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In article , says... On Wed, 22 May 2013 13:11:20 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Wed, 22 May 2013 09:06:16 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: when caveman made fire, they thought that that damned new technology would burn up all of the wood they use to built shelter.... It did. Have you see Haiti? In fact that was the reason England started using coal. They were burning the trees so fast that they forests were in danger and the navy was worried about how they would build ships Well, there you go, damned technology! So, you don't use fire then, I assume? I don't burn a lot of wood. Fire is fire. And like I said, people said the exact same thing about gasoline when the first internal combustion engines were used in cars that you are saying about electric cars. We'll completely run out of fuel for heat, etc. If you really cared about the environment you would be using natural gas for all of your fire needs. http://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.cfm?id=73&t=11 |
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says... In article , says... "Boating All Out" wrote in message ... In article , says... In article , says... "BAR" wrote in message . .. A battery is an energy storage device. ------------------------------------ Exactly. It took some other form of energy to create the charge in the battery. Hocus Pocus. Yeah, don't those fools who use flashlights know that they aren't going to work? And that car battery that starts the car, who would be so foolish as to depend on that? The ignorance is kind of funny. No concept of the advantage of electric power plant efficiency vs internal combustion engine efficiency. Basically just knees jerking all over the place. Expect that from BAR, but somewhat surprised that Richard wasn't more thoughtful before saying what he did. Kool-Aid has strange effects. --------------------------- OMG. You too? Me too - what? You supported somebody (BAR) saying "The questions arise out of forcing the new technology on to the people before it is ready." Everybody knows a battery stores energy. Is that what you were agreeing with? If that's the case, then good for you. There's probably somebody out there who still thinks a battery generates electricity and never dies, so that makes you smarter than him. And if you think a battery is "hocus pocus," good for you on that too. Probably makes you sympatico with some as yet unfound New Guinea aboriginals who would think a battery is a magical device. If you were really just stating the obvious about a battery, my apologies. I took it as an often used poor argument against battery power by right-wingers. Namely, that power generation is just transferred elsewhere. That's true, but doesn't mean that batteries aren't more efficient in fossil fuel consumption than an ICE. You do know that my wife is a battery expert, she has over 28 years in the field of satellite batteries. She is well versed in NiCd, NiMh, Lithium and even plastic batteries. She talks batteries all of the time. |
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The right wing anti-technology types won't like this!!!
On Wed, 22 May 2013 18:43:14 -0400, BAR wrote:
In article , says... On Tue, 21 May 2013 17:06:55 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: Most of the tiny, roller-skate-on-wheels electric cars being marketed today are good for about 80 miles before recharge. A full recharge takes 4-8 hours. Not very comfortable and unrealistic for a 400 mile trip. ========= I would guesstimate that about 95% of my driving could be done with a reliable range of 120 miles. Without some breakthrough it may never be realistic to take an EV on long trips. Most people have a second vehicle of some sort however. The EV is nothing more that a smart phone. You want to take it everywhere you go but, you have to make sure that you have some way of charging its batteries where ever you go. ==== I think that comparing an EV to a smart phone is a poor analogy. Most people don't want to bother with a second phone or a second phone number, but lots of people have second vehicles. Like I said, at least 95% of my driving could be done with a range of 120 miles or perhaps even less. For everything else I'd take the truck. |
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says... On Wed, 22 May 2013 18:43:14 -0400, BAR wrote: In article , says... On Tue, 21 May 2013 17:06:55 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: Most of the tiny, roller-skate-on-wheels electric cars being marketed today are good for about 80 miles before recharge. A full recharge takes 4-8 hours. Not very comfortable and unrealistic for a 400 mile trip. ========= I would guesstimate that about 95% of my driving could be done with a reliable range of 120 miles. Without some breakthIrough it may never be realistic to take an EV on long trips. Most people have a second vehicle of some sort however. The EV is nothing more that a smart phone. You want to take it everywhere you go but, you have to make sure that you have some way of charging its batteries where ever you go. ==== I think that comparing an EV to a smart phone is a poor analogy. Most people don't want to bother with a second phone or a second phone number, but lots of people have second vehicles. Like I said, at least 95% of my driving could be done with a range of 120 miles or perhaps even less. For everything else I'd take the truck. Sure it is, comparing a smart phone to an EV. Most people only have one auto for transportation. Both types of devices need to be charged daily just from normal usage. If I only had one auto I would not have an all electric vehicle, it limits my ability to travel freely. |
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On Thu, 23 May 2013 07:17:45 -0400, BAR wrote:
If I only had one auto I would not have an all electric vehicle, it limits my ability to travel freely. === I agree with that. With only one vehicle you either need rapid recharge, battery pack swapping or much longer range than is available now. However at some point it becomes cheaper to rent a car for taking long trips if you don't do it that often. If you can get a rental with unlimited mileage for around $200/week, it is cheaper than driving your own on long trips. |
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On 5/23/2013 10:01 AM, Wayne B wrote:
On Thu, 23 May 2013 07:17:45 -0400, BAR wrote: If I only had one auto I would not have an all electric vehicle, it limits my ability to travel freely. === I agree with that. With only one vehicle you either need rapid recharge, battery pack swapping or much longer range than is available now. However at some point it becomes cheaper to rent a car for taking long trips if you don't do it that often. If you can get a rental with unlimited mileage for around $200/week, it is cheaper than driving your own on long trips. Small electric vehicles would be perfect for you to carry on your boat. |
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says... In article , says... In article , says... On Wed, 22 May 2013 09:07:47 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: I'd buy an all-electric car the size of a Toyota Corolla if it sold for about $20,000, had a 300-mile range at 55-60 mph, and there weren't long term issues with the batteries. That's easy enough! If it is so easy, why isn't someone doing it. They are coming down in price as we speak. Why don't you take one for the team and help bring down the price by purchasing one of these over priced 30 mile per charge electric vehicles. Don't wait for other people to do it, be a leader yourself. My sister and BIL have one and love it. |
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says... On Wed, 22 May 2013 18:43:14 -0400, BAR wrote: In article , says... On Tue, 21 May 2013 17:06:55 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: Most of the tiny, roller-skate-on-wheels electric cars being marketed today are good for about 80 miles before recharge. A full recharge takes 4-8 hours. Not very comfortable and unrealistic for a 400 mile trip. ========= I would guesstimate that about 95% of my driving could be done with a reliable range of 120 miles. Without some breakthrough it may never be realistic to take an EV on long trips. Most people have a second vehicle of some sort however. The EV is nothing more that a smart phone. You want to take it everywhere you go but, you have to make sure that you have some way of charging its batteries where ever you go. ==== I think that comparing an EV to a smart phone is a poor analogy. Most people don't want to bother with a second phone or a second phone number, but lots of people have second vehicles. Like I said, at least 95% of my driving could be done with a range of 120 miles or perhaps even less. For everything else I'd take the truck. Now you are making SENSE, instead of just repeating what FOX says!! |
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On Thu, 23 May 2013 10:33:21 -0400, Hank©
wrote: On 5/23/2013 10:01 AM, Wayne B wrote: On Thu, 23 May 2013 07:17:45 -0400, BAR wrote: If I only had one auto I would not have an all electric vehicle, it limits my ability to travel freely. === I agree with that. With only one vehicle you either need rapid recharge, battery pack swapping or much longer range than is available now. However at some point it becomes cheaper to rent a car for taking long trips if you don't do it that often. If you can get a rental with unlimited mileage for around $200/week, it is cheaper than driving your own on long trips. Small electric vehicles would be perfect for you to carry on your boat. === Some people with slightly bigger boats than ours are already doing it with golf cart type vehicles. We've also been seeing a lot of electric bicycles recently. I'm tempted to get one myself. They offer a typical range of 10 to 15 miles and sometimes have the option of a spare battery pack. |
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On Thu, 23 May 2013 11:10:46 -0400, iBoaterer
wrote: Now you are making SENSE, instead of just repeating what FOX says!! === I almost never listen to FOX. I do read the Wall Street Journal but even though it is yet another Murdoch media outlet, the WSJ for the most part still carries out their long tradition of fair and balanced reporting. |
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On 5/23/2013 12:07 PM, Wayne B wrote:
On Thu, 23 May 2013 10:33:21 -0400, Hank© wrote: On 5/23/2013 10:01 AM, Wayne B wrote: On Thu, 23 May 2013 07:17:45 -0400, BAR wrote: If I only had one auto I would not have an all electric vehicle, it limits my ability to travel freely. === I agree with that. With only one vehicle you either need rapid recharge, battery pack swapping or much longer range than is available now. However at some point it becomes cheaper to rent a car for taking long trips if you don't do it that often. If you can get a rental with unlimited mileage for around $200/week, it is cheaper than driving your own on long trips. Small electric vehicles would be perfect for you to carry on your boat. === Some people with slightly bigger boats than ours are already doing it with golf cart type vehicles. We've also been seeing a lot of electric bicycles recently. I'm tempted to get one myself. They offer a typical range of 10 to 15 miles and sometimes have the option of a spare battery pack. From what I can see, the electric two wheeler has come into it's own. Seems plenty of decent manufacturers out there, putting out a decent piece of technology for the money... |
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On 5/23/2013 1:54 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 22 May 2013 23:18:05 -0400, Wayne B wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 18:43:14 -0400, BAR wrote: In article , says... On Tue, 21 May 2013 17:06:55 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: Most of the tiny, roller-skate-on-wheels electric cars being marketed today are good for about 80 miles before recharge. A full recharge takes 4-8 hours. Not very comfortable and unrealistic for a 400 mile trip. ========= I would guesstimate that about 95% of my driving could be done with a reliable range of 120 miles. Without some breakthrough it may never be realistic to take an EV on long trips. Most people have a second vehicle of some sort however. The EV is nothing more that a smart phone. You want to take it everywhere you go but, you have to make sure that you have some way of charging its batteries where ever you go. ==== I think that comparing an EV to a smart phone is a poor analogy. Most people don't want to bother with a second phone or a second phone number, but lots of people have second vehicles. Like I said, at least 95% of my driving could be done with a range of 120 miles or perhaps even less. For everything else I'd take the truck. The real issue then becomes the cost. If you just want an econobox to buzz around town, you are still money ahead getting a regular small car and use the money you save to buy gas. I have not seen an electric car option that can get me out of my Honda. If Lee County, Fl DEP and FPL really wanted to save the planet they would open up the road under the power line and cut a 200 yard cart road from there through the scrub to the San Carlos Park shopping center. It would not even have to be paved. I would just use my golf cart for most of my local driving. About 1/4th of my neighbors have carts too. The problem is, even a street legal cart (GEM or whatever) is not allowed on US41. If the cart path is not on the public road, they don't even have to be street legal. If it's not on a public road, it opens up some private individual or corp to a lot of liability... and regulations too... |
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says... On 5/23/2013 1:54 PM, wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 23:18:05 -0400, Wayne B wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 18:43:14 -0400, BAR wrote: In article , says... On Tue, 21 May 2013 17:06:55 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: Most of the tiny, roller-skate-on-wheels electric cars being marketed today are good for about 80 miles before recharge. A full recharge takes 4-8 hours. Not very comfortable and unrealistic for a 400 mile trip. ========= I would guesstimate that about 95% of my driving could be done with a reliable range of 120 miles. Without some breakthrough it may never be realistic to take an EV on long trips. Most people have a second vehicle of some sort however. The EV is nothing more that a smart phone. You want to take it everywhere you go but, you have to make sure that you have some way of charging its batteries where ever you go. ==== I think that comparing an EV to a smart phone is a poor analogy. Most people don't want to bother with a second phone or a second phone number, but lots of people have second vehicles. Like I said, at least 95% of my driving could be done with a range of 120 miles or perhaps even less. For everything else I'd take the truck. The real issue then becomes the cost. If you just want an econobox to buzz around town, you are still money ahead getting a regular small car and use the money you save to buy gas. I have not seen an electric car option that can get me out of my Honda. If Lee County, Fl DEP and FPL really wanted to save the planet they would open up the road under the power line and cut a 200 yard cart road from there through the scrub to the San Carlos Park shopping center. It would not even have to be paved. I would just use my golf cart for most of my local driving. About 1/4th of my neighbors have carts too. The problem is, even a street legal cart (GEM or whatever) is not allowed on US41. If the cart path is not on the public road, they don't even have to be street legal. If it's not on a public road, it opens up some private individual or corp to a lot of liability... and regulations too... Yeah, the same as if you were walking. |
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On 5/23/2013 12:07 PM, Wayne B wrote:
On Thu, 23 May 2013 10:33:21 -0400, Hank© wrote: On 5/23/2013 10:01 AM, Wayne B wrote: On Thu, 23 May 2013 07:17:45 -0400, BAR wrote: If I only had one auto I would not have an all electric vehicle, it limits my ability to travel freely. === I agree with that. With only one vehicle you either need rapid recharge, battery pack swapping or much longer range than is available now. However at some point it becomes cheaper to rent a car for taking long trips if you don't do it that often. If you can get a rental with unlimited mileage for around $200/week, it is cheaper than driving your own on long trips. Small electric vehicles would be perfect for you to carry on your boat. === Some people with slightly bigger boats than ours are already doing it with golf cart type vehicles. We've also been seeing a lot of electric bicycles recently. I'm tempted to get one myself. They offer a typical range of 10 to 15 miles and sometimes have the option of a spare battery pack. Check out the Pedego Mariner S. I'm about to order my second one. |
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On Thu, 23 May 2013 12:58:08 -0400, iBoaterer
wrote: I almost never listen to FOX. I do read the Wall Street Journal but even though it is yet another Murdoch media outlet, the WSJ for the most part still carries out their long tradition of fair and balanced reporting. Is that where you came up with the idea that everything liberal is just awful, corrupt, and bad, and that everything conservative is good? === You must be thinking of someone else. |
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