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iBoaterer[_3_] May 10th 13 01:17 PM

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http://tinyurl.com/cwydck5


BAR[_2_] May 12th 13 02:41 PM

The right wing anti-technology types won't like this!!!
 
In article , says...

http://tinyurl.com/cwydck5

More proof that Consumer Reports is a useless rag.

John H[_2_] May 12th 13 03:01 PM

The right wing anti-technology types won't like this!!!
 
On Sun, 12 May 2013 09:41:24 -0400, BAR wrote:

In article , says...

http://tinyurl.com/cwydck5

More proof that Consumer Reports is a useless rag.


Teslas are still out of my price range, but I don't have a problem with the CR testing. Note the
comment about reliability, which was not scored.

I saw one on the way to Richmond the other day. I-95 was stopped (naturally), and the Tesla was
right next to me. Good looking car.

John H.
--

Hope you're having a great day!

Wayne B May 12th 13 04:20 PM

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On Sun, 12 May 2013 09:41:24 -0400, BAR wrote:

In article , says...

http://tinyurl.com/cwydck5

More proof that Consumer Reports is a useless rag.


====

That seems a bit harsh. I've always thought their car reviews were
pretty good in fact. They've always been a big fan of Toyotas and so
am I. If CR didn't like a lot of what Detroit was producing, that's
just a reflection of their accuracy and perceptiveness in my opinion.

BAR[_2_] May 12th 13 04:43 PM

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In article ,
says...

On Sun, 12 May 2013 09:41:24 -0400, BAR wrote:

In article ,
says...

http://tinyurl.com/cwydck5

More proof that Consumer Reports is a useless rag.


====

That seems a bit harsh. I've always thought their car reviews were
pretty good in fact. They've always been a big fan of Toyotas and so
am I. If CR didn't like a lot of what Detroit was producing, that's
just a reflection of their accuracy and perceptiveness in my opinion.


They myth of the Toyota has been blown up in recent years.

iBoaterer[_3_] May 12th 13 04:58 PM

The right wing anti-technology types won't like this!!!
 
In article ,
says...

In article ,
says...

http://tinyurl.com/cwydck5

More proof that Consumer Reports is a useless rag.


Cite this alleged "proof". Is it because like other FOXite's you've been
told that new technology is bad?

iBoaterer[_3_] May 12th 13 04:59 PM

The right wing anti-technology types won't like this!!!
 
In article ,
says...

On Sun, 12 May 2013 09:41:24 -0400, BAR wrote:

In article ,
says...

http://tinyurl.com/cwydck5

More proof that Consumer Reports is a useless rag.


====

That seems a bit harsh. I've always thought their car reviews were
pretty good in fact. They've always been a big fan of Toyotas and so
am I. If CR didn't like a lot of what Detroit was producing, that's
just a reflection of their accuracy and perceptiveness in my opinion.


BAR has been told by FOX that CR is bad.

Wayne B May 12th 13 05:34 PM

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On Sun, 12 May 2013 11:43:52 -0400, BAR wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Sun, 12 May 2013 09:41:24 -0400, BAR wrote:

In article ,
says...

http://tinyurl.com/cwydck5

More proof that Consumer Reports is a useless rag.


====

That seems a bit harsh. I've always thought their car reviews were
pretty good in fact. They've always been a big fan of Toyotas and so
am I. If CR didn't like a lot of what Detroit was producing, that's
just a reflection of their accuracy and perceptiveness in my opinion.


They myth of the Toyota has been blown up in recent years.


=========

There's no myth - the darn things are like the energizer bunny; they
just keep running and running and running. They're not perfect but
my wife and I have owned a bunch of them. All have gone well over ten
years and well over 150,000 miles with only minimal unscheduled
maintenance. Several were eventually handed down to the kids. I'm
still driving my V8, 4WD Tundra which is now almost 12 years old and
over 100K miles. That's my definition of reliability and low upkeep.
The Honda Accords are excellent also. I've only owned three Detroit
products in my adult years. All were purchased new, or almost new,
and maintained to factory schedules. None of them made it past 6 or
7 years, and all of them had become maintenance hogs by that time.

I wish Toyota made boat engines. Those V-8s they use in the Tundra
would be real winners.

True North[_2_] May 12th 13 06:39 PM

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Four years with the RAV4 and I can't remember a single problem that I had to take it in for...other than scheduled semi-annual oil changes and 2 safety recalls.
Sure hope my new Highlander is as reliable.
Seven weeks and I have almost 2000 kilometers on the odometer.

John H[_2_] May 12th 13 06:39 PM

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On Sun, 12 May 2013 11:20:12 -0400, Wayne B wrote:

On Sun, 12 May 2013 09:41:24 -0400, BAR wrote:

In article , says...

http://tinyurl.com/cwydck5

More proof that Consumer Reports is a useless rag.


====

That seems a bit harsh. I've always thought their car reviews were
pretty good in fact. They've always been a big fan of Toyotas and so
am I. If CR didn't like a lot of what Detroit was producing, that's
just a reflection of their accuracy and perceptiveness in my opinion.


CR's been giving some of the Buicks pretty high marks, and, of course, Chrysler continues to suck
hind teat.

John H.
--

Hope you're having a great day!

John H[_2_] May 12th 13 06:42 PM

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On Sun, 12 May 2013 11:43:52 -0400, BAR wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Sun, 12 May 2013 09:41:24 -0400, BAR wrote:

In article ,
says...

http://tinyurl.com/cwydck5

More proof that Consumer Reports is a useless rag.


====

That seems a bit harsh. I've always thought their car reviews were
pretty good in fact. They've always been a big fan of Toyotas and so
am I. If CR didn't like a lot of what Detroit was producing, that's
just a reflection of their accuracy and perceptiveness in my opinion.


They myth of the Toyota has been blown up in recent years.


We had no problem with our 4Runner, and the Highlander has yet to have anything done to it other
than maintenance. I'd buy them again. My wife's thinking of a RAV4 for her next 'girlie car'.

John H.
--

Hope you're having a great day!

True North[_2_] May 12th 13 06:57 PM

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Proves she's the brains of your family.

iBoaterer[_3_] May 12th 13 06:58 PM

The right wing anti-technology types won't like this!!!
 
In article ,
says...

In article ,

says...

On Sun, 12 May 2013 09:41:24 -0400, BAR wrote:

In article ,
says...

http://tinyurl.com/cwydck5

More proof that Consumer Reports is a useless rag.


====

That seems a bit harsh. I've always thought their car reviews were
pretty good in fact. They've always been a big fan of Toyotas and so
am I. If CR didn't like a lot of what Detroit was producing, that's
just a reflection of their accuracy and perceptiveness in my opinion.


They myth of the Toyota has been blown up in recent years.


What "myth"?

iBoaterer[_3_] May 12th 13 07:03 PM

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In article ,
says...

On Sun, 12 May 2013 11:20:12 -0400, Wayne B wrote:

On Sun, 12 May 2013 09:41:24 -0400, BAR wrote:

In article ,
says...

http://tinyurl.com/cwydck5

More proof that Consumer Reports is a useless rag.


====

That seems a bit harsh. I've always thought their car reviews were
pretty good in fact. They've always been a big fan of Toyotas and so
am I. If CR didn't like a lot of what Detroit was producing, that's
just a reflection of their accuracy and perceptiveness in my opinion.


CR's been giving some of the Buicks pretty high marks, and, of course, Chrysler continues to suck
hind teat.

John H.


As usual, you'd be wrong.

http://tinyurl.com/7raeolv

http://tinyurl.com/budyg4k

http://tinyurl.com/3dtevlz

John H[_2_] May 12th 13 07:10 PM

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On Sun, 12 May 2013 10:57:06 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:

Proves she's the brains of your family.


Absolutely no doubt about that!

Have you noticed yourself following Harry around to pat him on the back for his personal attacks?

John H.
--

Hope you're having a great day!

Wayne B May 12th 13 07:13 PM

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On Sun, 12 May 2013 14:03:47 -0400, iBoaterer
wrote:


http://tinyurl.com/budyg4k


====

"No American-made autos made the magazine's Top 10 list for 2013, so
it created a second list of just cars made in the USA. Read on ..."

Are you sure that's the point you were trying to make?

True North[_2_] May 12th 13 07:32 PM

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No.....but I've noticed your endless trolling trying to agitate and get a response out of Harry.
What's up with that?

iBoaterer[_3_] May 12th 13 08:19 PM

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On Sun, 12 May 2013 10:57:06 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:

Proves she's the brains of your family.


Absolutely no doubt about that!

Have you noticed yourself following Harry around to pat him on the back for his personal attacks?

John H.


Another troll.

iBoaterer[_3_] May 12th 13 08:21 PM

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In article ,
says...

On Sun, 12 May 2013 14:03:47 -0400, iBoaterer
wrote:


http://tinyurl.com/budyg4k

====

"No American-made autos made the magazine's Top 10 list for 2013, so
it created a second list of just cars made in the USA. Read on ..."

Are you sure that's the point you were trying to make?


Yes, it is. Notice if you will, the list for U.S. cars includes 2
Chrysler models.

Eisboch[_8_] May 12th 13 08:32 PM

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"iBoaterer" wrote in message
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They myth of the Toyota has been blown up in recent years.


What "myth"?

---------------------------------------------

The only serious issue and controversy surrounding Toyota in recent
years was a problem they had with certain pickups, mostly sold and
used in the northeast. There was a design flaw that resulted in
premature rotting of a cross member in the frame. Initially Toyota
screwed up by denying there was a problem but ultimately they stepped
up to the plate and replaced the affected frame sections on *all* the
trucks, even if well out of warranty. In some cases, they actually
bought the truck back and gave the owner a new one.

I have a friend who had one of the affected trucks. He liked it a lot
but due to his experiences in getting it fixed, he bought a Ford F-150
instead.



Boating All Out May 13th 13 01:50 AM

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"iBoaterer" wrote in message
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They myth of the Toyota has been blown up in recent years.


What "myth"?

---------------------------------------------

The only serious issue and controversy surrounding Toyota in recent
years was a problem they had with certain pickups, mostly sold and
used in the northeast. There was a design flaw that resulted in
premature rotting of a cross member in the frame. Initially Toyota
screwed up by denying there was a problem but ultimately they stepped
up to the plate and replaced the affected frame sections on *all* the
trucks, even if well out of warranty. In some cases, they actually
bought the truck back and gave the owner a new one.

I have a friend who had one of the affected trucks. He liked it a lot
but due to his experiences in getting it fixed, he bought a Ford F-150
instead.


Toyota had a huge recall recently for "unintended acceleration."
Whatever the merits of it, it was probably the biggest "controversy"
about cars this century.
Additionally, "Toyota settled a class-action engine-sludge suit in 2007
that covered an estimated 2.5-million Toyota and Lexus vehicles made
between 1997 and 2002."
http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/2...lack-death-of-
sludge/index.htm
I also recall that an often lauded Toyota 6 cyl engine was well known to
mechanics for head gasket failure. That was a straight 6 as I remember,
and predates the more recent Toyota 3.0 V6 head gasket problems.
So yes, there is an element of "myth" surrounding Toyota quality.
Simply googling for Toyota problems will show Toyota is far from
perfect. But they sell a lot of cars.
So it doesn't mean they don't make excellent cars, as their sales prove.
Their biggest advantage is that they are more ethical than most other
car makers, and take better care of their customers when mistakes are
made. Customer loyalty keeps them on top. No myth there.


Wayne B May 13th 13 02:58 AM

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On Sun, 12 May 2013 19:50:59 -0500, Boating All Out
wrote:

Their biggest advantage is that they are more ethical than most other
car makers, and take better care of their customers when mistakes are
made. Customer loyalty keeps them on top. No myth there.


====

Absolutely right abut that. When a flaw is discovered you frequently
end up with a life time warranty on that particular part. I dn't know
of anyone else who does that.

John H[_2_] May 13th 13 01:20 PM

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On Sunday, May 12, 2013 9:41:24 AM UTC-4, BAR wrote:
In article , says...



http://tinyurl.com/cwydck5



More proof that Consumer Reports is a useless rag.


Bert, check out the last few issues of Road and Track. They love the Tesla.

iBoaterer[_3_] May 13th 13 05:38 PM

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In article ,
says...

On Mon, 13 May 2013 05:20:04 -0700 (PDT), John H
wrote:

On Sunday, May 12, 2013 9:41:24 AM UTC-4, BAR wrote:
In article ,
says...



http://tinyurl.com/cwydck5



More proof that Consumer Reports is a useless rag.


Bert, check out the last few issues of Road and Track. They love the Tesla.


For 90 grand, it ought to be pretty nice.


There are many, many $90k cars out there that don't have the technical
advances, reliability, etc. of cars a LOT cheaper. "it showed us that
the silent, electron-powered future could actually work-and quickly, at
that."

The only thing R&T didn't like about it was the door handles!

Earl[_86_] May 15th 13 01:13 AM

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True North wrote:
Four years with the RAV4 and I can't remember a single problem that I had to take it in for...other than scheduled semi-annual oil changes and 2 safety recalls.
Sure hope my new Highlander is as reliable.
Seven weeks and I have almost 2000 kilometers on the odometer.

Semi-annual oil changes? You either don't drive much or you don't take
care of your cars.

True North[_2_] May 15th 13 02:11 AM

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I religiously follow the maintenance schedule..even having the service dept fill out and sign the book in addition to filing my receipts in my cabinet.

BAR[_2_] May 18th 13 09:19 PM

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In article , says...

In article ,
says...

On Mon, 13 May 2013 05:20:04 -0700 (PDT), John H
wrote:

On Sunday, May 12, 2013 9:41:24 AM UTC-4, BAR wrote:
In article ,
says...



http://tinyurl.com/cwydck5



More proof that Consumer Reports is a useless rag.

Bert, check out the last few issues of Road and Track. They love the Tesla.


For 90 grand, it ought to be pretty nice.


There are many, many $90k cars out there that don't have the technical
advances, reliability, etc. of cars a LOT cheaper. "it showed us that
the silent, electron-powered future could actually work-and quickly, at
that."

The only thing R&T didn't like about it was the door handles!


How about the problem with lack of "refueling stations"?

iBoaterer[_3_] May 18th 13 09:25 PM

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On Mon, 13 May 2013 05:20:04 -0700 (PDT), John H
wrote:

On Sunday, May 12, 2013 9:41:24 AM UTC-4, BAR wrote:
In article ,
says...



http://tinyurl.com/cwydck5



More proof that Consumer Reports is a useless rag.

Bert, check out the last few issues of Road and Track. They love the Tesla.

For 90 grand, it ought to be pretty nice.


There are many, many $90k cars out there that don't have the technical
advances, reliability, etc. of cars a LOT cheaper. "it showed us that
the silent, electron-powered future could actually work-and quickly, at
that."

The only thing R&T didn't like about it was the door handles!


How about the problem with lack of "refueling stations"?


They probably said the same thing to Henry Ford. Look, we get it,
FOXites are afraid of technology.

F.O.A.D. May 18th 13 11:10 PM

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On 5/18/13 6:04 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 18 May 2013 16:19:12 -0400, BAR wrote:

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says...


The only thing R&T didn't like about it was the door handles!


How about the problem with lack of "refueling stations"?


Ant the fact that it takes over an hour to "refuel" (every 150-180
miles)
The 450 mile trip from DC to Boston required 2 recharges, starting
with a full charge.



No onboard nuclear fueled steam turbine to generate 'lectricity?

iBoaterer[_3_] May 19th 13 04:08 PM

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In article , says...

On 5/18/13 6:04 PM,
wrote:
On Sat, 18 May 2013 16:19:12 -0400, BAR wrote:

In article ,
says...


The only thing R&T didn't like about it was the door handles!

How about the problem with lack of "refueling stations"?


Ant the fact that it takes over an hour to "refuel" (every 150-180
miles)
The 450 mile trip from DC to Boston required 2 recharges, starting
with a full charge.



No onboard nuclear fueled steam turbine to generate 'lectricity?


That's technology and they don't like technology. Rub two sticks
together to start a fire is about as technical as they want to get it
seems.

BAR[_2_] May 20th 13 02:57 PM

The right wing anti-technology types won't like this!!!
 
In article , says...

On Sat, 18 May 2013 16:19:12 -0400, BAR wrote:

In article ,
says...


The only thing R&T didn't like about it was the door handles!


How about the problem with lack of "refueling stations"?


Ant the fact that it takes over an hour to "refuel" (every 150-180
miles)
The 450 mile trip from DC to Boston required 2 recharges, starting
with a full charge.


If my F-150 was tuned up I could coast into boston on fumes from a full tank of gas.

BAR[_2_] May 20th 13 03:00 PM

The right wing anti-technology types won't like this!!!
 
In article , says...

In article ,
says...

On 5/18/13 6:04 PM,
wrote:
On Sat, 18 May 2013 16:19:12 -0400, BAR wrote:

In article ,
says...


The only thing R&T didn't like about it was the door handles!

How about the problem with lack of "refueling stations"?

Ant the fact that it takes over an hour to "refuel" (every 150-180
miles)
The 450 mile trip from DC to Boston required 2 recharges, starting
with a full charge.



No onboard nuclear fueled steam turbine to generate 'lectricity?


That's technology and they don't like technology. Rub two sticks
together to start a fire is about as technical as they want to get it
seems.


There is nothing wrong with new technology. The questions arise out of forcing the new
technology on to the people before it is ready. Solar panels only work when the sun is
shining. Wind turbines only work when the wind is blosing. Coal, natural gas, oil and nuclear
work 24 hours a day.

A battery is an energy storage device.

BAR[_2_] May 20th 13 05:04 PM

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In article , says...

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says...

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On Mon, 13 May 2013 05:20:04 -0700 (PDT), John H
wrote:

On Sunday, May 12, 2013 9:41:24 AM UTC-4, BAR wrote:
In article ,
says...



http://tinyurl.com/cwydck5



More proof that Consumer Reports is a useless rag.

Bert, check out the last few issues of Road and Track. They love the Tesla.

For 90 grand, it ought to be pretty nice.

There are many, many $90k cars out there that don't have the technical
advances, reliability, etc. of cars a LOT cheaper. "it showed us that
the silent, electron-powered future could actually work-and quickly, at
that."

The only thing R&T didn't like about it was the door handles!


How about the problem with lack of "refueling stations"?


They probably said the same thing to Henry Ford. Look, we get it,
FOXites are afraid of technology.


The issues is speed and efficiency. I can pull into a gasoline station and fill up my tank in
a matter of minutes and be on my way. If I have to pull into a electric charging station I am
going to be sitting around for a long time waiting for my electrons to be transferred into my
battery. Therein lies the problem, speed and effiency of refueling. This problem existed 115
years ago and it still exists now.

Also the whole issue of where does the electricy to refuel these electric cars come from
hasn't been addressed. When everyone pulls into their garage each night and plugs their cars
into the in-house there will be a surge in demand. Does the current electrical grid have the
ability to service this demand? With everyone turning on their electric applicances the
demand for electricty will be even greater. Also, do you really want a charging station in
your garage attached to your house? I don't the charging stations have a habit of bursting
into flames igniting the house on fire. If you are not burning gasoline and diesel in cars
and trucks then it will need to be burned at the power generating station. Remember when the
wind stops and the sun goes down wind and solar are useless.

I will keep my gasoline powered vehicles for quite some time due to the fact that I can
continue to live my life without scheduling things around auto charging schedules. If I need
gasoline I can get the next time I am driving and it will take less than 10 minutes and I am
good for another week or two.

iBoaterer[_3_] May 20th 13 07:04 PM

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On Mon, 13 May 2013 05:20:04 -0700 (PDT), John H
wrote:

On Sunday, May 12, 2013 9:41:24 AM UTC-4, BAR wrote:
In article ,
says...



http://tinyurl.com/cwydck5



More proof that Consumer Reports is a useless rag.

Bert, check out the last few issues of Road and Track. They love the Tesla.

For 90 grand, it ought to be pretty nice.

There are many, many $90k cars out there that don't have the technical
advances, reliability, etc. of cars a LOT cheaper. "it showed us that
the silent, electron-powered future could actually work-and quickly, at
that."

The only thing R&T didn't like about it was the door handles!

How about the problem with lack of "refueling stations"?


They probably said the same thing to Henry Ford. Look, we get it,
FOXites are afraid of technology.


The issues is speed and efficiency. I can pull into a gasoline station and fill up my tank in
a matter of minutes and be on my way. If I have to pull into a electric charging station I am
going to be sitting around for a long time waiting for my electrons to be transferred into my
battery. Therein lies the problem, speed and effiency of refueling. This problem existed 115
years ago and it still exists now.

Also the whole issue of where does the electricy to refuel these electric cars come from
hasn't been addressed. When everyone pulls into their garage each night and plugs their cars
into the in-house there will be a surge in demand. Does the current electrical grid have the
ability to service this demand? With everyone turning on their electric applicances the
demand for electricty will be even greater. Also, do you really want a charging station in
your garage attached to your house? I don't the charging stations have a habit of bursting
into flames igniting the house on fire. If you are not burning gasoline and diesel in cars
and trucks then it will need to be burned at the power generating station. Remember when the
wind stops and the sun goes down wind and solar are useless.

I will keep my gasoline powered vehicles for quite some time due to the fact that I can
continue to live my life without scheduling things around auto charging schedules. If I need
gasoline I can get the next time I am driving and it will take less than 10 minutes and I am
good for another week or two.


Of course..... As I said.....

BAR[_2_] May 20th 13 08:11 PM

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In article , says...

On Mon, 20 May 2013 12:04:56 -0400, BAR wrote:

Also the whole issue of where does the electricy to refuel these electric cars come from
hasn't been addressed. When everyone pulls into their garage each night and plugs their cars
into the in-house there will be a surge in demand. Does the current electrical grid have the
ability to service this demand? With everyone turning on their electric applicances the
demand for electricty will be even greater. Also, do you really want a charging station in
your garage attached to your house? I don't the charging stations have a habit of bursting
into flames igniting the house on fire. If you are not burning gasoline and diesel in cars
and trucks then it will need to be burned at the power generating station. Remember when the
wind stops and the sun goes down wind and solar are useless.


These are problems electric car fans seem to ignore.
Right now the nights are when power is cheap because that is a low
demand time but a significant number of cars hitting the grid could
easily flip that.
You also have the road tax issue. They will need to replace that
money.

As long as these are fairly rare, it is a good thing for the rich
people who can afford to buy one of these toys but that would change
quickly if it became a more commonly owned vehicle.


The only solution is to use the EZ-Pass system to record every vehicle passing an
intersection and charge them a road tax based upon their milage and the weight of the
vehicle. This will require that the current gasoline and diesel fuel taxes will have to be
repealed.

JustWaitAFrekinMinute May 20th 13 08:38 PM

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On 5/20/2013 3:11 PM, BAR wrote:
In article , says...

On Mon, 20 May 2013 12:04:56 -0400, BAR wrote:

Also the whole issue of where does the electricy to refuel these electric cars come from
hasn't been addressed. When everyone pulls into their garage each night and plugs their cars
into the in-house there will be a surge in demand. Does the current electrical grid have the
ability to service this demand? With everyone turning on their electric applicances the
demand for electricty will be even greater. Also, do you really want a charging station in
your garage attached to your house? I don't the charging stations have a habit of bursting
into flames igniting the house on fire. If you are not burning gasoline and diesel in cars
and trucks then it will need to be burned at the power generating station. Remember when the
wind stops and the sun goes down wind and solar are useless.


These are problems electric car fans seem to ignore.
Right now the nights are when power is cheap because that is a low
demand time but a significant number of cars hitting the grid could
easily flip that.
You also have the road tax issue. They will need to replace that
money.

As long as these are fairly rare, it is a good thing for the rich
people who can afford to buy one of these toys but that would change
quickly if it became a more commonly owned vehicle.


The only solution is to use the EZ-Pass system to record every vehicle passing an
intersection and charge them a road tax based upon their milage and the weight of the
vehicle. This will require that the current gasoline and diesel fuel taxes will have to be
repealed.


They will not be repealed, they will just be added on to... They are
already testing systems like that, I "cited" that for loogie over a year
ago... It was iirc, in Oregon... Testing a system which would tax
motorists based on a GPS in the cars black box... Swore your info
wouldn't get out btw.. LOL!

F.O.A.D. May 20th 13 08:49 PM

The right wing anti-technology types won't like this!!!
 
On 5/20/13 3:38 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 5/20/2013 3:11 PM, BAR wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Mon, 20 May 2013 12:04:56 -0400, BAR wrote:

Also the whole issue of where does the electricy to refuel these
electric cars come from
hasn't been addressed. When everyone pulls into their garage each
night and plugs their cars
into the in-house there will be a surge in demand. Does the current
electrical grid have the
ability to service this demand? With everyone turning on their
electric applicances the
demand for electricty will be even greater. Also, do you really want
a charging station in
your garage attached to your house? I don't the charging stations
have a habit of bursting
into flames igniting the house on fire. If you are not burning
gasoline and diesel in cars
and trucks then it will need to be burned at the power generating
station. Remember when the
wind stops and the sun goes down wind and solar are useless.

These are problems electric car fans seem to ignore.
Right now the nights are when power is cheap because that is a low
demand time but a significant number of cars hitting the grid could
easily flip that.
You also have the road tax issue. They will need to replace that
money.

As long as these are fairly rare, it is a good thing for the rich
people who can afford to buy one of these toys but that would change
quickly if it became a more commonly owned vehicle.


The only solution is to use the EZ-Pass system to record every vehicle
passing an
intersection and charge them a road tax based upon their milage and
the weight of the
vehicle. This will require that the current gasoline and diesel fuel
taxes will have to be
repealed.


They will not be repealed, they will just be added on to... They are
already testing systems like that, I "cited" that for loogie over a year
ago... It was iirc, in Oregon... Testing a system which would tax
motorists based on a GPS in the cars black box... Swore your info
wouldn't get out btw.. LOL!


Perhaps the fee will double if you are towing a dirtbike.

JustWaitAFrekinMinute May 20th 13 10:11 PM

The right wing anti-technology types won't like this!!!
 
On 5/20/2013 3:49 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 5/20/13 3:38 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 5/20/2013 3:11 PM, BAR wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Mon, 20 May 2013 12:04:56 -0400, BAR wrote:

Also the whole issue of where does the electricy to refuel these
electric cars come from
hasn't been addressed. When everyone pulls into their garage each
night and plugs their cars
into the in-house there will be a surge in demand. Does the current
electrical grid have the
ability to service this demand? With everyone turning on their
electric applicances the
demand for electricty will be even greater. Also, do you really want
a charging station in
your garage attached to your house? I don't the charging stations
have a habit of bursting
into flames igniting the house on fire. If you are not burning
gasoline and diesel in cars
and trucks then it will need to be burned at the power generating
station. Remember when the
wind stops and the sun goes down wind and solar are useless.

These are problems electric car fans seem to ignore.
Right now the nights are when power is cheap because that is a low
demand time but a significant number of cars hitting the grid could
easily flip that.
You also have the road tax issue. They will need to replace that
money.

As long as these are fairly rare, it is a good thing for the rich
people who can afford to buy one of these toys but that would change
quickly if it became a more commonly owned vehicle.

The only solution is to use the EZ-Pass system to record every vehicle
passing an
intersection and charge them a road tax based upon their milage and
the weight of the
vehicle. This will require that the current gasoline and diesel fuel
taxes will have to be
repealed.


They will not be repealed, they will just be added on to... They are
already testing systems like that, I "cited" that for loogie over a year
ago... It was iirc, in Oregon... Testing a system which would tax
motorists based on a GPS in the cars black box... Swore your info
wouldn't get out btw.. LOL!


Perhaps the fee will double if you are towing a dirtbike.


Yuk, yuk... you add so much..

F.O.A.D. May 20th 13 10:31 PM

The right wing anti-technology types won't like this!!!
 
On 5/20/13 5:11 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 5/20/2013 3:49 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 5/20/13 3:38 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 5/20/2013 3:11 PM, BAR wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Mon, 20 May 2013 12:04:56 -0400, BAR wrote:

Also the whole issue of where does the electricy to refuel these
electric cars come from
hasn't been addressed. When everyone pulls into their garage each
night and plugs their cars
into the in-house there will be a surge in demand. Does the current
electrical grid have the
ability to service this demand? With everyone turning on their
electric applicances the
demand for electricty will be even greater. Also, do you really want
a charging station in
your garage attached to your house? I don't the charging stations
have a habit of bursting
into flames igniting the house on fire. If you are not burning
gasoline and diesel in cars
and trucks then it will need to be burned at the power generating
station. Remember when the
wind stops and the sun goes down wind and solar are useless.

These are problems electric car fans seem to ignore.
Right now the nights are when power is cheap because that is a low
demand time but a significant number of cars hitting the grid could
easily flip that.
You also have the road tax issue. They will need to replace that
money.

As long as these are fairly rare, it is a good thing for the rich
people who can afford to buy one of these toys but that would change
quickly if it became a more commonly owned vehicle.

The only solution is to use the EZ-Pass system to record every vehicle
passing an
intersection and charge them a road tax based upon their milage and
the weight of the
vehicle. This will require that the current gasoline and diesel fuel
taxes will have to be
repealed.


They will not be repealed, they will just be added on to... They are
already testing systems like that, I "cited" that for loogie over a year
ago... It was iirc, in Oregon... Testing a system which would tax
motorists based on a GPS in the cars black box... Swore your info
wouldn't get out btw.. LOL!


Perhaps the fee will double if you are towing a dirtbike.


Yuk, yuk... you add so much..


Shouldn't matter to you...according to one of your posts here, your team
is the champion and therefore your sponsors should be paying your way,
right?

Eisboch[_8_] May 20th 13 11:13 PM

The right wing anti-technology types won't like this!!!
 


"BAR" wrote in message
. ..

In article ,
says...

In article ,

says...

On 5/18/13 6:04 PM,
wrote:
On Sat, 18 May 2013 16:19:12 -0400, BAR wrote:

In article
,
says...


The only thing R&T didn't like about it was the door handles!

How about the problem with lack of "refueling stations"?

Ant the fact that it takes over an hour to "refuel" (every
150-180
miles)
The 450 mile trip from DC to Boston required 2 recharges,
starting
with a full charge.



No onboard nuclear fueled steam turbine to generate 'lectricity?


That's technology and they don't like technology. Rub two sticks
together to start a fire is about as technical as they want to get
it
seems.


There is nothing wrong with new technology. The questions arise out of
forcing the new
technology on to the people before it is ready. Solar panels only work
when the sun is
shining. Wind turbines only work when the wind is blosing. Coal,
natural gas, oil and nuclear
work 24 hours a day.

A battery is an energy storage device.

------------------------------------

Exactly. It took some other form of energy to create the charge in
the battery. Hocus Pocus.




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