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On 6/10/13 8:28 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
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The F-150 Lightening was a Porsche killer.

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You're dreaming. The last year Ford built the Lightning, it had
impressive performance numbers in the quarter mile, but that's not
what a Porsche is all about. But, for the record:

2001 Ford F-150 Lightning 0-60 mph 5.1 Quarter mile 13.7
2001 Porsche 911 Turbo 0-60 mph 3.8 Quarter mile 12.1

Now, take them off the track and onto the streets and there's no
contest at all. The Porsche will surefoot around corners and bends in
the road that would cause the Lightning to climb up a tree.

I had a 2001 Porsche 911 Twin Turbo. Finest engineered car I've ever
driven, and I've had a few.

Load the Porsche full of gravel and go up a steep dirt road and see
which one prevails!



No one would load either vehicle up with gravel. The Lightning was a
pick-me-up truck in name only, far too fancy for the workaday world. I
took a Lightning out for a demo when I decided to trade in my
SplashTruck. In those days, it didn't even have the tow capacity of the
"regular" F150, which is what I ended up getting. Oh, and if memory
serves, the Lighting had much lower ground clearance than the regular
F150, too. Loaded with gravel and going up a steep bumpy dirt road would
have been death for that truck.

Not true at all, the Lighting was a damned good combo work/play truck,
and the "ground clearance" was not much different than any F-150. It was
lowered only one inch from a base 150. Towing is about the same as the
base 150 as well.

On 6/10/13 9:51 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
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On 6/10/13 8:28 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
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"BAR" wrote in message
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The F-150 Lightening was a Porsche killer.

---------------------------------------------

You're dreaming. The last year Ford built the Lightning, it had
impressive performance numbers in the quarter mile, but that's not
what a Porsche is all about. But, for the record:

2001 Ford F-150 Lightning 0-60 mph 5.1 Quarter mile 13.7
2001 Porsche 911 Turbo 0-60 mph 3.8 Quarter mile 12.1

Now, take them off the track and onto the streets and there's no
contest at all. The Porsche will surefoot around corners and bends in
the road that would cause the Lightning to climb up a tree.

I had a 2001 Porsche 911 Twin Turbo. Finest engineered car I've ever
driven, and I've had a few.

Load the Porsche full of gravel and go up a steep dirt road and see
which one prevails!



No one would load either vehicle up with gravel. The Lightning was a
pick-me-up truck in name only, far too fancy for the workaday world. I
took a Lightning out for a demo when I decided to trade in my
SplashTruck. In those days, it didn't even have the tow capacity of the
"regular" F150, which is what I ended up getting. Oh, and if memory
serves, the Lighting had much lower ground clearance than the regular
F150, too. Loaded with gravel and going up a steep bumpy dirt road would
have been death for that truck.

Not true at all, the Lighting was a damned good combo work/play truck,
and the "ground clearance" was not much different than any F-150. It was
lowered only one inch from a base 150. Towing is about the same as the
base 150 as well.


Since you have no idea what F150 I bought and probably not the model
year, either, your claims are not applicable. When I was shopping for a
new "full size" pickup, the Lightning did not match up to the towing or
height specifications of the F150 I bought. Period.

"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
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On 6/10/13 9:51 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
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On 6/10/13 8:28 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
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"BAR" wrote in message
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The F-150 Lightening was a Porsche killer.

---------------------------------------------

You're dreaming. The last year Ford built the Lightning, it had
impressive performance numbers in the quarter mile, but that's
not
what a Porsche is all about. But, for the record:

2001 Ford F-150 Lightning 0-60 mph 5.1 Quarter mile 13.7
2001 Porsche 911 Turbo 0-60 mph 3.8 Quarter mile 12.1

Now, take them off the track and onto the streets and there's no
contest at all. The Porsche will surefoot around corners and
bends in
the road that would cause the Lightning to climb up a tree.

I had a 2001 Porsche 911 Twin Turbo. Finest engineered car I've
ever
driven, and I've had a few.

Load the Porsche full of gravel and go up a steep dirt road and
see
which one prevails!



No one would load either vehicle up with gravel. The Lightning was
a
pick-me-up truck in name only, far too fancy for the workaday
world. I
took a Lightning out for a demo when I decided to trade in my
SplashTruck. In those days, it didn't even have the tow capacity of
the
"regular" F150, which is what I ended up getting. Oh, and if memory
serves, the Lighting had much lower ground clearance than the
regular
F150, too. Loaded with gravel and going up a steep bumpy dirt road
would
have been death for that truck.

Not true at all, the Lighting was a damned good combo work/play
truck,
and the "ground clearance" was not much different than any F-150. It
was
lowered only one inch from a base 150. Towing is about the same as
the
base 150 as well.


Since you have no idea what F150 I bought and probably not the model
year, either, your claims are not applicable. When I was shopping for
a
new "full size" pickup, the Lightning did not match up to the towing
or
height specifications of the F150 I bought. Period.

----------------------------------

Some of my replies have been in error. Indeed, the Lightning *does*
have a towing capacity of 5,000 lbs although I remember when the
supercharged version first came out it was not recommended.

There have been three generations of it. The original was not
supercharged. It had the 351W "truck" engine that was highly
modified.
The supercharged 5.8L versions came later. But, going back to the
original issue, you simply can't compare a pickup truck regardless of
how "fast" it is with a high performance sports car like a Porsche
911. Two completely different animals. My point about the Porsche
is that it's not simply designed to go fast. It also is designed to
stop and handle in world class competition. The Lightning is a
unique, fun truck but it's not in the same league from a standpoint of
total performance.

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"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
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On 6/10/13 9:51 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
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On 6/10/13 8:28 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
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"BAR" wrote in message
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The F-150 Lightening was a Porsche killer.

---------------------------------------------

You're dreaming. The last year Ford built the Lightning, it had
impressive performance numbers in the quarter mile, but that's
not
what a Porsche is all about. But, for the record:

2001 Ford F-150 Lightning 0-60 mph 5.1 Quarter mile 13.7
2001 Porsche 911 Turbo 0-60 mph 3.8 Quarter mile 12.1

Now, take them off the track and onto the streets and there's no
contest at all. The Porsche will surefoot around corners and
bends in
the road that would cause the Lightning to climb up a tree.

I had a 2001 Porsche 911 Twin Turbo. Finest engineered car I've
ever
driven, and I've had a few.

Load the Porsche full of gravel and go up a steep dirt road and
see
which one prevails!



No one would load either vehicle up with gravel. The Lightning was
a
pick-me-up truck in name only, far too fancy for the workaday
world. I
took a Lightning out for a demo when I decided to trade in my
SplashTruck. In those days, it didn't even have the tow capacity of
the
"regular" F150, which is what I ended up getting. Oh, and if memory
serves, the Lighting had much lower ground clearance than the
regular
F150, too. Loaded with gravel and going up a steep bumpy dirt road
would
have been death for that truck.

Not true at all, the Lighting was a damned good combo work/play
truck,
and the "ground clearance" was not much different than any F-150. It
was
lowered only one inch from a base 150. Towing is about the same as
the
base 150 as well.


Since you have no idea what F150 I bought and probably not the model
year, either, your claims are not applicable. When I was shopping for
a
new "full size" pickup, the Lightning did not match up to the towing
or
height specifications of the F150 I bought. Period.

----------------------------------

Some of my replies have been in error. Indeed, the Lightning *does*
have a towing capacity of 5,000 lbs although I remember when the
supercharged version first came out it was not recommended.

There have been three generations of it. The original was not
supercharged. It had the 351W "truck" engine that was highly
modified.
The supercharged 5.8L versions came later. But, going back to the
original issue, you simply can't compare a pickup truck regardless of
how "fast" it is with a high performance sports car like a Porsche
911. Two completely different animals. My point about the Porsche
is that it's not simply designed to go fast. It also is designed to
stop and handle in world class competition. The Lightning is a
unique, fun truck but it's not in the same league from a standpoint of
total performance.

The F-150 Lightening in its latest generation had a supercharged 5.4L V8 putting out 360/380
HP.

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says...

On 6/10/13 9:51 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 6/10/13 8:28 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
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"BAR" wrote in message
. ..


The F-150 Lightening was a Porsche killer.

---------------------------------------------

You're dreaming. The last year Ford built the Lightning, it had
impressive performance numbers in the quarter mile, but that's not
what a Porsche is all about. But, for the record:

2001 Ford F-150 Lightning 0-60 mph 5.1 Quarter mile 13.7
2001 Porsche 911 Turbo 0-60 mph 3.8 Quarter mile 12.1

Now, take them off the track and onto the streets and there's no
contest at all. The Porsche will surefoot around corners and bends in
the road that would cause the Lightning to climb up a tree.

I had a 2001 Porsche 911 Twin Turbo. Finest engineered car I've ever
driven, and I've had a few.

Load the Porsche full of gravel and go up a steep dirt road and see
which one prevails!



No one would load either vehicle up with gravel. The Lightning was a
pick-me-up truck in name only, far too fancy for the workaday world. I
took a Lightning out for a demo when I decided to trade in my
SplashTruck. In those days, it didn't even have the tow capacity of the
"regular" F150, which is what I ended up getting. Oh, and if memory
serves, the Lighting had much lower ground clearance than the regular
F150, too. Loaded with gravel and going up a steep bumpy dirt road would
have been death for that truck.

Not true at all, the Lighting was a damned good combo work/play truck,
and the "ground clearance" was not much different than any F-150. It was
lowered only one inch from a base 150. Towing is about the same as the
base 150 as well.


Since you have no idea what F150 I bought and probably not the model
year, either, your claims are not applicable. When I was shopping for a
new "full size" pickup, the Lightning did not match up to the towing or
height specifications of the F150 I bought. Period.

Sure they are "applicable". The Lightning was lowered 1", show me
different. As for towing, a towing package was available for the
Lightning just as it was for a standard 150.

On 6/10/13 11:59 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
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On 6/10/13 9:51 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 6/10/13 8:28 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

"BAR" wrote in message
. ..


The F-150 Lightening was a Porsche killer.

---------------------------------------------

You're dreaming. The last year Ford built the Lightning, it had
impressive performance numbers in the quarter mile, but that's not
what a Porsche is all about. But, for the record:

2001 Ford F-150 Lightning 0-60 mph 5.1 Quarter mile 13.7
2001 Porsche 911 Turbo 0-60 mph 3.8 Quarter mile 12.1

Now, take them off the track and onto the streets and there's no
contest at all. The Porsche will surefoot around corners and bends in
the road that would cause the Lightning to climb up a tree.

I had a 2001 Porsche 911 Twin Turbo. Finest engineered car I've ever
driven, and I've had a few.

Load the Porsche full of gravel and go up a steep dirt road and see
which one prevails!



No one would load either vehicle up with gravel. The Lightning was a
pick-me-up truck in name only, far too fancy for the workaday world. I
took a Lightning out for a demo when I decided to trade in my
SplashTruck. In those days, it didn't even have the tow capacity of the
"regular" F150, which is what I ended up getting. Oh, and if memory
serves, the Lighting had much lower ground clearance than the regular
F150, too. Loaded with gravel and going up a steep bumpy dirt road would
have been death for that truck.

Not true at all, the Lighting was a damned good combo work/play truck,
and the "ground clearance" was not much different than any F-150. It was
lowered only one inch from a base 150. Towing is about the same as the
base 150 as well.


Since you have no idea what F150 I bought and probably not the model
year, either, your claims are not applicable. When I was shopping for a
new "full size" pickup, the Lightning did not match up to the towing or
height specifications of the F150 I bought. Period.

Sure they are "applicable". The Lightning was lowered 1", show me
different. As for towing, a towing package was available for the
Lightning just as it was for a standard 150.



Sorry, I have no interest in getting into anything like a
Greg-Iboaterererer 300-post debate that never reaches a conclusion.

In article ,
says...

On 6/10/13 11:59 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 6/10/13 9:51 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 6/10/13 8:28 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

"BAR" wrote in message
. ..


The F-150 Lightening was a Porsche killer.

---------------------------------------------

You're dreaming. The last year Ford built the Lightning, it had
impressive performance numbers in the quarter mile, but that's not
what a Porsche is all about. But, for the record:

2001 Ford F-150 Lightning 0-60 mph 5.1 Quarter mile 13.7
2001 Porsche 911 Turbo 0-60 mph 3.8 Quarter mile 12.1

Now, take them off the track and onto the streets and there's no
contest at all. The Porsche will surefoot around corners and bends in
the road that would cause the Lightning to climb up a tree.

I had a 2001 Porsche 911 Twin Turbo. Finest engineered car I've ever
driven, and I've had a few.

Load the Porsche full of gravel and go up a steep dirt road and see
which one prevails!



No one would load either vehicle up with gravel. The Lightning was a
pick-me-up truck in name only, far too fancy for the workaday world. I
took a Lightning out for a demo when I decided to trade in my
SplashTruck. In those days, it didn't even have the tow capacity of the
"regular" F150, which is what I ended up getting. Oh, and if memory
serves, the Lighting had much lower ground clearance than the regular
F150, too. Loaded with gravel and going up a steep bumpy dirt road would
have been death for that truck.

Not true at all, the Lighting was a damned good combo work/play truck,
and the "ground clearance" was not much different than any F-150. It was
lowered only one inch from a base 150. Towing is about the same as the
base 150 as well.


Since you have no idea what F150 I bought and probably not the model
year, either, your claims are not applicable. When I was shopping for a
new "full size" pickup, the Lightning did not match up to the towing or
height specifications of the F150 I bought. Period.

Sure they are "applicable". The Lightning was lowered 1", show me
different. As for towing, a towing package was available for the
Lightning just as it was for a standard 150.



Sorry, I have no interest in getting into anything like a
Greg-Iboaterererer 300-post debate that never reaches a conclusion.

Right.......

On 6/10/13 12:12 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
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says...

On 6/10/13 11:59 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 6/10/13 9:51 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 6/10/13 8:28 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

"BAR" wrote in message
. ..


The F-150 Lightening was a Porsche killer.

---------------------------------------------

You're dreaming. The last year Ford built the Lightning, it had
impressive performance numbers in the quarter mile, but that's not
what a Porsche is all about. But, for the record:

2001 Ford F-150 Lightning 0-60 mph 5.1 Quarter mile 13.7
2001 Porsche 911 Turbo 0-60 mph 3.8 Quarter mile 12.1

Now, take them off the track and onto the streets and there's no
contest at all. The Porsche will surefoot around corners and bends in
the road that would cause the Lightning to climb up a tree.

I had a 2001 Porsche 911 Twin Turbo. Finest engineered car I've ever
driven, and I've had a few.

Load the Porsche full of gravel and go up a steep dirt road and see
which one prevails!



No one would load either vehicle up with gravel. The Lightning was a
pick-me-up truck in name only, far too fancy for the workaday world. I
took a Lightning out for a demo when I decided to trade in my
SplashTruck. In those days, it didn't even have the tow capacity of the
"regular" F150, which is what I ended up getting. Oh, and if memory
serves, the Lighting had much lower ground clearance than the regular
F150, too. Loaded with gravel and going up a steep bumpy dirt road would
have been death for that truck.

Not true at all, the Lighting was a damned good combo work/play truck,
and the "ground clearance" was not much different than any F-150. It was
lowered only one inch from a base 150. Towing is about the same as the
base 150 as well.


Since you have no idea what F150 I bought and probably not the model
year, either, your claims are not applicable. When I was shopping for a
new "full size" pickup, the Lightning did not match up to the towing or
height specifications of the F150 I bought. Period.

Sure they are "applicable". The Lightning was lowered 1", show me
different. As for towing, a towing package was available for the
Lightning just as it was for a standard 150.



Sorry, I have no interest in getting into anything like a
Greg-Iboaterererer 300-post debate that never reaches a conclusion.

Right.......


Right. Absolutely right. Perhaps you can intrigue Greg with this
discussion and get back to me a few hundred posts later.

In article ,
says...

On 6/10/13 12:12 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 6/10/13 11:59 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 6/10/13 9:51 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 6/10/13 8:28 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

"BAR" wrote in message
. ..


The F-150 Lightening was a Porsche killer.

---------------------------------------------

You're dreaming. The last year Ford built the Lightning, it had
impressive performance numbers in the quarter mile, but that's not
what a Porsche is all about. But, for the record:

2001 Ford F-150 Lightning 0-60 mph 5.1 Quarter mile 13.7
2001 Porsche 911 Turbo 0-60 mph 3.8 Quarter mile 12.1

Now, take them off the track and onto the streets and there's no
contest at all. The Porsche will surefoot around corners and bends in
the road that would cause the Lightning to climb up a tree.

I had a 2001 Porsche 911 Twin Turbo. Finest engineered car I've ever
driven, and I've had a few.

Load the Porsche full of gravel and go up a steep dirt road and see
which one prevails!



No one would load either vehicle up with gravel. The Lightning was a
pick-me-up truck in name only, far too fancy for the workaday world. I
took a Lightning out for a demo when I decided to trade in my
SplashTruck. In those days, it didn't even have the tow capacity of the
"regular" F150, which is what I ended up getting. Oh, and if memory
serves, the Lighting had much lower ground clearance than the regular
F150, too. Loaded with gravel and going up a steep bumpy dirt road would
have been death for that truck.

Not true at all, the Lighting was a damned good combo work/play truck,
and the "ground clearance" was not much different than any F-150. It was
lowered only one inch from a base 150. Towing is about the same as the
base 150 as well.


Since you have no idea what F150 I bought and probably not the model
year, either, your claims are not applicable. When I was shopping for a
new "full size" pickup, the Lightning did not match up to the towing or
height specifications of the F150 I bought. Period.

Sure they are "applicable". The Lightning was lowered 1", show me
different. As for towing, a towing package was available for the
Lightning just as it was for a standard 150.



Sorry, I have no interest in getting into anything like a
Greg-Iboaterererer 300-post debate that never reaches a conclusion.

Right.......


Right. Absolutely right. Perhaps you can intrigue Greg with this
discussion and get back to me a few hundred posts later.

Yes, everyone knows, you're never wrong, even when you're wrong.

On Monday, 10 June 2013 14:37:15 UTC-3, wrote:
On Mon, 10 Jun 2013 12:23:49 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:



On 6/10/13 12:12 PM, iBoaterer wrote:





Sorry, I have no interest in getting into anything like a

Greg-Iboaterererer 300-post debate that never reaches a conclusion.



Right.......





Right. Absolutely right. Perhaps you can intrigue Greg with this

discussion and get back to me a few hundred posts later.



No dog in this fight

This is my idea of an F-150 and Porsche drivers feared me.



At least they would not cut me off ;-)



http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Brownie.jpg

Those old pickups sure look puny compared to new models.
We saw an early Tundra (T 100 ??)yesterday and it doesn't look as capable as a new Tacoma.