On 6/23/13 4:34 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 22 Jun 2013 08:16:57 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

That $9.00 price point was keystoned, so the stores were paying $4.50 a
shirt. The manufacturer was making a profit at $4.50 and the workers
were supporting their families.

===

Your math and/or word usage is incorrect. The manufacturer had
"revenue" of $4.50 a shirt. Profit is revenue minus expenses.
Expenses are considerable and consist of things like labor, raw
materials, energy, administration, amortization/depreciation of
machinery/property, etc.


Your reading skills are lacking. I didn't state the manufacturer was
making a profit *of* $4.50. I said he was making a profit *at* $4.50.

On 6/23/13 4:34 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 22 Jun 2013 08:16:57 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

That $9.00 price point was keystoned, so the stores were paying $4.50 a
shirt. The manufacturer was making a profit at $4.50 and the workers
were supporting their families.

===

Your math and/or word usage is incorrect. The manufacturer had
"revenue" of $4.50 a shirt. Profit is revenue minus expenses.
Expenses are considerable and consist of things like labor, raw
materials, energy, administration, amortization/depreciation of
machinery/property, etc.

What you'd like to see is a return to protectionism where artificial
barriers are created to foreign made goods: Duties, Tariffs, etc. It
turns out that protectionism is a two way street however and other
countries soon follow with their own trade barriers. In addition to
hurting our export markets/jobs, protectionism also results in
artificially high prices to US consumers - not only for imported
goods, but for goods produced here as well.

Be careful what you ask for or you might end up paying twice as much
for your next car and get an inferior product. Did you ever take any
courses in economics?



Did you ever take any courses in reading comprehension?

On 6/23/2013 4:34 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 22 Jun 2013 08:16:57 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

That $9.00 price point was keystoned, so the stores were paying $4.50 a
shirt. The manufacturer was making a profit at $4.50 and the workers
were supporting their families.

===

Your math and/or word usage is incorrect. The manufacturer had
"revenue" of $4.50 a shirt. Profit is revenue minus expenses.
Expenses are considerable and consist of things like labor, raw
materials, energy, administration, amortization/depreciation of
machinery/property, etc.

What you'd like to see is a return to protectionism where artificial
barriers are created to foreign made goods: Duties, Tariffs, etc. It
turns out that protectionism is a two way street however and other
countries soon follow with their own trade barriers. In addition to
hurting our export markets/jobs, protectionism also results in
artificially high prices to US consumers - not only for imported
goods, but for goods produced here as well.

Be careful what you ask for or you might end up paying twice as much
for your next car and get an inferior product. Did you ever take any
courses in economics?

You're pretty goode at taking the wind out of his sails. There's no
wonder why he calls you all sorts of silly names. ;-)

On Sun, 23 Jun 2013 08:30:15 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 6/23/13 8:22 AM, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

They all missed my point. The point is like gun control... if we let
them give citizenship, without *first* securing the border, the border
won't get secured. There will be financing delays, lawsuits, and just
"rules" made by administration officials that delay or sink the security
end of the bill asap.... It's just the way things go in Washington, the
Dems make promises "if" the repubs will just cave and of course like in
84 and the fence in '06... All we will end up with in millions of new
dem voters....

Scotty O'reilly speaks!!

It really doesn't matter whether a fence is erected along the
U.S.-Mexico border, because such devices don't work. The Great Wall of
China didn't work, and the Berlin Wall didn't work...both were breached
many, many times. But calling for the building of such a wall gets the
righties what they want...a delay in a real immigration plan "until" the
wall is built. It's just more conservative cynicism.

Got to get serious about those who climb the fence.

John (Gun Nut) H.
--

Hope you're having a great day!

On Sun, 23 Jun 2013 13:07:32 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:



"JustWaitAFrekinMinute" wrote in message
...

Great Wall didn't work, Iron Curtain didn't work?? Sure they did.
Nothing is 100% but they didn't have the wholesale migration from one
side to the other we have now here...

---------------------------------

The "Iron Curtain" was a wall?


The part around East Berlin sure as hell was. Much of the rest was barbed wire and land mines, with
guard posts in sight of each other all along the East-West German border.

John (Gun Nut) H.
--

Hope you're having a great day!

On Sun, 23 Jun 2013 10:25:49 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 22 Jun 2013 07:44:22 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Fri, 21 Jun 2013 21:02:37 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:



"John H" wrote in message
...

On Fri, 21 Jun 2013 17:25:49 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


The background check simply verifies that you are not a felon, crazy
or otherwise not permitted to own a gun. In MA, it's done at the
time
you apply for a permit and the reason it takes so long is because
they
actually *do* an FBI background check on you. Once it's done and
the
permit is issued, the only other "check" is done whenever you
purchase a firearm. It's to verify that your permit is valid and in
good standing, you are who you claim you are and there are no
warrants etc., since getting the permit. Only takes a few minutes.


Who pays whom?

John H.

------------------------------------

Not sure what you are asking. If I go purchase a handgun or rifle
tomorrow, I'll fill out a form, the dealer will either call or
connect via Internet to the MA Criminal Bureau, give them my permit
number and other info, have me put my index finger on a digital
fingerprint pad and it transmits it to the Bureau. Within seconds the
digital fingerprint image confirms that indeed, it's me (matches the
original fingerprints taken when I applied for a permit), I pay for
the gun and go home. I don't pay for any of the instant background
check verification.



If you sell a gun to your wife, who pays for the background check (s), and who gets paid?

See, the impetus for all the background checking paperwork and bureaucracy isn't the safety of the
citizens, it's bigger government and more taxes.

Which of the atrocities over the years would have been prevented with a background check? Would the
murder rate in Chicago or Detroit go down with more background checks?

I am not convinced.

John H.

Many places require that any transfer of a handgun (private gift or
sale) requires that the receiver of the gun must have a gun permit.

Background checks don't seem to work, because they only "apply" to the
lawful. By FAR, most of the gun violence is centered in large cities.

Could be, but many places don't require a permit, like Virginia.

John (Gun Nut) H.
--

Hope you're having a great day!

On Sun, 23 Jun 2013 13:15:37 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:



wrote in message ...

On Sat, 22 Jun 2013 07:44:22 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Fri, 21 Jun 2013 21:02:37 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:



"John H" wrote in message
...

On Fri, 21 Jun 2013 17:25:49 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:


The background check simply verifies that you are not a felon,
crazy
or otherwise not permitted to own a gun. In MA, it's done at the
time
you apply for a permit and the reason it takes so long is because
they
actually *do* an FBI background check on you. Once it's done and
the
permit is issued, the only other "check" is done whenever you
purchase a firearm. It's to verify that your permit is valid and
in
good standing, you are who you claim you are and there are no
warrants etc., since getting the permit. Only takes a few
minutes.


Who pays whom?

John H.

------------------------------------

Not sure what you are asking. If I go purchase a handgun or rifle
tomorrow, I'll fill out a form, the dealer will either call or
connect via Internet to the MA Criminal Bureau, give them my permit
number and other info, have me put my index finger on a digital
fingerprint pad and it transmits it to the Bureau. Within seconds
the
digital fingerprint image confirms that indeed, it's me (matches
the
original fingerprints taken when I applied for a permit), I pay for
the gun and go home. I don't pay for any of the instant
background
check verification.



If you sell a gun to your wife, who pays for the background check
(s), and who gets paid?

See, the impetus for all the background checking paperwork and
bureaucracy isn't the safety of the
citizens, it's bigger government and more taxes.

Which of the atrocities over the years would have been prevented with
a background check? Would the
murder rate in Chicago or Detroit go down with more background
checks?

I am not convinced.

John H.

Many places require that any transfer of a handgun (private gift or
sale) requires that the receiver of the gun must have a gun permit.

Background checks don't seem to work, because they only "apply" to the
lawful. By FAR, most of the gun violence is centered in large cities.

--------------------------------

This debate is getting tangle footed.

Here's what I would propose:

A background check is required to obtain a permit to own a handgun or
rifle.
Once issued, the only "check" required to purchase a firearm is to
ensure the permit is in good standing and the person buying the
firearm is who he/she claims to be. That's where the fingerprints
come in.

I am not advocating a background check every time you buy a gun. The
background check is done once to obtain a permit.


More bureaucracy, more taxes, bigger AFGE.

And it solves nothing.

John (Gun Nut) H.
--

Hope you're having a great day!

On Sun, 23 Jun 2013 16:34:29 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 22 Jun 2013 08:16:57 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

That $9.00 price point was keystoned, so the stores were paying $4.50 a
shirt. The manufacturer was making a profit at $4.50 and the workers
were supporting their families.

===

Your math and/or word usage is incorrect. The manufacturer had
"revenue" of $4.50 a shirt. Profit is revenue minus expenses.
Expenses are considerable and consist of things like labor, raw
materials, energy, administration, amortization/depreciation of
machinery/property, etc.

What you'd like to see is a return to protectionism where artificial
barriers are created to foreign made goods: Duties, Tariffs, etc. It
turns out that protectionism is a two way street however and other
countries soon follow with their own trade barriers. In addition to
hurting our export markets/jobs, protectionism also results in
artificially high prices to US consumers - not only for imported
goods, but for goods produced here as well.

Be careful what you ask for or you might end up paying twice as much
for your next car and get an inferior product. Did you ever take any
courses in economics?

Speaking of great cars - that new Jetta TDI is an absolute joy to drive. Around town my wife is
getting 34 mpg.

(Couldn't help myself, Wayne.)

John (Gun Nut) H.
--

Hope you're having a great day!

In article , says...

wrote in message ...

On Sat, 22 Jun 2013 07:44:22 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Fri, 21 Jun 2013 21:02:37 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:



"John H" wrote in message
. ..

On Fri, 21 Jun 2013 17:25:49 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:


The background check simply verifies that you are not a felon,
crazy
or otherwise not permitted to own a gun. In MA, it's done at the
time
you apply for a permit and the reason it takes so long is because
they
actually *do* an FBI background check on you. Once it's done and
the
permit is issued, the only other "check" is done whenever you
purchase a firearm. It's to verify that your permit is valid and
in
good standing, you are who you claim you are and there are no
warrants etc., since getting the permit. Only takes a few
minutes.


Who pays whom?

John H.

------------------------------------

Not sure what you are asking. If I go purchase a handgun or rifle
tomorrow, I'll fill out a form, the dealer will either call or
connect via Internet to the MA Criminal Bureau, give them my permit
number and other info, have me put my index finger on a digital
fingerprint pad and it transmits it to the Bureau. Within seconds
the
digital fingerprint image confirms that indeed, it's me (matches
the
original fingerprints taken when I applied for a permit), I pay for
the gun and go home. I don't pay for any of the instant
background
check verification.



If you sell a gun to your wife, who pays for the background check
(s), and who gets paid?

See, the impetus for all the background checking paperwork and
bureaucracy isn't the safety of the
citizens, it's bigger government and more taxes.

Which of the atrocities over the years would have been prevented with
a background check? Would the
murder rate in Chicago or Detroit go down with more background
checks?

I am not convinced.

John H.

Many places require that any transfer of a handgun (private gift or
sale) requires that the receiver of the gun must have a gun permit.

Background checks don't seem to work, because they only "apply" to the
lawful. By FAR, most of the gun violence is centered in large cities.

--------------------------------

This debate is getting tangle footed.

Here's what I would propose:

A background check is required to obtain a permit to own a handgun or
rifle.
Once issued, the only "check" required to purchase a firearm is to
ensure the permit is in good standing and the person buying the
firearm is who he/she claims to be. That's where the fingerprints
come in.

I am not advocating a background check every time you buy a gun. The
background check is done once to obtain a permit.

Why should I have to obtain a permit in order to exercise one of my civil rights?

Do you advocate a permit for speaking freely?

Do you advocate a permit for going to church?

Do you advocate a permit for registering to vote.

The issue is one not having to ask permission to provide yourself with the means to protect
yourself. ...the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

In article om,
says...

On 6/23/2013 4:34 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 22 Jun 2013 08:16:57 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

That $9.00 price point was keystoned, so the stores were paying $4.50 a
shirt. The manufacturer was making a profit at $4.50 and the workers
were supporting their families.

===

Your math and/or word usage is incorrect. The manufacturer had
"revenue" of $4.50 a shirt. Profit is revenue minus expenses.
Expenses are considerable and consist of things like labor, raw
materials, energy, administration, amortization/depreciation of
machinery/property, etc.

What you'd like to see is a return to protectionism where artificial
barriers are created to foreign made goods: Duties, Tariffs, etc. It
turns out that protectionism is a two way street however and other
countries soon follow with their own trade barriers. In addition to
hurting our export markets/jobs, protectionism also results in
artificially high prices to US consumers - not only for imported
goods, but for goods produced here as well.

Be careful what you ask for or you might end up paying twice as much
for your next car and get an inferior product. Did you ever take any
courses in economics?

You're pretty goode at taking the wind out of his sails. There's no
wonder why he calls you all sorts of silly names. ;-)

Harry's lack of understanding about business is in abundant evidence in the court recods of
nearly every where he has lived and conducted business.