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So, if your daughter is walking home from the store…
…and a man she does not know who is in a car starts following her and gets out of the car and chases her… If she stops running and knees him, or pepper sprays him, or trips him... ....She is the aggressor, and he is justified in shooting her in "self defense." Welcome to Amerika. |
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I still say the 'merican gov't should take handguns out of the hands of Americans.
Too many just can't be trusted with them. |
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On 7/22/2013 9:32 PM, True North wrote:
I still say the 'merican gov't should take handguns out of the hands of Americans. Too many just can't be trusted with them. With your tough gun laws you should be doing better fighting crime. http://www.nationmaster.com/compare/...d-States/Crime |
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On 7/23/2013 1:27 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 22 Jul 2013 22:22:35 -0400, wrote: BTW if martin really felt threatened, why didn't he hang up on the girl and dial 911? === Speaking of which, how would you like to be confronted by her in a dark alley? Rumor has it she was Treve's personal trainer. |
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On 7/23/13 1:27 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 22 Jul 2013 22:22:35 -0400, wrote: BTW if martin really felt threatened, why didn't he hang up on the girl and dial 911? === Speaking of which, how would you like to be confronted by her in a dark alley? Why would you think she would "confront" anyone, Wayne, or is that just your racism peeking out? |
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In article ,
says... On 7/22/2013 10:22 PM, wrote: On Mon, 22 Jul 2013 21:26:26 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: So, if your daughter is walking home from the store? ?and a man she does not know who is in a car starts following her and gets out of the car and chases her? If she stops running and knees him, or pepper sprays him, or trips him... ...She is the aggressor, and he is justified in shooting her in "self defense." You left out the "get on top of and continue to pummel after the threat was abated" part. There is also absolutely zero evidence that Zimmerman actually confronted Martin in the first place. BTW if martin really felt threatened, why didn't he hang up on the girl and dial 911? Cause if you listen to his own text words days before the event, it's obvious he was looking for another cracker to kick the **** out of. He had texted earlier about beating the **** out of someone and only breaking their nose, and "the next guy won't get off so easy"... Martin was out tiger hunting, and the tiger ate him... period. Guess you've never been a teenager before..... |
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On Tue, 23 Jul 2013 08:54:14 -0400, Gogarty
wrote: In article , says... On Mon, 22 Jul 2013 22:22:35 -0400, wrote: BTW if martin really felt threatened, why didn't he hang up on the girl and dial 911? === Speaking of which, how would you like to be confronted by her in a dark alley? You have disappointed me. === Sorry but I find her scary in any color you could imagine. |
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On 7/23/13 10:17 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 23 Jul 2013 08:54:14 -0400, Gogarty wrote: In article , says... On Mon, 22 Jul 2013 22:22:35 -0400, wrote: BTW if martin really felt threatened, why didn't he hang up on the girl and dial 911? === Speaking of which, how would you like to be confronted by her in a dark alley? You have disappointed me. === Sorry but I find her scary in any color you could imagine. W'hine backpaddling his canoe: http://tinyurl.com/myjybbf What's scary about her, W'hine? |
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On 7/23/13 11:46 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 23 Jul 2013 06:33:26 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 7/22/13 10:22 PM, wrote: . BTW if martin really felt threatened, why didn't he hang up on the girl and dial 911? Maybe because some black folks are reluctant to call the police, especially in a town with a long history of racism towards them...you know, a town like Sanford. OK so Zimmerman called the police and Martin decided to take the law into his own hands, 'nuff said. Who is the vigilante again? Zimmerman was whining about how "they always get away," so rather than wait for the police, he took the law into his own hands. "Vigilante justice" is rationalized by the idea that adequate legal mechanisms for criminal punishment are either nonexistent or insufficient. Vigilantes typically see government as ineffective in enforcing the law; and such individuals often presume to justify their actions as fulfillment of the wishes of "the community". So, in response to your question, the vigilante was Zimmerman. Have nice day. |
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"F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... On 7/23/13 11:46 AM, wrote: On Tue, 23 Jul 2013 06:33:26 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 7/22/13 10:22 PM, wrote: . BTW if martin really felt threatened, why didn't he hang up on the girl and dial 911? Maybe because some black folks are reluctant to call the police, especially in a town with a long history of racism towards them...you know, a town like Sanford. OK so Zimmerman called the police and Martin decided to take the law into his own hands, 'nuff said. Who is the vigilante again? Zimmerman was whining about how "they always get away," so rather than wait for the police, he took the law into his own hands. "Vigilante justice" is rationalized by the idea that adequate legal mechanisms for criminal punishment are either nonexistent or insufficient. Vigilantes typically see government as ineffective in enforcing the law; and such individuals often presume to justify their actions as fulfillment of the wishes of "the community". So, in response to your question, the vigilante was Zimmerman. Have nice day. ------------------------------------------- A vigilante doesn't call the police to report a crime or suspicious activity. Zimmerman did. A vigilante isn't in direct communications with a police dispatcher. Zimmerman was. A vigilante wouldn't respond to the dispatcher's question "Where did he go?" with an attempt to try to find out. Zimmerman did. A vigilante would have shot Martin as soon as he saw him. Zimmerman didn't. He shot him in self defense while getting his ass kicked. |
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On 7/23/2013 12:09 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 7/23/13 11:46 AM, wrote: On Tue, 23 Jul 2013 06:33:26 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 7/22/13 10:22 PM, wrote: . BTW if martin really felt threatened, why didn't he hang up on the girl and dial 911? Maybe because some black folks are reluctant to call the police, especially in a town with a long history of racism towards them...you know, a town like Sanford. OK so Zimmerman called the police and Martin decided to take the law into his own hands, 'nuff said. Who is the vigilante again? Zimmerman was whining about how "they always get away," so rather than wait for the police, he took the law into his own hands. "Vigilante justice" is rationalized by the idea that adequate legal mechanisms for criminal punishment are either nonexistent or insufficient. Vigilantes typically see government as ineffective in enforcing the law; and such individuals often presume to justify their actions as fulfillment of the wishes of "the community". So, in response to your question, the vigilante was Zimmerman. Have nice day. If there was a suspicious looking character lurking about in my neighborhood, I'd call 911 and try to keep an eye on him till the cops arrived. Seems like the normal thing to do. |
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On 7/23/13 12:25 PM, Eisboch wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... On 7/23/13 11:46 AM, wrote: On Tue, 23 Jul 2013 06:33:26 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 7/22/13 10:22 PM, wrote: . BTW if martin really felt threatened, why didn't he hang up on the girl and dial 911? Maybe because some black folks are reluctant to call the police, especially in a town with a long history of racism towards them...you know, a town like Sanford. OK so Zimmerman called the police and Martin decided to take the law into his own hands, 'nuff said. Who is the vigilante again? Zimmerman was whining about how "they always get away," so rather than wait for the police, he took the law into his own hands. "Vigilante justice" is rationalized by the idea that adequate legal mechanisms for criminal punishment are either nonexistent or insufficient. Vigilantes typically see government as ineffective in enforcing the law; and such individuals often presume to justify their actions as fulfillment of the wishes of "the community". So, in response to your question, the vigilante was Zimmerman. Have nice day. ------------------------------------------- A vigilante doesn't call the police to report a crime or suspicious activity. Zimmerman did. A vigilante isn't in direct communications with a police dispatcher. Zimmerman was. A vigilante wouldn't respond to the dispatcher's question "Where did he go?" with an attempt to try to find out. Zimmerman did. A vigilante would have shot Martin as soon as he saw him. Zimmerman didn't. He shot him in self defense while getting his ass kicked. Zimmerman called the police to report that a black kid was walking through his neighborhood. He also stated the police never showed up ontime to catch his "suspect," so he took the law into his own hands. |
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"F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... Zimmerman called the police to report that a black kid was walking through his neighborhood. He also stated the police never showed up ontime to catch his "suspect," so he took the law into his own hands. ---------------------------------------- That's the liberal media and activist version of what transpired. Obviously you have jumped on the bandwagon and embraced it. Unfortunately, it just isn't borne out with the facts, including the transcribed initial telephone call Zimmerman made to the dispatcher. Zimmerman didn't call the police to report that a black kid was walking through his neighborhood. Read the transcripts of the phone call. They aren't speculation or "made up". |
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On 7/23/13 3:24 PM, Eisboch wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... Zimmerman called the police to report that a black kid was walking through his neighborhood. He also stated the police never showed up ontime to catch his "suspect," so he took the law into his own hands. ---------------------------------------- That's the liberal media and activist version of what transpired. Obviously you have jumped on the bandwagon and embraced it. Unfortunately, it just isn't borne out with the facts, including the transcribed initial telephone call Zimmerman made to the dispatcher. Zimmerman didn't call the police to report that a black kid was walking through his neighborhood. Read the transcripts of the phone call. They aren't speculation or "made up". Yeah, he didn't say "black kid." BFD. He saw a kid walking through the neighborhood, the kid was black, and Zimmerman therefore thought he was about to commit a crime. |
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"F.O.A.D." wrote in message ... On 7/23/13 3:24 PM, Eisboch wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... Zimmerman called the police to report that a black kid was walking through his neighborhood. He also stated the police never showed up ontime to catch his "suspect," so he took the law into his own hands. ---------------------------------------- That's the liberal media and activist version of what transpired. Obviously you have jumped on the bandwagon and embraced it. Unfortunately, it just isn't borne out with the facts, including the transcribed initial telephone call Zimmerman made to the dispatcher. Zimmerman didn't call the police to report that a black kid was walking through his neighborhood. Read the transcripts of the phone call. They aren't speculation or "made up". Yeah, he didn't say "black kid." BFD. He saw a kid walking through the neighborhood, the kid was black, and Zimmerman therefore thought he was about to commit a crime. ------------------------------ His first words we "Hey, we've had some break-ins in my neighborhood, and there's a real suspicious guy-- it's Retreat View Circle. The best address I can give you is 111 Retreat View Circle. This guy looks like he's up to no good, or he's on drugs or something. It's raining and he's just walking around, looking about." Keep in mind that initially Zimmerman didn't know if Martin was black or not. The dispatcher asked if he was white, black or Hispanic. Zimmerman answered, "He looks black". Later, when Martin approached Zimmerman's car, he (Zimmerman) confirmed Martin was black and gave an approximate age. Point is ... he didn't "target" Martin because he was black, as much as you and others would like to think or claim that he did. Also keep in mind that his neighborhood is considered a high crime rate area .... 8 or more documented home invasions/burglaries in 14-15 months. We rarely have one every two or three years in the area we live in. |
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On 7/23/13 3:58 PM, Eisboch wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote in message ... On 7/23/13 3:24 PM, Eisboch wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... Zimmerman called the police to report that a black kid was walking through his neighborhood. He also stated the police never showed up ontime to catch his "suspect," so he took the law into his own hands. ---------------------------------------- That's the liberal media and activist version of what transpired. Obviously you have jumped on the bandwagon and embraced it. Unfortunately, it just isn't borne out with the facts, including the transcribed initial telephone call Zimmerman made to the dispatcher. Zimmerman didn't call the police to report that a black kid was walking through his neighborhood. Read the transcripts of the phone call. They aren't speculation or "made up". Yeah, he didn't say "black kid." BFD. He saw a kid walking through the neighborhood, the kid was black, and Zimmerman therefore thought he was about to commit a crime. ------------------------------ His first words we "Hey, we've had some break-ins in my neighborhood, and there's a real suspicious guy-- it's Retreat View Circle. The best address I can give you is 111 Retreat View Circle. This guy looks like he's up to no good, or he's on drugs or something. It's raining and he's just walking around, looking about." Keep in mind that initially Zimmerman didn't know if Martin was black or not. The dispatcher asked if he was white, black or Hispanic. Zimmerman answered, "He looks black". Later, when Martin approached Zimmerman's car, he (Zimmerman) confirmed Martin was black and gave an approximate age. Point is ... he didn't "target" Martin because he was black, as much as you and others would like to think or claim that he did. Also keep in mind that his neighborhood is considered a high crime rate area .... 8 or more documented home invasions/burglaries in 14-15 months. We rarely have one every two or three years in the area we live in. "He looks black." "He looks like he is up to no good." And what was the kid doing, aside from walking around with a bag of candy and talking on the cell? Why, he was "up to no good." |
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On 7/23/2013 3:24 PM, Eisboch wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... Zimmerman called the police to report that a black kid was walking through his neighborhood. He also stated the police never showed up ontime to catch his "suspect," so he took the law into his own hands. ---------------------------------------- That's the liberal media and activist version of what transpired. Obviously you have jumped on the bandwagon and embraced it. Unfortunately, it just isn't borne out with the facts, including the transcribed initial telephone call Zimmerman made to the dispatcher. Zimmerman didn't call the police to report that a black kid was walking through his neighborhood. Read the transcripts of the phone call. They aren't speculation or "made up". Harry often edits the facts and statements of others. He lies so much he probably doesn't even realize he's doing it. |
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"F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... On 7/23/13 3:58 PM, Eisboch wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote in message ... On 7/23/13 3:24 PM, Eisboch wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... Zimmerman called the police to report that a black kid was walking through his neighborhood. He also stated the police never showed up ontime to catch his "suspect," so he took the law into his own hands. ---------------------------------------- That's the liberal media and activist version of what transpired. Obviously you have jumped on the bandwagon and embraced it. Unfortunately, it just isn't borne out with the facts, including the transcribed initial telephone call Zimmerman made to the dispatcher. Zimmerman didn't call the police to report that a black kid was walking through his neighborhood. Read the transcripts of the phone call. They aren't speculation or "made up". Yeah, he didn't say "black kid." BFD. He saw a kid walking through the neighborhood, the kid was black, and Zimmerman therefore thought he was about to commit a crime. ------------------------------ His first words we "Hey, we've had some break-ins in my neighborhood, and there's a real suspicious guy-- it's Retreat View Circle. The best address I can give you is 111 Retreat View Circle. This guy looks like he's up to no good, or he's on drugs or something. It's raining and he's just walking around, looking about." Keep in mind that initially Zimmerman didn't know if Martin was black or not. The dispatcher asked if he was white, black or Hispanic. Zimmerman answered, "He looks black". Later, when Martin approached Zimmerman's car, he (Zimmerman) confirmed Martin was black and gave an approximate age. Point is ... he didn't "target" Martin because he was black, as much as you and others would like to think or claim that he did. Also keep in mind that his neighborhood is considered a high crime rate area .... 8 or more documented home invasions/burglaries in 14-15 months. We rarely have one every two or three years in the area we live in. "He looks black." "He looks like he is up to no good." And what was the kid doing, aside from walking around with a bag of candy and talking on the cell? Why, he was "up to no good." ------------------------------------------------------------ Why do you (and others) so conveniently compartmentalize statements and sequences of events? Well, actually I know. It's because they become talking points that support false allegations. The truth lies in the application of common sense, taking all known facts into account. That's what a jury is supposed to do .... and did in this case. In a high crime rate neighborhood Zimmerman's concerns or suspicions were perfectly justified and reasonable. |
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On 7/23/2013 3:58 PM, Eisboch wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote in message ... On 7/23/13 3:24 PM, Eisboch wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... Zimmerman called the police to report that a black kid was walking through his neighborhood. He also stated the police never showed up ontime to catch his "suspect," so he took the law into his own hands. ---------------------------------------- That's the liberal media and activist version of what transpired. Obviously you have jumped on the bandwagon and embraced it. Unfortunately, it just isn't borne out with the facts, including the transcribed initial telephone call Zimmerman made to the dispatcher. Zimmerman didn't call the police to report that a black kid was walking through his neighborhood. Read the transcripts of the phone call. They aren't speculation or "made up". Yeah, he didn't say "black kid." BFD. He saw a kid walking through the neighborhood, the kid was black, and Zimmerman therefore thought he was about to commit a crime. ------------------------------ His first words we "Hey, we've had some break-ins in my neighborhood, and there's a real suspicious guy-- it's Retreat View Circle. The best address I can give you is 111 Retreat View Circle. This guy looks like he's up to no good, or he's on drugs or something. It's raining and he's just walking around, looking about." Keep in mind that initially Zimmerman didn't know if Martin was black or not. The dispatcher asked if he was white, black or Hispanic. Zimmerman answered, "He looks black". Later, when Martin approached Zimmerman's car, he (Zimmerman) confirmed Martin was black and gave an approximate age. Point is ... he didn't "target" Martin because he was black, as much as you and others would like to think or claim that he did. Also keep in mind that his neighborhood is considered a high crime rate area .... 8 or more documented home invasions/burglaries in 14-15 months. We rarely have one every two or three years in the area we live in. Harry gets caught telling another lie. BFD he says. You can't have a rational conversation with him. Why try? |
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On 7/23/13 4:22 PM, Eisboch wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... On 7/23/13 3:58 PM, Eisboch wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote in message ... On 7/23/13 3:24 PM, Eisboch wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... Zimmerman called the police to report that a black kid was walking through his neighborhood. He also stated the police never showed up ontime to catch his "suspect," so he took the law into his own hands. ---------------------------------------- That's the liberal media and activist version of what transpired. Obviously you have jumped on the bandwagon and embraced it. Unfortunately, it just isn't borne out with the facts, including the transcribed initial telephone call Zimmerman made to the dispatcher. Zimmerman didn't call the police to report that a black kid was walking through his neighborhood. Read the transcripts of the phone call. They aren't speculation or "made up". Yeah, he didn't say "black kid." BFD. He saw a kid walking through the neighborhood, the kid was black, and Zimmerman therefore thought he was about to commit a crime. ------------------------------ His first words we "Hey, we've had some break-ins in my neighborhood, and there's a real suspicious guy-- it's Retreat View Circle. The best address I can give you is 111 Retreat View Circle. This guy looks like he's up to no good, or he's on drugs or something. It's raining and he's just walking around, looking about." Keep in mind that initially Zimmerman didn't know if Martin was black or not. The dispatcher asked if he was white, black or Hispanic. Zimmerman answered, "He looks black". Later, when Martin approached Zimmerman's car, he (Zimmerman) confirmed Martin was black and gave an approximate age. Point is ... he didn't "target" Martin because he was black, as much as you and others would like to think or claim that he did. Also keep in mind that his neighborhood is considered a high crime rate area .... 8 or more documented home invasions/burglaries in 14-15 months. We rarely have one every two or three years in the area we live in. "He looks black." "He looks like he is up to no good." And what was the kid doing, aside from walking around with a bag of candy and talking on the cell? Why, he was "up to no good." ------------------------------------------------------------ Why do you (and others) so conveniently compartmentalize statements and sequences of events? Well, actually I know. It's because they become talking points that support false allegations. The truth lies in the application of common sense, taking all known facts into account. That's what a jury is supposed to do .... and did in this case. In a high crime rate neighborhood Zimmerman's concerns or suspicions were perfectly justified and reasonable. We are all interpreting what we know, what the facts are and what we think happened. I think Zimmerman saw a black kid he didn't know walking through the neighborhood, that Zimmerman stalked the kid, that Zimmerman confronted the kid, and from that point on, I don't know what happened, except that Zimmerman shot the kid dead. |
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On 7/23/2013 4:06 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 7/23/13 3:58 PM, Eisboch wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote in message ... On 7/23/13 3:24 PM, Eisboch wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... Zimmerman called the police to report that a black kid was walking through his neighborhood. He also stated the police never showed up ontime to catch his "suspect," so he took the law into his own hands. ---------------------------------------- That's the liberal media and activist version of what transpired. Obviously you have jumped on the bandwagon and embraced it. Unfortunately, it just isn't borne out with the facts, including the transcribed initial telephone call Zimmerman made to the dispatcher. Zimmerman didn't call the police to report that a black kid was walking through his neighborhood. Read the transcripts of the phone call. They aren't speculation or "made up". Yeah, he didn't say "black kid." BFD. He saw a kid walking through the neighborhood, the kid was black, and Zimmerman therefore thought he was about to commit a crime. ------------------------------ His first words we "Hey, we've had some break-ins in my neighborhood, and there's a real suspicious guy-- it's Retreat View Circle. The best address I can give you is 111 Retreat View Circle. This guy looks like he's up to no good, or he's on drugs or something. It's raining and he's just walking around, looking about." Keep in mind that initially Zimmerman didn't know if Martin was black or not. The dispatcher asked if he was white, black or Hispanic. Zimmerman answered, "He looks black". Later, when Martin approached Zimmerman's car, he (Zimmerman) confirmed Martin was black and gave an approximate age. Point is ... he didn't "target" Martin because he was black, as much as you and others would like to think or claim that he did. Also keep in mind that his neighborhood is considered a high crime rate area .... 8 or more documented home invasions/burglaries in 14-15 months. We rarely have one every two or three years in the area we live in. "He looks black." "He looks like he is up to no good." And what was the kid doing, aside from walking around with a bag of candy and talking on the cell? Why, he was "up to no good." Dark rainy night, malingering around and peering into car windows. Nah. Not suspicious at all, Harry says. |
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"F.O.A.D." wrote in message ... On 7/23/13 4:22 PM, Eisboch wrote: We are all interpreting what we know, what the facts are and what we think happened. I think Zimmerman saw a black kid he didn't know walking through the neighborhood, that Zimmerman stalked the kid, that Zimmerman confronted the kid, and from that point on, I don't know what happened, except that Zimmerman shot the kid dead. ---------------------------------------- There's a huge difference in how you are received when you say, "I think" versus making a statement as if it is fact. You rarely use the words "I think". That's why I often take exception to some of your grand statements of "fact". |
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On 7/23/13 7:41 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 23 Jul 2013 18:02:41 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 7/23/13 5:24 PM, wrote: On Tue, 23 Jul 2013 15:41:35 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: Yeah, he didn't say "black kid." BFD. He saw a kid walking through the neighborhood, the kid was black, and Zimmerman therefore thought he was about to commit a crime. He was a stranger INSIDE the fence of a gated community. This was not a public street. The entire community had a gate around it, with a guard at the entrance(s)? A fence but no guard. The roads are not public roads (privately maintained) and all of the common areas belong to the HOA, just like your back yard. If you saw one of Scotty's buddies wandering around in your yard, would you try to watch him until the cops got there? What's the point of a "gated community" if no one is standing guard at the gate? All kinds of people walk on the heavily wood trails around here. Some I know, some I don't know. Occasionally I see someone walking through the back yard, usually trying to track a dog that got away. I don't look for them, though. How would I know if one of the wanderers was a buddy of Scotty's? Would he look like a white motorcycle thug, with greasy hair, ****ty tattoos and piercings? :) Would he be carrying a bag of candy? Would he be talking to his girlfriend on a cell phone? Would he have pink, spiky hair? |
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On Tue, 23 Jul 2013 18:02:41 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 7/23/13 5:24 PM, wrote: He was a stranger INSIDE the fence of a gated community. This was not a public street. The entire community had a gate around it, with a guard at the entrance(s)? ------------------------------------- I am sure each gated community (governed by their respective HOAs) have their own rules and regulations, but they are private communities, not public. The one we lived in (in Jupiter) was gated with uniformed guards at the entrance. The guards were armed with Glocks. Only residents and guests with permission to enter for specific days were allowed within the community. When we bought the house Mrs.E. had not seen it yet. I made our offer on it shortly after taking the Navigator down there. Mrs.E. flew down the day before the closing and we drove over to the community the evening before and attempted to enter so I could show her what we were buying. The guard was a good looking but tough sounding female who, despite my pleas and explanations, politely but firmly refused entry with her palm of her hand on her holstered but very visible sidearm. Once we closed on the house and had the required barcode sticker on the vehicles, she was always pleasant with a wave and big smile. |
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On 7/23/13 8:05 PM, Eisboch wrote:
On Tue, 23 Jul 2013 18:02:41 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 7/23/13 5:24 PM, wrote: He was a stranger INSIDE the fence of a gated community. This was not a public street. The entire community had a gate around it, with a guard at the entrance(s)? ------------------------------------- I am sure each gated community (governed by their respective HOAs) have their own rules and regulations, but they are private communities, not public. The one we lived in (in Jupiter) was gated with uniformed guards at the entrance. The guards were armed with Glocks. Only residents and guests with permission to enter for specific days were allowed within the community. When we bought the house Mrs.E. had not seen it yet. I made our offer on it shortly after taking the Navigator down there. Mrs.E. flew down the day before the closing and we drove over to the community the evening before and attempted to enter so I could show her what we were buying. The guard was a good looking but tough sounding female who, despite my pleas and explanations, politely but firmly refused entry with her palm of her hand on her holstered but very visible sidearm. Once we closed on the house and had the required barcode sticker on the vehicles, she was always pleasant with a wave and big smile. It's kind of laughable for a community to present itself as "gated," when the gate is wide open and there are no uniformed guards. An architect friend of mine lived in Malibu Colony for many years, and when I was in LA and went to visit him, there was a guard's gate and a uniformed guard. If your name was on the visitor's list, you got in and if not and the guard could verify you were a guest (verify via phone call), you also got in. I didn't notice whether the guards were armed. |
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"F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... It's kind of laughable for a community to present itself as "gated," when the gate is wide open and there are no uniformed guards. -------------------------------------------- The one we were in consisted of 1,000 acres total. There were fences surrounding the developed areas with manned gates at the vehicle entrance/exit points but I doubt the entire 1,000 acres was surrounded by a fence. In fact, I am sure it was not. People on foot could theoretically gain access but the place was built out in the middle of nowhere, surrounded by swamps, alligators, snakes who knows what. We never had any unexpected visitors. The regular town police rarely entered either. The only time I recall ever seeing the Jupiter police department inside the community was at my son's wedding. We had a pretty loud and well attended outdoor party going on that lasted a little later at night than it should have. It was understandable since it was on a Thursday night of all times. They came out twice. The first time they asked me to get the music turned down a bit and also asked me what time it would end. I told them it would be over by 10 pm. I couldn't get the band to stop though. By 10:30 the police came back and told me that if it didn't end *now* the bride and groom would spend their first married night in jail (along with me). I went back, found the circuit breakers for all the amps, etc., and tripped them. Fun night though. |
So, can he shoot your daughter?
"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 7/23/13 8:05 PM, Eisboch wrote: On Tue, 23 Jul 2013 18:02:41 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 7/23/13 5:24 PM, wrote: He was a stranger INSIDE the fence of a gated community. This was not a public street. The entire community had a gate around it, with a guard at the entrance(s)? ------------------------------------- I am sure each gated community (governed by their respective HOAs) have their own rules and regulations, but they are private communities, not public. The one we lived in (in Jupiter) was gated with uniformed guards at the entrance. The guards were armed with Glocks. Only residents and guests with permission to enter for specific days were allowed within the community. When we bought the house Mrs.E. had not seen it yet. I made our offer on it shortly after taking the Navigator down there. Mrs.E. flew down the day before the closing and we drove over to the community the evening before and attempted to enter so I could show her what we were buying. The guard was a good looking but tough sounding female who, despite my pleas and explanations, politely but firmly refused entry with her palm of her hand on her holstered but very visible sidearm. Once we closed on the house and had the required barcode sticker on the vehicles, she was always pleasant with a wave and big smile. It's kind of laughable for a community to present itself as "gated," when the gate is wide open and there are no uniformed guards. An architect friend of mine lived in Malibu Colony for many years, and when I was in LA and went to visit him, there was a guard's gate and a uniformed guard. If your name was on the visitor's list, you got in and if not and the guard could verify you were a guest (verify via phone call), you also got in. I didn't notice whether the guards were armed. Malibu Colony along the beach has no gates, or guards. up in the hills of Malibu they have gates and guards. The colony is along the highway with little space to a crowded road. |
So, can he shoot your daughter?
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So, can he shoot your daughter?
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So, can he shoot your daughter?
"iBoaterer" wrote in message ... "Common sense" would have had Zimmerman staying in his car and wait for the police, like the dispatcher suggested, and like the police's representative told them at the neighborhood watch meeting, and like the pamphlets handed out also stated. ---------------------------------------- I agree with you .... except for the part about the dispatcher "suggesting" that he stay in his car. That didn't happen. Zimmerman was already out of his car, prompted by the dispatcher's question, "Where is he"? When told "we don't need you to do that", Zimmerman replied "Ok" and attempted to return to his car, according to his account. The rest I agree with. Only thing is, nothing he did was illegal and there's nothing to suggest that Zimmerman physically threatened Martin or attacked him . If you and others have concluded in your imaginations that he did, so be it but there is absolutely zero evidence of that. |
So, can he shoot your daughter?
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So, can he shoot your daughter?
On 7/24/13 8:43 AM, Eisboch wrote:
"iBoaterer" wrote in message ... "Common sense" would have had Zimmerman staying in his car and wait for the police, like the dispatcher suggested, and like the police's representative told them at the neighborhood watch meeting, and like the pamphlets handed out also stated. ---------------------------------------- I agree with you .... except for the part about the dispatcher "suggesting" that he stay in his car. That didn't happen. Zimmerman was already out of his car, prompted by the dispatcher's question, "Where is he"? When told "we don't need you to do that", Zimmerman replied "Ok" and attempted to return to his car, according to his account. The rest I agree with. Only thing is, nothing he did was illegal and there's nothing to suggest that Zimmerman physically threatened Martin or attacked him . If you and others have concluded in your imaginations that he did, so be it but there is absolutely zero evidence of that. There's nothing to suggest that Martin started the altercation. |
So, can he shoot your daughter?
On 7/24/2013 9:14 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 7/24/13 8:43 AM, Eisboch wrote: "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... "Common sense" would have had Zimmerman staying in his car and wait for the police, like the dispatcher suggested, and like the police's representative told them at the neighborhood watch meeting, and like the pamphlets handed out also stated. ---------------------------------------- I agree with you .... except for the part about the dispatcher "suggesting" that he stay in his car. That didn't happen. Zimmerman was already out of his car, prompted by the dispatcher's question, "Where is he"? When told "we don't need you to do that", Zimmerman replied "Ok" and attempted to return to his car, according to his account. The rest I agree with. Only thing is, nothing he did was illegal and there's nothing to suggest that Zimmerman physically threatened Martin or attacked him . If you and others have concluded in your imaginations that he did, so be it but there is absolutely zero evidence of that. There's nothing to suggest that Martin started the altercation. Doesn't matter who started it. Does matter who turned it into a violent, agressive, head pounding, smackdown. |
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