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"Hank©" wrote in message
eb.com...

On 5/24/2013 10:06 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 24 May 2013 08:27:37 -0400, iBoaterer
wrote:

In article ,
says...

http://foxnewsinsider.com/2013/05/23...n-martins-cell

A person can't have a picture of a gun now without being guilty of
something?

A 17 year old can't be talking about buying a handgun without being in
a conspiracy to do something illegal.

Why not? Kids are fascinated with guns.


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Sure. But something about Federal law and under 18 can not buy handguns.
So to buy one you have to be breaking the law.

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On 6/20/13 2:26 PM, Califbill wrote:
"Hank©" wrote in message
eb.com...

On 5/24/2013 10:06 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 24 May 2013 08:27:37 -0400, iBoaterer
wrote:

In article ,
says...

http://foxnewsinsider.com/2013/05/23...n-martins-cell


A person can't have a picture of a gun now without being guilty of
something?

A 17 year old can't be talking about buying a handgun without being in
a conspiracy to do something illegal.

Why not? Kids are fascinated with guns.


-------------------

Sure. But something about Federal law and under 18 can not buy
handguns. So to buy one you have to be breaking the law.



Federal law says you have to be 21 to buy a handgun or ammo for a handgun.

18 U.S.C. 922(b)(1), 27 CFR 478.99(b)

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On 6/20/13 4:11 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 20 Jun 2013 14:43:09 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 6/20/13 2:26 PM, Califbill wrote
-------------------

Sure. But something about Federal law and under 18 can not buy
handguns. So to buy one you have to be breaking the law.



Federal law says you have to be 21 to buy a handgun or ammo for a handgun.

18 U.S.C. 922(b)(1), 27 CFR 478.99(b)

We do have a Florida law about it tho.

It is unlawful to sell, give, barter, lend or transfer a firearm or
other weapon other than an ordinary pocketknife to a minor less than
the age of 18 without his parent’s permission, or to any person of
unsound mind.

It is unlawful for any dealer to sell or transfer any firearm, pistol,
Springfield rifle or other repeating rifle to a minor.

A minor less than 18 years of age may not possess a firearm, other
than an unloaded firearm at his home, unless engaged in lawful
activities.


Reads a bit ambiguous to me.

You can't sell or give a firearm to a minor under 18 without a note from
the parents.

A dealer can't sell a firearm to a minor.

So, are those over 18 considered minors?

And what lawful activities allow a minor under 18 to possess a loaded
firearm.

Funny stuff on first reading.

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"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
m...

On 6/20/13 4:11 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 20 Jun 2013 14:43:09 -0400, "F.O.A.D."
wrote:

On 6/20/13 2:26 PM, Califbill wrote
-------------------

Sure. But something about Federal law and under 18 can not buy
handguns. So to buy one you have to be breaking the law.



Federal law says you have to be 21 to buy a handgun or ammo for a
handgun.

18 U.S.C. 922(b)(1), 27 CFR 478.99(b)

We do have a Florida law about it tho.

It is unlawful to sell, give, barter, lend or transfer a firearm or
other weapon other than an ordinary pocketknife to a minor less than
the age of 18 without his parent’s permission, or to any person of
unsound mind.

It is unlawful for any dealer to sell or transfer any firearm,
pistol,
Springfield rifle or other repeating rifle to a minor.

A minor less than 18 years of age may not possess a firearm, other
than an unloaded firearm at his home, unless engaged in lawful
activities.


Reads a bit ambiguous to me.

You can't sell or give a firearm to a minor under 18 without a note
from
the parents.

A dealer can't sell a firearm to a minor.

So, are those over 18 considered minors?

And what lawful activities allow a minor under 18 to possess a loaded
firearm.

Funny stuff on first reading.

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Who and what determines "unsound mind" ?

Half of rec.boats wouldn't qualify to own a slingshot.

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On Thu, 20 Jun 2013 16:52:32 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

Who and what determines "unsound mind" ?

790.23;

4. Has been adjudicated mentally defective or has been committed to a
mental institution by a court and as a result is prohibited by federal
law from purchasing a firearm.
a. As used in this subparagraph, “adjudicated mentally defective�
means a determination by a court that a person, as a result of marked
subnormal intelligence, or mental illness, incompetency, condition, or
disease, is a danger to himself or herself or to others or lacks the
mental capacity to contract or manage his or her own affairs. The
phrase includes a judicial finding of incapacity under s.
744.331(6)(a), an acquittal by reason of insanity of a person charged
with a criminal offense, and a judicial finding that a criminal
defendant is not competent to stand trial.

-----------------------------------------

So how is this accomplished without benefit of a background check, the
data of which may include pertinent information regarding the
"mentally defective" nature of the buyer or transferee?

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On Thu, 20 Jun 2013 16:19:23 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 6/20/13 4:11 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 20 Jun 2013 14:43:09 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 6/20/13 2:26 PM, Califbill wrote
-------------------

Sure. But something about Federal law and under 18 can not buy
handguns. So to buy one you have to be breaking the law.



Federal law says you have to be 21 to buy a handgun or ammo for a handgun.

18 U.S.C. 922(b)(1), 27 CFR 478.99(b)

We do have a Florida law about it tho.

It is unlawful to sell, give, barter, lend or transfer a firearm or
other weapon other than an ordinary pocketknife to a minor less than
the age of 18 without his parent’s permission, or to any person of
unsound mind.

It is unlawful for any dealer to sell or transfer any firearm, pistol,
Springfield rifle or other repeating rifle to a minor.

A minor less than 18 years of age may not possess a firearm, other
than an unloaded firearm at his home, unless engaged in lawful
activities.


Reads a bit ambiguous to me.

You can't sell or give a firearm to a minor under 18 without a note from
the parents.

A dealer can't sell a firearm to a minor.

So, are those over 18 considered minors?

And what lawful activities allow a minor under 18 to possess a loaded
firearm.

Funny stuff on first reading.

Hunting or target shooting to name a couple lawful activities.

John H.
--

Hope you're having a great day!

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In article ,
says...

On Thu, 20 Jun 2013 19:45:07 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


So how is this accomplished without benefit of a background check, the
data of which may include pertinent information regarding the
"mentally defective" nature of the buyer or transferee?


Dealers do background checks on firearm transfers whether it is a
"stocked" item or a gun from their private stash .. That is federal
law.

Private sellers do not have access to the NCIC database so we don't
know how many of them would use it.

Dance, dance, dance Mr NRA.
Private sellers can use a FFL's access to NCIC. In some
states that would be easier than filling out state forms.
And no, I don't expect states to repeal their more
restrictive gun sales laws.
I gather Mr Krause uses a FFL for his private gun sales.
He can speak to the unbearable pain and cost that
entails.
You're just a cheapskate, and anti-regulation.
And we know exactly who would use NCIC if it was required
by law for private sales.
Law-abiders. Simple as that.
And you can't dance out of it.

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"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
m...

On 6/20/13 4:11 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 20 Jun 2013 14:43:09 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 6/20/13 2:26 PM, Califbill wrote
-------------------

Sure. But something about Federal law and under 18 can not buy
handguns. So to buy one you have to be breaking the law.



Federal law says you have to be 21 to buy a handgun or ammo for a
handgun.

18 U.S.C. 922(b)(1), 27 CFR 478.99(b)

We do have a Florida law about it tho.

It is unlawful to sell, give, barter, lend or transfer a firearm or
other weapon other than an ordinary pocketknife to a minor less than
the age of 18 without his parent’s permission, or to any person of
unsound mind.

It is unlawful for any dealer to sell or transfer any firearm, pistol,
Springfield rifle or other repeating rifle to a minor.

A minor less than 18 years of age may not possess a firearm, other
than an unloaded firearm at his home, unless engaged in lawful
activities.


Reads a bit ambiguous to me.

You can't sell or give a firearm to a minor under 18 without a note from
the parents.

A dealer can't sell a firearm to a minor.

So, are those over 18 considered minors?

And what lawful activities allow a minor under 18 to possess a loaded
firearm.

Funny stuff on first reading.


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legal activities would be shooting range, hunting, etc.

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On 6/20/13 9:49 PM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Thu, 20 Jun 2013 19:45:07 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


So how is this accomplished without benefit of a background check, the
data of which may include pertinent information regarding the
"mentally defective" nature of the buyer or transferee?


Dealers do background checks on firearm transfers whether it is a
"stocked" item or a gun from their private stash .. That is federal
law.

Private sellers do not have access to the NCIC database so we don't
know how many of them would use it.

Dance, dance, dance Mr NRA.
Private sellers can use a FFL's access to NCIC. In some
states that would be easier than filling out state forms.
And no, I don't expect states to repeal their more
restrictive gun sales laws.
I gather Mr Krause uses a FFL for his private gun sales.
He can speak to the unbearable pain and cost that
entails.
You're just a cheapskate, and anti-regulation.
And we know exactly who would use NCIC if it was required
by law for private sales.
Law-abiders. Simple as that.
And you can't dance out of it.


Actually, the few times I have sold a firearm, I have used
an FFL. Once it cost me $10 or so because the buyer and I split the cost.

I shipped my recently sold CZ pistol via UPS to my buyer's FFL. The
buyer paid for the shipping and the FFL's services. I've heard of idiots
who have used the US Postal Service to ship pistols to try to save a few
bucks. That is a no-no.

I've never found the firearms background check system to be anything but
a good idea. It certainly isn't inconvenient in Maryland to wait a week
or 10 days for the state police to run their check on a pistol purchase.
I've never needed a pistol "in a hurry." There's no delay here for
buying a rifle or shotgun.

We have changes coming in Maryland in a few months in gun purchases.
None of them will inconvenience me.

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In article z-mdnUcZ_q5_
,
says...


Your hands may be clean but your mind is a little confused. You seem
to associate "law abiding gun owners" as being lock step in line with
the NRA's leadership positions, specifically those of Wayne LaPierre.
That's just not so. The vast majority of law abiding gun owners,
(even including those who are NRA members) are in favor of and support
universal background checks for everyone. If a clean bill were
introduced without a list of amendments by some members of Congress
with personal agendas, it is likely that the NRA's opposition and
lobbying strength could be overcome.

Don't be silly. Everybody discussing this knows the
majority of NRA members support universal background
checks. Joe Scarborough trumpeted that daily.
But that's just a polling question. Most of the dumb
asses answering the poll thought it was already the law.
Greg is the "law abiding" gun owner I was talking to.
He opposes a federal law requiring background checks for
all gun sales. He's a gun nut. Simple as that.
And you're naive to think ANY "clean bill" would get
through Congress.
Reid had a clean bill. No way in hell it could come
close to flying.
Hell, even the watered down Toomey and Manchin amendment
didn't pass the "new" 60 vote thresh-hold.
Only covered gun shows and internet sales.
But excluded background checks for gun transfers between
family and friends.
"Friends?" That's real good.
"Sure, he was my friend, but he never told me about that
insane asylum commitment or felony convictions. Nope,
never mentioned the restraining order either. Gee."
Get over it. The Senate is corrupt. No sense even
talking about the House. And Greg is happy with that.
Me, I'll survive just fine until I'm dead, and am happy
enough.
Forget about any gun legislation unless gun violence
takes an extended turn for the worse. I predicted that
Congress would do nothing when gun legislation was
bandied about after the school killings up your way.
And I was right. You see, it doesn't matter that you and
I and most others think universal background checks are
reasonable.
The NRA leadership and Greg disagree. They are in
lockstep.