wrote:
On Thu, 29 Aug 2013 19:12:34 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Thu, 29 Aug 2013 19:06:55 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 29 Aug 2013 17:11:42 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Thu, 29 Aug 2013 15:21:27 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute
wrote:

On 8/29/2013 2:04 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

I have often said the same thing... Wonder how a diesel powered,
electric car would do...

It would probably happen under this administration if they could
figure a way to make a diesel
engine that would run with a 50% ethanol mixture.

John (Gun Nut) H.

Bio diesel is the sweetheart of the moment. There are so many people
around here burning cooking oil that used oil has gone from something
they had to pay to haul away to another profit center. (usually pure
cash for the chef or restaurant manager)

At my wife's place they trade it for free electrical work. Their
electrician runs his trucks on cooking oil.

My owner's manual specifically prohibits it. But I hear it's pretty damn cheap!

John (Gun Nut) H.

This guy has a home built reprocessing facility in his shop and he
says the resulting oil is as good as anything you get from a pump.

The problem with 100% biodiesel is a low cetane number, and almost no
lubricity. Mix it 50/50 and is much better. Do not know what it does to
seals. My primer pump on my Duramax had to change the O-rings as the low
sulphur fuel was not good with the variety of seal material GM used. Can
buy the Vitol seal kit for $11 and takes about an hour to change.

BAR wrote:
In article , says...

On 8/29/13 5:50 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 29 Aug 2013 14:04:32 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On the same note, I was reading the other day that diesel power may
soon become the engine of choice for a wide range of both passenger
vehicles as well as trucks. The new ones are clean, very fuel
efficient and make more practical sense than any of the electric
hybrids currently available.

===

In Europe where fuel is more than twice as expensive as it is here, a
high percentage of the passenger vehicles are diesel power. They are
not performance slugs either like the old Volkswagon and Mercedes
models.



Cummins has announced it will be building a 5.0 liter diesel to be used
in Nissan pickup trucks.

http://cumminsengines.com/cummins-5L-V8-turbo-diesel

Most European cars are running sub 2 liter diesel motors.

Toyota as a large diesel that Yanmar converts for the Jetboating crowd.
Friend has one in his 25' Precision Weld and gets about 4.5 mpg on plane.

John H wrote:
On Thu, 29 Aug 2013 17:50:58 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:

On Thu, 29 Aug 2013 14:04:32 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On the same note, I was reading the other day that diesel power may
soon become the engine of choice for a wide range of both passenger
vehicles as well as trucks. The new ones are clean, very fuel
efficient and make more practical sense than any of the electric
hybrids currently available.

===

In Europe where fuel is more than twice as expensive as it is here, a
high percentage of the passenger vehicles are diesel power. They are
not performance slugs either like the old Volkswagon and Mercedes
models.

Hey, this turbo-charged 1.4L diesel in my wife's VW is a sporty little
bugger. I probably couldn't
outrun a Mustang GT, but it'd have to be filled up a lot more often then
the VW. It has no problems
merging on the interstate.

John (Gun Nut) H.

About 8 years ago I rented a Jetta TDI in Italy. Coming south from the
Cinqua Terra I ran 145 kph for hours, with a burst or two to 165 kph.
Still got great milage. And was no dog. I pulled into a full service
station and said it probably required premium fuel. Attendant pointed out
Olio. Diesel is cheaper in Europe, as has a lot less taxes on it.
Opposite here.

On 8/29/2013 8:53 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 29 Aug 2013 19:12:34 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Thu, 29 Aug 2013 19:06:55 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 29 Aug 2013 17:11:42 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Thu, 29 Aug 2013 15:21:27 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:

On 8/29/2013 2:04 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

I have often said the same thing... Wonder how a diesel powered,
electric car would do...

It would probably happen under this administration if they could figure a way to make a diesel
engine that would run with a 50% ethanol mixture.

John (Gun Nut) H.

Bio diesel is the sweetheart of the moment. There are so many people
around here burning cooking oil that used oil has gone from something
they had to pay to haul away to another profit center. (usually pure
cash for the chef or restaurant manager)

At my wife's place they trade it for free electrical work. Their
electrician runs his trucks on cooking oil.

My owner's manual specifically prohibits it. But I hear it's pretty damn cheap!

John (Gun Nut) H.

This guy has a home built reprocessing facility in his shop and he
says the resulting oil is as good as anything you get from a pump.


I gotta' look back through my FB posts.. I have a picture of a hippie
bus in there I ran into last year at the end of the season. They came
and got about 6 gallons of cooking oil from my fryer and ran it in their
bus. The bus is equipt with a filter pump and system right in line so
you pour the straight cooking oil in one tank, it cleans and filters it,
and runs it in the engine all in one shot....

In article ,
says...

"John H" wrote in message
...


Well....their pickup diesel engines left something to be desired in
terms of reputation. Otherwise
I'd be driving a Ford diesel.

John (Gun Nut) H.

-----------------------

The old Powerstroke 7.2L was a reliable workhorse based on reports of
people that had them. The bad rap Ford diesels received was the 6.0L
replacement, and I can vouch for that. It was introduced under
pressure from Ford marketing before it was fully tested and developed.

The replacement for it ... the current 6.4L has a much better track
record and reputation.

I like diesel powered vehicles, particularly pickup trucks. I would
have purchased another one back in 2008 except they had just
introduced the mandated catalytic converter "burn off" systems.
Sounded a little *too* crazy and new for me, so I went for a gas
powered F250 instead.
It serves my purposes and is now almost 6 model years old but has
under 19,000 miles on it.

On the same note, I was reading the other day that diesel power may
soon become the engine of choice for a wide range of both passenger
vehicles as well as trucks. The new ones are clean, very fuel
efficient and make more practical sense than any of the electric
hybrids currently available.

One thing I'd like to see:

A diesel engine was never really designed to run over a wide range of
RPMs. It was designed to run at a fixed, optimum RPM where it
develops the most torque for the fuel it consumes. Diesel powered
trains run at a constant RPM and the power generated is converted to
electricity to run electric drive motors. I'd really be interested
in how applying that concept in cars or trucks, using the newer, high
efficiency diesels and electric motors available today.

Speaking of modern diesels, my friend has a Chevy that has that
catalytic converter system that uses a fluid to help the thing burn off
exhaust emissions. I had never heard of such, and when he told me that
he took it to the dealer because the dreaded check engine light came on,
he said they told him that the "exhaust fluid" was bad. I thought he was
kidding. NOT!

In article ,
says...

On Thu, 29 Aug 2013 15:21:27 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:

On 8/29/2013 2:04 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:


"John H" wrote in message
...


Well....their pickup diesel engines left something to be desired in
terms of reputation. Otherwise
I'd be driving a Ford diesel.

John (Gun Nut) H.

-----------------------

The old Powerstroke 7.2L was a reliable workhorse based on reports of
people that had them. The bad rap Ford diesels received was the 6.0L
replacement, and I can vouch for that. It was introduced under pressure
from Ford marketing before it was fully tested and developed.

The replacement for it ... the current 6.4L has a much better track
record and reputation.

I like diesel powered vehicles, particularly pickup trucks. I would
have purchased another one back in 2008 except they had just introduced
the mandated catalytic converter "burn off" systems. Sounded a little
*too* crazy and new for me, so I went for a gas powered F250 instead.
It serves my purposes and is now almost 6 model years old but has under
19,000 miles on it.

On the same note, I was reading the other day that diesel power may
soon become the engine of choice for a wide range of both passenger
vehicles as well as trucks. The new ones are clean, very fuel efficient
and make more practical sense than any of the electric hybrids currently
available.

One thing I'd like to see:

A diesel engine was never really designed to run over a wide range of
RPMs. It was designed to run at a fixed, optimum RPM where it develops
the most torque for the fuel it consumes. Diesel powered trains run
at a constant RPM and the power generated is converted to electricity to
run electric drive motors. I'd really be interested in how applying
that concept in cars or trucks, using the newer, high efficiency diesels
and electric motors available today.





I have often said the same thing... Wonder how a diesel powered,
electric car would do...

It would probably happen under this administration if they could figure a way to make a diesel
engine that would run with a 50% ethanol mixture.

John (Gun Nut) H.

You sure make some stupid comments, and that is one of the dumbest yet.

In article ,
says...

On 8/29/2013 8:53 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 29 Aug 2013 19:12:34 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Thu, 29 Aug 2013 19:06:55 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 29 Aug 2013 17:11:42 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Thu, 29 Aug 2013 15:21:27 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:

On 8/29/2013 2:04 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

I have often said the same thing... Wonder how a diesel powered,
electric car would do...

It would probably happen under this administration if they could figure a way to make a diesel
engine that would run with a 50% ethanol mixture.

John (Gun Nut) H.

Bio diesel is the sweetheart of the moment. There are so many people
around here burning cooking oil that used oil has gone from something
they had to pay to haul away to another profit center. (usually pure
cash for the chef or restaurant manager)

At my wife's place they trade it for free electrical work. Their
electrician runs his trucks on cooking oil.

My owner's manual specifically prohibits it. But I hear it's pretty damn cheap!

John (Gun Nut) H.

This guy has a home built reprocessing facility in his shop and he
says the resulting oil is as good as anything you get from a pump.


I gotta' look back through my FB posts.. I have a picture of a hippie
bus in there I ran into last year at the end of the season. They came
and got about 6 gallons of cooking oil from my fryer and ran it in their
bus. The bus is equipt with a filter pump and system right in line so
you pour the straight cooking oil in one tank, it cleans and filters it,
and runs it in the engine all in one shot....

Oh, horse****! It just isn't that easy.

On 8/29/2013 11:05 PM, Califbill wrote:
BAR wrote:
In article , says...

On 8/29/13 5:50 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 29 Aug 2013 14:04:32 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On the same note, I was reading the other day that diesel power may
soon become the engine of choice for a wide range of both passenger
vehicles as well as trucks. The new ones are clean, very fuel
efficient and make more practical sense than any of the electric
hybrids currently available.

===

In Europe where fuel is more than twice as expensive as it is here, a
high percentage of the passenger vehicles are diesel power. They are
not performance slugs either like the old Volkswagon and Mercedes
models.



Cummins has announced it will be building a 5.0 liter diesel to be used
in Nissan pickup trucks.

http://cumminsengines.com/cummins-5L-V8-turbo-diesel

Most European cars are running sub 2 liter diesel motors.

Toyota as a large diesel that Yanmar converts for the Jetboating crowd.
Friend has one in his 25' Precision Weld and gets about 4.5 mpg on plane.

Cummins seems to be enjoying a near monopoly in on the road truck
engines thanks to EPA. The other makers of large diesels will probably
move their operations offshore and charge more for their off road and
marine equipment shipped to the US.

On Thu, 29 Aug 2013 22:05:39 -0500, Califbill wrote:

John H wrote:
On Thu, 29 Aug 2013 17:50:58 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:

On Thu, 29 Aug 2013 14:04:32 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On the same note, I was reading the other day that diesel power may
soon become the engine of choice for a wide range of both passenger
vehicles as well as trucks. The new ones are clean, very fuel
efficient and make more practical sense than any of the electric
hybrids currently available.

===

In Europe where fuel is more than twice as expensive as it is here, a
high percentage of the passenger vehicles are diesel power. They are
not performance slugs either like the old Volkswagon and Mercedes
models.

Hey, this turbo-charged 1.4L diesel in my wife's VW is a sporty little
bugger. I probably couldn't
outrun a Mustang GT, but it'd have to be filled up a lot more often then
the VW. It has no problems
merging on the interstate.

John (Gun Nut) H.

About 8 years ago I rented a Jetta TDI in Italy. Coming south from the
Cinqua Terra I ran 145 kph for hours, with a burst or two to 165 kph.
Still got great milage. And was no dog. I pulled into a full service
station and said it probably required premium fuel. Attendant pointed out
Olio. Diesel is cheaper in Europe, as has a lot less taxes on it.
Opposite here.

I think it's a great little car, and that engine is damn quick.

John (Gun Nut) H.
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