On Tue, 25 Jun 2013 16:32:43 -0400, Hank© wrote:

On 6/25/2013 2:54 PM, John H wrote:
On Tue, 25 Jun 2013 13:46:34 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 6/25/13 1:26 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
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On 6/25/13 11:18 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 25 Jun 2013 09:29:37 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Mon, 24 Jun 2013 20:39:59 -0400, Earl wrote:

John H wrote:
...and my wife, the *real* gun nut, chose this:

http://tinyurl.com/3mbx4ao

She likes it much better. So do I. Gotta give her credit.

John (Gun Nut) H.
I'm looking hard at this one...

http://www.coonaninc.com/index.php/cPath,5

Beautiful gun. You could take on an armored division with it. Why a
.357?

John (Gun Nut) H.

.357 gives you a performance advantage over the .45 and 9mm.
10mm/.40 closed that gap.



A performance advantage? Funny stuff.

Shot a "10" one afternoon at the range. Just bloody awful. Don't like
.40 S&W much, either. Do like the .367 mag in an S&W 27-2.

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I know very little about comparisons of different kinds of ammo and even
less about how to judge their "performance".
Terms like "stopping power" really don't mean much, IMO, because there
are so many other factors involved.

However, from basic physics, energy equals mass times velocity
squared. Some smart German guy figured that out. So, the velocity of
a round has much more to do with the resultant imparted energy than the
mass of the slug, assuming they are somewhat similar. The table in the
provided link indicates that a typical .357 round has a much higher
muzzle velocity than a typical 45 round. So, if the German guy is
right, the energy on the target is higher with the 357.




Oh, I am aware of the different properties of some different rounds, but
in shooting paper targets at a typical range distance, it doesn't matter
much to me. Perhaps the original poster is talking about the ability to
pierce and destroy flesh?

Why shoot anything bigger than a .22, if your goal is only to put targets in paper?

Why sell the cheap 9mm and buy a .45? Are you thinking of destroying flesh, or just putting pencil
sized holes in paper?

John (Gun Nut) H.


Interesting question. I'm looking forward to hearing his answer.

Krause doesn't like the hard questions. That's why he purports to have me filtered.

John (Gun Nut) H.
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Hope you're having a great day!

John H wrote:
On Mon, 24 Jun 2013 20:39:59 -0400, Earl wrote:

John H wrote:
...and my wife, the *real* gun nut, chose this:

http://tinyurl.com/3mbx4ao

She likes it much better. So do I. Gotta give her credit.

John (Gun Nut) H.
I'm looking hard at this one...

http://www.coonaninc.com/index.php/cPath,5
Beautiful gun. You could take on an armored division with it. Why a .357?

John (Gun Nut) H.
Why not? It comes with a .38 recoil spring for lighter use!

On 6/26/13 1:59 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 25 Jun 2013 11:25:18 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 6/25/13 11:18 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 25 Jun 2013 09:29:37 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Mon, 24 Jun 2013 20:39:59 -0400, Earl wrote:

John H wrote:
...and my wife, the *real* gun nut, chose this:

http://tinyurl.com/3mbx4ao

She likes it much better. So do I. Gotta give her credit.

John (Gun Nut) H.
I'm looking hard at this one...

http://www.coonaninc.com/index.php/cPath,5

Beautiful gun. You could take on an armored division with it. Why a .357?

John (Gun Nut) H.

.357 gives you a performance advantage over the .45 and 9mm.
10mm/.40 closed that gap.



A performance advantage? Funny stuff.

Shot a "10" one afternoon at the range. Just bloody awful. Don't like
.40 S&W much, either. Do like the .357 mag in an S&W 27-2.

The 10mm can get you over 600 ft/lbs ME as will a .357
The 9mm, even in the +P loads are almost half that at around 360 and
the .45 +P squeaks out close to 500.

There used to be a big advantage in the bullets you could use in a
wheel gun but these days they have high performance bullets for SAs so
it just gets down to what you can load in the case and what SAAMI will
bless.



Wow...I could knock those empty sodapop cans over with more force!

On 6/26/2013 6:40 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 6/26/13 1:59 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 25 Jun 2013 11:25:18 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 6/25/13 11:18 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 25 Jun 2013 09:29:37 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Mon, 24 Jun 2013 20:39:59 -0400, Earl wrote:

John H wrote:
...and my wife, the *real* gun nut, chose this:

http://tinyurl.com/3mbx4ao

She likes it much better. So do I. Gotta give her credit.

John (Gun Nut) H.
I'm looking hard at this one...

http://www.coonaninc.com/index.php/cPath,5

Beautiful gun. You could take on an armored division with it. Why a
.357?

John (Gun Nut) H.

.357 gives you a performance advantage over the .45 and 9mm.
10mm/.40 closed that gap.



A performance advantage? Funny stuff.

Shot a "10" one afternoon at the range. Just bloody awful. Don't like
.40 S&W much, either. Do like the .357 mag in an S&W 27-2.

The 10mm can get you over 600 ft/lbs ME as will a .357
The 9mm, even in the +P loads are almost half that at around 360 and
the .45 +P squeaks out close to 500.

There used to be a big advantage in the bullets you could use in a
wheel gun but these days they have high performance bullets for SAs so
it just gets down to what you can load in the case and what SAAMI will
bless.



Wow...I could knock those empty sodapop cans over with more force!

What advantage does your 45 have over the 9s that you had so lovingly
tweaked, and bragged about frequently.

On 6/26/13 11:58 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 26 Jun 2013 06:40:31 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 6/26/13 1:59 AM, wrote:

A performance advantage? Funny stuff.

Shot a "10" one afternoon at the range. Just bloody awful. Don't like
.40 S&W much, either. Do like the .357 mag in an S&W 27-2.

The 10mm can get you over 600 ft/lbs ME as will a .357
The 9mm, even in the +P loads are almost half that at around 360 and
the .45 +P squeaks out close to 500.

There used to be a big advantage in the bullets you could use in a
wheel gun but these days they have high performance bullets for SAs so
it just gets down to what you can load in the case and what SAAMI will
bless.



Wow...I could knock those empty sodapop cans over with more force!

Like John says, if you are just poking holes in paper or plinking
cans, maybe a .22 is more appropriate ... or maybe a BB gun.

They make some real nice CO2 guns these days and a lot of people like
Air Soft guns.
My dad made a BB gun range on the basement when I was about 10.
It used an old piece of carpet as a backstop with a stick of "K"
gutter under it that recycled the BBs quite well. They collected in a
bucket at the end.



Your error is in buying into Herring's explanation of why I buy or sell
anything. I stated I bought the .45 ACP revolver because I long wanted a
..45 double action revolver, not because I wanted to shoot it at the
range or use it as a carry weapon or even as a household defense weapon.

I have firearms more than adequate for paper and can plinking, including
a cherry Ruger Mark III with fancy wood grips, a sight rail and a red
dot sight I occasionally use.

On Tue, 25 Jun 2013 20:45:14 -0400, Earl wrote:

John H wrote:
On Mon, 24 Jun 2013 20:39:59 -0400, Earl wrote:

John H wrote:
...and my wife, the *real* gun nut, chose this:

http://tinyurl.com/3mbx4ao

She likes it much better. So do I. Gotta give her credit.

John (Gun Nut) H.
I'm looking hard at this one...

http://www.coonaninc.com/index.php/cPath,5
Beautiful gun. You could take on an armored division with it. Why a .357?

John (Gun Nut) H.
Why not? It comes with a .38 recoil spring for lighter use!

Yeah, you're right. I fire .38s in my revolver all the time. The .357's are too expensive.

John (Gun Nut) H.
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Hope you're having a great day!

On Wed, 26 Jun 2013 01:39:30 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 25 Jun 2013 11:25:13 -0400, John H
wrote:

Beautiful gun. You could take on an armored division with it. Why a .357?

John (Gun Nut) H.

.357 gives you a performance advantage over the .45 and 9mm.
10mm/.40 closed that gap.

I know, I've got one, a revolver. I guess if I lived down there I'd want something that'd kill
pythons and boas on the first shot.


They usually use shotguns with bird shot (7 1/2 or 8)

It might be tough hitting a moving snake with a handgun. You really
don't want one of them to bite you. There is no venom but they do have
a mouth full of backward facing teeth.

I've seen the pictures. Horrendous looking monster mouths. I'd want an M-79 with a buckshot round.

John (Gun Nut) H.
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Hope you're having a great day!

On Wed, 26 Jun 2013 12:41:08 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 6/26/13 11:58 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 26 Jun 2013 06:40:31 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 6/26/13 1:59 AM, wrote:

A performance advantage? Funny stuff.

Shot a "10" one afternoon at the range. Just bloody awful. Don't like
.40 S&W much, either. Do like the .357 mag in an S&W 27-2.

The 10mm can get you over 600 ft/lbs ME as will a .357
The 9mm, even in the +P loads are almost half that at around 360 and
the .45 +P squeaks out close to 500.

There used to be a big advantage in the bullets you could use in a
wheel gun but these days they have high performance bullets for SAs so
it just gets down to what you can load in the case and what SAAMI will
bless.



Wow...I could knock those empty sodapop cans over with more force!

Like John says, if you are just poking holes in paper or plinking
cans, maybe a .22 is more appropriate ... or maybe a BB gun.

They make some real nice CO2 guns these days and a lot of people like
Air Soft guns.
My dad made a BB gun range on the basement when I was about 10.
It used an old piece of carpet as a backstop with a stick of "K"
gutter under it that recycled the BBs quite well. They collected in a
bucket at the end.



Your error is in buying into Herring's explanation of why I buy or sell
anything. I stated I bought the .45 ACP revolver because I long wanted a
.45 double action revolver, not because I wanted to shoot it at the
range or use it as a carry weapon or even as a household defense weapon.

I have firearms more than adequate for paper and can plinking, including
a cherry Ruger Mark III with fancy wood grips, a sight rail and a red
dot sight I occasionally use.

Wow, I think you've got the best of everything. Cool!

John (Gun Nut) H.
--

Hope you're having a great day!

On 6/26/13 1:39 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 26 Jun 2013 13:01:38 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Wed, 26 Jun 2013 01:39:30 -0400, wrote:



I know, I've got one, a revolver. I guess if I lived down there I'd want something that'd kill
pythons and boas on the first shot.


They usually use shotguns with bird shot (7 1/2 or 8)

It might be tough hitting a moving snake with a handgun. You really
don't want one of them to bite you. There is no venom but they do have
a mouth full of backward facing teeth.

I've seen the pictures. Horrendous looking monster mouths. I'd want an M-79 with a buckshot round.


My son in law has been out there with the hunters as the SFWMD
observer. He says the hardest part is finding them in the first place
and when you see it, you have to figure out which end is which since
you just see a little part of the body most of the time
They usually just shoot the part they see and get ready for a quick
follow up shot when they see the head.

The hard core rednecks will catch them alive and wrestle them down but
that is not the typical "guv'mint" hunter unless it is a herpetologist
doing a study..



Do they eat them, too? Do they taste like...chicken?

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On Wed, 26 Jun 2013 06:40:31 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:


Wow...I could knock those empty sodapop cans over with more force!

Like John says, if you are just poking holes in paper or plinking
cans, maybe a .22 is more appropriate ... or maybe a BB gun.

They make some real nice CO2 guns these days and a lot of people like
Air Soft guns.
My dad made a BB gun range on the basement when I was about 10.
It used an old piece of carpet as a backstop with a stick of "K"
gutter under it that recycled the BBs quite well. They collected in a
bucket at the end.

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I bought a Ruger air rifle to "plink" in my yard. It's a one pump
pellet type. Muzzle velocity with regular pellets is 1,250 fps.
Using the lightweight alloy pellets it is 1,400 fps. Accurate as
hell too. Not a single can has survived. Only problem is it's as
loud or louder than my .22LR Ruger single 10 revolver because the
exiting pellet is supersonic and you get the "crack" as the sound
barrier is breeched.

I bought it to shoot on my property without making any neighbors
nervous, but it's loud enough to probably catch their attention. No
complaints so far though.