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Why we can't have good things
On 4/4/13 8:42 AM, J Herring wrote:
On Thu, 04 Apr 2013 08:15:38 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 4/4/13 8:12 AM, J Herring wrote: On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 18:19:15 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 4/3/13 6:06 PM, Eisboch wrote: "J Herring" wrote in message ... On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 16:31:58 -0400, Hank© wrote: I'd keep pressing him until he gives you a thoughtful answer, right or wrong. He backed himself into a corner. He'd have to admit that his thumb safety is unused, and therefore useless. ---------------------------------------- John, correct me if I am wrong but I am under the understanding that you do all your live round gun handling at a shooting range. You do not have a permit for concealed carry. Is that correct? The reason I ask is because I think it depends on what you are doing with regard to a safety. At the range a thumb safety isn't used much in the normal protocol of shooting but if you carry, it may be. Some people carry with the safety off. Some with it on. Some with a round in the chamber, some with the chamber empty. Me? The few times I carry, I have a full clip inserted, but the chamber is empty and the thumb safety is "on". People will disagree, but I feel it is safer that way, for me and for others. If I ever had to use it, the time it would take to snap the safety off and rack the slide would be a matter of a second or two. I've carried outside of the house with a round in the pipe and the safety on. I've only done that a few times under special circumstances. When I do carry, typically, I have a mag inserted but I haven't yet racked the slide, so there's no need to use the safety. I have a belt carry holster so when I do carry, I have to wear a jacket to keep the firearm covered. It's a custom molded holster, and while it holds the weapon snugly, the trigger guard is completely free of the holster. It's not an expensive holster. I think it was about $75. Ah, the story changes. Salmonbait -- 'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand. No, Herring, there was always more to it. Remember, I said I would give you "an" example. Perhaps your next hobby should be enrolling in a remedial reading course. Bull****. Go read your essay. Salmonbait -- 'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand. Hehehe. I've become Herring's obsession. What a giggle. |
Why we can't have good things
On 4/3/2013 10:28 PM, Wayne B wrote:
On Wed, 3 Apr 2013 18:06:38 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: The few times I carry, I have a full clip inserted, but the chamber is empty === Unless you are doing law enforcement work I think that's a good strategy. I'd argue that without a round in the chamber, you don't even need the safety. It's like having a pitbull with a muzzle. |
Why we can't have good things
On Thu, 04 Apr 2013 08:58:27 -0400, Hank© wrote:
On 4/3/2013 10:28 PM, Wayne B wrote: On Wed, 3 Apr 2013 18:06:38 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: The few times I carry, I have a full clip inserted, but the chamber is empty === Unless you are doing law enforcement work I think that's a good strategy. I'd argue that without a round in the chamber, you don't even need the safety. It's like having a pitbull with a muzzle. LOL! Salmonbait -- 'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand. |
Why we can't have good things
On Thu, 04 Apr 2013 08:51:45 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 4/4/13 8:42 AM, J Herring wrote: On Thu, 04 Apr 2013 08:15:38 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 4/4/13 8:12 AM, J Herring wrote: On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 18:19:15 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 4/3/13 6:06 PM, Eisboch wrote: "J Herring" wrote in message ... On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 16:31:58 -0400, Hank© wrote: I'd keep pressing him until he gives you a thoughtful answer, right or wrong. He backed himself into a corner. He'd have to admit that his thumb safety is unused, and therefore useless. ---------------------------------------- John, correct me if I am wrong but I am under the understanding that you do all your live round gun handling at a shooting range. You do not have a permit for concealed carry. Is that correct? The reason I ask is because I think it depends on what you are doing with regard to a safety. At the range a thumb safety isn't used much in the normal protocol of shooting but if you carry, it may be. Some people carry with the safety off. Some with it on. Some with a round in the chamber, some with the chamber empty. Me? The few times I carry, I have a full clip inserted, but the chamber is empty and the thumb safety is "on". People will disagree, but I feel it is safer that way, for me and for others. If I ever had to use it, the time it would take to snap the safety off and rack the slide would be a matter of a second or two. I've carried outside of the house with a round in the pipe and the safety on. I've only done that a few times under special circumstances. When I do carry, typically, I have a mag inserted but I haven't yet racked the slide, so there's no need to use the safety. I have a belt carry holster so when I do carry, I have to wear a jacket to keep the firearm covered. It's a custom molded holster, and while it holds the weapon snugly, the trigger guard is completely free of the holster. It's not an expensive holster. I think it was about $75. Ah, the story changes. Salmonbait -- 'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand. No, Herring, there was always more to it. Remember, I said I would give you "an" example. Perhaps your next hobby should be enrolling in a remedial reading course. Bull****. Go read your essay. Salmonbait -- 'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand. Hehehe. I've become Herring's obsession. What a giggle. Well, it's more like enthralled with your knowledge. You've got us all wondering...earlier you said you never carry with a round in the chamber, now you say you do so under 'special circumstances'. What would those be? Salmonbait -- 'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand. |
Why we can't have good things
On 4/4/2013 8:13 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 4/4/13 8:11 AM, J Herring wrote: On Wed, 3 Apr 2013 18:06:38 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: "J Herring" wrote in message ... On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 16:31:58 -0400, Hank© wrote: I'd keep pressing him until he gives you a thoughtful answer, right or wrong. He backed himself into a corner. He'd have to admit that his thumb safety is unused, and therefore useless. ---------------------------------------- John, correct me if I am wrong but I am under the understanding that you do all your live round gun handling at a shooting range. You do not have a permit for concealed carry. Is that correct? Not all my shooting is at a shooting range. I do have a permit for concealed carry. The reason I ask is because I think it depends on what you are doing with regard to a safety. At the range a thumb safety isn't used much in the normal protocol of shooting but if you carry, it may be. If I carried with a round in the chamber it would be because I was in a situation where I thought I needed to do so...say walking the streets of Chicago at 2 o'clock AM or strolling the back roads of Prince Georges County, MD, at the same time. If I had to draw the weapon, my finger would not be in the trigger guard until I was ready to pull the trigger. I would not use a holster with the flexibility to shoot the pistol, nor would I keep Sharpies, or other similar objects, in the holster. Some people carry with the safety off. Some with it on. Some with a round in the chamber, some with the chamber empty. Me? The few times I carry, I have a full clip inserted, but the chamber is empty and the thumb safety is "on". That's good. But, if there is no round in the chamber then there is really no need to have the safety on. A little extra precaution never hurt, however. People will disagree, but I feel it is safer that way, for me and for others. If I ever had to use it, the time it would take to snap the safety off and rack the slide would be a matter of a second or two. If I ever had to use the P250, it would, as you say, take only a second or two to rack the slide. My comments to Harry were based on his essay safeties and conditions. I won't regurgitate. Salmonbait -- 'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand. All you do here is throw up. You are displaying your immaturity. |
Why we can't have good things
On 4/4/2013 8:12 AM, J Herring wrote:
On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 18:19:15 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 4/3/13 6:06 PM, Eisboch wrote: "J Herring" wrote in message ... On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 16:31:58 -0400, Hank© wrote: I'd keep pressing him until he gives you a thoughtful answer, right or wrong. He backed himself into a corner. He'd have to admit that his thumb safety is unused, and therefore useless. ---------------------------------------- John, correct me if I am wrong but I am under the understanding that you do all your live round gun handling at a shooting range. You do not have a permit for concealed carry. Is that correct? The reason I ask is because I think it depends on what you are doing with regard to a safety. At the range a thumb safety isn't used much in the normal protocol of shooting but if you carry, it may be. Some people carry with the safety off. Some with it on. Some with a round in the chamber, some with the chamber empty. Me? The few times I carry, I have a full clip inserted, but the chamber is empty and the thumb safety is "on". People will disagree, but I feel it is safer that way, for me and for others. If I ever had to use it, the time it would take to snap the safety off and rack the slide would be a matter of a second or two. I've carried outside of the house with a round in the pipe and the safety on. I've only done that a few times under special circumstances. When I do carry, typically, I have a mag inserted but I haven't yet racked the slide, so there's no need to use the safety. I have a belt carry holster so when I do carry, I have to wear a jacket to keep the firearm covered. *It's a custom molded holster, and while it holds the weapon snugly, the trigger guard is completely free of the holster.* It's not an expensive holster. I think it was about $75. Ah, the story changes. Salmonbait -- 'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand. I'm surprised you didn't have more to say about Harriet's fairytale. |
Why we can't have good things
On 4/4/2013 9:08 AM, J Herring wrote:
On Thu, 04 Apr 2013 08:51:45 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 4/4/13 8:42 AM, J Herring wrote: On Thu, 04 Apr 2013 08:15:38 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 4/4/13 8:12 AM, J Herring wrote: On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 18:19:15 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 4/3/13 6:06 PM, Eisboch wrote: "J Herring" wrote in message ... On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 16:31:58 -0400, Hank© wrote: I'd keep pressing him until he gives you a thoughtful answer, right or wrong. He backed himself into a corner. He'd have to admit that his thumb safety is unused, and therefore useless. ---------------------------------------- John, correct me if I am wrong but I am under the understanding that you do all your live round gun handling at a shooting range. You do not have a permit for concealed carry. Is that correct? The reason I ask is because I think it depends on what you are doing with regard to a safety. At the range a thumb safety isn't used much in the normal protocol of shooting but if you carry, it may be. Some people carry with the safety off. Some with it on. Some with a round in the chamber, some with the chamber empty. Me? The few times I carry, I have a full clip inserted, but the chamber is empty and the thumb safety is "on". People will disagree, but I feel it is safer that way, for me and for others. If I ever had to use it, the time it would take to snap the safety off and rack the slide would be a matter of a second or two. I've carried outside of the house with a round in the pipe and the safety on. I've only done that a few times under special circumstances. When I do carry, typically, I have a mag inserted but I haven't yet racked the slide, so there's no need to use the safety. I have a belt carry holster so when I do carry, I have to wear a jacket to keep the firearm covered. It's a custom molded holster, and while it holds the weapon snugly, the trigger guard is completely free of the holster. It's not an expensive holster. I think it was about $75. Ah, the story changes. Salmonbait -- 'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand. No, Herring, there was always more to it. Remember, I said I would give you "an" example. Perhaps your next hobby should be enrolling in a remedial reading course. Bull****. Go read your essay. Salmonbait -- 'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand. Hehehe. I've become Herring's obsession. What a giggle. Well, it's more like enthralled with your knowledge. You've got us all wondering...earlier you said you never carry with a round in the chamber, now you say you do so under 'special circumstances'. What would those be? Salmonbait -- 'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand. The more you allow him to ramble the more lies you can catch him in. |
Why we can't have good things
On 4/4/2013 8:14 AM, J Herring wrote:
On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 19:25:55 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 4/3/13 7:13 PM, Eisboch wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote in message ... On 4/3/13 6:06 PM, Eisboch wrote: "J Herring" wrote in message ... On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 16:31:58 -0400, Hank© wrote: I'd keep pressing him until he gives you a thoughtful answer, right or wrong. He backed himself into a corner. He'd have to admit that his thumb safety is unused, and therefore useless. ---------------------------------------- John, correct me if I am wrong but I am under the understanding that you do all your live round gun handling at a shooting range. You do not have a permit for concealed carry. Is that correct? The reason I ask is because I think it depends on what you are doing with regard to a safety. At the range a thumb safety isn't used much in the normal protocol of shooting but if you carry, it may be. Some people carry with the safety off. Some with it on. Some with a round in the chamber, some with the chamber empty. Me? The few times I carry, I have a full clip inserted, but the chamber is empty and the thumb safety is "on". People will disagree, but I feel it is safer that way, for me and for others. If I ever had to use it, the time it would take to snap the safety off and rack the slide would be a matter of a second or two. I've carried outside of the house with a round in the pipe and the safety on. I've only done that a few times under special circumstances. When I do carry, typically, I have a mag inserted but I haven't yet racked the slide, so there's no need to use the safety. I have a belt carry holster so when I do carry, I have to wear a jacket to keep the firearm covered. It's a custom molded holster, and while it holds the weapon snugly, the trigger guard is completely free of the holster. It's not an expensive holster. I think it was about $75. ------------------------------------------ Yup, your method is a very common one. I elect to also use the thumb safety just for an extra measure. Makes me think about what I am doing. For example, the S&W BG 380 "Bodyguard" is made such that you cannot rack the slide with the thumb safety on. So, to use it you must flip the safety off, rack the slide and it's ready to fire. The Walther on the other hand *can* be racked with the safety (or decocker) "on", but you still have to flip the safety/decocker to "off" for the trigger to fire the gun. It's really what you get used to doing. I tried several belt holsters for both. I have a nice leather one for the Walther but since I got the Bodyguard, it feels like a lead weight. I have two for the Bodyguard. One is a belt type, but the one I like the best is a simple De Santis pocket holster. The Bodyguard is so small and light it can be comfortably carried in your pants pocket or an inside pocket of your jacket. I'm pretty sure I can't turn the thumb safety on on my CZ unless the hammer is in the firing position but on my Ruger Mark III, I can flip the safety on or off no matter what. I'll have to check that, though. You mean to say that after all your talk of safeties, you don't know how the safety on the CZ works? Salmonbait -- 'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand. I think I mentioned that he needs some one to sit him down and explain how different guns work. At the time I said that, I wasn't aware that he didn't know how *his own guns* work. |
Why we can't have good things
On 4/4/13 9:08 AM, J Herring wrote:
On Thu, 04 Apr 2013 08:51:45 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 4/4/13 8:42 AM, J Herring wrote: On Thu, 04 Apr 2013 08:15:38 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 4/4/13 8:12 AM, J Herring wrote: On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 18:19:15 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 4/3/13 6:06 PM, Eisboch wrote: "J Herring" wrote in message ... On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 16:31:58 -0400, Hank© wrote: I'd keep pressing him until he gives you a thoughtful answer, right or wrong. He backed himself into a corner. He'd have to admit that his thumb safety is unused, and therefore useless. ---------------------------------------- John, correct me if I am wrong but I am under the understanding that you do all your live round gun handling at a shooting range. You do not have a permit for concealed carry. Is that correct? The reason I ask is because I think it depends on what you are doing with regard to a safety. At the range a thumb safety isn't used much in the normal protocol of shooting but if you carry, it may be. Some people carry with the safety off. Some with it on. Some with a round in the chamber, some with the chamber empty. Me? The few times I carry, I have a full clip inserted, but the chamber is empty and the thumb safety is "on". People will disagree, but I feel it is safer that way, for me and for others. If I ever had to use it, the time it would take to snap the safety off and rack the slide would be a matter of a second or two. I've carried outside of the house with a round in the pipe and the safety on. I've only done that a few times under special circumstances. When I do carry, typically, I have a mag inserted but I haven't yet racked the slide, so there's no need to use the safety. I have a belt carry holster so when I do carry, I have to wear a jacket to keep the firearm covered. It's a custom molded holster, and while it holds the weapon snugly, the trigger guard is completely free of the holster. It's not an expensive holster. I think it was about $75. Ah, the story changes. Salmonbait -- 'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand. No, Herring, there was always more to it. Remember, I said I would give you "an" example. Perhaps your next hobby should be enrolling in a remedial reading course. Bull****. Go read your essay. Salmonbait -- 'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand. Hehehe. I've become Herring's obsession. What a giggle. Well, it's more like enthralled with your knowledge. You've got us all wondering...earlier you said you never carry with a round in the chamber, now you say you do so under 'special circumstances'. What would those be? Salmonbait -- 'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand. |
Why we can't have good things
On 4/4/13 9:08 AM, J Herring wrote:
On Thu, 04 Apr 2013 08:51:45 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 4/4/13 8:42 AM, J Herring wrote: On Thu, 04 Apr 2013 08:15:38 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 4/4/13 8:12 AM, J Herring wrote: On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 18:19:15 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 4/3/13 6:06 PM, Eisboch wrote: "J Herring" wrote in message ... On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 16:31:58 -0400, Hank© wrote: I'd keep pressing him until he gives you a thoughtful answer, right or wrong. He backed himself into a corner. He'd have to admit that his thumb safety is unused, and therefore useless. ---------------------------------------- John, correct me if I am wrong but I am under the understanding that you do all your live round gun handling at a shooting range. You do not have a permit for concealed carry. Is that correct? The reason I ask is because I think it depends on what you are doing with regard to a safety. At the range a thumb safety isn't used much in the normal protocol of shooting but if you carry, it may be. Some people carry with the safety off. Some with it on. Some with a round in the chamber, some with the chamber empty. Me? The few times I carry, I have a full clip inserted, but the chamber is empty and the thumb safety is "on". People will disagree, but I feel it is safer that way, for me and for others. If I ever had to use it, the time it would take to snap the safety off and rack the slide would be a matter of a second or two. I've carried outside of the house with a round in the pipe and the safety on. I've only done that a few times under special circumstances. When I do carry, typically, I have a mag inserted but I haven't yet racked the slide, so there's no need to use the safety. I have a belt carry holster so when I do carry, I have to wear a jacket to keep the firearm covered. It's a custom molded holster, and while it holds the weapon snugly, the trigger guard is completely free of the holster. It's not an expensive holster. I think it was about $75. Ah, the story changes. Salmonbait -- 'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand. No, Herring, there was always more to it. Remember, I said I would give you "an" example. Perhaps your next hobby should be enrolling in a remedial reading course. Bull****. Go read your essay. Salmonbait -- 'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand. Hehehe. I've become Herring's obsession. What a giggle. Well, it's more like enthralled with your knowledge. You've got us all wondering...earlier you said you never carry with a round in the chamber, now you say you do so under 'special circumstances'. What would those be? Salmonbait -- 'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand. A good place to do so, if you have the right permit, would be in the parking lot at that Springfield Mall down the road from you a short way, in order to avoid being carjacked by the friendly MS-13 gangsters who hang out there. If there were more posters here, we could start up a "guessing pool" as to your next obsessive hobby. Does crocheting interest you? Could it? |
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