the boys here who are talking about 5" curbs across an entire highway are the same boys who tried to convince their wives that 2" was 5". This was whole slabs of the beltway, maybe 20'x30' that were just tilting up. That heave we went over was every bit of 5-6" It was only in a few areas but it was real. There may even be some archived stories about it on the Post web site mid 70s. (75-76?) I might have a dated picture of that sportster somewhere. They blamed it on construction problems on the new lanes. And as much fun as this has been, it still doesn't prove anything about the libs assertion that everything is bad because we haven't spent enough money on union pension fun..... er, uh, infrastructure, yeah, that's it... Infrastructure.... |
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On 9/4/2013 4:09 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 04 Sep 2013 14:11:59 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 9/4/13 2:08 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 9/4/2013 12:31 PM, wrote: On Wed, 04 Sep 2013 11:16:05 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: I have seen it on the beltway. In fact a guy I know wiped out on one of these "buckles" on a Sportster and I ended up fixing the bike for him. Not trying to indict John... just wondering about 5", seems even outside Boston that would be addressed somehow... They closed the beltway a lane at a time and addressed it after several serious accidents and stories on TV about it. Surprised more people didn't die.. I know if I hit a 5 inch edge with my Jeep, at anything over say, 30 miles an hour, there is no way I would maintain control... Knowing what I know about cars, I can say with almost certainty that that five inch "curb" at speed would collapse the front end of my jeep... I imagine the bike you fixed must have busted in half up near the neck... I suspect the boys here who are talking about 5" curbs across an entire highway are the same boys who tried to convince their wives that 2" was 5". This was whole slabs of the beltway, maybe 20'x30' that were just tilting up. That heave we went over was every bit of 5-6" It was only in a few areas but it was real. There may even be some archived stories about it on the Post web site mid 70s. (75-76?) I might have a dated picture of that sportster somewhere. They blamed it on construction problems on the new lanes. Either way, I don't blame John for staying out of this one:) I suspect he might have been a bit off on the height of the step up/down he hit. At the same time, he may have been "traveling too fast for conditions" when he hit that thing at that speed.... Don't know if that provision is used down there but "too fast for conditions" can be moving 35 in a 50 mph zone, depending on "conditions"... If it was unmarked and out of the blue I can possibly understand, but if you are traveling in or around a major city, at least when I am in areas like that I have a rule... I don't over drive my headlights... If I can't see it before I can stop, I am going too fast.... Just my thing. Later and please John, if you are reading this, I am not trying to start a fight, just saying you might have missed a sign, or just not seen it coming, nothing more.... |
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"F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... On 9/4/13 6:45 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... On 9/4/13 4:44 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote in message There's nothing mythical about depreciation allowances, and they are subsidies. Period. ---------------------------- My business made significant investments in manufacturing and engineering equipment. They were depreciated as allowed under tax laws every year. I never knew they were a "subsidy". Same sort of subsidy as homeowners get on their mortgage interest. ------------------------------------- How the heck is that a "subsidy"? Does MD have an excise tax on automobiles like MA does? Should you pay taxes on the current new value of a car, even if it's 10 years old? You don't think the home mortgage tax deduction is a subsidy of home ownership? --------------------------- No, I don't. I see it as a tax credit intended to encourage home ownership for as many as possible. It's not like someone else is paying the amount of the tax credit in order for you to get it. *That* would be a tax subsidy. |
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On 9/4/13 7:13 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... On 9/4/13 6:45 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... On 9/4/13 4:44 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote in message There's nothing mythical about depreciation allowances, and they are subsidies. Period. ---------------------------- My business made significant investments in manufacturing and engineering equipment. They were depreciated as allowed under tax laws every year. I never knew they were a "subsidy". Same sort of subsidy as homeowners get on their mortgage interest. ------------------------------------- How the heck is that a "subsidy"? Does MD have an excise tax on automobiles like MA does? Should you pay taxes on the current new value of a car, even if it's 10 years old? You don't think the home mortgage tax deduction is a subsidy of home ownership? --------------------------- No, I don't. I see it as a tax credit intended to encourage home ownership for as many as possible. It's not like someone else is paying the amount of the tax credit in order for you to get it. *That* would be a tax subsidy. Many economists, especially some of those closely affiliated with anti-tax groups, disagree with you. |
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On 9/4/2013 5:22 PM, John H wrote:
On Wed, 04 Sep 2013 08:16:53 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 9/3/2013 5:57 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 03 Sep 2013 12:33:28 -0400, John H wrote: Our cabinet doors were opened, crap all over the floor, and shelves broken. What a mess. === Been there, done that, but we were in 8 to 10 foot waves at the time. All of our galley cabinets have heavy duty latches now. I wonder what the speed limit was in that area, and how fast John was going... I mean, if the roads were under construction, the speed limit could have been down around 40-45 in the city loop. Seems you might be moving a bit faster than that to do that kind of damage, and there is no way I am going to believe a "five inch" dropoff, all the way across the road... No road under construction. Normal speed limits - probably 65, although maybe 55. Well, maybe the drop off was only 3", I didn't get out and measure. They were worse than anything I've ever seen on an overpass. There were three or four on the stretch around Boston. John (Gun Nut) H. I can see a 2-3 inch drop off and in a "non construction" area.... In CT at least you would see a sign that indicated a "bump" or something "ahead".... But yeah, I can see 2-3 inches... I guess I am more familiar with how roads "work" up here and I drive with a trailer on more than not so I "smell" stuff like that coming:) Not to mention, I am somewhat neurotic and even superstitious in some of the precautions I take before, and when towing a trailer.. I won't go deeper than to say those of you who have paid attention over the years have heard me refer to the "walk around" I do before my wheels ever move, ever.... no matter what... |
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On 9/4/2013 5:24 PM, John H wrote:
On Wed, 04 Sep 2013 11:16:05 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 9/4/2013 11:01 AM, wrote: On Wed, 04 Sep 2013 08:16:53 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 9/3/2013 5:57 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 03 Sep 2013 12:33:28 -0400, John H wrote: Our cabinet doors were opened, crap all over the floor, and shelves broken. What a mess. === Been there, done that, but we were in 8 to 10 foot waves at the time. All of our galley cabinets have heavy duty latches now. I wonder what the speed limit was in that area, and how fast John was going... I mean, if the roads were under construction, the speed limit could have been down around 40-45 in the city loop. Seems you might be moving a bit faster than that to do that kind of damage, and there is no way I am going to believe a "five inch" dropoff, all the way across the road... I have seen it on the beltway. In fact a guy I know wiped out on one of these "buckles" on a Sportster and I ended up fixing the bike for him. Not trying to indict John... just wondering about 5", seems even outside Boston that would be addressed somehow... How's this, "The height may have been only 2-3", but felt like a half foot!" So accuse me of lying, as though I give a rat's ass. They were the worst 'bumps' I've ever experienced on a highway. John (Gun Nut) H. Sorry John, knew you would take it that way.. Just trying to keep a handle on things in this conversation. Remember, the libs here are waiting for us to screw up so they can get back to saying the whole country is falling apart...... Lighten up, I know two inches at 65 probably felt like a foot.... I get it, I tow a lot up here, really I do..... |
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"F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... On 9/4/13 6:51 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote in message ... On 9/4/13 4:51 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... On 9/4/13 12:16 PM, wrote: On Wed, 04 Sep 2013 11:09:12 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 9/4/13 10:59 AM, wrote: On Wed, 04 Sep 2013 08:15:00 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: Let's not forget the depreciation allowances airlines get for buying equipment. These are subsidies. What business doesn't get depreciation allowances? You didn't answer but I bet you took an accelerated depreciation allowance on your new printer. If you didn't, fire your accountant. You folks are really stretching to find these mythical subsidies but the fact is the passenger is paying more than the government gives them back. That is far from true in rail where the ticket price doesn't even cover the cost of running the train. There's nothing mythical about depreciation allowances, and they are subsidies. Period. Every business in the US gets them too (even your little hobby). That is not the same as a direct cash infusion like we give passenger rail. A subsidy by any other name would not smell as sweet, eh? ------------------------- I don't understand what you are talking about. I go out and buy a brand new piece of equipment for my business .... call it a fork truck. I pay the full value of the fork truck to the manufacturer. I use the fork truck in the business. Over the years it depreciates in value. I use the depreciation tables as to it's value when filing taxes. How the hell is *that* a subsidy? Special tax breaks for depreciation are tax expenditures because they are government spending programs that give out tax breaks instead of direct payments. --------------------------- Different animal altogether. Tax breaks on investments that are intended to stimulate purchases or further technology is one thing. Good example is the federal tax credits given if you buy an electric or hybrid auto or if you install solar panels on your business or house. Those are subsidized purchases in the respect that you "get back" in tax credits some of your investment costs. Depreciating the value of purchases of equipment used in businesses .... even cars .... according to a standard depreciation schedule is not a "subsidy" of any kind or shape. Really? The net effect is a lowering of taxes...a subsidy allowed by the government. --------------------------------- Lowering from what? Home ownership spurs the economy in a big way. The more people who can legitimately buy a house (and make the payments), the more snowballing effect it has on the economy. Construction goes up, appliance sales go up, unemployment goes down and tax revenues increase. It's not a subsidy. It's a tax incentive for home ownership that increases tax revenues. |
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"F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... On 9/4/13 7:13 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... On 9/4/13 6:45 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... On 9/4/13 4:44 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote in message There's nothing mythical about depreciation allowances, and they are subsidies. Period. ---------------------------- My business made significant investments in manufacturing and engineering equipment. They were depreciated as allowed under tax laws every year. I never knew they were a "subsidy". Same sort of subsidy as homeowners get on their mortgage interest. ------------------------------------- How the heck is that a "subsidy"? Does MD have an excise tax on automobiles like MA does? Should you pay taxes on the current new value of a car, even if it's 10 years old? You don't think the home mortgage tax deduction is a subsidy of home ownership? --------------------------- No, I don't. I see it as a tax credit intended to encourage home ownership for as many as possible. It's not like someone else is paying the amount of the tax credit in order for you to get it. *That* would be a tax subsidy. Many economists, especially some of those closely affiliated with anti-tax groups, disagree with you. ------------------------- Good. Let them disagree. Take away the mortgage interest deduction and watch overall tax revenues *decrease* as the economy goes from slow forward to dead stop. |
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On 9/4/13 7:56 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... On 9/4/13 6:51 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote in message ... On 9/4/13 4:51 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... On 9/4/13 12:16 PM, wrote: On Wed, 04 Sep 2013 11:09:12 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 9/4/13 10:59 AM, wrote: On Wed, 04 Sep 2013 08:15:00 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: Let's not forget the depreciation allowances airlines get for buying equipment. These are subsidies. What business doesn't get depreciation allowances? You didn't answer but I bet you took an accelerated depreciation allowance on your new printer. If you didn't, fire your accountant. You folks are really stretching to find these mythical subsidies but the fact is the passenger is paying more than the government gives them back. That is far from true in rail where the ticket price doesn't even cover the cost of running the train. There's nothing mythical about depreciation allowances, and they are subsidies. Period. Every business in the US gets them too (even your little hobby). That is not the same as a direct cash infusion like we give passenger rail. A subsidy by any other name would not smell as sweet, eh? ------------------------- I don't understand what you are talking about. I go out and buy a brand new piece of equipment for my business .... call it a fork truck. I pay the full value of the fork truck to the manufacturer. I use the fork truck in the business. Over the years it depreciates in value. I use the depreciation tables as to it's value when filing taxes. How the hell is *that* a subsidy? Special tax breaks for depreciation are tax expenditures because they are government spending programs that give out tax breaks instead of direct payments. --------------------------- Different animal altogether. Tax breaks on investments that are intended to stimulate purchases or further technology is one thing. Good example is the federal tax credits given if you buy an electric or hybrid auto or if you install solar panels on your business or house. Those are subsidized purchases in the respect that you "get back" in tax credits some of your investment costs. Depreciating the value of purchases of equipment used in businesses .... even cars .... according to a standard depreciation schedule is not a "subsidy" of any kind or shape. Really? The net effect is a lowering of taxes...a subsidy allowed by the government. --------------------------------- Lowering from what? Home ownership spurs the economy in a big way. The more people who can legitimately buy a house (and make the payments), the more snowballing effect it has on the economy. Construction goes up, appliance sales go up, unemployment goes down and tax revenues increase. It's not a subsidy. It's a tax incentive for home ownership that increases tax revenues. A tax incentive is a subsidy. |
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"JustWaitAFrekinMinute" wrote in message ... On 9/4/2013 5:24 PM, John H wrote: On Wed, 04 Sep 2013 11:16:05 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 9/4/2013 11:01 AM, wrote: On Wed, 04 Sep 2013 08:16:53 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 9/3/2013 5:57 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 03 Sep 2013 12:33:28 -0400, John H wrote: Our cabinet doors were opened, crap all over the floor, and shelves broken. What a mess. === Been there, done that, but we were in 8 to 10 foot waves at the time. All of our galley cabinets have heavy duty latches now. I wonder what the speed limit was in that area, and how fast John was going... I mean, if the roads were under construction, the speed limit could have been down around 40-45 in the city loop. Seems you might be moving a bit faster than that to do that kind of damage, and there is no way I am going to believe a "five inch" dropoff, all the way across the road... I have seen it on the beltway. In fact a guy I know wiped out on one of these "buckles" on a Sportster and I ended up fixing the bike for him. Not trying to indict John... just wondering about 5", seems even outside Boston that would be addressed somehow... How's this, "The height may have been only 2-3", but felt like a half foot!" So accuse me of lying, as though I give a rat's ass. They were the worst 'bumps' I've ever experienced on a highway. John (Gun Nut) H. Sorry John, knew you would take it that way.. Just trying to keep a handle on things in this conversation. Remember, the libs here are waiting for us to screw up so they can get back to saying the whole country is falling apart...... Lighten up, I know two inches at 65 probably felt like a foot.... I get it, I tow a lot up here, really I do..... --------------------------- This is a stupid conversation IMO, but what the hell, I'll throw in my 2 cents worth. Ever notice that a speed bump taken at 30 mph isn't anywhere near as upsetting to a vehicle as crawling over it at 2 mph? |
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wrote in message ... On Wed, 4 Sep 2013 19:13:52 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: You don't think the home mortgage tax deduction is a subsidy of home ownership? --------------------------- No, I don't. I see it as a tax credit intended to encourage home ownership for as many as possible. It's not like someone else is paying the amount of the tax credit in order for you to get it. *That* would be a tax subsidy. I agree with Harry, in fact I think I said it first. The mortgage interest deduction is a subsidy and it gets paid for by renters or cash buyers. The subsidy actually benefits bankers the most. It takes some of the sting out of interest rates and allows them to sell bigger loans. The homeowner may feel good when they write that big deduction on their schedule A but it is just a fraction of their own money coming back. --------------------------- You think? Take the mortgage interest deduction away and watch what happens to overall federal tax revenues. |
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"F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... On 9/4/13 7:13 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... On 9/4/13 6:45 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... On 9/4/13 4:44 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote in message There's nothing mythical about depreciation allowances, and they are subsidies. Period. ---------------------------- My business made significant investments in manufacturing and engineering equipment. They were depreciated as allowed under tax laws every year. I never knew they were a "subsidy". Same sort of subsidy as homeowners get on their mortgage interest. ------------------------------------- How the heck is that a "subsidy"? Does MD have an excise tax on automobiles like MA does? Should you pay taxes on the current new value of a car, even if it's 10 years old? You don't think the home mortgage tax deduction is a subsidy of home ownership? --------------------------- No, I don't. I see it as a tax credit intended to encourage home ownership for as many as possible. It's not like someone else is paying the amount of the tax credit in order for you to get it. *That* would be a tax subsidy. Many economists, especially some of those closely affiliated with anti-tax groups, disagree with you. ------------------------- Good. Let them disagree. Take away the mortgage interest deduction and watch overall tax revenues *decrease* as the economy goes from slow forward to dead stop. ------------------------------ BTW ... I have no dog in this fight. We don't have a mortgage. All we pay is ridiculously high property taxes. |
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"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... On 9/4/13 7:13 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... On 9/4/13 6:45 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... On 9/4/13 4:44 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote in message There's nothing mythical about depreciation allowances, and they are subsidies. Period. ---------------------------- My business made significant investments in manufacturing and engineering equipment. They were depreciated as allowed under tax laws every year. I never knew they were a "subsidy". Same sort of subsidy as homeowners get on their mortgage interest. ------------------------------------- How the heck is that a "subsidy"? Does MD have an excise tax on automobiles like MA does? Should you pay taxes on the current new value of a car, even if it's 10 years old? You don't think the home mortgage tax deduction is a subsidy of home ownership? --------------------------- No, I don't. I see it as a tax credit intended to encourage home ownership for as many as possible. It's not like someone else is paying the amount of the tax credit in order for you to get it. *That* would be a tax subsidy. Many economists, especially some of those closely affiliated with anti-tax groups, disagree with you. ------------------------- Good. Let them disagree. Take away the mortgage interest deduction and watch overall tax revenues *decrease* as the economy goes from slow forward to dead stop. ------------------------------ BTW ... I have no dog in this fight. We don't have a mortgage. All we pay is ridiculously high property taxes. Since you can deduct those property taxes from your federal and probably state tax return, you're receiving a subsidy there, too. |
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You guys can deduct your property taxes from your information come taxes??
I'd love to have that benefit. |
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On 9/4/13 9:28 PM, True North wrote:
You guys can deduct your property taxes from your information come taxes?? I'd love to have that benefit. Indeed, the government subsidizes home purchases. And if your boat has a toilet and a few other necessities, you can deduct the interest on the boat loan. |
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"F.O.A.D." wrote in message ... "Mr. Luddite" wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... On 9/4/13 7:13 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... On 9/4/13 6:45 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... On 9/4/13 4:44 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote in message There's nothing mythical about depreciation allowances, and they are subsidies. Period. ---------------------------- My business made significant investments in manufacturing and engineering equipment. They were depreciated as allowed under tax laws every year. I never knew they were a "subsidy". Same sort of subsidy as homeowners get on their mortgage interest. ------------------------------------- How the heck is that a "subsidy"? Does MD have an excise tax on automobiles like MA does? Should you pay taxes on the current new value of a car, even if it's 10 years old? You don't think the home mortgage tax deduction is a subsidy of home ownership? --------------------------- No, I don't. I see it as a tax credit intended to encourage home ownership for as many as possible. It's not like someone else is paying the amount of the tax credit in order for you to get it. *That* would be a tax subsidy. Many economists, especially some of those closely affiliated with anti-tax groups, disagree with you. ------------------------- Good. Let them disagree. Take away the mortgage interest deduction and watch overall tax revenues *decrease* as the economy goes from slow forward to dead stop. ------------------------------ BTW ... I have no dog in this fight. We don't have a mortgage. All we pay is ridiculously high property taxes. Since you can deduct those property taxes from your federal and probably state tax return, you're receiving a subsidy there, too. -------------------------- Good. (I have no idea .... our accountant does all that stuff). I never thought of deductions as subsidies, but I guess I can see how you can view it that way. I'll take it. I know I've paid my share of taxes over the years. |
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On 9/4/2013 8:03 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
"JustWaitAFrekinMinute" wrote in message ... On 9/4/2013 5:24 PM, John H wrote: On Wed, 04 Sep 2013 11:16:05 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 9/4/2013 11:01 AM, wrote: On Wed, 04 Sep 2013 08:16:53 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 9/3/2013 5:57 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 03 Sep 2013 12:33:28 -0400, John H wrote: Our cabinet doors were opened, crap all over the floor, and shelves broken. What a mess. === Been there, done that, but we were in 8 to 10 foot waves at the time. All of our galley cabinets have heavy duty latches now. I wonder what the speed limit was in that area, and how fast John was going... I mean, if the roads were under construction, the speed limit could have been down around 40-45 in the city loop. Seems you might be moving a bit faster than that to do that kind of damage, and there is no way I am going to believe a "five inch" dropoff, all the way across the road... I have seen it on the beltway. In fact a guy I know wiped out on one of these "buckles" on a Sportster and I ended up fixing the bike for him. Not trying to indict John... just wondering about 5", seems even outside Boston that would be addressed somehow... How's this, "The height may have been only 2-3", but felt like a half foot!" So accuse me of lying, as though I give a rat's ass. They were the worst 'bumps' I've ever experienced on a highway. John (Gun Nut) H. Sorry John, knew you would take it that way.. Just trying to keep a handle on things in this conversation. Remember, the libs here are waiting for us to screw up so they can get back to saying the whole country is falling apart...... Lighten up, I know two inches at 65 probably felt like a foot.... I get it, I tow a lot up here, really I do..... --------------------------- This is a stupid conversation IMO, but what the hell, I'll throw in my 2 cents worth. Ever notice that a speed bump taken at 30 mph isn't anywhere near as upsetting to a vehicle as crawling over it at 2 mph? Yes, I guess we all need that Lotus/Callaway Active Suspension from those 80's Corvettes... |
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On 9/4/2013 8:20 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... On 9/4/13 7:13 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... On 9/4/13 6:45 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... On 9/4/13 4:44 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote in message There's nothing mythical about depreciation allowances, and they are subsidies. Period. ---------------------------- My business made significant investments in manufacturing and engineering equipment. They were depreciated as allowed under tax laws every year. I never knew they were a "subsidy". Same sort of subsidy as homeowners get on their mortgage interest. ------------------------------------- How the heck is that a "subsidy"? Does MD have an excise tax on automobiles like MA does? Should you pay taxes on the current new value of a car, even if it's 10 years old? You don't think the home mortgage tax deduction is a subsidy of home ownership? --------------------------- No, I don't. I see it as a tax credit intended to encourage home ownership for as many as possible. It's not like someone else is paying the amount of the tax credit in order for you to get it. *That* would be a tax subsidy. Many economists, especially some of those closely affiliated with anti-tax groups, disagree with you. ------------------------- Good. Let them disagree. Take away the mortgage interest deduction and watch overall tax revenues *decrease* as the economy goes from slow forward to dead stop. ------------------------------ BTW ... I have no dog in this fight. We don't have a mortgage. All we pay is ridiculously high property taxes. 5500 a year for 1/2 acre.. Hey, somebody's gotta' pay for that SWAT Team... :) |
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On Wednesday, September 4, 2013 8:01:30 PM UTC-4, F.O.A.D. wrote:
A tax incentive is a subsidy. PAID your taxes yet, you stinking heap of ****?? |
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On Wednesday, September 4, 2013 8:20:21 PM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
BTW ... I have no dog in this fight. We don't have a mortgage. All we pay is ridiculously high property taxes. But you CAN afford a "boutique " Guitar Store.... YOU...are another rich pc of ****. |
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On Wednesday, September 4, 2013 9:28:20 PM UTC-4, True North wrote:
You guys can deduct your property taxes from your information come taxes?? I'd love to have that benefit. Go learn to backup a trailered Boat, ****head |
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On Monday, September 2, 2013 7:26:07 PM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 9/2/13 8:23 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: And how would you get to work if you had anything to carry for work, or deliver anything for work... Trains are only good for paperpushers and vacationers anyway... How would that impact you? You are unemployed and unemployable. What would you be carrying or delivering to "work," since you don't work? It's nothing novel that many ask that same question of you, Krause. |
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On 9/4/13 10:03 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote in message ... "Mr. Luddite" wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... On 9/4/13 7:13 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... On 9/4/13 6:45 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... On 9/4/13 4:44 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote in message There's nothing mythical about depreciation allowances, and they are subsidies. Period. ---------------------------- My business made significant investments in manufacturing and engineering equipment. They were depreciated as allowed under tax laws every year. I never knew they were a "subsidy". Same sort of subsidy as homeowners get on their mortgage interest. ------------------------------------- How the heck is that a "subsidy"? Does MD have an excise tax on automobiles like MA does? Should you pay taxes on the current new value of a car, even if it's 10 years old? You don't think the home mortgage tax deduction is a subsidy of home ownership? --------------------------- No, I don't. I see it as a tax credit intended to encourage home ownership for as many as possible. It's not like someone else is paying the amount of the tax credit in order for you to get it. *That* would be a tax subsidy. Many economists, especially some of those closely affiliated with anti-tax groups, disagree with you. ------------------------- Good. Let them disagree. Take away the mortgage interest deduction and watch overall tax revenues *decrease* as the economy goes from slow forward to dead stop. ------------------------------ BTW ... I have no dog in this fight. We don't have a mortgage. All we pay is ridiculously high property taxes. Since you can deduct those property taxes from your federal and probably state tax return, you're receiving a subsidy there, too. -------------------------- Good. (I have no idea .... our accountant does all that stuff). I never thought of deductions as subsidies, but I guess I can see how you can view it that way. I'll take it. I know I've paid my share of taxes over the years. I'm sure your accountant finds you every deduction to which you are entitled. |
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says... On Wed, 04 Sep 2013 15:43:26 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 9/4/13 3:40 PM, wrote: On Wed, 04 Sep 2013 12:41:09 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 9/4/13 12:33 PM, wrote: Avis makes a profit from my rental. CSX is not even covering their costs from Amtrak and that is actually tax money from people who never ride a train. Costs? What costs? Certainly not additional wear and tear, since a short passenger train weighs only a fraction of what a freight train ways, and there are only a couple of passenger trains a day between here and Florida. CSX's approach to track repair seems to be to repair it when a freight train derails. OK you may be right Amorak takes our tax money and gives it to CSX for the use of their track. How is that any more than another subsidy from people who never ride a train to the few who do? Our entire governmental system is based upon the many helping the few. Why should train travel be any different? Why should we be subsidizing the cost of flood insurance for those who purchase it? So you admit Amtrak is a welfare program. I admit that Amtrak receives subsidies, and never said otherwise. But I am bright enough to know and understand that the airline industry does as well! |
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says... On Wed, 04 Sep 2013 14:08:21 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 9/4/2013 12:31 PM, wrote: On Wed, 04 Sep 2013 11:16:05 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: I have seen it on the beltway. In fact a guy I know wiped out on one of these "buckles" on a Sportster and I ended up fixing the bike for him. Not trying to indict John... just wondering about 5", seems even outside Boston that would be addressed somehow... They closed the beltway a lane at a time and addressed it after several serious accidents and stories on TV about it. Surprised more people didn't die.. I know if I hit a 5 inch edge with my Jeep, at anything over say, 30 miles an hour, there is no way I would maintain control... Knowing what I know about cars, I can say with almost certainty that that five inch "curb" at speed would collapse the front end of my jeep... I imagine the bike you fixed must have busted in half up near the neck... Fortunately it wasn't on the leading edge side. It was a ski ramp. 11 guys made it, one guy, a fairly new rider, didn't. He squirreled out on the landing and went into the swale. Broken leg and a beat up bike. What's amazing to me is that Scotty's Jeep won't withstand that 5" jump! Hell, I've flew much higher than that in old beat up cars of my youth! Usually the end result is lost hubcaps! |
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says... On 9/4/2013 4:09 PM, wrote: On Wed, 04 Sep 2013 14:11:59 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 9/4/13 2:08 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 9/4/2013 12:31 PM, wrote: On Wed, 04 Sep 2013 11:16:05 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: I have seen it on the beltway. In fact a guy I know wiped out on one of these "buckles" on a Sportster and I ended up fixing the bike for him. Not trying to indict John... just wondering about 5", seems even outside Boston that would be addressed somehow... They closed the beltway a lane at a time and addressed it after several serious accidents and stories on TV about it. Surprised more people didn't die.. I know if I hit a 5 inch edge with my Jeep, at anything over say, 30 miles an hour, there is no way I would maintain control... Knowing what I know about cars, I can say with almost certainty that that five inch "curb" at speed would collapse the front end of my jeep... I imagine the bike you fixed must have busted in half up near the neck... I suspect the boys here who are talking about 5" curbs across an entire highway are the same boys who tried to convince their wives that 2" was 5". This was whole slabs of the beltway, maybe 20'x30' that were just tilting up. That heave we went over was every bit of 5-6" It was only in a few areas but it was real. There may even be some archived stories about it on the Post web site mid 70s. (75-76?) I might have a dated picture of that sportster somewhere. They blamed it on construction problems on the new lanes. And as much fun as this has been, it still doesn't prove anything about the libs assertion that everything is bad because we haven't spent enough money on union pension fun..... er, uh, infrastructure, yeah, that's it... Infrastructure.... Yeah, right, idiot. I guess we should do nothing, let the roads go back to nature, the train tracks, the airports, everything, just let it go. |
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