"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
m...

On 7/24/13 8:43 AM, Eisboch wrote:


"iBoaterer" wrote in message
...


"Common sense" would have had Zimmerman staying in his car and wait
for
the police, like the dispatcher suggested, and like the police's
representative told them at the neighborhood watch meeting, and like
the
pamphlets handed out also stated.

----------------------------------------

I agree with you .... except for the part about the dispatcher
"suggesting" that he stay in his car. That didn't happen.
Zimmerman was already out of his car, prompted by the dispatcher's
question, "Where is he"? When told "we don't need you to do
that",
Zimmerman replied "Ok" and attempted to return to his car,
according to
his account.

The rest I agree with. Only thing is, nothing he did was illegal
and
there's nothing to suggest that Zimmerman physically threatened
Martin
or attacked him . If you and others have concluded in your
imaginations that he did, so be it but there is absolutely zero
evidence of that.




There's nothing to suggest that Martin started the altercation.

--------------------------------

Zimmerman's nose provides a clue.

On 7/24/13 9:30 AM, Eisboch wrote:


"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
m...

On 7/24/13 8:43 AM, Eisboch wrote:


"iBoaterer" wrote in message
...


"Common sense" would have had Zimmerman staying in his car and wait for
the police, like the dispatcher suggested, and like the police's
representative told them at the neighborhood watch meeting, and like the
pamphlets handed out also stated.

----------------------------------------

I agree with you .... except for the part about the dispatcher
"suggesting" that he stay in his car. That didn't happen.
Zimmerman was already out of his car, prompted by the dispatcher's
question, "Where is he"? When told "we don't need you to do that",
Zimmerman replied "Ok" and attempted to return to his car, according to
his account.

The rest I agree with. Only thing is, nothing he did was illegal and
there's nothing to suggest that Zimmerman physically threatened Martin
or attacked him . If you and others have concluded in your
imaginations that he did, so be it but there is absolutely zero
evidence of that.




There's nothing to suggest that Martin started the altercation.

--------------------------------

Zimmerman's nose provides a clue.


No, it doesn't.

"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
m...

On 7/24/13 9:30 AM, Eisboch wrote:




There's nothing to suggest that Martin started the altercation.

--------------------------------

Zimmerman's nose provides a clue.


No, it doesn't.

----------------------------------------

Sorry. I forgot that earlier this month you postulated the theory
that Zimmerman's wounds were self-inflicted, ostensibly to mask his
vigilante style scheme to stalk, attack and shoot a black male in his
neighborhood because of his racist hatred of blacks in general. I
suppose the protest he organized a year prior in support of the black
homeless guy mistreated by the police and his tutoring of young black
kids was all part of this master plan to get away with murder when the
opportunity presented itself. He must have also convinced his gym
trainer not to significantly improve his fighting skills and offered
help to neighbors whose houses were broken into ... all part of a
masterful, well conceived plot.

More information is becoming available to the public regarding the
backgrounds and character profiles of both Zimmerman and Martin. Of
course there are those who will never acknowledge that maybe they were
wrong in their judgments, but the truth will eventually become
unavoidable.

Zimmerman broke no laws. He was getting the crap beaten out of him
and feared for his life. Under self-defense laws he was justified in
using deadly force, a conclusion that the jury also found to be
appropriate.

In article ,
says...

"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
m...

On 7/24/13 8:43 AM, Eisboch wrote:


"iBoaterer" wrote in message
...


"Common sense" would have had Zimmerman staying in his car and wait
for
the police, like the dispatcher suggested, and like the police's
representative told them at the neighborhood watch meeting, and like
the
pamphlets handed out also stated.

----------------------------------------

I agree with you .... except for the part about the dispatcher
"suggesting" that he stay in his car. That didn't happen.
Zimmerman was already out of his car, prompted by the dispatcher's
question, "Where is he"? When told "we don't need you to do
that",
Zimmerman replied "Ok" and attempted to return to his car,
according to
his account.

The rest I agree with. Only thing is, nothing he did was illegal
and
there's nothing to suggest that Zimmerman physically threatened
Martin
or attacked him . If you and others have concluded in your
imaginations that he did, so be it but there is absolutely zero
evidence of that.




There's nothing to suggest that Martin started the altercation.

--------------------------------

Zimmerman's nose provides a clue.

Wait a second, a scratch or a wound or whatever on Zimmerman's nose
concludes somehow that Martin STARTED the altercation? How so?

On 7/24/13 10:08 AM, Eisboch wrote:


"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
m...

On 7/24/13 9:30 AM, Eisboch wrote:




There's nothing to suggest that Martin started the altercation.

--------------------------------

Zimmerman's nose provides a clue.


No, it doesn't.

----------------------------------------

Sorry. I forgot that earlier this month you postulated the theory that
Zimmerman's wounds were self-inflicted, ostensibly to mask his vigilante
style scheme to stalk, attack and shoot a black male in his neighborhood
because of his racist hatred of blacks in general. I suppose the
protest he organized a year prior in support of the black homeless guy
mistreated by the police and his tutoring of young black kids was all
part of this master plan to get away with murder when the opportunity
presented itself. He must have also convinced his gym trainer not to
significantly improve his fighting skills and offered help to neighbors
whose houses were broken into ... all part of a masterful, well
conceived plot.

More information is becoming available to the public regarding the
backgrounds and character profiles of both Zimmerman and Martin. Of
course there are those who will never acknowledge that maybe they were
wrong in their judgments, but the truth will eventually become unavoidable.

Zimmerman broke no laws. He was getting the crap beaten out of him and
feared for his life. Under self-defense laws he was justified in using
deadly force, a conclusion that the jury also found to be appropriate.


Your comment postulated that Zimmerman's nose injury indicated Martin
started the fight. There's nothing on which to base that. Zimmerman
might well have punched Martin first, and Martin then might have punched
Zimmerman in the nose.

On 7/24/13 10:08 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
m...

On 7/24/13 8:43 AM, Eisboch wrote:


"iBoaterer" wrote in message
...


"Common sense" would have had Zimmerman staying in his car and wait
for
the police, like the dispatcher suggested, and like the police's
representative told them at the neighborhood watch meeting, and like
the
pamphlets handed out also stated.

----------------------------------------

I agree with you .... except for the part about the dispatcher
"suggesting" that he stay in his car. That didn't happen.
Zimmerman was already out of his car, prompted by the dispatcher's
question, "Where is he"? When told "we don't need you to do
that",
Zimmerman replied "Ok" and attempted to return to his car,
according to
his account.

The rest I agree with. Only thing is, nothing he did was illegal
and
there's nothing to suggest that Zimmerman physically threatened
Martin
or attacked him . If you and others have concluded in your
imaginations that he did, so be it but there is absolutely zero
evidence of that.




There's nothing to suggest that Martin started the altercation.

--------------------------------

Zimmerman's nose provides a clue.

Wait a second, a scratch or a wound or whatever on Zimmerman's nose
concludes somehow that Martin STARTED the altercation? How so?


It doesn't.

In article ,
says...

On Wed, 24 Jul 2013 08:14:55 -0400, iBoaterer
wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Tue, 23 Jul 2013 15:41:35 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

Yeah, he didn't say "black kid." BFD. He saw a kid walking through the
neighborhood, the kid was black, and Zimmerman therefore thought he was
about to commit a crime.

He was a stranger INSIDE the fence of a gated community. This was not
a public street.

Then what were the police doing there, they would have no jurisdiction.

Why do you think the police have no "jurisdiction" on private
property?

If an invited guest of a homeowner doesn't have the right to be there,
neither would a cop.

In article ,
says...

On Wed, 24 Jul 2013 09:14:59 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

I agree with you .... except for the part about the dispatcher
"suggesting" that he stay in his car. That didn't happen.
Zimmerman was already out of his car, prompted by the dispatcher's
question, "Where is he"? When told "we don't need you to do that",
Zimmerman replied "Ok" and attempted to return to his car, according to
his account.

The rest I agree with. Only thing is, nothing he did was illegal and
there's nothing to suggest that Zimmerman physically threatened Martin
or attacked him . If you and others have concluded in your
imaginations that he did, so be it but there is absolutely zero
evidence of that.




There's nothing to suggest that Martin started the altercation.

His girlfriend even thinks Martin hit Zimmerman first and she was the
closest thing to a witness the state had.,

Incredible!!!! Ripped apart about everything she said that was pro-
Martin, but anything she said that might be construed as helping
Zimmerman is exactly correct and to the point.....

On 7/24/2013 11:43 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 24 Jul 2013 09:14:59 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

I agree with you .... except for the part about the dispatcher
"suggesting" that he stay in his car. That didn't happen.
Zimmerman was already out of his car, prompted by the dispatcher's
question, "Where is he"? When told "we don't need you to do that",
Zimmerman replied "Ok" and attempted to return to his car, according to
his account.

The rest I agree with. Only thing is, nothing he did was illegal and
there's nothing to suggest that Zimmerman physically threatened Martin
or attacked him . If you and others have concluded in your
imaginations that he did, so be it but there is absolutely zero
evidence of that.




There's nothing to suggest that Martin started the altercation.

His girlfriend even thinks Martin hit Zimmerman first and she was the
closest thing to a witness the state had.,


That "theory" came to light right before the trial. That "theory" had
never been discussed or mentioned by that witness until she had to
testify in court and of course being no evidence at all to back up her
theory, it was shot down quickly by the defense. The jury could see a
young girl trying to help her friends and do what Sharpton and all told
her to do..

On 7/24/2013 10:11 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 7/24/13 10:08 AM, Eisboch wrote:


"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
m...

On 7/24/13 9:30 AM, Eisboch wrote:




There's nothing to suggest that Martin started the altercation.

--------------------------------

Zimmerman's nose provides a clue.


No, it doesn't.

----------------------------------------

Sorry. I forgot that earlier this month you postulated the theory that
Zimmerman's wounds were self-inflicted, ostensibly to mask his vigilante
style scheme to stalk, attack and shoot a black male in his neighborhood
because of his racist hatred of blacks in general. I suppose the
protest he organized a year prior in support of the black homeless guy
mistreated by the police and his tutoring of young black kids was all
part of this master plan to get away with murder when the opportunity
presented itself. He must have also convinced his gym trainer not to
significantly improve his fighting skills and offered help to neighbors
whose houses were broken into ... all part of a masterful, well
conceived plot.

More information is becoming available to the public regarding the
backgrounds and character profiles of both Zimmerman and Martin. Of
course there are those who will never acknowledge that maybe they were
wrong in their judgments, but the truth will eventually become
unavoidable.

Zimmerman broke no laws. He was getting the crap beaten out of him and
feared for his life. Under self-defense laws he was justified in using
deadly force, a conclusion that the jury also found to be appropriate.


Your comment postulated that Zimmerman's nose injury indicated Martin
started the fight. There's nothing on which to base that. Zimmerman
might well have punched Martin first, and Martin then might have punched
Zimmerman in the nose.


What would he have punched martin with? The back of his head, or his nose?