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Auto industry recovery
This morning MSNBC's "Morning Joe" is celebrating the recovery of
the American auto industry, giving credit to the bailouts and concessions made by auto industry unions, etc. Where is the program being broadcast from? A *Ford* assembly plant. |
Auto industry recovery
On 8/29/13 6:09 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
This morning MSNBC's "Morning Joe" is celebrating the recovery of the American auto industry, giving credit to the bailouts and concessions made by auto industry unions, etc. Where is the program being broadcast from? A *Ford* assembly plant. Are you trying to say that the UAW didn't make huge concessions in dealing with the revitalization of Ford? |
Auto industry recovery
"F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... On 8/29/13 6:09 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: This morning MSNBC's "Morning Joe" is celebrating the recovery of the American auto industry, giving credit to the bailouts and concessions made by auto industry unions, etc. Where is the program being broadcast from? A *Ford* assembly plant. Are you trying to say that the UAW didn't make huge concessions in dealing with the revitalization of Ford? ----------------------------- No, but the only concessions discussed so far was the UAW's acceptance of a lower base starting wage for new employees .... not exactly a "huge" concession. Didn't affect existing employees. |
Auto industry recovery
"iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... This morning MSNBC's "Morning Joe" is celebrating the recovery of the American auto industry, giving credit to the bailouts and concessions made by auto industry unions, etc. Where is the program being broadcast from? A *Ford* assembly plant. So? Ford received almost $6 billion from the government and benefited from the cash for clunkers program. http://tinyurl.com/8yw3mcu ---------------------------- Ford received a six billion dollar loan from the DOE to scale up production of fuel efficient cars under a program available to all US auto makers, economic crisis or not. GM and Chrysler received emergency federal bailout money to the tune of over $70 billion. In the case of GM, it's unlikely a good chunk of it will ever be repaid. |
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Auto industry recovery
"John H" wrote in message ... Well....their pickup diesel engines left something to be desired in terms of reputation. Otherwise I'd be driving a Ford diesel. John (Gun Nut) H. ----------------------- The old Powerstroke 7.2L was a reliable workhorse based on reports of people that had them. The bad rap Ford diesels received was the 6.0L replacement, and I can vouch for that. It was introduced under pressure from Ford marketing before it was fully tested and developed. The replacement for it ... the current 6.4L has a much better track record and reputation. I like diesel powered vehicles, particularly pickup trucks. I would have purchased another one back in 2008 except they had just introduced the mandated catalytic converter "burn off" systems. Sounded a little *too* crazy and new for me, so I went for a gas powered F250 instead. It serves my purposes and is now almost 6 model years old but has under 19,000 miles on it. On the same note, I was reading the other day that diesel power may soon become the engine of choice for a wide range of both passenger vehicles as well as trucks. The new ones are clean, very fuel efficient and make more practical sense than any of the electric hybrids currently available. One thing I'd like to see: A diesel engine was never really designed to run over a wide range of RPMs. It was designed to run at a fixed, optimum RPM where it develops the most torque for the fuel it consumes. Diesel powered trains run at a constant RPM and the power generated is converted to electricity to run electric drive motors. I'd really be interested in how applying that concept in cars or trucks, using the newer, high efficiency diesels and electric motors available today. |
Auto industry recovery
On 8/29/2013 2:04 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
"John H" wrote in message ... Well....their pickup diesel engines left something to be desired in terms of reputation. Otherwise I'd be driving a Ford diesel. John (Gun Nut) H. ----------------------- The old Powerstroke 7.2L was a reliable workhorse based on reports of people that had them. The bad rap Ford diesels received was the 6.0L replacement, and I can vouch for that. It was introduced under pressure from Ford marketing before it was fully tested and developed. The replacement for it ... the current 6.4L has a much better track record and reputation. I like diesel powered vehicles, particularly pickup trucks. I would have purchased another one back in 2008 except they had just introduced the mandated catalytic converter "burn off" systems. Sounded a little *too* crazy and new for me, so I went for a gas powered F250 instead. It serves my purposes and is now almost 6 model years old but has under 19,000 miles on it. On the same note, I was reading the other day that diesel power may soon become the engine of choice for a wide range of both passenger vehicles as well as trucks. The new ones are clean, very fuel efficient and make more practical sense than any of the electric hybrids currently available. One thing I'd like to see: A diesel engine was never really designed to run over a wide range of RPMs. It was designed to run at a fixed, optimum RPM where it develops the most torque for the fuel it consumes. Diesel powered trains run at a constant RPM and the power generated is converted to electricity to run electric drive motors. I'd really be interested in how applying that concept in cars or trucks, using the newer, high efficiency diesels and electric motors available today. I have often said the same thing... Wonder how a diesel powered, electric car would do... |
Auto industry recovery
On Thu, 29 Aug 2013 14:04:32 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:
"John H" wrote in message .. . Well....their pickup diesel engines left something to be desired in terms of reputation. Otherwise I'd be driving a Ford diesel. John (Gun Nut) H. ----------------------- The old Powerstroke 7.2L was a reliable workhorse based on reports of people that had them. The bad rap Ford diesels received was the 6.0L replacement, and I can vouch for that. It was introduced under pressure from Ford marketing before it was fully tested and developed. The replacement for it ... the current 6.4L has a much better track record and reputation. I like diesel powered vehicles, particularly pickup trucks. I would have purchased another one back in 2008 except they had just introduced the mandated catalytic converter "burn off" systems. Sounded a little *too* crazy and new for me, so I went for a gas powered F250 instead. It serves my purposes and is now almost 6 model years old but has under 19,000 miles on it. On the same note, I was reading the other day that diesel power may soon become the engine of choice for a wide range of both passenger vehicles as well as trucks. The new ones are clean, very fuel efficient and make more practical sense than any of the electric hybrids currently available. One thing I'd like to see: A diesel engine was never really designed to run over a wide range of RPMs. It was designed to run at a fixed, optimum RPM where it develops the most torque for the fuel it consumes. Diesel powered trains run at a constant RPM and the power generated is converted to electricity to run electric drive motors. I'd really be interested in how applying that concept in cars or trucks, using the newer, high efficiency diesels and electric motors available today. I definitely like mine. On the highway the speed control gets set at 63mph, pulling a trailer or not. With the trailer I'm getting right at 12mpg, without (on the highway) 22 mpg. Can't bitch about that. The new diesels, in the pickups, require the diesel exhaust fluid (urea) system, which I'm not fond of. I figure my 2009 will outlast me. I see that many of the auto makers are soon to make diesels. My wife's new car is a VW Jetta Sportwagon Diesel. She loves it, and the damn thing will get 48mpg on the highway. It's unreal. Makes the Prius look bad. John (Gun Nut) H. -- Hope you're having a great day! |
Auto industry recovery
On Thu, 29 Aug 2013 14:04:32 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:
And, the VW cost a hell of a lot less than a Prius. John (Gun Nut) H. -- Hope you're having a great day! |
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