On Thu, 29 Aug 2013 15:21:27 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:

On 8/29/2013 2:04 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:


"John H" wrote in message
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Well....their pickup diesel engines left something to be desired in
terms of reputation. Otherwise
I'd be driving a Ford diesel.

John (Gun Nut) H.

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The old Powerstroke 7.2L was a reliable workhorse based on reports of
people that had them. The bad rap Ford diesels received was the 6.0L
replacement, and I can vouch for that. It was introduced under pressure
from Ford marketing before it was fully tested and developed.

The replacement for it ... the current 6.4L has a much better track
record and reputation.

I like diesel powered vehicles, particularly pickup trucks. I would
have purchased another one back in 2008 except they had just introduced
the mandated catalytic converter "burn off" systems. Sounded a little
*too* crazy and new for me, so I went for a gas powered F250 instead.
It serves my purposes and is now almost 6 model years old but has under
19,000 miles on it.

On the same note, I was reading the other day that diesel power may
soon become the engine of choice for a wide range of both passenger
vehicles as well as trucks. The new ones are clean, very fuel efficient
and make more practical sense than any of the electric hybrids currently
available.

One thing I'd like to see:

A diesel engine was never really designed to run over a wide range of
RPMs. It was designed to run at a fixed, optimum RPM where it develops
the most torque for the fuel it consumes. Diesel powered trains run
at a constant RPM and the power generated is converted to electricity to
run electric drive motors. I'd really be interested in how applying
that concept in cars or trucks, using the newer, high efficiency diesels
and electric motors available today.





I have often said the same thing... Wonder how a diesel powered,
electric car would do...

It would probably happen under this administration if they could figure a way to make a diesel
engine that would run with a 50% ethanol mixture.

John (Gun Nut) H.
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Hope you're having a great day!

On Thu, 29 Aug 2013 14:04:32 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On the same note, I was reading the other day that diesel power may
soon become the engine of choice for a wide range of both passenger
vehicles as well as trucks. The new ones are clean, very fuel
efficient and make more practical sense than any of the electric
hybrids currently available.

===

In Europe where fuel is more than twice as expensive as it is here, a
high percentage of the passenger vehicles are diesel power. They are
not performance slugs either like the old Volkswagon and Mercedes
models.

On 8/29/13 5:50 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 29 Aug 2013 14:04:32 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On the same note, I was reading the other day that diesel power may
soon become the engine of choice for a wide range of both passenger
vehicles as well as trucks. The new ones are clean, very fuel
efficient and make more practical sense than any of the electric
hybrids currently available.

===

In Europe where fuel is more than twice as expensive as it is here, a
high percentage of the passenger vehicles are diesel power. They are
not performance slugs either like the old Volkswagon and Mercedes
models.



Cummins has announced it will be building a 5.0 liter diesel to be used
in Nissan pickup trucks.

http://cumminsengines.com/cummins-5L-V8-turbo-diesel

On Thu, 29 Aug 2013 19:06:55 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 29 Aug 2013 17:11:42 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Thu, 29 Aug 2013 15:21:27 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:

On 8/29/2013 2:04 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

I have often said the same thing... Wonder how a diesel powered,
electric car would do...

It would probably happen under this administration if they could figure a way to make a diesel
engine that would run with a 50% ethanol mixture.

John (Gun Nut) H.

Bio diesel is the sweetheart of the moment. There are so many people
around here burning cooking oil that used oil has gone from something
they had to pay to haul away to another profit center. (usually pure
cash for the chef or restaurant manager)

At my wife's place they trade it for free electrical work. Their
electrician runs his trucks on cooking oil.

My owner's manual specifically prohibits it. But I hear it's pretty damn cheap!

John (Gun Nut) H.
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Hope you're having a great day!

On Thu, 29 Aug 2013 17:50:58 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:

On Thu, 29 Aug 2013 14:04:32 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On the same note, I was reading the other day that diesel power may
soon become the engine of choice for a wide range of both passenger
vehicles as well as trucks. The new ones are clean, very fuel
efficient and make more practical sense than any of the electric
hybrids currently available.

===

In Europe where fuel is more than twice as expensive as it is here, a
high percentage of the passenger vehicles are diesel power. They are
not performance slugs either like the old Volkswagon and Mercedes
models.

Hey, this turbo-charged 1.4L diesel in my wife's VW is a sporty little bugger. I probably couldn't
outrun a Mustang GT, but it'd have to be filled up a lot more often then the VW. It has no problems
merging on the interstate.

John (Gun Nut) H.
--

Hope you're having a great day!

In article , says...

On 8/29/13 5:50 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 29 Aug 2013 14:04:32 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On the same note, I was reading the other day that diesel power may
soon become the engine of choice for a wide range of both passenger
vehicles as well as trucks. The new ones are clean, very fuel
efficient and make more practical sense than any of the electric
hybrids currently available.

===

In Europe where fuel is more than twice as expensive as it is here, a
high percentage of the passenger vehicles are diesel power. They are
not performance slugs either like the old Volkswagon and Mercedes
models.



Cummins has announced it will be building a 5.0 liter diesel to be used
in Nissan pickup trucks.

http://cumminsengines.com/cummins-5L-V8-turbo-diesel

Most European cars are running sub 2 liter diesel motors.

On 8/29/13 7:06 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 29 Aug 2013 17:11:42 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Thu, 29 Aug 2013 15:21:27 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:

On 8/29/2013 2:04 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

I have often said the same thing... Wonder how a diesel powered,
electric car would do...

It would probably happen under this administration if they could figure a way to make a diesel
engine that would run with a 50% ethanol mixture.

John (Gun Nut) H.

Bio diesel is the sweetheart of the moment. There are so many people
around here burning cooking oil that used oil has gone from something
they had to pay to haul away to another profit center. (usually pure
cash for the chef or restaurant manager)

At my wife's place they trade it for free electrical work. Their
electrician runs his trucks on cooking oil.



The Larry guy from South Carolina who used to be active in boating news
groups talked all the time about running his old Mercedes diesel sedan
on used cooking oil. Saw a tanker truck today pumping out the used
cooking oil tanks at a restaurant today. I wonder who will be
reprocessing the used oil.

On Thu, 29 Aug 2013 19:14:15 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Thu, 29 Aug 2013 17:50:58 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:

On Thu, 29 Aug 2013 14:04:32 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On the same note, I was reading the other day that diesel power may
soon become the engine of choice for a wide range of both passenger
vehicles as well as trucks. The new ones are clean, very fuel
efficient and make more practical sense than any of the electric
hybrids currently available.

===

In Europe where fuel is more than twice as expensive as it is here, a
high percentage of the passenger vehicles are diesel power. They are
not performance slugs either like the old Volkswagon and Mercedes
models.

Hey, this turbo-charged 1.4L diesel in my wife's VW is a sporty little bugger. I probably couldn't
outrun a Mustang GT, but it'd have to be filled up a lot more often then the VW. It has no problems
merging on the interstate.


====

The original VW Rabbit diesel was not turbo'd and it had a hard time
getting out of its own way. We owned one back in the late 70s and
could have sold it for more than we payed a year later when gas lines
were going around the block.

On Thu, 29 Aug 2013 19:44:22 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:

On Thu, 29 Aug 2013 19:14:15 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Thu, 29 Aug 2013 17:50:58 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:

On Thu, 29 Aug 2013 14:04:32 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On the same note, I was reading the other day that diesel power may
soon become the engine of choice for a wide range of both passenger
vehicles as well as trucks. The new ones are clean, very fuel
efficient and make more practical sense than any of the electric
hybrids currently available.

===

In Europe where fuel is more than twice as expensive as it is here, a
high percentage of the passenger vehicles are diesel power. They are
not performance slugs either like the old Volkswagon and Mercedes
models.

Hey, this turbo-charged 1.4L diesel in my wife's VW is a sporty little bugger. I probably couldn't
outrun a Mustang GT, but it'd have to be filled up a lot more often then the VW. It has no problems
merging on the interstate.


====

The original VW Rabbit diesel was not turbo'd and it had a hard time
getting out of its own way. We owned one back in the late 70s and
could have sold it for more than we payed a year later when gas lines
were going around the block.

My brother had one of the little VW diesel pickups back then. You're right - way underpowered.

John (Gun Nut) H.
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Hope you're having a great day!

On Thu, 29 Aug 2013 19:22:52 -0400, BAR wrote:

In article , says...

On 8/29/13 5:50 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 29 Aug 2013 14:04:32 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On the same note, I was reading the other day that diesel power may
soon become the engine of choice for a wide range of both passenger
vehicles as well as trucks. The new ones are clean, very fuel
efficient and make more practical sense than any of the electric
hybrids currently available.

===

In Europe where fuel is more than twice as expensive as it is here, a
high percentage of the passenger vehicles are diesel power. They are
not performance slugs either like the old Volkswagon and Mercedes
models.



Cummins has announced it will be building a 5.0 liter diesel to be used
in Nissan pickup trucks.

http://cumminsengines.com/cummins-5L-V8-turbo-diesel

Most European cars are running sub 2 liter diesel motors.

===

There are some but that's not what you see on the expressways doing
90+ mph. We had two different diesel rentals in France several years
ago. One was a turbo 5 cylinder Peugot if I remember correctly and
it had very decent power. The other was a VW van that was close to
commercial size. It too had a substantial turbo engine and lots of
pep. We were going through the French, Swiss and Italian Alps with 4
adults and a lot of luggage. It never lacked for power.