On Thu, 23 May 2013 10:33:21 -0400, Hank©
wrote:

On 5/23/2013 10:01 AM, Wayne B wrote:
On Thu, 23 May 2013 07:17:45 -0400, BAR wrote:

If I only had one auto I would not have an all electric vehicle, it limits my ability to
travel freely.

===

I agree with that. With only one vehicle you either need rapid
recharge, battery pack swapping or much longer range than is available
now. However at some point it becomes cheaper to rent a car for
taking long trips if you don't do it that often. If you can get a
rental with unlimited mileage for around $200/week, it is cheaper than
driving your own on long trips.


Small electric vehicles would be perfect for you to carry on your boat.

===

Some people with slightly bigger boats than ours are already doing it
with golf cart type vehicles. We've also been seeing a lot of
electric bicycles recently. I'm tempted to get one myself. They
offer a typical range of 10 to 15 miles and sometimes have the option
of a spare battery pack.

On Thu, 23 May 2013 11:10:46 -0400, iBoaterer
wrote:

Now you are making SENSE, instead of just repeating what FOX says!!

===

I almost never listen to FOX. I do read the Wall Street Journal but
even though it is yet another Murdoch media outlet, the WSJ for the
most part still carries out their long tradition of fair and balanced
reporting.

On 5/23/2013 12:07 PM, Wayne B wrote:
On Thu, 23 May 2013 10:33:21 -0400, Hank©
wrote:

On 5/23/2013 10:01 AM, Wayne B wrote:
On Thu, 23 May 2013 07:17:45 -0400, BAR wrote:

If I only had one auto I would not have an all electric vehicle, it limits my ability to
travel freely.

===

I agree with that. With only one vehicle you either need rapid
recharge, battery pack swapping or much longer range than is available
now. However at some point it becomes cheaper to rent a car for
taking long trips if you don't do it that often. If you can get a
rental with unlimited mileage for around $200/week, it is cheaper than
driving your own on long trips.


Small electric vehicles would be perfect for you to carry on your boat.

===

Some people with slightly bigger boats than ours are already doing it
with golf cart type vehicles. We've also been seeing a lot of
electric bicycles recently. I'm tempted to get one myself. They
offer a typical range of 10 to 15 miles and sometimes have the option
of a spare battery pack.


From what I can see, the electric two wheeler has come into it's own.
Seems plenty of decent manufacturers out there, putting out a decent
piece of technology for the money...

In article ,
says...

On Thu, 23 May 2013 11:10:46 -0400, iBoaterer
wrote:

Now you are making SENSE, instead of just repeating what FOX says!!

===

I almost never listen to FOX. I do read the Wall Street Journal but
even though it is yet another Murdoch media outlet, the WSJ for the
most part still carries out their long tradition of fair and balanced
reporting.

Is that where you came up with the idea that everything liberal is just
awful, corrupt, and bad, and that everything conservative is good?

On 5/23/2013 1:54 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 22 May 2013 23:18:05 -0400, Wayne B
wrote:

On Wed, 22 May 2013 18:43:14 -0400, BAR wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Tue, 21 May 2013 17:06:55 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

Most of the tiny, roller-skate-on-wheels electric cars being marketed
today are good for about 80 miles before recharge. A full recharge
takes 4-8 hours.
Not very comfortable and unrealistic for a 400 mile trip.

=========

I would guesstimate that about 95% of my driving could be done with a
reliable range of 120 miles. Without some breakthrough it may never
be realistic to take an EV on long trips. Most people have a second
vehicle of some sort however.

The EV is nothing more that a smart phone. You want to take it everywhere you go but, you
have to make sure that you have some way of charging its batteries where ever you go.

====

I think that comparing an EV to a smart phone is a poor analogy. Most
people don't want to bother with a second phone or a second phone
number, but lots of people have second vehicles. Like I said, at
least 95% of my driving could be done with a range of 120 miles or
perhaps even less. For everything else I'd take the truck.

The real issue then becomes the cost. If you just want an econobox to
buzz around town, you are still money ahead getting a regular small
car and use the money you save to buy gas.

I have not seen an electric car option that can get me out of my
Honda.
If Lee County, Fl DEP and FPL really wanted to save the planet they
would open up the road under the power line and cut a 200 yard cart
road from there through the scrub to the San Carlos Park shopping
center. It would not even have to be paved. I would just use my golf
cart for most of my local driving. About 1/4th of my neighbors have
carts too.
The problem is, even a street legal cart (GEM or whatever) is not
allowed on US41.
If the cart path is not on the public road, they don't even have to be
street legal.


If it's not on a public road, it opens up some private individual or
corp to a lot of liability... and regulations too...

In article ,
says...

On 5/23/2013 1:54 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 22 May 2013 23:18:05 -0400, Wayne B
wrote:

On Wed, 22 May 2013 18:43:14 -0400, BAR wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Tue, 21 May 2013 17:06:55 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

Most of the tiny, roller-skate-on-wheels electric cars being marketed
today are good for about 80 miles before recharge. A full recharge
takes 4-8 hours.
Not very comfortable and unrealistic for a 400 mile trip.

=========

I would guesstimate that about 95% of my driving could be done with a
reliable range of 120 miles. Without some breakthrough it may never
be realistic to take an EV on long trips. Most people have a second
vehicle of some sort however.

The EV is nothing more that a smart phone. You want to take it everywhere you go but, you
have to make sure that you have some way of charging its batteries where ever you go.

====

I think that comparing an EV to a smart phone is a poor analogy. Most
people don't want to bother with a second phone or a second phone
number, but lots of people have second vehicles. Like I said, at
least 95% of my driving could be done with a range of 120 miles or
perhaps even less. For everything else I'd take the truck.

The real issue then becomes the cost. If you just want an econobox to
buzz around town, you are still money ahead getting a regular small
car and use the money you save to buy gas.

I have not seen an electric car option that can get me out of my
Honda.
If Lee County, Fl DEP and FPL really wanted to save the planet they
would open up the road under the power line and cut a 200 yard cart
road from there through the scrub to the San Carlos Park shopping
center. It would not even have to be paved. I would just use my golf
cart for most of my local driving. About 1/4th of my neighbors have
carts too.
The problem is, even a street legal cart (GEM or whatever) is not
allowed on US41.
If the cart path is not on the public road, they don't even have to be
street legal.


If it's not on a public road, it opens up some private individual or
corp to a lot of liability... and regulations too...

Yeah, the same as if you were walking.

On 5/23/2013 12:07 PM, Wayne B wrote:
On Thu, 23 May 2013 10:33:21 -0400, Hank©
wrote:

On 5/23/2013 10:01 AM, Wayne B wrote:
On Thu, 23 May 2013 07:17:45 -0400, BAR wrote:

If I only had one auto I would not have an all electric vehicle, it limits my ability to
travel freely.

===

I agree with that. With only one vehicle you either need rapid
recharge, battery pack swapping or much longer range than is available
now. However at some point it becomes cheaper to rent a car for
taking long trips if you don't do it that often. If you can get a
rental with unlimited mileage for around $200/week, it is cheaper than
driving your own on long trips.


Small electric vehicles would be perfect for you to carry on your boat.

===

Some people with slightly bigger boats than ours are already doing it
with golf cart type vehicles. We've also been seeing a lot of
electric bicycles recently. I'm tempted to get one myself. They
offer a typical range of 10 to 15 miles and sometimes have the option
of a spare battery pack.


Check out the Pedego Mariner S. I'm about to order my second one.

On Thu, 23 May 2013 12:58:08 -0400, iBoaterer
wrote:

I almost never listen to FOX. I do read the Wall Street Journal but
even though it is yet another Murdoch media outlet, the WSJ for the
most part still carries out their long tradition of fair and balanced
reporting.

Is that where you came up with the idea that everything liberal is just
awful, corrupt, and bad, and that everything conservative is good?

===

You must be thinking of someone else.

In article ,
says...

On Thu, 23 May 2013 12:58:08 -0400, iBoaterer
wrote:

I almost never listen to FOX. I do read the Wall Street Journal but
even though it is yet another Murdoch media outlet, the WSJ for the
most part still carries out their long tradition of fair and balanced
reporting.

Is that where you came up with the idea that everything liberal is just
awful, corrupt, and bad, and that everything conservative is good?

===

You must be thinking of someone else.

Yes, sorry, it was in response to a statement of insane Scotty, my
apologies, I know you aren't like that.