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"F.O.A.D." wrote in message ... On 9/2/13 8:46 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: "BAR" wrote in message . .. I just went to the WAMATA.com web site and plugged in my home address and my work address to see what it would take to get from home to work. It will take 1 hour and 7 minutes and I get to ride a bus to the Metro station, take a train a couple of stops and then take another bus ride. It would take me 1 hour and 7 minutes and cost me $3.20. If I drive it takes 25 minutes and about 1/4 of a gallon of gas. Even figuring in insurance and maintenance I would pay about $2 at the most and I would get to work in less than 1/2 the time. ----------------------------- Just for kicks, I went to the Amtrak website and priced the *cheapest* one-way fare from Boston to Charleston, SC. Train would leave Boston at 9:30 pm and arrive in Wash DC at about 7 am the next morning. Then a three hour layover in DC with a connection leaving at 9:55 am. Arrive in Charleston, SC at 7:15 pm. Total travel time: 22 hours. Cost: $289.00 I can fly there in 2.5 hours for less than that. I can drive it in about 15-16 hours and not need to rent a car when I got there. A high-speed train would have to be non-stop and average almost 400 mph to be competitive with the airlines, time-wise. We can't do it because we can't do it because we can't do it. I get it. We can't do anything anymore, and that's another example of why conservatism is killing America, because we can't have nice trains, we can't keep our interstates in good shape, we can't repair our bridges, whatever, we can't do it because...we can't do it. When we take the train to Jax, it usually works out to be a 13 hour train trip. We leave in the evening and arrive the next morining, after a good night's sleep aboard the train. No long waits to clear security at the origin, no long wait for luggage at the termination. Compartment includes private toilet, two bunk beds and two pretty decent meals. Takes about the same time as driving, if I felt like driving without an overnight stop, which I don't like doing. Would take much less time if trackage and equipment were a lot better, but the trackage south of DC is mostly CSX, and it doesn't give a **** about high speed passenger rail. No worries about all the crap that accompanies airline travel. About $700 round trip for two adults. Much more comfy than even first class on a plane. Takes longer, sure, but it's overnight and you have to sleep. Oh, and two first class airline tickets would be about $1000. But we can't improve passenger rail transportation because this is America and we can't things like that anymore. I get it. --------------------------------- Part of the cost of your travel to Jax is subsidized by taxpayers although Amtrak has done better this year, requiring only $1.3 billion in federal subsidizes compared to $1.4 billion in 2012. Sure, anything is possible if you throw enough money at it but the demand needs to warrant the investment. You're travel preferences represents those of a small percentage of the population. Why is it that liberals think there's simply no limit to what taxpayers should be willing to spend to benefit a few? |
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On Monday, 2 September 2013 22:41:57 UTC-3, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 9/2/13 8:46 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: "BAR" wrote in message . .. I just went to the WAMATA.com web site and plugged in my home address and my work address to see what it would take to get from home to work. It will take 1 hour and 7 minutes and I get to ride a bus to the Metro station, take a train a couple of stops and then take another bus ride. It would take me 1 hour and 7 minutes and cost me $3.20. If I drive it takes 25 minutes and about 1/4 of a gallon of gas. Even figuring in insurance and maintenance I would pay about $2 at the most and I would get to work in less than 1/2 the time. ----------------------------- Just for kicks, I went to the Amtrak website and priced the *cheapest* one-way fare from Boston to Charleston, SC. Train would leave Boston at 9:30 pm and arrive in Wash DC at about 7 am the next morning. Then a three hour layover in DC with a connection leaving at 9:55 am. Arrive in Charleston, SC at 7:15 pm. Total travel time: 22 hours. Cost: $289.00 I can fly there in 2.5 hours for less than that. I can drive it in about 15-16 hours and not need to rent a car when I got there. A high-speed train would have to be non-stop and average almost 400 mph to be competitive with the airlines, time-wise. We can't do it because we can't do it because we can't do it. I get it. We can't do anything anymore, and that's another example of why conservatism is killing America, because we can't have nice trains, we can't keep our interstates in good shape, we can't repair our bridges, whatever, we can't do it because...we can't do it. When we take the train to Jax, it usually works out to be a 13 hour train trip. We leave in the evening and arrive the next morining, after a good night's sleep aboard the train. No long waits to clear security at the origin, no long wait for luggage at the termination. Compartment includes private toilet, two bunk beds and two pretty decent meals. Takes about the same time as driving, if I felt like driving without an overnight stop, which I don't like doing. Would take much less time if trackage and equipment were a lot better, but the trackage south of DC is mostly CSX, and it doesn't give a **** about high speed passenger rail. No worries about all the crap that accompanies airline travel. About $700 round trip for two adults. Much more comfy than even first class on a plane. Takes longer, sure, but it's overnight and you have to sleep. Oh, and two first class airline tickets would be about $1000. But we can't improve passenger rail transportation because this is America and we can't things like that anymore. I get it. Lot of similar concerns up here. VIA Rail just cut our service to Montreal from 6 trips a week to 3. Years ago we had two trains leaving and arriving daily. I'm thinking of booking train travel to Toronto just for the adventure.. and we are eligible for seniors discounts because we are 60 years & over. Only trouble is.. the private compartments are a bit expensive. There are also 'sleeper cars.. I find it hard to get much more than a nap sitting in a reclined chair. |
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says... On 9/2/2013 1:31 PM, wrote: On Mon, 2 Sep 2013 12:34:21 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Mon, 02 Sep 2013 09:38:55 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: Japan Railway Comp Once you get away from the Boston - DC corridor, there are not many places where people would ride a train. Even there, if you are not spending your visit in the city center, you need a car. We are not Japan nor Europe. The only place with a similar population density is the NE megopolis and they have a train Yes we do, and we had two stops right within five miles of my home in Essex... In all my years down there I knew two folks who used the train, I know because I had to meet them at the station and drive them to where they were actually going... ... with my car.... One of the stations is in downtown Saybrook though so I saw it a lot... it was always empty... There certainly is if there was a viable one to ride. There are plenty of trains in the US and they go off virtually empty. That is why Amtrak is always on the public dole. There are some routes that make sense and they succeed. Acela is one. That does not translate well in most places. Here in Florida they wanted to build a high speed train between Tampa and Orlando. They problem is, they would really need to have a lot of stops near both ends to make it attractive ... as a commuter train. That is not conducive to "high speed". You end up with the same problem I brought up before. You need a car to get around Tampa and Orlando. Tourists are unlikely to travel in between by train anyway. If they have a rental car, you are only talking about a 1 - 1.5 hour drive. They would be at the other end, checked into their hotel before you got through the train station on both ends, if they "beamed" you to Tampa. Only two people rode the train, eh? |
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says... On 9/2/2013 8:07 PM, BAR wrote: In article , says... On Mon, 2 Sep 2013 13:49:37 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: Here in Florida they wanted to build a high speed train between Tampa and Orlando. They problem is, they would really need to have a lot of stops near both ends to make it attractive ... as a commuter train. That is not conducive to "high speed". You end up with the same problem I brought up before. You need a car to get around Tampa and Orlando. Tourists are unlikely to travel in between by train anyway. If they have a rental car, you are only talking about a 1 - 1.5 hour drive. They would be at the other end, checked into their hotel before you got through the train station on both ends, if they "beamed" you to Tampa. I agree wholeheartedly, our infrastructure sucks. Trouble is it sucks because people like you are afraid of change and innovation. A train offers absolutely NOTHING to "people" like me. That is the problem. I am not sure where I would take a train to I just went to the WAMATA.com web site and plugged in my home address and my work address to see what it would take to get from home to work. It will take 1 hour and 7 minutes and I get to ride a bus to the Metro station, take a train a couple of stops and then take another bus ride. It would take me 1 hour and 7 minutes and cost me $3.20. If I drive it takes 25 minutes and about 1/4 of a gallon of gas. Even figuring in insurance and maintenance I would pay about $2 at the most and I would get to work in less than 1/2 the time. And how would you get to work if you had anything to carry for work, or deliver anything for work... Trains are only good for paperpushers and vacationers anyway... Yeah, just take a look at Europe... Oh, wait, high speed trains are successful there, never mind. |
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On 9/3/13 7:34 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says... On 9/2/2013 1:05 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 02 Sep 2013 11:48:18 -0400, wrote: In this country, we for the most part gave up on rail public transportation development after WW II. We discovered air travel. === And the interstate highway system, along with comfortable, air conditioned cars. And the fact that most of us couldn't conduct our everyday lives on public transport.... It's not like you have a career or anything, so what difference would it make to you? Well, he could roll that winning team's motorbike onto a city bus or trolly. |
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says... On 9/2/2013 7:03 PM, wrote: On Mon, 2 Sep 2013 13:49:37 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: Here in Florida they wanted to build a high speed train between Tampa and Orlando. They problem is, they would really need to have a lot of stops near both ends to make it attractive ... as a commuter train. That is not conducive to "high speed". You end up with the same problem I brought up before. You need a car to get around Tampa and Orlando. Tourists are unlikely to travel in between by train anyway. If they have a rental car, you are only talking about a 1 - 1.5 hour drive. They would be at the other end, checked into their hotel before you got through the train station on both ends, if they "beamed" you to Tampa. I agree wholeheartedly, our infrastructure sucks. Trouble is it sucks because people like you are afraid of change and innovation. A train offers absolutely NOTHING to "people" like me. That is the problem. I am not sure where I would take a train to Same here, I hate cities.... You are unemployed and have no reason to go to one. So you think that everyone should be unemployed so that they don't have to go to a city to work? |
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On 9/3/13 7:39 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says... "F.O.A.D." wrote in message ... On 9/2/13 8:46 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: "BAR" wrote in message . .. I just went to the WAMATA.com web site and plugged in my home address and my work address to see what it would take to get from home to work. It will take 1 hour and 7 minutes and I get to ride a bus to the Metro station, take a train a couple of stops and then take another bus ride. It would take me 1 hour and 7 minutes and cost me $3.20. If I drive it takes 25 minutes and about 1/4 of a gallon of gas. Even figuring in insurance and maintenance I would pay about $2 at the most and I would get to work in less than 1/2 the time. ----------------------------- Just for kicks, I went to the Amtrak website and priced the *cheapest* one-way fare from Boston to Charleston, SC. Train would leave Boston at 9:30 pm and arrive in Wash DC at about 7 am the next morning. Then a three hour layover in DC with a connection leaving at 9:55 am. Arrive in Charleston, SC at 7:15 pm. Total travel time: 22 hours. Cost: $289.00 I can fly there in 2.5 hours for less than that. I can drive it in about 15-16 hours and not need to rent a car when I got there. A high-speed train would have to be non-stop and average almost 400 mph to be competitive with the airlines, time-wise. We can't do it because we can't do it because we can't do it. I get it. We can't do anything anymore, and that's another example of why conservatism is killing America, because we can't have nice trains, we can't keep our interstates in good shape, we can't repair our bridges, whatever, we can't do it because...we can't do it. When we take the train to Jax, it usually works out to be a 13 hour train trip. We leave in the evening and arrive the next morining, after a good night's sleep aboard the train. No long waits to clear security at the origin, no long wait for luggage at the termination. Compartment includes private toilet, two bunk beds and two pretty decent meals. Takes about the same time as driving, if I felt like driving without an overnight stop, which I don't like doing. Would take much less time if trackage and equipment were a lot better, but the trackage south of DC is mostly CSX, and it doesn't give a **** about high speed passenger rail. No worries about all the crap that accompanies airline travel. About $700 round trip for two adults. Much more comfy than even first class on a plane. Takes longer, sure, but it's overnight and you have to sleep. Oh, and two first class airline tickets would be about $1000. But we can't improve passenger rail transportation because this is America and we can't things like that anymore. I get it. --------------------------------- Part of the cost of your travel to Jax is subsidized by taxpayers although Amtrak has done better this year, requiring only $1.3 billion in federal subsidizes compared to $1.4 billion in 2012. Air travel is subsidized as well. Sure, anything is possible if you throw enough money at it but the demand needs to warrant the investment. Just look at air travel as an example. Why is it that liberals think there's simply no limit to what taxpayers should be willing to spend to benefit a few? Are only "liberals" willing to subsidize air travel? Uh, highway travel is "subsidized," too. And when you ride your bicycle on city streets, the cost of those streets, why it is subsidized, too. Specious argument. I posit that train travel of all sorts would be more popular if there were more of it, if it were faster, and if the equipment were better. And, as far as subsidies go, it is amazing what this country could accomplish in rebuilding itself if the military budget were cut in half and half of what is cut were dedicated to infrastructure improvement. |
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On 9/3/13 12:20 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 2 Sep 2013 20:07:46 -0400, BAR wrote: In article , says... A train offers absolutely NOTHING to "people" like me. That is the problem. I am not sure where I would take a train to I just went to the WAMATA.com web site and plugged in my home address and my work address to see what it would take to get from home to work. It will take 1 hour and 7 minutes and I get to ride a bus to the Metro station, take a train a couple of stops and then take another bus ride. It would take me 1 hour and 7 minutes and cost me $3.20. If I drive it takes 25 minutes and about 1/4 of a gallon of gas. Even figuring in insurance and maintenance I would pay about $2 at the most and I would get to work in less than 1/2 the time. My day to day travel is about a tank of gas a month and 90% of it could be in my golf cart if they would let me use it on the FPL R.O.W. plus about 100 yards through a scrub park. So, the world of public transportation should revolve around a retiree's needs in Dumfoch, Florida? |
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On 9/3/2013 12:33 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 02 Sep 2013 21:05:10 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 02 Sep 2013 18:16:12 -0400, wrote: The problem is a lot of those right of ways have been ceded over to the power companies for power lines and the Internet. That is where a good chunk of the national fiber backbone is installed. Nobody wants you digging roadbeds around that. The existing ROW is being used for freight. They don't want that on HS rail. === Don't forget about the interstate highway system, especially the air rights over the medians, or the air rights over the freight lines. You still run into that "last 20 (or 40) mile" problem in each city you get close to. They may not have a suitable interstate going into the city and that real estate tends to be curb to curb traffic lane. Elevating a high speed train? That is just funny. Cost, additional danger in a derailment, more noise. I do like your sense of humor tho. All it would take is a train popping off a track and taking out a whole row of bumper to bumper commuters in cars on that interstate below to sink rail in this country for years. I wonder why the monorail concept never took off? |
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On 9/3/2013 7:50 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 9/3/13 7:39 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... "F.O.A.D." wrote in message ... On 9/2/13 8:46 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: "BAR" wrote in message . .. I just went to the WAMATA.com web site and plugged in my home address and my work address to see what it would take to get from home to work. It will take 1 hour and 7 minutes and I get to ride a bus to the Metro station, take a train a couple of stops and then take another bus ride. It would take me 1 hour and 7 minutes and cost me $3.20. If I drive it takes 25 minutes and about 1/4 of a gallon of gas. Even figuring in insurance and maintenance I would pay about $2 at the most and I would get to work in less than 1/2 the time. ----------------------------- Just for kicks, I went to the Amtrak website and priced the *cheapest* one-way fare from Boston to Charleston, SC. Train would leave Boston at 9:30 pm and arrive in Wash DC at about 7 am the next morning. Then a three hour layover in DC with a connection leaving at 9:55 am. Arrive in Charleston, SC at 7:15 pm. Total travel time: 22 hours. Cost: $289.00 I can fly there in 2.5 hours for less than that. I can drive it in about 15-16 hours and not need to rent a car when I got there. A high-speed train would have to be non-stop and average almost 400 mph to be competitive with the airlines, time-wise. We can't do it because we can't do it because we can't do it. I get it. We can't do anything anymore, and that's another example of why conservatism is killing America, because we can't have nice trains, we can't keep our interstates in good shape, we can't repair our bridges, whatever, we can't do it because...we can't do it. When we take the train to Jax, it usually works out to be a 13 hour train trip. We leave in the evening and arrive the next morining, after a good night's sleep aboard the train. No long waits to clear security at the origin, no long wait for luggage at the termination. Compartment includes private toilet, two bunk beds and two pretty decent meals. Takes about the same time as driving, if I felt like driving without an overnight stop, which I don't like doing. Would take much less time if trackage and equipment were a lot better, but the trackage south of DC is mostly CSX, and it doesn't give a **** about high speed passenger rail. No worries about all the crap that accompanies airline travel. About $700 round trip for two adults. Much more comfy than even first class on a plane. Takes longer, sure, but it's overnight and you have to sleep. Oh, and two first class airline tickets would be about $1000. But we can't improve passenger rail transportation because this is America and we can't things like that anymore. I get it. --------------------------------- Part of the cost of your travel to Jax is subsidized by taxpayers although Amtrak has done better this year, requiring only $1.3 billion in federal subsidizes compared to $1.4 billion in 2012. Air travel is subsidized as well. Sure, anything is possible if you throw enough money at it but the demand needs to warrant the investment. Just look at air travel as an example. Why is it that liberals think there's simply no limit to what taxpayers should be willing to spend to benefit a few? Are only "liberals" willing to subsidize air travel? Uh, highway travel is "subsidized," too. And when you ride your bicycle on city streets, the cost of those streets, why it is subsidized, too. Specious argument. I posit that train travel of all sorts would be more popular if there were more of it, if it were faster, and if the equipment were better. And, as far as subsidies go, it is amazing what this country could accomplish in rebuilding itself if the military budget were cut in half and half of what is cut were dedicated to infrastructure improvement. You are a joke. Pay your taxes. Then you can talk about spending tax dollars. DEADBEAT! |
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On 9/3/2013 7:52 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 9/3/13 12:20 AM, wrote: On Mon, 2 Sep 2013 20:07:46 -0400, BAR wrote: In article , says... A train offers absolutely NOTHING to "people" like me. That is the problem. I am not sure where I would take a train to I just went to the WAMATA.com web site and plugged in my home address and my work address to see what it would take to get from home to work. It will take 1 hour and 7 minutes and I get to ride a bus to the Metro station, take a train a couple of stops and then take another bus ride. It would take me 1 hour and 7 minutes and cost me $3.20. If I drive it takes 25 minutes and about 1/4 of a gallon of gas. Even figuring in insurance and maintenance I would pay about $2 at the most and I would get to work in less than 1/2 the time. My day to day travel is about a tank of gas a month and 90% of it could be in my golf cart if they would let me use it on the FPL R.O.W. plus about 100 yards through a scrub park. So, the world of public transportation should revolve around a retiree's needs in Dumfoch, Florida? The world of public transportation should revolve around the needs of taxpayers and those who can't afford private conveyance. Since you don't fit either category, why don't you just shut the **** up? |
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On 9/3/2013 6:18 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 03 Sep 2013 00:20:57 -0400, wrote: My day to day travel is about a tank of gas a month and 90% of it could be in my golf cart if they would let me use it on the FPL R.O.W. === You bring up an interesting question there. I've been tempted to go "off road" a few times under some of the power lines around here (LCEC I assume). Is it illegal and/or enforced? If you were a kid on a dirt bike, they might give you a ticket and even try to confiscate your bike... Someone like you on a moped, they might write you up for trespass, but I doubt it.... Unless things are a lot different down there... |
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On 9/3/2013 7:51 AM, Hank© wrote:
On 9/2/2013 11:24 PM, wrote: On Mon, 02 Sep 2013 14:42:08 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: I'll betcha if a national poll was taken the majority of people would prefer spending money on fixing roads and airports in lieu of building a rail system network and trains capable of travelling 200+ mph. The power grid isn't as big of a problem as you may think. Demand has basically flat lined in the past several years and has actually dropped in some. Smart grids and energy efficient devices have helped. Not to worry. Nothing much is happening in refurbishing roads, bridges, dams, infrastructure. That must be a North East problem. Florida maintains it's roads .. BTW who was talking about dams? The environmentalists want all of them blown up anyway Roads don't freeze in Florida. Northerners haven't figured out how to build roads to survive the harsh winters they experience. The "infrastructure" is not crumbling... I drive all over the place with a trailer. The roads are fine... the bridges are fine.... |
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On 9/3/2013 7:56 AM, Hank© wrote:
On 9/3/2013 12:33 AM, wrote: On Mon, 02 Sep 2013 21:05:10 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 02 Sep 2013 18:16:12 -0400, wrote: The problem is a lot of those right of ways have been ceded over to the power companies for power lines and the Internet. That is where a good chunk of the national fiber backbone is installed. Nobody wants you digging roadbeds around that. The existing ROW is being used for freight. They don't want that on HS rail. === Don't forget about the interstate highway system, especially the air rights over the medians, or the air rights over the freight lines. You still run into that "last 20 (or 40) mile" problem in each city you get close to. They may not have a suitable interstate going into the city and that real estate tends to be curb to curb traffic lane. Elevating a high speed train? That is just funny. Cost, additional danger in a derailment, more noise. I do like your sense of humor tho. All it would take is a train popping off a track and taking out a whole row of bumper to bumper commuters in cars on that interstate below to sink rail in this country for years. I wonder why the monorail concept never took off? Because, Americans can't live with set tracks for routes... |
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On Tue, 03 Sep 2013 08:57:34 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute
wrote: Roads don't freeze in Florida. Northerners haven't figured out how to build roads to survive the harsh winters they experience. The "infrastructure" is not crumbling... I drive all over the place with a trailer. The roads are fine... the bridges are fine.... === I agree for the most part. We just got back from a road trip to the north east and there were no issues in the NY/NJ/CT area other than the usual heavy traffic. Some of the overpasses on the New York State Thruway show some signs of rust and corrosion however. There's no excuse for that since it is a highly profitable toll road but NY has a good track record for fixing things like that. Parts of I-81 through Virginia could use some road work and widening. The truck traffic on the long two lane stretches is slow but part of that is the fault of the truckers who insist on racing each other uphill at 45 mph. |
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On 9/3/2013 6:18 AM, Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 03 Sep 2013 00:20:57 -0400, wrote: My day to day travel is about a tank of gas a month and 90% of it could be in my golf cart if they would let me use it on the FPL R.O.W. === You bring up an interesting question there. I've been tempted to go "off road" a few times under some of the power lines around here (LCEC I assume). Is it illegal and/or enforced? ---------------------------------- I don't know about Florida. In MA, is used to be fun riding under the powerlines on dirt bikes and sometimes 4 wheel drives and authorities looked the other way. That all ended many years ago. Now it's trespassing and enforced if they can catch you. Heck, the conservationist routinely shut down the beach in our town due to "piping plovers" .... some kind of protected bird species. |
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On Tue, 03 Sep 2013 08:54:31 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute
wrote: On 9/3/2013 6:18 AM, Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 03 Sep 2013 00:20:57 -0400, wrote: My day to day travel is about a tank of gas a month and 90% of it could be in my golf cart if they would let me use it on the FPL R.O.W. === You bring up an interesting question there. I've been tempted to go "off road" a few times under some of the power lines around here (LCEC I assume). Is it illegal and/or enforced? If you were a kid on a dirt bike, they might give you a ticket and even try to confiscate your bike... Someone like you on a moped, they might write you up for trespass, but I doubt it.... Unless things are a lot different down there... === I was thinking more in terms of my 4wd truck. :-) |
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On 9/3/2013 8:57 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 9/3/2013 7:51 AM, Hank© wrote: On 9/2/2013 11:24 PM, wrote: On Mon, 02 Sep 2013 14:42:08 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: I'll betcha if a national poll was taken the majority of people would prefer spending money on fixing roads and airports in lieu of building a rail system network and trains capable of travelling 200+ mph. The power grid isn't as big of a problem as you may think. Demand has basically flat lined in the past several years and has actually dropped in some. Smart grids and energy efficient devices have helped. Not to worry. Nothing much is happening in refurbishing roads, bridges, dams, infrastructure. That must be a North East problem. Florida maintains it's roads .. BTW who was talking about dams? The environmentalists want all of them blown up anyway Roads don't freeze in Florida. Northerners haven't figured out how to build roads to survive the harsh winters they experience. The "infrastructure" is not crumbling... I drive all over the place with a trailer. The roads are fine... the bridges are fine.... YOU SOUND LIKE BARNEY FRANK. (I just had to shout that out. ;-) ) |
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On 9/3/13 8:57 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 9/3/2013 7:51 AM, Hank© wrote: On 9/2/2013 11:24 PM, wrote: On Mon, 02 Sep 2013 14:42:08 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: I'll betcha if a national poll was taken the majority of people would prefer spending money on fixing roads and airports in lieu of building a rail system network and trains capable of travelling 200+ mph. The power grid isn't as big of a problem as you may think. Demand has basically flat lined in the past several years and has actually dropped in some. Smart grids and energy efficient devices have helped. Not to worry. Nothing much is happening in refurbishing roads, bridges, dams, infrastructure. That must be a North East problem. Florida maintains it's roads .. BTW who was talking about dams? The environmentalists want all of them blown up anyway Roads don't freeze in Florida. Northerners haven't figured out how to build roads to survive the harsh winters they experience. The "infrastructure" is not crumbling... I drive all over the place with a trailer. The roads are fine... the bridges are fine.... Your ignorance is no substitute for reality, little man. |
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On 9/3/2013 8:58 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 9/3/2013 7:56 AM, Hank© wrote: On 9/3/2013 12:33 AM, wrote: On Mon, 02 Sep 2013 21:05:10 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 02 Sep 2013 18:16:12 -0400, wrote: The problem is a lot of those right of ways have been ceded over to the power companies for power lines and the Internet. That is where a good chunk of the national fiber backbone is installed. Nobody wants you digging roadbeds around that. The existing ROW is being used for freight. They don't want that on HS rail. === Don't forget about the interstate highway system, especially the air rights over the medians, or the air rights over the freight lines. You still run into that "last 20 (or 40) mile" problem in each city you get close to. They may not have a suitable interstate going into the city and that real estate tends to be curb to curb traffic lane. Elevating a high speed train? That is just funny. Cost, additional danger in a derailment, more noise. I do like your sense of humor tho. All it would take is a train popping off a track and taking out a whole row of bumper to bumper commuters in cars on that interstate below to sink rail in this country for years. I wonder why the monorail concept never took off? Because, Americans can't live with set tracks for routes... I'm waiting for Loogies answer. I already know what it will be. ;-) |
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On 9/3/2013 9:12 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 03 Sep 2013 08:54:31 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 9/3/2013 6:18 AM, Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 03 Sep 2013 00:20:57 -0400, wrote: My day to day travel is about a tank of gas a month and 90% of it could be in my golf cart if they would let me use it on the FPL R.O.W. === You bring up an interesting question there. I've been tempted to go "off road" a few times under some of the power lines around here (LCEC I assume). Is it illegal and/or enforced? If you were a kid on a dirt bike, they might give you a ticket and even try to confiscate your bike... Someone like you on a moped, they might write you up for trespass, but I doubt it.... Unless things are a lot different down there... === I was thinking more in terms of my 4wd truck. :-) In my opinion, that would be looking for trouble... Maybe even more than some kid who doesn't know any better. If you are gonna' get a Jeep, head for the State Parks or some buds property somewhere... |
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On 9/3/2013 9:14 AM, Hank© wrote:
On 9/3/2013 8:57 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 9/3/2013 7:51 AM, Hank© wrote: On 9/2/2013 11:24 PM, wrote: On Mon, 02 Sep 2013 14:42:08 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: I'll betcha if a national poll was taken the majority of people would prefer spending money on fixing roads and airports in lieu of building a rail system network and trains capable of travelling 200+ mph. The power grid isn't as big of a problem as you may think. Demand has basically flat lined in the past several years and has actually dropped in some. Smart grids and energy efficient devices have helped. Not to worry. Nothing much is happening in refurbishing roads, bridges, dams, infrastructure. That must be a North East problem. Florida maintains it's roads .. BTW who was talking about dams? The environmentalists want all of them blown up anyway Roads don't freeze in Florida. Northerners haven't figured out how to build roads to survive the harsh winters they experience. The "infrastructure" is not crumbling... I drive all over the place with a trailer. The roads are fine... the bridges are fine.... YOU SOUND LIKE BARNEY FRANK. (I just had to shout that out. ;-) ) You look like Barney Frank.... |
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On 9/3/2013 9:16 AM, Hank© wrote:
On 9/3/2013 8:58 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 9/3/2013 7:56 AM, Hank© wrote: On 9/3/2013 12:33 AM, wrote: On Mon, 02 Sep 2013 21:05:10 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 02 Sep 2013 18:16:12 -0400, wrote: The problem is a lot of those right of ways have been ceded over to the power companies for power lines and the Internet. That is where a good chunk of the national fiber backbone is installed. Nobody wants you digging roadbeds around that. The existing ROW is being used for freight. They don't want that on HS rail. === Don't forget about the interstate highway system, especially the air rights over the medians, or the air rights over the freight lines. You still run into that "last 20 (or 40) mile" problem in each city you get close to. They may not have a suitable interstate going into the city and that real estate tends to be curb to curb traffic lane. Elevating a high speed train? That is just funny. Cost, additional danger in a derailment, more noise. I do like your sense of humor tho. All it would take is a train popping off a track and taking out a whole row of bumper to bumper commuters in cars on that interstate below to sink rail in this country for years. I wonder why the monorail concept never took off? Because, Americans can't live with set tracks for routes... I'm waiting for Loogies answer. I already know what it will be. ;-) You read his stuff? |
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On 9/3/2013 9:10 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 03 Sep 2013 08:57:34 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: Roads don't freeze in Florida. Northerners haven't figured out how to build roads to survive the harsh winters they experience. The "infrastructure" is not crumbling... I drive all over the place with a trailer. The roads are fine... the bridges are fine.... === I agree for the most part. We just got back from a road trip to the north east and there were no issues in the NY/NJ/CT area other than the usual heavy traffic. Some of the overpasses on the New York State Thruway show some signs of rust and corrosion however. There's no excuse for that since it is a highly profitable toll road but NY has a good track record for fixing things like that. Parts of I-81 through Virginia could use some road work and widening. The truck traffic on the long two lane stretches is slow but part of that is the fault of the truckers who insist on racing each other uphill at 45 mph. Thanks for the road conditions report. You didn't go far enough up into NY to see the serious infrastructure rust and decay. Some parts of NY seem to be stuck in the 50s/60s, but that doesn't stop them from collecting serious tolls, rivaling Illinois. |
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On 9/3/2013 9:22 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 9/3/2013 9:16 AM, Hank© wrote: On 9/3/2013 8:58 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 9/3/2013 7:56 AM, Hank© wrote: On 9/3/2013 12:33 AM, wrote: On Mon, 02 Sep 2013 21:05:10 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 02 Sep 2013 18:16:12 -0400, wrote: The problem is a lot of those right of ways have been ceded over to the power companies for power lines and the Internet. That is where a good chunk of the national fiber backbone is installed. Nobody wants you digging roadbeds around that. The existing ROW is being used for freight. They don't want that on HS rail. === Don't forget about the interstate highway system, especially the air rights over the medians, or the air rights over the freight lines. You still run into that "last 20 (or 40) mile" problem in each city you get close to. They may not have a suitable interstate going into the city and that real estate tends to be curb to curb traffic lane. Elevating a high speed train? That is just funny. Cost, additional danger in a derailment, more noise. I do like your sense of humor tho. All it would take is a train popping off a track and taking out a whole row of bumper to bumper commuters in cars on that interstate below to sink rail in this country for years. I wonder why the monorail concept never took off? Because, Americans can't live with set tracks for routes... I'm waiting for Loogies answer. I already know what it will be. ;-) You read his stuff? Indirectly. Harry and others love to chat with him. |
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On 9/3/2013 9:21 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 9/3/2013 9:14 AM, Hank© wrote: On 9/3/2013 8:57 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 9/3/2013 7:51 AM, Hank© wrote: On 9/2/2013 11:24 PM, wrote: On Mon, 02 Sep 2013 14:42:08 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: I'll betcha if a national poll was taken the majority of people would prefer spending money on fixing roads and airports in lieu of building a rail system network and trains capable of travelling 200+ mph. The power grid isn't as big of a problem as you may think. Demand has basically flat lined in the past several years and has actually dropped in some. Smart grids and energy efficient devices have helped. Not to worry. Nothing much is happening in refurbishing roads, bridges, dams, infrastructure. That must be a North East problem. Florida maintains it's roads .. BTW who was talking about dams? The environmentalists want all of them blown up anyway Roads don't freeze in Florida. Northerners haven't figured out how to build roads to survive the harsh winters they experience. The "infrastructure" is not crumbling... I drive all over the place with a trailer. The roads are fine... the bridges are fine.... YOU SOUND LIKE BARNEY FRANK. (I just had to shout that out. ;-) ) You look like Barney Frank.... Now that was just plain nasty. |
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On 9/3/13 8:54 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 9/3/2013 6:18 AM, Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 03 Sep 2013 00:20:57 -0400, wrote: My day to day travel is about a tank of gas a month and 90% of it could be in my golf cart if they would let me use it on the FPL R.O.W. === You bring up an interesting question there. I've been tempted to go "off road" a few times under some of the power lines around here (LCEC I assume). Is it illegal and/or enforced? If you were a kid on a dirt bike, they might give you a ticket and even try to confiscate your bike... Someone like you on a moped, they might write you up for trespass, but I doubt it.... Unless things are a lot different down there... Why discourage W'hine from partaking of dangerous activities? Perhaps he'll hit a high voltage power apparatus. |
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says... On 9/2/2013 11:24 PM, wrote: On Mon, 02 Sep 2013 14:42:08 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: I'll betcha if a national poll was taken the majority of people would prefer spending money on fixing roads and airports in lieu of building a rail system network and trains capable of travelling 200+ mph. The power grid isn't as big of a problem as you may think. Demand has basically flat lined in the past several years and has actually dropped in some. Smart grids and energy efficient devices have helped. Not to worry. Nothing much is happening in refurbishing roads, bridges, dams, infrastructure. That must be a North East problem. Florida maintains it's roads .. BTW who was talking about dams? The environmentalists want all of them blown up anyway Roads don't freeze in Florida. Northerners haven't figured out how to build roads to survive the harsh winters they experience. Sure they have. |
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says... On 9/3/2013 7:51 AM, Hank© wrote: On 9/2/2013 11:24 PM, wrote: On Mon, 02 Sep 2013 14:42:08 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: I'll betcha if a national poll was taken the majority of people would prefer spending money on fixing roads and airports in lieu of building a rail system network and trains capable of travelling 200+ mph. The power grid isn't as big of a problem as you may think. Demand has basically flat lined in the past several years and has actually dropped in some. Smart grids and energy efficient devices have helped. Not to worry. Nothing much is happening in refurbishing roads, bridges, dams, infrastructure. That must be a North East problem. Florida maintains it's roads .. BTW who was talking about dams? The environmentalists want all of them blown up anyway Roads don't freeze in Florida. Northerners haven't figured out how to build roads to survive the harsh winters they experience. The "infrastructure" is not crumbling... I drive all over the place with a trailer. The roads are fine... the bridges are fine.... Please do tell us, then, about the structural state of bridges that were never designed for the loads and frequency of travel that they now get. Of course, you'd much rather make your own idiotic conclusions than get real data..... http://t4america.org/resources/bridges/ And here's a GREAT site to ponder: http://www.infrastructurereportcard....rade-sheet/gpa Aviaton that Greg says is just great! http://www.infrastructurereportcard....ation/overview |
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