Why we can't have good things
 

"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
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On 4/5/13 9:21 AM, Eisboch wrote:


"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
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On 4/5/13 8:02 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 4/5/2013 7:36 AM, Tim wrote:
On Apr 5, 1:29 am, Urin Asshole wrote:


And, **** Jesus while I'm at it. Or, rather **** what all the
****ing
churches suppose Jesus was all about and DON'T promote. I have no
use
for dead people that other people fantasize about. It's really
quite
sick in the head.

If anyone actually believes in a fantasy god and/or fantasy hell
and
thinks that "worship" or "faith" is going to fix them or
anything,
they are way more ****ed up and frankly more stupid that the
lowliest
creature.

LOL! Somebody stick a crucifix in your face...


Well, they are just doing it because you came back for a few
hours:)
LOL! While you were gone they were on to whatever troll was
relevant at
the time. It's clear they are democrats and have no tolerance for
anybody different. Why do you think the party in general works so
hard
to keep the poor down?


Most of us lefties who are not "religious" have absolutely no
objections
to those who are religious and are courteous enough to not try to
shove
their religious beliefs in our faces. Certainly Tim is religious and
certainly it is fine with me if he wants to discuss his beliefs
here. It
is only offensive when the religious try to directly or indirectly
force
those beliefs on those who believe differently or not at all.

Here's an example.

Several times a year, members of the community of the religious ring
our
doorbell. Most of the time, the callers simply ask if we'd like to
come
to their church services or events. Sometimes they will leave behind
a
flyer or brochure. We have no objection to that.

But once or twice a year, we're called upon by proselytizers, pushy
representatives of the religious who apparently are looking for
converts. "Have you found Jesus?" "Don't you want to?" "We have a
minister who is very good at speaking to non-believers." And much
ore
and far worse. The anti-abortionists are particularly disgusting.

The latter are also the same people who try to use the legislative
processes to force their beliefs onto the general public.

Screw that and them.

---------------------------------------------------

I guess we must have led a very sheltered life despite having lived
in
many different states and countries, including two years in your
general
area (Annapolis, MD). In nearly 45 years we were only approached
once
by pushy, religious representatives trying to recruit or convert and
that was in Zion, IL, back in 1972. The "conversation" lasted
about 10
seconds and has never happened since.

Oh, we did have some neighbors in Florida who tried to encourage us
to
attend their church but after a polite but firm refusal of interest
by
us, it never happened again.

During the guitar shop adventure I've met many people who perform at
their church services. Some are "worship leaders". In fact my
buddy
who took over the shop is very religious and often plays at his
church. Not once in the almost 5 years that I've known him has he
ever
tried to influence me with any of his beliefs and we've had many
discussions about religion and faith in general. I have visited
his
church from time to time however, mainly because they have a killer
10,000 watt sound system that was installed by one of the church
members
who is also an acoustic engineer. The music played through the
system
sounds incredibly good and the engineer has helped me with some of
the
acoustic treatments for the new performance venue I am involved
with.






We live in an area that is far more "rural" than "cosmopolitan"
Annapolis, even though the latter is only about 25 miles away. There
are
lots of churches down here. We probably get between six and nine home
visits a year by "the church ladies," and, as I said, most of them are
not offensive in any way.

It's funny, but when I was growing up in New Haven and attending
Sheridan Junior High, we'd end up playing basketball or kickball
afterschool many afternoons in the recreation yard of the catholic
church in the parish. It was pretty safe: the nuns kept an eye on
everything and every so often several of the priests would come out to
shoot some hoops. There never were any "religious" discussions
initiated
by the clergy there. I am sure, though, that if one of the kids wanted
to discuss "faith issues," a nun or priest would have been glad to
accommodate. Nowadays, too much of religion is "in your face."

---------------------------------------------------

I guess it depends on how sensitive you are to it. I never feel any
direct "in my face" religious influence by others.
Our next door neighbors of 13 years are Baptists and she is an
ordained minister at their church. He is an engineer at the Pilgram
nuclear power plant. We see them often and there has never been an
attempt by either of them to try to influence us with their beliefs
nor by us in ours.

Why we can't have good things
 

On Fri, 05 Apr 2013 08:27:02 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 4/5/13 8:02 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 4/5/2013 7:36 AM, Tim wrote:
On Apr 5, 1:29 am, Urin Asshole wrote:


And, **** Jesus while I'm at it. Or, rather **** what all the ****ing
churches suppose Jesus was all about and DON'T promote. I have no use
for dead people that other people fantasize about. It's really quite
sick in the head.

If anyone actually believes in a fantasy god and/or fantasy hell and
thinks that "worship" or "faith" is going to fix them or anything,
they are way more ****ed up and frankly more stupid that the lowliest
creature.

LOL! Somebody stick a crucifix in your face...


Well, they are just doing it because you came back for a few hours:)
LOL! While you were gone they were on to whatever troll was relevant at
the time. It's clear they are democrats and have no tolerance for
anybody different. Why do you think the party in general works so hard
to keep the poor down?


Most of us lefties who are not "religious" have absolutely no objections
to those who are religious and are courteous enough to not try to shove
their religious beliefs in our faces. Certainly Tim is religious and
certainly it is fine with me if he wants to discuss his beliefs here. It
is only offensive when the religious try to directly or indirectly force
those beliefs on those who believe differently or not at all.

Here's an example.

Several times a year, members of the community of the religious ring our
doorbell. Most of the time, the callers simply ask if we'd like to come
to their church services or events. Sometimes they will leave behind a
flyer or brochure. We have no objection to that.

But once or twice a year, we're called upon by proselytizers, pushy
representatives of the religious who apparently are looking for
converts. "Have you found Jesus?" "Don't you want to?" "We have a
minister who is very good at speaking to non-believers." And much ore
and far worse. The anti-abortionists are particularly disgusting.

The latter are also the same people who try to use the legislative
processes to force their beliefs onto the general public.

Screw that and them.

I assume that was one of the 'special circumstances' in which you had to chamber a round and use
your thumb safety?


Salmonbait

--
'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand.

Why we can't have good things
 

On 4/5/2013 9:50 AM, Eisboch wrote:


"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
m...

On 4/5/13 9:21 AM, Eisboch wrote:


"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
m...

On 4/5/13 8:02 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 4/5/2013 7:36 AM, Tim wrote:
On Apr 5, 1:29 am, Urin Asshole wrote:


And, **** Jesus while I'm at it. Or, rather **** what all the ****ing
churches suppose Jesus was all about and DON'T promote. I have no use
for dead people that other people fantasize about. It's really quite
sick in the head.

If anyone actually believes in a fantasy god and/or fantasy hell and
thinks that "worship" or "faith" is going to fix them or anything,
they are way more ****ed up and frankly more stupid that the lowliest
creature.

LOL! Somebody stick a crucifix in your face...


Well, they are just doing it because you came back for a few hours:)
LOL! While you were gone they were on to whatever troll was relevant at
the time. It's clear they are democrats and have no tolerance for
anybody different. Why do you think the party in general works so hard
to keep the poor down?


Most of us lefties who are not "religious" have absolutely no objections
to those who are religious and are courteous enough to not try to shove
their religious beliefs in our faces. Certainly Tim is religious and
certainly it is fine with me if he wants to discuss his beliefs here. It
is only offensive when the religious try to directly or indirectly force
those beliefs on those who believe differently or not at all.

Here's an example.

Several times a year, members of the community of the religious ring our
doorbell. Most of the time, the callers simply ask if we'd like to come
to their church services or events. Sometimes they will leave behind a
flyer or brochure. We have no objection to that.

But once or twice a year, we're called upon by proselytizers, pushy
representatives of the religious who apparently are looking for
converts. "Have you found Jesus?" "Don't you want to?" "We have a
minister who is very good at speaking to non-believers." And much ore
and far worse. The anti-abortionists are particularly disgusting.

The latter are also the same people who try to use the legislative
processes to force their beliefs onto the general public.

Screw that and them.

---------------------------------------------------

I guess we must have led a very sheltered life despite having lived in
many different states and countries, including two years in your general
area (Annapolis, MD). In nearly 45 years we were only approached once
by pushy, religious representatives trying to recruit or convert and
that was in Zion, IL, back in 1972. The "conversation" lasted about 10
seconds and has never happened since.

Oh, we did have some neighbors in Florida who tried to encourage us to
attend their church but after a polite but firm refusal of interest by
us, it never happened again.

During the guitar shop adventure I've met many people who perform at
their church services. Some are "worship leaders". In fact my buddy
who took over the shop is very religious and often plays at his
church. Not once in the almost 5 years that I've known him has he ever
tried to influence me with any of his beliefs and we've had many
discussions about religion and faith in general. I have visited his
church from time to time however, mainly because they have a killer
10,000 watt sound system that was installed by one of the church members
who is also an acoustic engineer. The music played through the system
sounds incredibly good and the engineer has helped me with some of the
acoustic treatments for the new performance venue I am involved with.






We live in an area that is far more "rural" than "cosmopolitan"
Annapolis, even though the latter is only about 25 miles away. There are
lots of churches down here. We probably get between six and nine home
visits a year by "the church ladies," and, as I said, most of them are
not offensive in any way.

It's funny, but when I was growing up in New Haven and attending
Sheridan Junior High, we'd end up playing basketball or kickball
afterschool many afternoons in the recreation yard of the catholic
church in the parish. It was pretty safe: the nuns kept an eye on
everything and every so often several of the priests would come out to
shoot some hoops. There never were any "religious" discussions initiated
by the clergy there. I am sure, though, that if one of the kids wanted
to discuss "faith issues," a nun or priest would have been glad to
accommodate. Nowadays, too much of religion is "in your face."

---------------------------------------------------

I guess it depends on how sensitive you are to it. I never feel any
direct "in my face" religious influence by others.
Our next door neighbors of 13 years are Baptists and she is an ordained
minister at their church. He is an engineer at the Pilgram nuclear
power plant. We see them often and there has never been an attempt by
either of them to try to influence us with their beliefs nor by us in ours.



Mention religion and Harry goes off half cocked with the safety off.

Why we can't have good things
 

On 4/5/2013 7:57 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 4/5/13 7:36 AM, Tim wrote:
On Apr 5, 1:29 am, Urin Asshole wrote:


And, **** Jesus while I'm at it. Or, rather **** what all the ****ing
churches suppose Jesus was all about and DON'T promote. I have no use
for dead people that other people fantasize about. It's really quite
sick in the head.

If anyone actually believes in a fantasy god and/or fantasy hell and
thinks that "worship" or "faith" is going to fix them or anything,
they are way more ****ed up and frankly more stupid that the lowliest
creature.

LOL! Somebody stick a crucifix in your face...


The "religious right" probably is the single greatest cause of agnosticism.

You said that without thinking, didn't you?

Why we can't have good things
 

On Fri, 05 Apr 2013 10:21:09 -0400, Hank© wrote:

On 4/5/2013 7:57 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 4/5/13 7:36 AM, Tim wrote:
On Apr 5, 1:29 am, Urin Asshole wrote:


And, **** Jesus while I'm at it. Or, rather **** what all the ****ing
churches suppose Jesus was all about and DON'T promote. I have no use
for dead people that other people fantasize about. It's really quite
sick in the head.

If anyone actually believes in a fantasy god and/or fantasy hell and
thinks that "worship" or "faith" is going to fix them or anything,
they are way more ****ed up and frankly more stupid that the lowliest
creature.

LOL! Somebody stick a crucifix in your face...


The "religious right" probably is the single greatest cause of agnosticism.

You said that without thinking, didn't you?

And I doubt if Jeremiah and his crowd are 'religious right'!


Salmonbait

--
'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand.

Why we can't have good things
 

On 4/5/13 10:50 AM, J Herring wrote:
On Fri, 05 Apr 2013 10:21:09 -0400, Hank© wrote:

On 4/5/2013 7:57 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 4/5/13 7:36 AM, Tim wrote:
On Apr 5, 1:29 am, Urin Asshole wrote:


And, **** Jesus while I'm at it. Or, rather **** what all the ****ing
churches suppose Jesus was all about and DON'T promote. I have no use
for dead people that other people fantasize about. It's really quite
sick in the head.

If anyone actually believes in a fantasy god and/or fantasy hell and
thinks that "worship" or "faith" is going to fix them or anything,
they are way more ****ed up and frankly more stupid that the lowliest
creature.

LOL! Somebody stick a crucifix in your face...


The "religious right" probably is the single greatest cause of agnosticism.

You said that without thinking, didn't you?

And I doubt if Jeremiah and his crowd are 'religious right'!


Salmonbait

--
'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand.


Two followup comments that make no sense...from two rightwing posters
who make no sense. Figures.

Why we can't have good things
 

On Fri, 05 Apr 2013 10:55:37 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 4/5/13 10:50 AM, J Herring wrote:
On Fri, 05 Apr 2013 10:21:09 -0400, Hank© wrote:

On 4/5/2013 7:57 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 4/5/13 7:36 AM, Tim wrote:
On Apr 5, 1:29 am, Urin Asshole wrote:


And, **** Jesus while I'm at it. Or, rather **** what all the ****ing
churches suppose Jesus was all about and DON'T promote. I have no use
for dead people that other people fantasize about. It's really quite
sick in the head.

If anyone actually believes in a fantasy god and/or fantasy hell and
thinks that "worship" or "faith" is going to fix them or anything,
they are way more ****ed up and frankly more stupid that the lowliest
creature.

LOL! Somebody stick a crucifix in your face...


The "religious right" probably is the single greatest cause of agnosticism.

You said that without thinking, didn't you?

And I doubt if Jeremiah and his crowd are 'religious right'!


Salmonbait

--
'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand.


Two followup comments that make no sense...from two rightwing posters
who make no sense. Figures.

Your 'special circumstances' make sense?

Do you believe Jeremiah was 'religious right'. Only with his last name.


Salmonbait

--
'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand.

Why we can't have good things
 

On 4/5/13 11:08 AM, J Herring wrote:
On Fri, 05 Apr 2013 10:55:37 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 4/5/13 10:50 AM, J Herring wrote:
On Fri, 05 Apr 2013 10:21:09 -0400, Hank© wrote:

On 4/5/2013 7:57 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 4/5/13 7:36 AM, Tim wrote:
On Apr 5, 1:29 am, Urin Asshole wrote:


And, **** Jesus while I'm at it. Or, rather **** what all the ****ing
churches suppose Jesus was all about and DON'T promote. I have no use
for dead people that other people fantasize about. It's really quite
sick in the head.

If anyone actually believes in a fantasy god and/or fantasy hell and
thinks that "worship" or "faith" is going to fix them or anything,
they are way more ****ed up and frankly more stupid that the lowliest
creature.

LOL! Somebody stick a crucifix in your face...


The "religious right" probably is the single greatest cause of agnosticism.

You said that without thinking, didn't you?

And I doubt if Jeremiah and his crowd are 'religious right'!


Salmonbait

--
'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand.


Two followup comments that make no sense...from two rightwing posters
who make no sense. Figures.

Your 'special circumstances' make sense?

Do you believe Jeremiah was 'religious right'. Only with his last name.


Salmonbait

--
'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand.



My posit:

"The "religious right" probably is the single greatest cause of
agnosticism."

Whatever you and manure-breath from Florida are raving about has nothing
to do with my posit.

Why we can't have good things
 

In article ,
says...

On Apr 5, 1:29 am, Urin Asshole wrote:


And, **** Jesus while I'm at it. Or, rather **** what all the
****ing
churches suppose Jesus was all about and DON'T promote. I have no
use
for dead people that other people fantasize about. It's really quite
sick in the head.

If anyone actually believes in a fantasy god and/or fantasy hell and
thinks that "worship" or "faith" is going to fix them or anything,
they are way more ****ed up and frankly more stupid that the
lowliest
creature.

-----------------------------------------------------------------

You *do* realize (don't you?) that your attitude and feelings about
what other people believe in represents a somewhat extreme "religion"
unto itself.

But, that's your right.

I look at it this way:

The norms, values and the laws that emerge in different societies
really have their roots in religion. You are not born with a
distinction of right or wrong. Those are values that you acquire from
your parents. schools and those who directly influence you during your
programming years. But where did they get the roadmap? From their
parents, schools and quite often church organizations. If you could
keep tracing it back, where did the basic values originate from?

True, the Bible is often misconstrued by those who try to interpret it
and made worse by some zealots who feel it's their duty to educate
everyone else with their interpretation. But the fundamentals are
there from which the norms and values of our society are based and
they aren't particular to any one religion. Same for the Koran and
other major religion based "roadmaps".

A while back I happened to be reading something written by a lifelong
atheist. I became interested because his skepticism about many of
our religion based beliefs mirrored mine. Like him, I tend to need
"proof" of things that I don't understand before I can accept them.
In his case though, it became an obsession and he studied the origins
of religion in vain, including the Christian Bible, seeking the proof
he needed. Never found it. However, what he found was that many of
the popular beliefs and conceptions held by believers didn't exist in
the Bible either. I don't remember all the specific details, but I
recall this: Due to our limited ability to comprehend the concept of
a "God", the unknown or even the origin of the universe, we tend to
put human terms on things. "God" is perceived by many as some dude
sitting up in a place called heaven .... up in the sky ..... looking
down on us and watching everything we do. But nowhere in the Bible
does it come close to describing such a thing. The Bible describes
"God" as a spirit .... not a super human. It's a feeling, not an
entity and is expressed by faith.

Your mileage may vary.

Yes, indeed, what bothers me in ALL of this, be it those who believe in
a religion, or are atheist or whatever is that they think it's their way
or the highway. That makes me feel like they are expecting ME to
tolerate their intolerance.

Why we can't have good things
 

On 4/3/2013 6:08 PM, Urin Asshole wrote:
On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 16:05:29 -0500, amdx wrote:

On 3/29/2013 7:15 PM, Urin Asshole wrote:
On Fri, 29 Mar 2013 18:16:10 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 29 Mar 2013 14:16:21 -0700, Urin Asshole
wrote:

On Fri, 29 Mar 2013 16:45:59 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 29 Mar 2013 12:49:00 -0700, Urin Asshole
wrote:

What "facts"? The whole program is based on the ability of the
government to borrow more money and raise taxes more.
There is no "trust funds" they spent every dime of that money and it
is unclear how they will ever pay it back.

Feel free to dispute the facts. That don't make you right.

http://www.ssa.gov/oact/progdata/fundFAQ.html

That demonstrates that the federal government spent all of the surplus
and they promise to pay it back but they have not said how.

The don't have to "pay it back". It's a trust fund. Do you need me to
tell you to look it up?


How far do you have to go back to actually see the federal government
paying down a dime of the debt?
(hint: new cars had tail fins)

Which has nothing to do with anything.

Medicare is in worse shape, but not catastrophically so... and again,
it will be decades before it becomes so. A fix is indicated, but not
on the backs of middle and lower income.

There are not enough rich people to save these programs, who do you
think will have to pay?

You're just being deliberately dense. The worst thing we can right now
is make middle and lower income families pay more. When the economy
recovers, then the middle income families will be able to afford to
help a bit more.

If you took every dime from the Forbes 400, it would run SS for about
175 days.
The middle class is going to have to pay more, at least the Clinton
tax rates and maybe even the Reagan tax rates.

Which has nothing to do with anything. Feel free to hide under your
house if you're that afraid.


http://www.nasi.org/learn/medicare/financial-problems

$32 billion out of whack 3 years ago ... What I said.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3130421

Do you really think medical care will ever cost less?

Don't know. I do know that the rate of increase can be slowed. It
doesn't need to exceed inflation the way it does.

But you know, right?

I can look at the trends.

Feel free. The US has been solvent and paid it's debts since the
1700s.

Well fine, let's see us pay off the 17 trillion debt.
If our debt was called today, we would be insolvent.
The problem for our debtees, is we are to big to force us
into insolvency.
Mikek

You ****ing moron. Most of the "debt" is held by Americans.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012...it-isnt-china/

Jesus you people are ignorant. Even fox gets it right.

You sure read a lot into comments that is not even hinted at.
I never said the word China. The US has been solvent, but with 17
trillion in debt, the governments option to remain solvent is to raise
taxes. Great for the economy and job creation. (sarcasm)
Financial planners are advising clients to pay taxes now vs. delaying
them until retirement, because taxes are expected to be higher in later
years.
BTW, do you know where the SS trust fund is? It is part of the 17
trillion debt. That means it has been spent. That means it will be paid
back with taxes collected from today's worker, with interest tacked on.
That means I paid it in once, then the younger people will pay it in
again, to pay me.