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Why we can't have good things
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Why we can't have good things
On 4/5/2013 11:15 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 4/5/13 11:08 AM, J Herring wrote: On Fri, 05 Apr 2013 10:55:37 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 4/5/13 10:50 AM, J Herring wrote: On Fri, 05 Apr 2013 10:21:09 -0400, Hank© wrote: On 4/5/2013 7:57 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 4/5/13 7:36 AM, Tim wrote: On Apr 5, 1:29 am, Urin Asshole wrote: And, **** Jesus while I'm at it. Or, rather **** what all the ****ing churches suppose Jesus was all about and DON'T promote. I have no use for dead people that other people fantasize about. It's really quite sick in the head. If anyone actually believes in a fantasy god and/or fantasy hell and thinks that "worship" or "faith" is going to fix them or anything, they are way more ****ed up and frankly more stupid that the lowliest creature. LOL! Somebody stick a crucifix in your face... The "religious right" probably is the single greatest cause of agnosticism. You said that without thinking, didn't you? And I doubt if Jeremiah and his crowd are 'religious right'! Salmonbait -- 'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand. Two followup comments that make no sense...from two rightwing posters who make no sense. Figures. Your 'special circumstances' make sense? Do you believe Jeremiah was 'religious right'. Only with his last name. Salmonbait -- 'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand. My posit: "The "religious right" probably is the single greatest cause of agnosticism." Whatever you and manure-breath from Florida are raving about has nothing to do with my posit. How can anyone with a brain take your stupid "posit" seriously? |
Why we can't have good things
On Fri, 5 Apr 2013 04:36:53 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote: On Apr 5, 1:29*am, Urin Asshole wrote: And, **** Jesus while I'm at it. Or, rather **** what all the ****ing churches suppose Jesus was all about and DON'T promote. I have no use for dead people that other people fantasize about. It's really quite sick in the head. If anyone actually believes in a fantasy god and/or fantasy hell and thinks that "worship" or "faith" is going to fix them or anything, they are way more ****ed up and frankly more stupid that the lowliest creature. LOL! Somebody stick a crucifix in your face... I'm glad that's all it was! |
Why we can't have good things
On Fri, 05 Apr 2013 08:02:44 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute
wrote: On 4/5/2013 7:36 AM, Tim wrote: On Apr 5, 1:29 am, Urin Asshole wrote: And, **** Jesus while I'm at it. Or, rather **** what all the ****ing churches suppose Jesus was all about and DON'T promote. I have no use for dead people that other people fantasize about. It's really quite sick in the head. If anyone actually believes in a fantasy god and/or fantasy hell and thinks that "worship" or "faith" is going to fix them or anything, they are way more ****ed up and frankly more stupid that the lowliest creature. LOL! Somebody stick a crucifix in your face... Well, they are just doing it because you came back for a few hours:) LOL! While you were gone they were on to whatever troll was relevant at the time. It's clear they are democrats and have no tolerance for anybody different. Why do you think the party in general works so hard to keep the poor down? Maybe somebody should have shoved the crucifix up your ass further and said cough. |
Why we can't have good things
On Fri, 5 Apr 2013 09:21:59 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote in message om... On 4/5/13 8:02 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 4/5/2013 7:36 AM, Tim wrote: On Apr 5, 1:29 am, Urin Asshole wrote: And, **** Jesus while I'm at it. Or, rather **** what all the ****ing churches suppose Jesus was all about and DON'T promote. I have no use for dead people that other people fantasize about. It's really quite sick in the head. If anyone actually believes in a fantasy god and/or fantasy hell and thinks that "worship" or "faith" is going to fix them or anything, they are way more ****ed up and frankly more stupid that the lowliest creature. LOL! Somebody stick a crucifix in your face... Well, they are just doing it because you came back for a few hours:) LOL! While you were gone they were on to whatever troll was relevant at the time. It's clear they are democrats and have no tolerance for anybody different. Why do you think the party in general works so hard to keep the poor down? Most of us lefties who are not "religious" have absolutely no objections to those who are religious and are courteous enough to not try to shove their religious beliefs in our faces. Certainly Tim is religious and certainly it is fine with me if he wants to discuss his beliefs here. It is only offensive when the religious try to directly or indirectly force those beliefs on those who believe differently or not at all. Here's an example. Several times a year, members of the community of the religious ring our doorbell. Most of the time, the callers simply ask if we'd like to come to their church services or events. Sometimes they will leave behind a flyer or brochure. We have no objection to that. But once or twice a year, we're called upon by proselytizers, pushy representatives of the religious who apparently are looking for converts. "Have you found Jesus?" "Don't you want to?" "We have a minister who is very good at speaking to non-believers." And much ore and far worse. The anti-abortionists are particularly disgusting. The latter are also the same people who try to use the legislative processes to force their beliefs onto the general public. Screw that and them. --------------------------------------------------- I guess we must have led a very sheltered life despite having lived in many different states and countries, including two years in your general area (Annapolis, MD). In nearly 45 years we were only approached once by pushy, religious representatives trying to recruit or convert and that was in Zion, IL, back in 1972. The "conversation" lasted about 10 seconds and has never happened since. I guess you have. We get the ****ing jesus freaks all the time. I finally put a sign on the door that says no soliciting, including for religion, and that helped, but some of those morons can't read I guess. Oh, we did have some neighbors in Florida who tried to encourage us to attend their church but after a polite but firm refusal of interest by us, it never happened again. During the guitar shop adventure I've met many people who perform at their church services. Some are "worship leaders". In fact my buddy who took over the shop is very religious and often plays at his church. Not once in the almost 5 years that I've known him has he ever tried to influence me with any of his beliefs and we've had many discussions about religion and faith in general. I have visited his church from time to time however, mainly because they have a killer 10,000 watt sound system that was installed by one of the church members who is also an acoustic engineer. The music played through the system sounds incredibly good and the engineer has helped me with some of the acoustic treatments for the new performance venue I am involved with. For the record, I don't give a **** what someone believes inside their head. I do give a **** when they open their mouth and I have to listen to it. |
Why we can't have good things
On Fri, 5 Apr 2013 09:50:16 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote in message om... On 4/5/13 9:21 AM, Eisboch wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... On 4/5/13 8:02 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 4/5/2013 7:36 AM, Tim wrote: On Apr 5, 1:29 am, Urin Asshole wrote: And, **** Jesus while I'm at it. Or, rather **** what all the ****ing churches suppose Jesus was all about and DON'T promote. I have no use for dead people that other people fantasize about. It's really quite sick in the head. If anyone actually believes in a fantasy god and/or fantasy hell and thinks that "worship" or "faith" is going to fix them or anything, they are way more ****ed up and frankly more stupid that the lowliest creature. LOL! Somebody stick a crucifix in your face... Well, they are just doing it because you came back for a few hours:) LOL! While you were gone they were on to whatever troll was relevant at the time. It's clear they are democrats and have no tolerance for anybody different. Why do you think the party in general works so hard to keep the poor down? Most of us lefties who are not "religious" have absolutely no objections to those who are religious and are courteous enough to not try to shove their religious beliefs in our faces. Certainly Tim is religious and certainly it is fine with me if he wants to discuss his beliefs here. It is only offensive when the religious try to directly or indirectly force those beliefs on those who believe differently or not at all. Here's an example. Several times a year, members of the community of the religious ring our doorbell. Most of the time, the callers simply ask if we'd like to come to their church services or events. Sometimes they will leave behind a flyer or brochure. We have no objection to that. But once or twice a year, we're called upon by proselytizers, pushy representatives of the religious who apparently are looking for converts. "Have you found Jesus?" "Don't you want to?" "We have a minister who is very good at speaking to non-believers." And much ore and far worse. The anti-abortionists are particularly disgusting. The latter are also the same people who try to use the legislative processes to force their beliefs onto the general public. Screw that and them. --------------------------------------------------- I guess we must have led a very sheltered life despite having lived in many different states and countries, including two years in your general area (Annapolis, MD). In nearly 45 years we were only approached once by pushy, religious representatives trying to recruit or convert and that was in Zion, IL, back in 1972. The "conversation" lasted about 10 seconds and has never happened since. Oh, we did have some neighbors in Florida who tried to encourage us to attend their church but after a polite but firm refusal of interest by us, it never happened again. During the guitar shop adventure I've met many people who perform at their church services. Some are "worship leaders". In fact my buddy who took over the shop is very religious and often plays at his church. Not once in the almost 5 years that I've known him has he ever tried to influence me with any of his beliefs and we've had many discussions about religion and faith in general. I have visited his church from time to time however, mainly because they have a killer 10,000 watt sound system that was installed by one of the church members who is also an acoustic engineer. The music played through the system sounds incredibly good and the engineer has helped me with some of the acoustic treatments for the new performance venue I am involved with. We live in an area that is far more "rural" than "cosmopolitan" Annapolis, even though the latter is only about 25 miles away. There are lots of churches down here. We probably get between six and nine home visits a year by "the church ladies," and, as I said, most of them are not offensive in any way. It's funny, but when I was growing up in New Haven and attending Sheridan Junior High, we'd end up playing basketball or kickball afterschool many afternoons in the recreation yard of the catholic church in the parish. It was pretty safe: the nuns kept an eye on everything and every so often several of the priests would come out to shoot some hoops. There never were any "religious" discussions initiated by the clergy there. I am sure, though, that if one of the kids wanted to discuss "faith issues," a nun or priest would have been glad to accommodate. Nowadays, too much of religion is "in your face." --------------------------------------------------- I guess it depends on how sensitive you are to it. I never feel any direct "in my face" religious influence by others. Our next door neighbors of 13 years are Baptists and she is an ordained minister at their church. He is an engineer at the Pilgram nuclear power plant. We see them often and there has never been an attempt by either of them to try to influence us with their beliefs nor by us in ours. I have a preacher down the street. Nice guy. He probably got the message when he came over to ask us about garbage pickup. Never said a word about religion. Also, he drinks wine. |
Why we can't have good things
On Fri, 05 Apr 2013 10:18:19 -0400, Hank©
wrote: On 4/5/2013 9:50 AM, Eisboch wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... On 4/5/13 9:21 AM, Eisboch wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... On 4/5/13 8:02 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 4/5/2013 7:36 AM, Tim wrote: On Apr 5, 1:29 am, Urin Asshole wrote: And, **** Jesus while I'm at it. Or, rather **** what all the ****ing churches suppose Jesus was all about and DON'T promote. I have no use for dead people that other people fantasize about. It's really quite sick in the head. If anyone actually believes in a fantasy god and/or fantasy hell and thinks that "worship" or "faith" is going to fix them or anything, they are way more ****ed up and frankly more stupid that the lowliest creature. LOL! Somebody stick a crucifix in your face... Well, they are just doing it because you came back for a few hours:) LOL! While you were gone they were on to whatever troll was relevant at the time. It's clear they are democrats and have no tolerance for anybody different. Why do you think the party in general works so hard to keep the poor down? Most of us lefties who are not "religious" have absolutely no objections to those who are religious and are courteous enough to not try to shove their religious beliefs in our faces. Certainly Tim is religious and certainly it is fine with me if he wants to discuss his beliefs here. It is only offensive when the religious try to directly or indirectly force those beliefs on those who believe differently or not at all. Here's an example. Several times a year, members of the community of the religious ring our doorbell. Most of the time, the callers simply ask if we'd like to come to their church services or events. Sometimes they will leave behind a flyer or brochure. We have no objection to that. But once or twice a year, we're called upon by proselytizers, pushy representatives of the religious who apparently are looking for converts. "Have you found Jesus?" "Don't you want to?" "We have a minister who is very good at speaking to non-believers." And much ore and far worse. The anti-abortionists are particularly disgusting. The latter are also the same people who try to use the legislative processes to force their beliefs onto the general public. Screw that and them. --------------------------------------------------- I guess we must have led a very sheltered life despite having lived in many different states and countries, including two years in your general area (Annapolis, MD). In nearly 45 years we were only approached once by pushy, religious representatives trying to recruit or convert and that was in Zion, IL, back in 1972. The "conversation" lasted about 10 seconds and has never happened since. Oh, we did have some neighbors in Florida who tried to encourage us to attend their church but after a polite but firm refusal of interest by us, it never happened again. During the guitar shop adventure I've met many people who perform at their church services. Some are "worship leaders". In fact my buddy who took over the shop is very religious and often plays at his church. Not once in the almost 5 years that I've known him has he ever tried to influence me with any of his beliefs and we've had many discussions about religion and faith in general. I have visited his church from time to time however, mainly because they have a killer 10,000 watt sound system that was installed by one of the church members who is also an acoustic engineer. The music played through the system sounds incredibly good and the engineer has helped me with some of the acoustic treatments for the new performance venue I am involved with. We live in an area that is far more "rural" than "cosmopolitan" Annapolis, even though the latter is only about 25 miles away. There are lots of churches down here. We probably get between six and nine home visits a year by "the church ladies," and, as I said, most of them are not offensive in any way. It's funny, but when I was growing up in New Haven and attending Sheridan Junior High, we'd end up playing basketball or kickball afterschool many afternoons in the recreation yard of the catholic church in the parish. It was pretty safe: the nuns kept an eye on everything and every so often several of the priests would come out to shoot some hoops. There never were any "religious" discussions initiated by the clergy there. I am sure, though, that if one of the kids wanted to discuss "faith issues," a nun or priest would have been glad to accommodate. Nowadays, too much of religion is "in your face." --------------------------------------------------- I guess it depends on how sensitive you are to it. I never feel any direct "in my face" religious influence by others. Our next door neighbors of 13 years are Baptists and she is an ordained minister at their church. He is an engineer at the Pilgram nuclear power plant. We see them often and there has never been an attempt by either of them to try to influence us with their beliefs nor by us in ours. Mention religion and Harry goes off half cocked with the safety off. But you seem to like it when someone talks about cock. |
Why we can't have good things
On 4/5/13 1:42 PM, Urin Asshole wrote:
On Fri, 05 Apr 2013 10:18:19 -0400, Hank© wrote: On 4/5/2013 9:50 AM, Eisboch wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... On 4/5/13 9:21 AM, Eisboch wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... On 4/5/13 8:02 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 4/5/2013 7:36 AM, Tim wrote: On Apr 5, 1:29 am, Urin Asshole wrote: And, **** Jesus while I'm at it. Or, rather **** what all the ****ing churches suppose Jesus was all about and DON'T promote. I have no use for dead people that other people fantasize about. It's really quite sick in the head. If anyone actually believes in a fantasy god and/or fantasy hell and thinks that "worship" or "faith" is going to fix them or anything, they are way more ****ed up and frankly more stupid that the lowliest creature. LOL! Somebody stick a crucifix in your face... Well, they are just doing it because you came back for a few hours:) LOL! While you were gone they were on to whatever troll was relevant at the time. It's clear they are democrats and have no tolerance for anybody different. Why do you think the party in general works so hard to keep the poor down? Most of us lefties who are not "religious" have absolutely no objections to those who are religious and are courteous enough to not try to shove their religious beliefs in our faces. Certainly Tim is religious and certainly it is fine with me if he wants to discuss his beliefs here. It is only offensive when the religious try to directly or indirectly force those beliefs on those who believe differently or not at all. Here's an example. Several times a year, members of the community of the religious ring our doorbell. Most of the time, the callers simply ask if we'd like to come to their church services or events. Sometimes they will leave behind a flyer or brochure. We have no objection to that. But once or twice a year, we're called upon by proselytizers, pushy representatives of the religious who apparently are looking for converts. "Have you found Jesus?" "Don't you want to?" "We have a minister who is very good at speaking to non-believers." And much ore and far worse. The anti-abortionists are particularly disgusting. The latter are also the same people who try to use the legislative processes to force their beliefs onto the general public. Screw that and them. --------------------------------------------------- I guess we must have led a very sheltered life despite having lived in many different states and countries, including two years in your general area (Annapolis, MD). In nearly 45 years we were only approached once by pushy, religious representatives trying to recruit or convert and that was in Zion, IL, back in 1972. The "conversation" lasted about 10 seconds and has never happened since. Oh, we did have some neighbors in Florida who tried to encourage us to attend their church but after a polite but firm refusal of interest by us, it never happened again. During the guitar shop adventure I've met many people who perform at their church services. Some are "worship leaders". In fact my buddy who took over the shop is very religious and often plays at his church. Not once in the almost 5 years that I've known him has he ever tried to influence me with any of his beliefs and we've had many discussions about religion and faith in general. I have visited his church from time to time however, mainly because they have a killer 10,000 watt sound system that was installed by one of the church members who is also an acoustic engineer. The music played through the system sounds incredibly good and the engineer has helped me with some of the acoustic treatments for the new performance venue I am involved with. We live in an area that is far more "rural" than "cosmopolitan" Annapolis, even though the latter is only about 25 miles away. There are lots of churches down here. We probably get between six and nine home visits a year by "the church ladies," and, as I said, most of them are not offensive in any way. It's funny, but when I was growing up in New Haven and attending Sheridan Junior High, we'd end up playing basketball or kickball afterschool many afternoons in the recreation yard of the catholic church in the parish. It was pretty safe: the nuns kept an eye on everything and every so often several of the priests would come out to shoot some hoops. There never were any "religious" discussions initiated by the clergy there. I am sure, though, that if one of the kids wanted to discuss "faith issues," a nun or priest would have been glad to accommodate. Nowadays, too much of religion is "in your face." --------------------------------------------------- I guess it depends on how sensitive you are to it. I never feel any direct "in my face" religious influence by others. Our next door neighbors of 13 years are Baptists and she is an ordained minister at their church. He is an engineer at the Pilgram nuclear power plant. We see them often and there has never been an attempt by either of them to try to influence us with their beliefs nor by us in ours. Mention religion and Harry goes off half cocked with the safety off. But you seem to like it when someone talks about cock. Probably misses those gang showers when he was a deck paint chipper in the navy. |
Why we can't have good things
On Fri, 5 Apr 2013 08:38:15 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:
On Apr 5, 1:29 am, Urin Asshole wrote: And, **** Jesus while I'm at it. Or, rather **** what all the ****ing churches suppose Jesus was all about and DON'T promote. I have no use for dead people that other people fantasize about. It's really quite sick in the head. If anyone actually believes in a fantasy god and/or fantasy hell and thinks that "worship" or "faith" is going to fix them or anything, they are way more ****ed up and frankly more stupid that the lowliest creature. ----------------------------------------------------------------- You *do* realize (don't you?) that your attitude and feelings about what other people believe in represents a somewhat extreme "religion" unto itself. Yes I do. But you realize that Tim was the one who started the BS about how Jesus has my number, right? But, that's your right. I look at it this way: The norms, values and the laws that emerge in different societies really have their roots in religion. You are not born with a distinction of right or wrong. Those are values that you acquire from your parents. schools and those who directly influence you during your programming years. But where did they get the roadmap? From their parents, schools and quite often church organizations. If you could keep tracing it back, where did the basic values originate from? I disagree with the original premise. I believe that religion has it's root as genetics and evolution, even demonstrated back in the hunter/gatherer ear. Communities for mutual benefit formed way before religion, way before language. Even animals demostrate compassion and similar. Religion is an artifact of evolution. True, the Bible is often misconstrued by those who try to interpret it and made worse by some zealots who feel it's their duty to educate everyone else with their interpretation. But the fundamentals are there from which the norms and values of our society are based and they aren't particular to any one religion. Same for the Koran and other major religion based "roadmaps". It is mostly misconstrued. A while back I happened to be reading something written by a lifelong atheist. I became interested because his skepticism about many of our religion based beliefs mirrored mine. Like him, I tend to need "proof" of things that I don't understand before I can accept them. In his case though, it became an obsession and he studied the origins of religion in vain, including the Christian Bible, seeking the proof he needed. Never found it. However, what he found was that many of the popular beliefs and conceptions held by believers didn't exist in the Bible either. I don't remember all the specific details, but I recall this: Due to our limited ability to comprehend the concept of a "God", the unknown or even the origin of the universe, we tend to put human terms on things. "God" is perceived by many as some dude sitting up in a place called heaven .... up in the sky ..... looking down on us and watching everything we do. But nowhere in the Bible does it come close to describing such a thing. The Bible describes "God" as a spirit .... not a super human. It's a feeling, not an entity and is expressed by faith. Well, ya see, that's the problem with trying to "prove" something. Science isn't like that. It's about producing verifiable evidence that always has an element of revision. Science says that while it's possible that god exists, the chances are very, very small. Your mileage may vary. Not if you're a good driver. |
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