On Wed, 08 May 2013 14:06:39 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 5/8/13 1:25 PM, Wayne B wrote:
On Wed, 8 May 2013 10:10:49 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Tue, 7 May 2013 14:50:04 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

Was it profiling or common sense that drew Zimms attention to the young
fella peering into car windows.

Common bigotry. It's the right wing way!

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I disagree with that. I have called the cops on white kids who were
acting in exactly the same way. Suspicious behavior is what it is
and totally color blind.

Yeah, you did the right thing, you called the cops, you didn't kill the
kids.

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Yes, but it's easy to envision a scenario where things could have gone
down quite differently. Suppose one of the kids had started to
physically break into a car and the police had not yet arrived. Would
you stand by passively or would you attempt to intervene? If you
intervene in any way you run the risk of attack. If attacked, would
you defend yourself?


In the civilized world, you're not supposed to use deadly force to stop
property damage or theft. The best thing to do when someone is stealing
a car and you are observing the theft is to get a terrific description
of the perpetrator so you can give it to the police.


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That's not the scenario I raised. If you observed someone breaking
into your house or vehicle, would you confront them? If you do
confront them, you run the risk of attack. If attacked, would you
defend yourself?

On 5/8/13 2:23 PM, Wayne B wrote:
On Wed, 08 May 2013 14:06:39 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 5/8/13 1:25 PM, Wayne B wrote:
On Wed, 8 May 2013 10:10:49 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Tue, 7 May 2013 14:50:04 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

Was it profiling or common sense that drew Zimms attention to the young
fella peering into car windows.

Common bigotry. It's the right wing way!

====

I disagree with that. I have called the cops on white kids who were
acting in exactly the same way. Suspicious behavior is what it is
and totally color blind.

Yeah, you did the right thing, you called the cops, you didn't kill the
kids.

===

Yes, but it's easy to envision a scenario where things could have gone
down quite differently. Suppose one of the kids had started to
physically break into a car and the police had not yet arrived. Would
you stand by passively or would you attempt to intervene? If you
intervene in any way you run the risk of attack. If attacked, would
you defend yourself?


In the civilized world, you're not supposed to use deadly force to stop
property damage or theft. The best thing to do when someone is stealing
a car and you are observing the theft is to get a terrific description
of the perpetrator so you can give it to the police.


====

That's not the scenario I raised. If you observed someone breaking
into your house or vehicle, would you confront them? If you do
confront them, you run the risk of attack. If attacked, would you
defend yourself?



If my car was in the driveway, I'd call the police and spent my time
getting a good description of the perp. If someone was breaking into the
house and we were home, I'd consider the perp a home invader and act
accordingly.

On Wed, 08 May 2013 14:31:58 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

If my car was in the driveway, I'd call the police and spent my time
getting a good description of the perp.

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There are other options of course. In my opinion a car thief is no
better than a horse thief, and we all know what happens to them.

On 5/8/13 7:21 PM, Wayne B wrote:
On Wed, 08 May 2013 14:31:58 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

If my car was in the driveway, I'd call the police and spent my time
getting a good description of the perp.

===

There are other options of course. In my opinion a car thief is no
better than a horse thief, and we all know what happens to them.



It's telling that you are describing yourself as no better than a 19th
Century vigilante. In the more civilized areas of the country, you
aren't supposed to take the law into your own hands and hang some
someone you caught stealing your car or lawn mower or whatever in your
driveway. You're supposed to call the police and let them handle it.

"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
m...

On 5/8/13 7:21 PM, Wayne B wrote:
On Wed, 08 May 2013 14:31:58 -0400, "F.O.A.D."
wrote:

If my car was in the driveway, I'd call the police and spent my
time
getting a good description of the perp.

===

There are other options of course. In my opinion a car thief is no
better than a horse thief, and we all know what happens to them.



It's telling that you are describing yourself as no better than a 19th
Century vigilante. In the more civilized areas of the country, you
aren't supposed to take the law into your own hands and hang some
someone you caught stealing your car or lawn mower or whatever in your
driveway. You're supposed to call the police and let them handle it.

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Someone comes up your driveway, proceeds to attempt to steal your car
..... you are there witnessing this .... and all you would do is
memorize what he looks like and call the police?

Imagine if everyone shared your view of a "civilized" action?
Hoo-boy .... a field day for the thieves of the world. The limited
resources of the police couldn't keep up with the calls and lookout
duties for stolen vehicles or other personal possessions.

A vigilante typically plans, stalks and attempts to do the work of the
police *after* the crime has been committed. Or, they assume a role
of law enforcement in general without the proper authority.
Challenging someone in the process of stealing your car or other
personal possession isn't being a vigilante. It's a responsible
action to protect your property and it doesn't mean using deadly
force. That's reserved for last resort situations when your life is
in immediate danger.

On 5/8/13 9:14 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
m...

On 5/8/13 7:21 PM, Wayne B wrote:
On Wed, 08 May 2013 14:31:58 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

If my car was in the driveway, I'd call the police and spent my time
getting a good description of the perp.

===

There are other options of course. In my opinion a car thief is no
better than a horse thief, and we all know what happens to them.



It's telling that you are describing yourself as no better than a 19th
Century vigilante. In the more civilized areas of the country, you
aren't supposed to take the law into your own hands and hang some
someone you caught stealing your car or lawn mower or whatever in your
driveway. You're supposed to call the police and let them handle it.

----------------------------------------------

Someone comes up your driveway, proceeds to attempt to steal your car
.... you are there witnessing this .... and all you would do is
memorize what he looks like and call the police?


That's right, and as soon as the cops arrive and take their report, I
call my insurance agent. I'm not taking a chance the car thief will get
violent. It's not a person, it's a car, an inanimate object that is easy
to replace.

On 5/8/2013 9:21 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 5/8/13 9:14 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
m...

On 5/8/13 7:21 PM, Wayne B wrote:
On Wed, 08 May 2013 14:31:58 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

If my car was in the driveway, I'd call the police and spent my time
getting a good description of the perp.

===

There are other options of course. In my opinion a car thief is no
better than a horse thief, and we all know what happens to them.



It's telling that you are describing yourself as no better than a 19th
Century vigilante. In the more civilized areas of the country, you
aren't supposed to take the law into your own hands and hang some
someone you caught stealing your car or lawn mower or whatever in your
driveway. You're supposed to call the police and let them handle it.

----------------------------------------------

Someone comes up your driveway, proceeds to attempt to steal your car
.... you are there witnessing this .... and all you would do is
memorize what he looks like and call the police?


That's right, and as soon as the cops arrive and take their report, I
call my insurance agent. I'm not taking a chance the car thief will get
violent. It's not a person, it's a car, an inanimate object that is easy
to replace.


Man you've changed, since the days when you pinned burglars against your
garages with your pickup trucks, crushing their legs.

"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
m...

On 5/8/13 9:14 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
m...

On 5/8/13 7:21 PM, Wayne B wrote:
On Wed, 08 May 2013 14:31:58 -0400, "F.O.A.D."
wrote:

If my car was in the driveway, I'd call the police and spent my
time
getting a good description of the perp.

===

There are other options of course. In my opinion a car thief is
no
better than a horse thief, and we all know what happens to them.



It's telling that you are describing yourself as no better than a
19th
Century vigilante. In the more civilized areas of the country, you
aren't supposed to take the law into your own hands and hang some
someone you caught stealing your car or lawn mower or whatever in
your
driveway. You're supposed to call the police and let them handle it.

----------------------------------------------

Someone comes up your driveway, proceeds to attempt to steal your
car
.... you are there witnessing this .... and all you would do is
memorize what he looks like and call the police?


That's right, and as soon as the cops arrive and take their report, I
call my insurance agent. I'm not taking a chance the car thief will
get
violent. It's not a person, it's a car, an inanimate object that is
easy
to replace.

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I just can't see myself watching this taking place without challenging
the person. My reaction to the challenge depends on his. I might
run or I might stand my ground. Sorta depends on how big he is.
But I don't think I'd stand there calling 911 while I watched him in
the process of stealing it and driving away. A challenge might be
just enough to cause him to abort and screw.

Ever been robbed? Had your house broken into and items taken?
****es you off. It's not the value of the items taken. Like you
said, they can be replaced. It's the thought that some people think
they can just help themselves to things that don't belong to them.
Sometimes the items are not replaceable and unfortunately most of the
time they are never recovered.