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On Fri, 21 Jun 2013 21:02:37 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:


I am not advocating a background check every time you buy a gun.
The
background check is done once to obtain a permit.


Why should I have to obtain a permit in order to exercise one of my
civil rights?

Do you advocate a permit for speaking freely?

Do you advocate a permit for going to church?

Do you advocate a permit for registering to vote.

The issue is one not having to ask permission to provide yourself with
the means to protect
yourself. ...the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not
be infringed.

-----------------------------------------------

A requirement to obtain a gun permit with an accompanying background
check does not infringe on your rights. Your interpretation of the
2nd Amendment suggests that *everyone*, regardless of age and
including convicted felons should be able to own a gun, no questions
asked. Furthermore, it would seem that current laws that prevent them
from owning a gun are unconstitutional as are firearms laws in many
states that already require a permit and background check, based on
your logic.

As for your other questions, give me a break, will ya? Comparing
gun ownership and it's responsibilities with the right to attend the
church of your choice is a pretty stupid argument against gun permits
and background checks. Plus, I'll repeat again, having to obtain a
permit is *not* a restriction of your rights.

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"BAR" wrote in message
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On Fri, 21 Jun 2013 21:02:37 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:


I am not advocating a background check every time you buy a gun.
The
background check is done once to obtain a permit.


Why should I have to obtain a permit in order to exercise one of my
civil rights?

Do you advocate a permit for speaking freely?

Do you advocate a permit for going to church?

Do you advocate a permit for registering to vote.

The issue is one not having to ask permission to provide yourself with
the means to protect
yourself. ...the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not
be infringed.

-----------------------------------------------

A requirement to obtain a gun permit with an accompanying background
check does not infringe on your rights. Your interpretation of the
2nd Amendment suggests that *everyone*, regardless of age and
including convicted felons should be able to own a gun, no questions
asked. Furthermore, it would seem that current laws that prevent them
from owning a gun are unconstitutional as are firearms laws in many
states that already require a permit and background check, based on
your logic.

As for your other questions, give me a break, will ya? Comparing
gun ownership and it's responsibilities with the right to attend the
church of your choice is a pretty stupid argument against gun permits
and background checks. Plus, I'll repeat again, having to obtain a
permit is *not* a restriction of your rights.

Why do I have to ask the government to allow me to exercise my god given rights?

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are
endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty
and the pursuit of Happiness.

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"BAR" wrote in message
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On Fri, 21 Jun 2013 21:02:37 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:


I am not advocating a background check every time you buy a gun.
The
background check is done once to obtain a permit.


Why should I have to obtain a permit in order to exercise one of my
civil rights?

Do you advocate a permit for speaking freely?

Do you advocate a permit for going to church?

Do you advocate a permit for registering to vote.

The issue is one not having to ask permission to provide yourself
with
the means to protect
yourself. ...the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall
not
be infringed.

-----------------------------------------------

A requirement to obtain a gun permit with an accompanying background
check does not infringe on your rights. Your interpretation of the
2nd Amendment suggests that *everyone*, regardless of age and
including convicted felons should be able to own a gun, no
questions
asked. Furthermore, it would seem that current laws that prevent
them
from owning a gun are unconstitutional as are firearms laws in many
states that already require a permit and background check, based on
your logic.

As for your other questions, give me a break, will ya? Comparing
gun ownership and it's responsibilities with the right to attend the
church of your choice is a pretty stupid argument against gun
permits
and background checks. Plus, I'll repeat again, having to obtain
a
permit is *not* a restriction of your rights.

Why do I have to ask the government to allow me to exercise my god
given rights?

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created
equal, that they are
endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among
these are Life, Liberty
and the pursuit of Happiness.

--------------------------------------------

Good grief. So, criminals, rapists and serial murderers have a
*Right* to Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness?

You make no sense. Again, I'll repeat, having to obtain a gun permit
and submit to a background check to ensure you are not one of the
above is *not* a violation of your Constitutional rights. Why is
this so hard to understand?

On Mon, 24 Jun 2013 04:52:24 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:



"BAR" wrote in message
...

In article ,
says...

"BAR" wrote in message
. ..


On Fri, 21 Jun 2013 21:02:37 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:


I am not advocating a background check every time you buy a gun.
The
background check is done once to obtain a permit.


Why should I have to obtain a permit in order to exercise one of my
civil rights?

Do you advocate a permit for speaking freely?

Do you advocate a permit for going to church?

Do you advocate a permit for registering to vote.

The issue is one not having to ask permission to provide yourself
with
the means to protect
yourself. ...the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall
not
be infringed.

-----------------------------------------------

A requirement to obtain a gun permit with an accompanying background
check does not infringe on your rights. Your interpretation of the
2nd Amendment suggests that *everyone*, regardless of age and
including convicted felons should be able to own a gun, no
questions
asked. Furthermore, it would seem that current laws that prevent
them
from owning a gun are unconstitutional as are firearms laws in many
states that already require a permit and background check, based on
your logic.

As for your other questions, give me a break, will ya? Comparing
gun ownership and it's responsibilities with the right to attend the
church of your choice is a pretty stupid argument against gun
permits
and background checks. Plus, I'll repeat again, having to obtain
a
permit is *not* a restriction of your rights.

Why do I have to ask the government to allow me to exercise my god
given rights?

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created
equal, that they are
endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among
these are Life, Liberty
and the pursuit of Happiness.

--------------------------------------------

Good grief. So, criminals, rapists and serial murderers have a
*Right* to Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness?

You make no sense. Again, I'll repeat, having to obtain a gun permit
and submit to a background check to ensure you are not one of the
above is *not* a violation of your Constitutional rights. Why is
this so hard to understand?


Criminals, rapists and serial murderers won't be abiding by the law in any case.

John (Gun Nut) H.
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Hope you're having a great day!

"John H" wrote in message
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On Mon, 24 Jun 2013 04:52:24 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


Good grief. So, criminals, rapists and serial murderers have a
*Right* to Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness?

You make no sense. Again, I'll repeat, having to obtain a gun
permit
and submit to a background check to ensure you are not one of the
above is *not* a violation of your Constitutional rights. Why is
this so hard to understand?


Criminals, rapists and serial murderers won't be abiding by the law in
any case.

John (Gun Nut) H.

---------------------------------

I agree. So, how do they get their guns?

In article , says...

"John H" wrote in message
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On Mon, 24 Jun 2013 04:52:24 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


Good grief. So, criminals, rapists and serial murderers have a
*Right* to Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness?

You make no sense. Again, I'll repeat, having to obtain a gun
permit
and submit to a background check to ensure you are not one of the
above is *not* a violation of your Constitutional rights. Why is
this so hard to understand?


Criminals, rapists and serial murderers won't be abiding by the law in
any case.

John (Gun Nut) H.

---------------------------------

I agree. So, how do they get their guns?

Illegal transactions or by stealing them. Criminals won't go get a permit.

On Mon, 24 Jun 2013 07:17:06 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:



"John H" wrote in message
.. .

On Mon, 24 Jun 2013 04:52:24 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


Good grief. So, criminals, rapists and serial murderers have a
*Right* to Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness?

You make no sense. Again, I'll repeat, having to obtain a gun
permit
and submit to a background check to ensure you are not one of the
above is *not* a violation of your Constitutional rights. Why is
this so hard to understand?


Criminals, rapists and serial murderers won't be abiding by the law in
any case.

John (Gun Nut) H.

---------------------------------

I agree. So, how do they get their guns?

Go to downtown Detroit and wave a couple hundred dollar bills.

John (Gun Nut) H.
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Hope you're having a great day!

On 6/24/2013 7:17 AM, Eisboch wrote:


"John H" wrote in message
...

On Mon, 24 Jun 2013 04:52:24 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


Good grief. So, criminals, rapists and serial murderers have a
*Right* to Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness?

You make no sense. Again, I'll repeat, having to obtain a gun permit
and submit to a background check to ensure you are not one of the
above is *not* a violation of your Constitutional rights. Why is
this so hard to understand?


Criminals, rapists and serial murderers won't be abiding by the law in
any case.

John (Gun Nut) H.

---------------------------------

I agree. So, how do they get their guns?

By unlawful means. There are laws already on the books that deal with
criminals. We have too many law makers and not enough law enforcers.

In article , says...

"BAR" wrote in message
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In article ,
says...

"BAR" wrote in message
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On Fri, 21 Jun 2013 21:02:37 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:


I am not advocating a background check every time you buy a gun.
The
background check is done once to obtain a permit.


Why should I have to obtain a permit in order to exercise one of my
civil rights?

Do you advocate a permit for speaking freely?

Do you advocate a permit for going to church?

Do you advocate a permit for registering to vote.

The issue is one not having to ask permission to provide yourself
with
the means to protect
yourself. ...the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall
not
be infringed.

-----------------------------------------------

A requirement to obtain a gun permit with an accompanying background
check does not infringe on your rights. Your interpretation of the
2nd Amendment suggests that *everyone*, regardless of age and
including convicted felons should be able to own a gun, no
questions
asked. Furthermore, it would seem that current laws that prevent
them
from owning a gun are unconstitutional as are firearms laws in many
states that already require a permit and background check, based on
your logic.

As for your other questions, give me a break, will ya? Comparing
gun ownership and it's responsibilities with the right to attend the
church of your choice is a pretty stupid argument against gun
permits
and background checks. Plus, I'll repeat again, having to obtain
a
permit is *not* a restriction of your rights.

Why do I have to ask the government to allow me to exercise my god
given rights?

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created
equal, that they are
endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among
these are Life, Liberty
and the pursuit of Happiness.

--------------------------------------------

Good grief. So, criminals, rapists and serial murderers have a
*Right* to Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness?

Yes they do have a right to live. And...

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a
presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval
forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall
any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor
shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken
for public use, without just compensation.[1]

You make no sense. Again, I'll repeat, having to obtain a gun permit
and submit to a background check to ensure you are not one of the
above is *not* a violation of your Constitutional rights. Why is
this so hard to understand?

You should be encouraging, no demanding, that the federal government require that the press
obtain permits before they print. You sould be demanding that the federal government require
the churchs obtain permits before they preach. You should be demanding that the federal
government require the people to obtain permits before the speak freely.

When you start to regulate on right you then open the door to having all of them regulated.

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On Sun, 23 Jun 2013 19:54:57 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:



"BAR" wrote in message
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On Fri, 21 Jun 2013 21:02:37 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:


I am not advocating a background check every time you buy a gun.
The
background check is done once to obtain a permit.


Why should I have to obtain a permit in order to exercise one of my
civil rights?

Do you advocate a permit for speaking freely?

Do you advocate a permit for going to church?

Do you advocate a permit for registering to vote.

The issue is one not having to ask permission to provide yourself
with
the means to protect
yourself. ...the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not
be infringed.

-----------------------------------------------

A requirement to obtain a gun permit with an accompanying background
check does not infringe on your rights. Your interpretation of the
2nd Amendment suggests that *everyone*, regardless of age and
including convicted felons should be able to own a gun, no
questions
asked. Furthermore, it would seem that current laws that prevent
them
from owning a gun are unconstitutional as are firearms laws in many
states that already require a permit and background check, based on
your logic.

As for your other questions, give me a break, will ya? Comparing
gun ownership and it's responsibilities with the right to attend the
church of your choice is a pretty stupid argument against gun permits
and background checks. Plus, I'll repeat again, having to obtain a
permit is *not* a restriction of your rights.

I good number of us submit to this voluntarily to get the right to
carry. I am exempt from background checks and waiting periods.

I also used to own a legal machine gun so I am no stranger to
background checks.

-------------------------------------------------

The requirements to simply "own" a firearm and the requirements to own
and carry in public (concealed or open) are different.
A permit is required for concealed or open carry in most states. It's
also why some (like MA) is a "may" and "shall" state as far as the
issuance of permits go. Neither violate anyone's right to own a
firearm. The only reason a permit will not be issued is if you have
a felony record and are legally not eligible to own one. *That* is
the purpose of a cursory background check. That's all. It's not to
"take away" your rights unless you deserve to have them taken.

Geeze. Why is this so hard for people to understand?