On Jun 1, 12:52*pm, Hank© wrote:
On 6/1/2013 1:38 PM, Tim wrote:







On Jun 1, 12:08 pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
"JustWaitAFrekinMinute" *wrote in message

...

I have been talking to some truck guys around here and we are looking
at
a 1500 Silverado four door with a 5.3...

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Very doubtful that would be rated anywhere near high enough for a 36'
fifth wheel. * You are going to need a 2500 or F-250 series truck at a
minimum.

I agree with Rich. a 1500 is a 'heavy half' tone truck. and is light
for the load. I've never seen a 1500 set up for a 5th wheel, and the
5.3 will pull it but it'd have to work at it.

Git up and go is only half of it. Slow down and whoa is the other part.

True, but pulling that size of a trailer , the thing should have its
own electric or surge brakes on it anyhow.

On 6/1/2013 4:59 PM, Tim wrote:
On Jun 1, 12:52 pm, Hank© wrote:
On 6/1/2013 1:38 PM, Tim wrote:







On Jun 1, 12:08 pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
"JustWaitAFrekinMinute" wrote in message

...

I have been talking to some truck guys around here and we are looking
at
a 1500 Silverado four door with a 5.3...

----------------------------------

Very doubtful that would be rated anywhere near high enough for a 36'
fifth wheel. You are going to need a 2500 or F-250 series truck at a
minimum.

I agree with Rich. a 1500 is a 'heavy half' tone truck. and is light
for the load. I've never seen a 1500 set up for a 5th wheel, and the
5.3 will pull it but it'd have to work at it.

Git up and go is only half of it. Slow down and whoa is the other part.

True, but pulling that size of a trailer , the thing should have its
own electric or surge brakes on it anyhow.

I think brakes are required by law over 3000 lbs. There might be some
law differences between jurisdictions especially with surge brakes.

"JustWaitAFrekinMinute" wrote in message
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On 6/1/2013 3:05 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
m...


I don't think a truck that size has the brakes to successfully
control
and stop a 36' trailer.

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Don't think that's the issue so much. The trailer should have
brakes
designed to handle it's weight.
The problem is the light duty nature of the truck in terms of
engine,
transmission, frame, suspension, etc. To the best of my knowledge a
F-150 or the 1500 series from GM or Dodge are recommended for very
small
5th wheel trailers and that's a stretch for them. A 36 footer is
going
to weigh in at 12,000 lbs or more. Way too much for a light duty
truck.



Yeah, we looked at a few trailers today. The truck is rated 5000 and
the
17 foot Cub we looked at today comes in at 3400... The 23 foot Jayco
Ultralight was real sweet but would butt right up against the limits
at
4400 pounds and even used was pretty expensive. We are considering the
17 footer used, it has everything I need. Two seperate bedrooms for me
and Jess. Bath, shower, toilet. Propane stove, fridge, heat.... weighs
in at 3200 ponds.

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IIRC, you should use 80% of your truck's published capacity as a
realistic guide. Sounds like you found a perfect match.

On Jun 1, 3:33*pm, JustWaitAFrekinMinute
wrote:
On 6/1/2013 3:58 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:

On 6/1/2013 2:26 PM, thumper wrote:
On 6/1/2013 9:59 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:

I have been talking to some truck guys around here and we are looking at
a 1500 Silverado four door with a 5.3...

I tow my 4500 lb boat with a 5.3L Suburban and while it does fine I
wouldn't want much more weight behind me. *What is the trailer weight
and what kind of brakes does it have? *Check what the vehicle is rated
to tow and leave some margin. *Consider all the crap you load into it.

On Saturday, 1 June 2013 21:30:10 UTC-3, Tim wrote:
On Jun 1, 3:33*pm, JustWaitAFrekinMinute

wrote:

On 6/1/2013 3:58 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:



On 6/1/2013 2:26 PM, thumper wrote:

On 6/1/2013 9:59 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:



I have been talking to some truck guys around here and we are looking at

a 1500 Silverado four door with a 5.3...



I tow my 4500 lb boat with a 5.3L Suburban and while it does fine I

wouldn't want much more weight behind me. *What is the trailer weight

and what kind of brakes does it have? *Check what the vehicle is rated

to tow and leave some margin. *Consider all the crap you load into it.



Yeah, the setup we are considering now is a 17 foot at 3200 pounds. That

leaves me almost 2000 pounds for crap...



Just found this... Hummmmmm...



http://worcester.craigslist.org/cto/3781170945.html



...



That's sweet looking, Scott, and i dont' men to downgrade it, but

there's considerations. For one thing it's nice, but it's still a 1

trick pony. When the motorhome craze got started, it wasn't long

before you saw a lot of Winabago's parked with weeds growing around

them and moss creeping up the north side. Probably due to lack of

interest because people found out they weren't or couldn't use them as

much as their dreams said they could. Annual license and ins. is much

more than a pull behind camper, and 6-8 (maybe 10) mpg. got to be

really heavy.



Also consider... that motor camper is old. and sat most all it;s life.

low miles is good, but age on seals, hoses, tires isn't. Not saying it

would be, but it *could* be a maintenance bucket. And this isn't

counting the plumbing on the inside...



But on the bright side, mechanically it's old school and nothing you

couldn't handle.



On the really bright side, if one was going to use it in the summer

and make 200 +/- one-way jaunts on weekends, it might be ideal. and

you could pull a light bike trailer behind it with little problem.



The thing is to to use it, IF you have a use for it


Brother-in-law bought an older Winnebago, used it a couple of times and then set it up on his lakefront lot just outside the city.
Kids broke in, smashed the back window out etc.
Brother in law then stripped engine out and gave it to a local mechanic who planned to put it in a race car.
Now if that clunker is to be moved...it'll have to be towed.

On Jun 1, 8:40*pm, True North wrote:
On Saturday, 1 June 2013 21:30:10 UTC-3, Tim *wrote:
On Jun 1, 3:33*pm, JustWaitAFrekinMinute

wrote:

On 6/1/2013 3:58 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:

On 6/1/2013 2:26 PM, thumper wrote:

On 6/1/2013 9:59 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:

I have been talking to some truck guys around here and we are looking at

a 1500 Silverado four door with a 5.3...

I tow my 4500 lb boat with a 5.3L Suburban and while it does fine I

wouldn't want much more weight behind me. *What is the trailer weight

and what kind of brakes does it have? *Check what the vehicle is rated

to tow and leave some margin. *Consider all the crap you load into it.

Yeah, the setup we are considering now is a 17 foot at 3200 pounds. That

leaves me almost 2000 pounds for crap...

Just found this... Hummmmmm...

http://worcester.craigslist.org/cto/3781170945.html

...

That's sweet looking, Scott, and i dont' men to downgrade it, but

there's considerations. For one thing it's nice, but it's still a 1

trick pony. *When the motorhome craze got started, it wasn't long

before you saw a lot of Winabago's parked with weeds growing around

them and moss creeping up the north side. *Probably *due to lack of

interest because people found out they weren't or couldn't use them as

much as their dreams said they could. *Annual license and ins. is much

more than a pull behind camper, and 6-8 (maybe 10) mpg. got to be

really heavy.

Also consider... that motor camper is old. and sat most all it;s life.

low miles is good, but age on seals, hoses, tires isn't. Not saying it

would be, but it *could* be a maintenance bucket. *And this isn't

counting the plumbing on the inside...

But on the bright side, mechanically it's old school and nothing you

couldn't handle.

On the really bright side, if one was going to use it in the summer

and make 200 +/- one-way *jaunts on weekends, it might be ideal. *and

you could pull a light bike trailer behind it with little problem.

The thing is to *to use it, IF you *have a use for it

Brother-in-law bought an older Winnebago, used it a couple of times and then set it up on his lakefront lot just outside the city.
Kids broke in, smashed the back window out etc.
Brother in law then stripped engine out and gave it to a local mechanic who planned to put it in a race car.
Now if that clunker is to be moved...it'll have to be towed.

Yeah, that was probably back in the days when they used the 440 Dodge
or later with the 454 GM's.

Was it by chance one of these?

http://www.myrubygirl.com/wp-content.../Winnebago.jpg

On 6/1/2013 4:16 PM, Hank© wrote:
On 6/1/2013 3:51 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"Hank©" wrote in message
eb.com...

On 6/1/2013 3:05 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
m...


I don't think a truck that size has the brakes to successfully control
and stop a 36' trailer.

------------------------------------------------

Don't think that's the issue so much. The trailer should have brakes
designed to handle it's weight.
The problem is the light duty nature of the truck in terms of engine,
transmission, frame, suspension, etc. To the best of my knowledge a
F-150 or the 1500 series from GM or Dodge are recommended for very small
5th wheel trailers and that's a stretch for them. A 36 footer is going
to weigh in at 12,000 lbs or more. Way too much for a light duty
truck.


Sometimes trailer brakes go hooky falooky on you.

-------------------------------

True. Then you're in deep doo-doo. I don't care what kind of brakes
your truck has .... it's going to have a tough time stopping it plus a
12,000 -14,000 trailer at any kind of speed.

Remember the green '97 Dodge Ram 1500 I had? Towing that old '82
Century ark was a real thrill. The surge brakes didn't work on the
trailer.
I had to plan stops well in advance. If a light turned red and I tried
to stop the damn boat would push me halfway through the intersection.
I think that boat and trailer probably weighed 6,000 to 7,000 lbs.


Scotty, are you listening? ;-)

I don't know where you all got the idea I would drive overloaded... I am
a stickler, ****es people off. Ask Jess someday how I tie stuff down,
even stuff in the trailer... I have a "superstition".. I never move my
truck (with the trailer on) without touching the drivers seat, then
doing a "walk around" which involves just what it says. I walk around
the whole rig looking at tires, lights, connections under the wheels,
locks, look for leaks... left behind equipment etc.. Jess is required to
also do a walk around each and every time we move, even if it's leaving
the gas station a mile after doing a walk around at the house... The
whole thing goes back to about twenty years ago when I let the guys at
Home Depot load my trailer, seeing those 2x10s flying 30 feet in the
air, changed my life... I am a stickler about towing... you guys must
all be thinking of don who we shamed/threatened into getting a bigger
vehicle to tow his rig...

On 6/1/2013 8:30 PM, Tim wrote:
On Jun 1, 3:33 pm, JustWaitAFrekinMinute
wrote:
On 6/1/2013 3:58 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:

On 6/1/2013 2:26 PM, thumper wrote:
On 6/1/2013 9:59 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:

I have been talking to some truck guys around here and we are looking at
a 1500 Silverado four door with a 5.3...

I tow my 4500 lb boat with a 5.3L Suburban and while it does fine I
wouldn't want much more weight behind me. What is the trailer weight
and what kind of brakes does it have? Check what the vehicle is rated
to tow and leave some margin. Consider all the crap you load into it.

Yeah, the setup we are considering now is a 17 foot at 3200 pounds. That
leaves me almost 2000 pounds for crap...

Just found this... Hummmmmm...

http://worcester.craigslist.org/cto/3781170945.html

...

That's sweet looking, Scott, and i dont' men to downgrade it, but
there's considerations. For one thing it's nice, but it's still a 1
trick pony. When the motorhome craze got started, it wasn't long
before you saw a lot of Winabago's parked with weeds growing around
them and moss creeping up the north side. Probably due to lack of
interest because people found out they weren't or couldn't use them as
much as their dreams said they could. Annual license and ins. is much
more than a pull behind camper, and 6-8 (maybe 10) mpg. got to be
really heavy.

Also consider... that motor camper is old. and sat most all it;s life.
low miles is good, but age on seals, hoses, tires isn't. Not saying it
would be, but it *could* be a maintenance bucket. And this isn't
counting the plumbing on the inside...

But on the bright side, mechanically it's old school and nothing you
couldn't handle.

On the really bright side, if one was going to use it in the summer
and make 200 +/- one-way jaunts on weekends, it might be ideal. and
you could pull a light bike trailer behind it with little problem.

The thing is to to use it, IF you have a use for it


Well, a typical race season is 22 weekends... and that's just the local
stuff... Still leaning toward the pull behind anyway, if we get another
truck Jess will have a vehicle too.

"JustWaitAFrekinMinute" wrote in message
...


I don't know where you all got the idea I would drive overloaded... I
am
a stickler, ****es people off. Ask Jess someday how I tie stuff down,
even stuff in the trailer... I have a "superstition".. I never move my
truck (with the trailer on) without touching the drivers seat, then
doing a "walk around" which involves just what it says. I walk around
the whole rig looking at tires, lights, connections under the wheels,
locks, look for leaks... left behind equipment etc.. Jess is required
to
also do a walk around each and every time we move, even if it's
leaving
the gas station a mile after doing a walk around at the house... The
whole thing goes back to about twenty years ago when I let the guys at
Home Depot load my trailer, seeing those 2x10s flying 30 feet in the
air, changed my life... I am a stickler about towing... you guys must
all be thinking of don who we shamed/threatened into getting a bigger
vehicle to tow his rig...

---------------------------------------------

You where originally talking about getting a 36' fifth wheel camper
and were asking the group for tow truck recommendations. You
indicated that you were "leaning" towards a four door (crew cab)
Chevy 1500 pickup with a small block. Those of us with some
knowledge and experience with 5th wheel camper trailers know that you
would have exceeded that truck's towing capacity by a long shot and
indeed, you would be overloaded (and illegal) with that configuration.

That's where I got the idea. You asked and some of us were simply
trying to be helpful.

On 6/2/2013 3:05 AM, Eisboch wrote:


"JustWaitAFrekinMinute" wrote in message
...


I don't know where you all got the idea I would drive overloaded... I am
a stickler, ****es people off. Ask Jess someday how I tie stuff down,
even stuff in the trailer... I have a "superstition".. I never move my
truck (with the trailer on) without touching the drivers seat, then
doing a "walk around" which involves just what it says. I walk around
the whole rig looking at tires, lights, connections under the wheels,
locks, look for leaks... left behind equipment etc.. Jess is required to
also do a walk around each and every time we move, even if it's leaving
the gas station a mile after doing a walk around at the house... The
whole thing goes back to about twenty years ago when I let the guys at
Home Depot load my trailer, seeing those 2x10s flying 30 feet in the
air, changed my life... I am a stickler about towing... you guys must
all be thinking of don who we shamed/threatened into getting a bigger
vehicle to tow his rig...

---------------------------------------------

You where originally talking about getting a 36' fifth wheel camper and
were asking the group for tow truck recommendations. You indicated
that you were "leaning" towards a four door (crew cab) Chevy 1500 pickup
with a small block. Those of us with some knowledge and experience
with 5th wheel camper trailers know that you would have exceeded that
truck's towing capacity by a long shot and indeed, you would be
overloaded (and illegal) with that configuration.

That's where I got the idea. You asked and some of us were simply
trying to be helpful.





Right, but some were talking like I was going to do it rather than just
asking...