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On 6/21/13 9:37 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
Everything you on the left are doing is based on making a database you can use later for nefarious reasons such as confiscation... I thought you were going to try to control that paranoia? |
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On Friday, 21 June 2013 10:39:31 UTC-3, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 6/21/13 9:37 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: Everything you on the left are doing is based on making a database you can use later for nefarious reasons such as confiscation... I thought you were going to try to control that paranoia? Lyrics from that great Buffalo Springfield band describe his ilk... "Paranoia strikes deep Into your life it will creep It starts when you're always afraid Step out of line, the men come and take you away We better stop Hey, what's that sound? Everybody look - what's going down?" |
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"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
m... On 6/21/13 11:07 AM, wrote: Ask Harry how much money the FFL charged to broker that transaction. When I sold my SIG X-5 to a guy in Virginia, the Virginia FFL charged $20 for the transaction, which the buyer and I split. I paid the local FFL $20 I think for his services in getting my new six shooter. I'll pick it up sometime next week. ------------------- It has been a lot more than $20 for years here in Calif. Up to $125 if the gun has to be shipped to the FFL. |
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On 6/21/13 11:35 AM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... On 6/21/13 11:07 AM, wrote: Ask Harry how much money the FFL charged to broker that transaction. When I sold my SIG X-5 to a guy in Virginia, the Virginia FFL charged $20 for the transaction, which the buyer and I split. I paid the local FFL $20 I think for his services in getting my new six shooter. I'll pick it up sometime next week. ------------------- It has been a lot more than $20 for years here in Calif. Up to $125 if the gun has to be shipped to the FFL. I saved the shipping charge because I had other errands in Virginia that day and just met the buyer at the gun shop. The buyer of the CZ I just sold paid the UPS shipping to the FFL in his state, and it ran about $60. He's a good customer of his gun store, so I doubt he was forced to pay much for the transfer services. |
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m... On 6/21/13 11:35 AM, Califbill wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... On 6/21/13 11:07 AM, wrote: Ask Harry how much money the FFL charged to broker that transaction. When I sold my SIG X-5 to a guy in Virginia, the Virginia FFL charged $20 for the transaction, which the buyer and I split. I paid the local FFL $20 I think for his services in getting my new six shooter. I'll pick it up sometime next week. ------------------- It has been a lot more than $20 for years here in Calif. Up to $125 if the gun has to be shipped to the FFL. I saved the shipping charge because I had other errands in Virginia that day and just met the buyer at the gun shop. The buyer of the CZ I just sold paid the UPS shipping to the FFL in his state, and it ran about $60. He's a good customer of his gun store, so I doubt he was forced to pay much for the transfer services. ----------- that $125 does not include shipping. The local FFL is just the receiver. I think there is also a check to see if the gun is stolen, etc. on a transferred in weapon. |
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"John H" wrote in message ... On 6/21/13 8:15 AM, Eisboch wrote: ---------------------------------- Your hands may be clean but your mind is a little confused. You seem to associate "law abiding gun owners" as being lock step in line with the NRA's leadership positions, specifically those of Wayne LaPierre. That's just not so. The vast majority of law abiding gun owners, (even including those who are NRA members) are in favor of and support universal background checks for everyone. If a clean bill were introduced without a list of amendments by some members of Congress with personal agendas, it is likely that the NRA's opposition and lobbying strength could be overcome. 'Reasonable' background checking is great. But, I should be allowed to sell or give a handgun to my brother without Eric Holder's permission. John H. I disagree. If you have no problem with a background check when *you* acquired the handgun, why should your brother, friend or private buyer be any different? Plus, legally it removes you from the paper trail of potential liability should some nutcase who shouldn't own a gun ends up with it. I agree with background checks for *anyone* purchasing a firearm. It's really not all that involved. Here in MA, a full background check is done when you first apply for a gun permit. Often takes 8 weeks to be processed and for the actual background check to be done and a permit to be issued. But once it's done, purchasing a handgun, rifle or shotgun is a simple matter of calling in the transaction at the time of purchase, verifying you are who you claim to be via taking a digital fingerprint and, 5 minutes later, walking out of the gun shop with your new purchase. No waiting period. I don't see what the big deal is. |
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wrote in message ... On Fri, 21 Jun 2013 08:32:27 -0500, Boating All Out wrote: Don't be silly. Everybody discussing this knows the majority of NRA members support universal background checks. It all depends on how you phrase the question. If you just say "do you think there should be universal background checks" ? you get a positive response. If you say "do you want to ban all private transfers of firearms"? you don't do as well. ------------------------------------------- Agreed. That's why background checks should be universal and apply to *everyone*. Make it clean. As I explained in a reply to John H., it's not that big of a deal in MA. There are other regulations in this state that I think are unreasonable, but a background check to initially get one of the various permits is the biggest obstacle and may take 8 weeks or more. But once you have the permit, buying a gun is no big deal. A 5 min. telephone call and taking a digital finger print to ensure you are who you claim to be is all that is required. Once approved, (again ... only takes about 5 minutes) you pay for your purchase and walk out the door with your new gun. I don't see why that shouldn't apply to everyone. Private transactions and transfers could easily be accomplished at a licensed firearm dealer for a small fee. The goal is to keep the guns out of the hands of nut cases. If you say "Do you want to make it illegal to give a gun to your adult son in law without paying a dealer"? the number goes way down. |
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