Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 19 Jul 2013 13:15:12 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

We could have helped out the city of Detroit, but we blew those
trillions on Iraq and Afghanistan.
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Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day. Teach a man to fish and
he will eat for the rest of his life.

How do you propose fixing Detroit's issues for the long term? They
could blow through a trillion or two in no time at all. The auto
industry is not coming back any time soon and that is what built
Detroit in the first place. I know people in upstate NY who are
still waiting for the paper and carpet making industies to come back,
and they started leaving over 60 years ago.
The unions made them uncompetitive.

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says...

On Fri, 19 Jul 2013 13:15:12 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

We could have helped out the city of Detroit, but we blew those
trillions on Iraq and Afghanistan.

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Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day. Teach a man to fish and
he will eat for the rest of his life.

How do you propose fixing Detroit's issues for the long term? They
could blow through a trillion or two in no time at all. The auto
industry is not coming back any time soon and that is what built
Detroit in the first place. I know people in upstate NY who are
still waiting for the paper and carpet making industies to come back,
and they started leaving over 60 years ago.

Necessity is the mother of invention. In my opinion, they need to get
off of their asses, quit thinking in the union/government will take care
of me mode, and DO SOMETHING. One thing that will help tremendously is
if people will start buying American again. I really liked the series
ABC Evening News was doing on buying American. I am surprised that so
far, WalMart hasn't seen the value in stocking items made in America and
advertising such. As far as the car industry, I think that the U.S. is
lagging behind partially because of nitwit non-thinkers not embracing
new technologies. Just like when tractors started appearing on the farm
landscape, a lot of farmers were just totally against that, saying their
horses worked fine. They soon got left in the dust.

F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 7/19/13 12:46 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
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says...

On Fri, 19 Jul 2013 08:06:31 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRofS...ature=youtu.be


Lewis Black responds to Rick Perry's attempts to steal businesses from
other states, especially New York.

"**** you, Texas!"


I doubt a business owner who is being bled dry with the taxes, closed
shop laws and burdened with unnecessary regulations really does not
care what Lewis Black or a bunch of foul mouthed New Yorkers have to
say.

Detroit was saying the same thing 25 years ago and look at them now.

Detroit's problems stem from an auto industry that at the time put
profit before quality.


We could have helped out the city of Detroit, but we blew those
trillions on Iraq and Afghanistan.
And your personal contribution was...zero.

On Fri, 19 Jul 2013 12:46:32 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Fri, 19 Jul 2013 08:06:31 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRofS...ature=youtu.be


Lewis Black responds to Rick Perry's attempts to steal businesses from
other states, especially New York.

"**** you, Texas!"


I doubt a business owner who is being bled dry with the taxes, closed
shop laws and burdened with unnecessary regulations really does not
care what Lewis Black or a bunch of foul mouthed New Yorkers have to
say.

Detroit was saying the same thing 25 years ago and look at them now.

Detroit's problems stem from an auto industry that at the time put
profit before quality.

....and a half century of Democratic leadership (?)!

John (Gun Nut) H.
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Hope you're having a great day!

On 7/19/13 3:55 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 19 Jul 2013 12:46:32 -0400, iBoaterer
wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Fri, 19 Jul 2013 08:06:31 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRofS...ature=youtu.be


Lewis Black responds to Rick Perry's attempts to steal businesses from
other states, especially New York.

"**** you, Texas!"


I doubt a business owner who is being bled dry with the taxes, closed
shop laws and burdened with unnecessary regulations really does not
care what Lewis Black or a bunch of foul mouthed New Yorkers have to
say.

Detroit was saying the same thing 25 years ago and look at them now.

Detroit's problems stem from an auto industry that at the time put
profit before quality.

The auto industry killed itself by bowing to UAW demands You can't
have mediocre employees building ****ty cars for $75 an hour and
survive. When they moved to right to work states where they could fire
non-performing employees and pay a market wage, they recovered.

Detroit failed because all the actual working people left and their
tax base evaporated. They were left with hugh pension obligations from
the public service unions and that money left immediately too, because
all of those retired cops and firemen live here in the south

That is the point Texas is making



The point Texas is making is that it is easy pickings for employers who
want to exploit the work force and the environment and families. "Come
on down to the state of the stupid, where you can run your business
pretty much anyway you want. No real rules here."

In article ,
says...

On Fri, 19 Jul 2013 15:58:51 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 7/19/13 3:55 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 19 Jul 2013 12:46:32 -0400, iBoaterer
wrote:


The auto industry killed itself by bowing to UAW demands You can't
have mediocre employees building ****ty cars for $75 an hour and
survive. When they moved to right to work states where they could fire
non-performing employees and pay a market wage, they recovered.

Detroit failed because all the actual working people left and their
tax base evaporated. They were left with hugh pension obligations from
the public service unions and that money left immediately too, because
all of those retired cops and firemen live here in the south

That is the point Texas is making



The point Texas is making is that it is easy pickings for employers who
want to exploit the work force and the environment and families. "Come
on down to the state of the stupid, where you can run your business
pretty much anyway you want. No real rules here."

Sounds like a convincing argument to move there to me.

Yes, "the state of stupid" WOULD appeal to quite a few.

In article ,
says...

On Fri, 19 Jul 2013 12:46:32 -0400, iBoaterer
wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Fri, 19 Jul 2013 08:06:31 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRofS...ature=youtu.be


Lewis Black responds to Rick Perry's attempts to steal businesses from
other states, especially New York.

"**** you, Texas!"


I doubt a business owner who is being bled dry with the taxes, closed
shop laws and burdened with unnecessary regulations really does not
care what Lewis Black or a bunch of foul mouthed New Yorkers have to
say.

Detroit was saying the same thing 25 years ago and look at them now.

Detroit's problems stem from an auto industry that at the time put
profit before quality.

The auto industry killed itself by bowing to UAW demands You can't
have mediocre employees building ****ty cars for $75 an hour and
survive. When they moved to right to work states where they could fire
non-performing employees and pay a market wage, they recovered.

Detroit failed because all the actual working people left and their
tax base evaporated. They were left with hugh pension obligations from
the public service unions and that money left immediately too, because
all of those retired cops and firemen live here in the south

That is the point Texas is making

You must not remember the cars of the later part of the '70's and the
80's. That's when the U.S. built junk, and the Japanese pounced.

On 7/20/2013 1:45 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 19 Jul 2013 16:42:13 -0400, iBoaterer
wrote:

In article ,
says...


The auto industry killed itself by bowing to UAW demands You can't
have mediocre employees building ****ty cars for $75 an hour and
survive. When they moved to right to work states where they could fire
non-performing employees and pay a market wage, they recovered.

Detroit failed because all the actual working people left and their
tax base evaporated. They were left with hugh pension obligations from
the public service unions and that money left immediately too, because
all of those retired cops and firemen live here in the south

That is the point Texas is making

You must not remember the cars of the later part of the '70's and the
80's. That's when the U.S. built junk, and the Japanese pounced.

I absolutely remember the cars of the 70s (by the mid 80s they were
actually starting to get a little better). It wasn't just the 70s. US
cars were always junk.

I also remember you still had overpaid UAW people joking about leaving
a Coke can in a car door to drive the rich ******* who bought the car
crazy.
Johnny Cash was in the top 10 with "one piece at a time".
At the same time Japan was starting six sigma programs and quality
circles, building cars that lasted 200,000 miles.

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On 7/19/13 12:04 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 19 Jul 2013 08:06:31 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRofS...ature=youtu.be


Lewis Black responds to Rick Perry's attempts to steal businesses from
other states, especially New York.

"**** you, Texas!"


I doubt a business owner who is being bled dry with the taxes, closed
shop laws and burdened with unnecessary regulations really does not
care what Lewis Black or a bunch of foul mouthed New Yorkers have to
say.

Detroit was saying the same thing 25 years ago and look at them now.



Texas is a societal, environmental and, unless you are rich, medical
health hole, a state where pride in lack of regulation hurts ordinary
people. It's the Wal-Mart of states, and it is on the attack on women.

On 7/19/2013 1:24 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 7/19/13 12:04 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 19 Jul 2013 08:06:31 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRofS...ature=youtu.be


Lewis Black responds to Rick Perry's attempts to steal businesses from
other states, especially New York.

"**** you, Texas!"


I doubt a business owner who is being bled dry with the taxes, closed
shop laws and burdened with unnecessary regulations really does not
care what Lewis Black or a bunch of foul mouthed New Yorkers have to
say.

Detroit was saying the same thing 25 years ago and look at them now.



Texas is a societal, environmental and, unless you are rich, medical
health hole, a state where pride in lack of regulation hurts ordinary
people. It's the Wal-Mart of states, and it is on the attack on women.


If you care about women, Harry, why do you treat them so shabbily?