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With someone more skilled than I am driving it, my motorcycle will blow
the doors off that Ford truck in 0-60 and in the quarter mile and again,
with the right driver, leave that 911 Turbo you had behind, too.

But...not me with driving.

Only in a straight line. A car has more grip in the corners, and has the advantage on the track. You have to turn sooner or later.

Wait, are you saying that a car will out corner a motorcycle? Not true,
the reason being, you are right in thinking because of the amount of
tire contact a car has does give it a greater friction coefficient, you
also have mass to deal with, and simply physics will tell you that a
given mass wants to stay in a straight line, and that mass is MUCH
greater with a car. It's a centrifugal force thing! So, all in all, they
are closer to equal than anything. Motorcycle has less contact patch,
but also less mass.

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On 6/10/13 8:28 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
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The F-150 Lightening was a Porsche killer.

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You're dreaming. The last year Ford built the Lightning, it had
impressive performance numbers in the quarter mile, but that's not
what a Porsche is all about. But, for the record:

2001 Ford F-150 Lightning 0-60 mph 5.1 Quarter mile 13.7
2001 Porsche 911 Turbo 0-60 mph 3.8 Quarter mile 12.1

Now, take them off the track and onto the streets and there's no
contest at all. The Porsche will surefoot around corners and bends
in
the road that would cause the Lightning to climb up a tree.

I had a 2001 Porsche 911 Twin Turbo. Finest engineered car I've
ever
driven, and I've had a few.

Load the Porsche full of gravel and go up a steep dirt road and see
which one prevails!



No one would load either vehicle up with gravel. The Lightning was a
pick-me-up truck in name only, far too fancy for the workaday world. I
took a Lightning out for a demo when I decided to trade in my
SplashTruck. In those days, it didn't even have the tow capacity of
the
"regular" F150, which is what I ended up getting. Oh, and if memory
serves, the Lighting had much lower ground clearance than the regular
F150, too. Loaded with gravel and going up a steep bumpy dirt road
would
have been death for that truck.

-------------------------------------------------

iboaterer just likes to argue anything. It's his purpose in life, I
guess. I also recall that the Lightning was *not* recommended for
towing or hauling anything, primarily because it was supercharged, not
turbo'd. As for loading either of them with gravel to compare how
they would perform .... well, we'll just ignore that.

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On 6/10/13 8:28 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
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"BAR" wrote in message
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The F-150 Lightening was a Porsche killer.

---------------------------------------------

You're dreaming. The last year Ford built the Lightning, it had
impressive performance numbers in the quarter mile, but that's not
what a Porsche is all about. But, for the record:

2001 Ford F-150 Lightning 0-60 mph 5.1 Quarter mile 13.7
2001 Porsche 911 Turbo 0-60 mph 3.8 Quarter mile 12.1

Now, take them off the track and onto the streets and there's no
contest at all. The Porsche will surefoot around corners and bends in
the road that would cause the Lightning to climb up a tree.

I had a 2001 Porsche 911 Twin Turbo. Finest engineered car I've ever
driven, and I've had a few.

Load the Porsche full of gravel and go up a steep dirt road and see
which one prevails!



No one would load either vehicle up with gravel. The Lightning was a
pick-me-up truck in name only, far too fancy for the workaday world. I
took a Lightning out for a demo when I decided to trade in my
SplashTruck. In those days, it didn't even have the tow capacity of the
"regular" F150, which is what I ended up getting. Oh, and if memory
serves, the Lighting had much lower ground clearance than the regular
F150, too. Loaded with gravel and going up a steep bumpy dirt road would
have been death for that truck.

Not true at all, the Lighting was a damned good combo work/play truck,
and the "ground clearance" was not much different than any F-150. It was
lowered only one inch from a base 150. Towing is about the same as the
base 150 as well.

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On Sun, 09 Jun 2013 08:24:17 -0400, Hank© wrote:

On 6/9/2013 7:54 AM, John H wrote:
On Sat, 08 Jun 2013 23:41:51 -0700, jps wrote:

On Fri, 07 Jun 2013 12:01:20 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute
wrote:

Drove a BIG F150 last night... hated it. I mean, it has everything I
need but I just don't like driving that huge monstrosity... Think I
would get over it soon enough?

WTF has this got to do with boats? The little freak doesn't trailer a
boat. He trailers motorbikes and someday maybe his single wide to
West Virginia, where he'd be at home.

Guns and death are just as close to boats and boating as this crap.

You *could* knock off your **** and join the club. The atmosphere's fine until this starts.

BTW, did you buy a gun for your boat? I might could make you a good deal on a Sig Sauer P250 in 9mm.

John H.


The Sig didn't live up to your expectations?

I'm not happy about the long trigger pull. But, I've been told to spend more time shooting it and
it'll start feeling very natural. I have to quit shooting the Kimber .45 first, and then going to
the Sig.

My wife loves the Sig.

John H.
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Hope you're having a great day!

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On Sun, 9 Jun 2013 18:41:47 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:



"F.O.A.D." wrote in message ...



With someone more skilled than I am driving it, my motorcycle will
blow
the doors off that Ford truck in 0-60 and in the quarter mile and
again,
with the right driver, leave that 911 Turbo you had behind, too. If I
recall the test data, the Duc will do 0=60 in 3.1 or 3.2 seconds, and
the quarter mile in 11.1 seconds. A couple of the Ducs will beat 3
seconds in 0-60 and do the quarter mile in under 10 seconds.

But...not me with driving.

---------------------------------------

Or me. I like bikes too ... or did. But at some point you have to
face the music and realize that reflexes aren't what they used to be
and motorcycles can be .... well ... flat out dangerous, even for
experienced riders. That, plus the fact that I got spoiled having
the Harley in Florida. I know I'll get all kinds of incoming flack
for this but cruising around in the early evening on some of the
inland roads near Jupiter in a tee shirt and no helmet was the balls.
Never went fast. Just nice, cruising on isolated back roads away
from all the noise and traffic. Compared to riding up here in MA
where you still have to have leathers on in the evenings, even in the
summer, helmet, gloves, chaps, .... the heck with it. Just wasn't the
same. Last Harley was a 2007 Ultra Classic. Beast weighed almost
900 lbs. Then, I traded a 1965 Volkswagon Bus that I picked up for
a completely restored 1974 Norton 850 Commando.
Pretty stupid move. The Norton was a young man's bike, not something
for an old fart like me. Reliving my youth, or tried to. Rode it
twice and sold it.



Should have bought a Moto Guzzi.

John H.
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On 6/10/13 9:51 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 6/10/13 8:28 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

"BAR" wrote in message
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The F-150 Lightening was a Porsche killer.

---------------------------------------------

You're dreaming. The last year Ford built the Lightning, it had
impressive performance numbers in the quarter mile, but that's not
what a Porsche is all about. But, for the record:

2001 Ford F-150 Lightning 0-60 mph 5.1 Quarter mile 13.7
2001 Porsche 911 Turbo 0-60 mph 3.8 Quarter mile 12.1

Now, take them off the track and onto the streets and there's no
contest at all. The Porsche will surefoot around corners and bends in
the road that would cause the Lightning to climb up a tree.

I had a 2001 Porsche 911 Twin Turbo. Finest engineered car I've ever
driven, and I've had a few.

Load the Porsche full of gravel and go up a steep dirt road and see
which one prevails!



No one would load either vehicle up with gravel. The Lightning was a
pick-me-up truck in name only, far too fancy for the workaday world. I
took a Lightning out for a demo when I decided to trade in my
SplashTruck. In those days, it didn't even have the tow capacity of the
"regular" F150, which is what I ended up getting. Oh, and if memory
serves, the Lighting had much lower ground clearance than the regular
F150, too. Loaded with gravel and going up a steep bumpy dirt road would
have been death for that truck.

Not true at all, the Lighting was a damned good combo work/play truck,
and the "ground clearance" was not much different than any F-150. It was
lowered only one inch from a base 150. Towing is about the same as the
base 150 as well.


Since you have no idea what F150 I bought and probably not the model
year, either, your claims are not applicable. When I was shopping for a
new "full size" pickup, the Lightning did not match up to the towing or
height specifications of the F150 I bought. Period.

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"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
m...

On 6/10/13 9:51 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 6/10/13 8:28 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

"BAR" wrote in message
. ..


The F-150 Lightening was a Porsche killer.

---------------------------------------------

You're dreaming. The last year Ford built the Lightning, it had
impressive performance numbers in the quarter mile, but that's
not
what a Porsche is all about. But, for the record:

2001 Ford F-150 Lightning 0-60 mph 5.1 Quarter mile 13.7
2001 Porsche 911 Turbo 0-60 mph 3.8 Quarter mile 12.1

Now, take them off the track and onto the streets and there's no
contest at all. The Porsche will surefoot around corners and
bends in
the road that would cause the Lightning to climb up a tree.

I had a 2001 Porsche 911 Twin Turbo. Finest engineered car I've
ever
driven, and I've had a few.

Load the Porsche full of gravel and go up a steep dirt road and
see
which one prevails!



No one would load either vehicle up with gravel. The Lightning was
a
pick-me-up truck in name only, far too fancy for the workaday
world. I
took a Lightning out for a demo when I decided to trade in my
SplashTruck. In those days, it didn't even have the tow capacity of
the
"regular" F150, which is what I ended up getting. Oh, and if memory
serves, the Lighting had much lower ground clearance than the
regular
F150, too. Loaded with gravel and going up a steep bumpy dirt road
would
have been death for that truck.

Not true at all, the Lighting was a damned good combo work/play
truck,
and the "ground clearance" was not much different than any F-150. It
was
lowered only one inch from a base 150. Towing is about the same as
the
base 150 as well.


Since you have no idea what F150 I bought and probably not the model
year, either, your claims are not applicable. When I was shopping for
a
new "full size" pickup, the Lightning did not match up to the towing
or
height specifications of the F150 I bought. Period.

----------------------------------

Some of my replies have been in error. Indeed, the Lightning *does*
have a towing capacity of 5,000 lbs although I remember when the
supercharged version first came out it was not recommended.

There have been three generations of it. The original was not
supercharged. It had the 351W "truck" engine that was highly
modified.
The supercharged 5.8L versions came later. But, going back to the
original issue, you simply can't compare a pickup truck regardless of
how "fast" it is with a high performance sports car like a Porsche
911. Two completely different animals. My point about the Porsche
is that it's not simply designed to go fast. It also is designed to
stop and handle in world class competition. The Lightning is a
unique, fun truck but it's not in the same league from a standpoint of
total performance.

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"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
...

On 6/10/13 8:28 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

"BAR" wrote in message
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The F-150 Lightening was a Porsche killer.

---------------------------------------------

You're dreaming. The last year Ford built the Lightning, it had
impressive performance numbers in the quarter mile, but that's not
what a Porsche is all about. But, for the record:

2001 Ford F-150 Lightning 0-60 mph 5.1 Quarter mile 13.7
2001 Porsche 911 Turbo 0-60 mph 3.8 Quarter mile 12.1

Now, take them off the track and onto the streets and there's no
contest at all. The Porsche will surefoot around corners and bends
in
the road that would cause the Lightning to climb up a tree.

I had a 2001 Porsche 911 Twin Turbo. Finest engineered car I've
ever
driven, and I've had a few.

Load the Porsche full of gravel and go up a steep dirt road and see
which one prevails!



No one would load either vehicle up with gravel. The Lightning was a
pick-me-up truck in name only, far too fancy for the workaday world. I
took a Lightning out for a demo when I decided to trade in my
SplashTruck. In those days, it didn't even have the tow capacity of
the
"regular" F150, which is what I ended up getting. Oh, and if memory
serves, the Lighting had much lower ground clearance than the regular
F150, too. Loaded with gravel and going up a steep bumpy dirt road
would
have been death for that truck.

-------------------------------------------------

iboaterer just likes to argue anything. It's his purpose in life, I
guess. I also recall that the Lightning was *not* recommended for
towing or hauling anything, primarily because it was supercharged, not
turbo'd. As for loading either of them with gravel to compare how
they would perform .... well, we'll just ignore that.

Of course you will. Two different vehicles for two different needs.

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In article ,
says...

On 6/10/13 9:51 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 6/10/13 8:28 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

"BAR" wrote in message
. ..


The F-150 Lightening was a Porsche killer.

---------------------------------------------

You're dreaming. The last year Ford built the Lightning, it had
impressive performance numbers in the quarter mile, but that's not
what a Porsche is all about. But, for the record:

2001 Ford F-150 Lightning 0-60 mph 5.1 Quarter mile 13.7
2001 Porsche 911 Turbo 0-60 mph 3.8 Quarter mile 12.1

Now, take them off the track and onto the streets and there's no
contest at all. The Porsche will surefoot around corners and bends in
the road that would cause the Lightning to climb up a tree.

I had a 2001 Porsche 911 Twin Turbo. Finest engineered car I've ever
driven, and I've had a few.

Load the Porsche full of gravel and go up a steep dirt road and see
which one prevails!



No one would load either vehicle up with gravel. The Lightning was a
pick-me-up truck in name only, far too fancy for the workaday world. I
took a Lightning out for a demo when I decided to trade in my
SplashTruck. In those days, it didn't even have the tow capacity of the
"regular" F150, which is what I ended up getting. Oh, and if memory
serves, the Lighting had much lower ground clearance than the regular
F150, too. Loaded with gravel and going up a steep bumpy dirt road would
have been death for that truck.

Not true at all, the Lighting was a damned good combo work/play truck,
and the "ground clearance" was not much different than any F-150. It was
lowered only one inch from a base 150. Towing is about the same as the
base 150 as well.


Since you have no idea what F150 I bought and probably not the model
year, either, your claims are not applicable. When I was shopping for a
new "full size" pickup, the Lightning did not match up to the towing or
height specifications of the F150 I bought. Period.

Sure they are "applicable". The Lightning was lowered 1", show me
different. As for towing, a towing package was available for the
Lightning just as it was for a standard 150.

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On 6/10/13 11:59 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 6/10/13 9:51 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 6/10/13 8:28 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

"BAR" wrote in message
. ..


The F-150 Lightening was a Porsche killer.

---------------------------------------------

You're dreaming. The last year Ford built the Lightning, it had
impressive performance numbers in the quarter mile, but that's not
what a Porsche is all about. But, for the record:

2001 Ford F-150 Lightning 0-60 mph 5.1 Quarter mile 13.7
2001 Porsche 911 Turbo 0-60 mph 3.8 Quarter mile 12.1

Now, take them off the track and onto the streets and there's no
contest at all. The Porsche will surefoot around corners and bends in
the road that would cause the Lightning to climb up a tree.

I had a 2001 Porsche 911 Twin Turbo. Finest engineered car I've ever
driven, and I've had a few.

Load the Porsche full of gravel and go up a steep dirt road and see
which one prevails!



No one would load either vehicle up with gravel. The Lightning was a
pick-me-up truck in name only, far too fancy for the workaday world. I
took a Lightning out for a demo when I decided to trade in my
SplashTruck. In those days, it didn't even have the tow capacity of the
"regular" F150, which is what I ended up getting. Oh, and if memory
serves, the Lighting had much lower ground clearance than the regular
F150, too. Loaded with gravel and going up a steep bumpy dirt road would
have been death for that truck.

Not true at all, the Lighting was a damned good combo work/play truck,
and the "ground clearance" was not much different than any F-150. It was
lowered only one inch from a base 150. Towing is about the same as the
base 150 as well.


Since you have no idea what F150 I bought and probably not the model
year, either, your claims are not applicable. When I was shopping for a
new "full size" pickup, the Lightning did not match up to the towing or
height specifications of the F150 I bought. Period.

Sure they are "applicable". The Lightning was lowered 1", show me
different. As for towing, a towing package was available for the
Lightning just as it was for a standard 150.



Sorry, I have no interest in getting into anything like a
Greg-Iboaterererer 300-post debate that never reaches a conclusion.