On Fri, 29 Mar 2013 17:45:29 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:



"J Herring" wrote in message
.. .


Experience is a great teacher. You covered a lot of items there...many
of which she has no need to
know, like 'safely carry' (she's not), cleaning (which would have to
include disassembly), dealing
with jams (call the Range Safety guy), and 'much more range time and
instruction'. If she wants to
be a good shot with various weapons and be able to disassemble and
reassemble then perhaps you're
right. But, she certainly doesn't *need* all that to be comfortable
with loading and shooting a
weapon - safely. The pertinent laws were part of the class. She fired
a revolver (.38 Special) and
an M&P 9mm. She has no need to learn about a lot of different weapons
and ammunition.


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Well, we'll have to disagree. If you think your wife (or anyone for
that matter) "doesn't need" to know how to disassemble, clean, deal
with jams (just call the RSO ???? ... I can't believe you said that)
.... then I'll have to make sure I never visit the range she shoots
at.

I bought some .380 "Snap-Caps" and spent an hour or so trying to
intentionally cause a jam in both the Walther PPK/S and the S&W
Bodyguard. I bought them purposely because they often don't work well
in some gun models .... just like some manufacturer's live rounds
don't always work well with certain gun models. I succeeded with
the Walther, causing a Snap-Cap to become wedged and stuck in the
chamber and the next Snap-Cap round in the magazine to jam up and out
of place behind it. In this situation, the magazine could not be
released (it was also jammed) and holding the slide back and shaking
the gun or pushing at the jammed round would not clear it. I finally
managed to get the jammed magazine round out, release and remove the
clip, but the chambered Snap-Cap wouldn't drop out. It was jammed
solid within the barrel. Finally got it out by lightly tapping on
the "lead end" with one of my cleaning rods.

I did this because a similar jam occurred the first time I used that
gun, except it was with live ammo. It took two of us to clear it, one
holding the slide back as far as it would go (it wouldn't lock) and
the other pressing the magazine release button while tugging on the
bottom of the magazine at the same time.

I learned that the Walther doesn't like ammo manufactured by
Independence. Since then I buy Winchester, Remington or Federal and
have not had any problems.

So what if something like this happened to your wife "on the range"
and the RSO wasn't around?



BTW, has your wife taken the course which teaches all the items you covered?


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"J Herring" wrote in message
...


BTW, has your wife taken the course which teaches all the items you
covered?

===============================================


My wife has no desire to even hold or look at a gun, let alone shoot
one. If she did, and wanted to get a permit to own one, I'd recommend
she take the course that my son and his wife took that was far more
extensive. In anticipation of your next question, all my guns are
kept in a safe in my house and the only other person other than me who
has the combination is my son in South Carolina (in case something
should happen to us.)

My point in my original post was that I found the simple, 5 hour
course required to get a LTC in MA is marginally worthwhile,
especially for people who are not familiar with firearms or have
little or no experience with using them. I think that is a little
ironic for a state that otherwise has some very strict gun ownership
laws.

On Fri, 29 Mar 2013 23:10:12 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:



"J Herring" wrote in message
.. .


BTW, has your wife taken the course which teaches all the items you
covered?

===============================================


My wife has no desire to even hold or look at a gun, let alone shoot
one. If she did, and wanted to get a permit to own one, I'd recommend
she take the course that my son and his wife took that was far more
extensive. In anticipation of your next question, all my guns are
kept in a safe in my house and the only other person other than me who
has the combination is my son in South Carolina (in case something
should happen to us.)

My point in my original post was that I found the simple, 5 hour
course required to get a LTC in MA is marginally worthwhile,
especially for people who are not familiar with firearms or have
little or no experience with using them. I think that is a little
ironic for a state that otherwise has some very strict gun ownership
laws.


There is a whole list of courses available for my wife (and me, possibly) to take if we desire. They
include advanced handgun, personal protection, concealed carry, pistol cleaning and maintenance,
Utah/multi-state concealed carry, and a pot full of rifle courses. She took the basic pistol course.
Good catch on my next question. We do keep a loaded gun in the house, and have for many years. When
I saw the class given by a woman for women, I thought my wife would be interested. She was. Now
she's wanting me to take her to the range. It won't be in the woods shooting at stumps. Last night,
while going out for dinner, she mentioned getting a carry permit. So, she may be taking the next
courses sooner than I thought!


Salmonbait

--
'Name-calling'...the liberals' last resort.

On 3/30/13 7:47 AM, J Herring wrote:
On Fri, 29 Mar 2013 23:10:12 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:



"J Herring" wrote in message
...


BTW, has your wife taken the course which teaches all the items you
covered?

===============================================


My wife has no desire to even hold or look at a gun, let alone shoot
one. If she did, and wanted to get a permit to own one, I'd recommend
she take the course that my son and his wife took that was far more
extensive. In anticipation of your next question, all my guns are
kept in a safe in my house and the only other person other than me who
has the combination is my son in South Carolina (in case something
should happen to us.)

My point in my original post was that I found the simple, 5 hour
course required to get a LTC in MA is marginally worthwhile,
especially for people who are not familiar with firearms or have
little or no experience with using them. I think that is a little
ironic for a state that otherwise has some very strict gun ownership
laws.


There is a whole list of courses available for my wife (and me, possibly) to take if we desire. They
include advanced handgun, personal protection, concealed carry, pistol cleaning and maintenance,
Utah/multi-state concealed carry, and a pot full of rifle courses. She took the basic pistol course.
Good catch on my next question. We do keep a loaded gun in the house, and have for many years. When
I saw the class given by a woman for women, I thought my wife would be interested. She was. Now
she's wanting me to take her to the range. It won't be in the woods shooting at stumps. Last night,
while going out for dinner, she mentioned getting a carry permit. So, she may be taking the next
courses sooner than I thought!


Salmonbait

--
'Name-calling'...the liberals' last resort.


Oh, boy! Be sure to keep us posted...I don't often watch the local news
on TV.

On 3/30/2013 7:48 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 3/30/13 7:47 AM, J Herring wrote:
On Fri, 29 Mar 2013 23:10:12 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:



"J Herring" wrote in message
...


BTW, has your wife taken the course which teaches all the items you
covered?

===============================================


My wife has no desire to even hold or look at a gun, let alone shoot
one. If she did, and wanted to get a permit to own one, I'd recommend
she take the course that my son and his wife took that was far more
extensive. In anticipation of your next question, all my guns are
kept in a safe in my house and the only other person other than me who
has the combination is my son in South Carolina (in case something
should happen to us.)

My point in my original post was that I found the simple, 5 hour
course required to get a LTC in MA is marginally worthwhile,
especially for people who are not familiar with firearms or have
little or no experience with using them. I think that is a little
ironic for a state that otherwise has some very strict gun ownership
laws.


There is a whole list of courses available for my wife (and me,
possibly) to take if we desire. They
include advanced handgun, personal protection, concealed carry, pistol
cleaning and maintenance,
Utah/multi-state concealed carry, and a pot full of rifle courses. She
took the basic pistol course.
Good catch on my next question. We do keep a loaded gun in the house,
and have for many years. When
I saw the class given by a woman for women, I thought my wife would be
interested. She was. Now
she's wanting me to take her to the range. It won't be in the woods
shooting at stumps. Last night,
while going out for dinner, she mentioned getting a carry permit. So,
she may be taking the next
courses sooner than I thought!


Salmonbait

--
'Name-calling'...the liberals' last resort.


Oh, boy! Be sure to keep us posted...I don't often watch the local news
on TV.

Why do you have to be such an asshole, all of the time.

Tell the little woman who manages your life and pays your bills to find
something for you to do that makes you happy. Otherwise you'll sit there
pounding on your keyboard, chewing your fingers and becoming more
miserable.

On Sat, 30 Mar 2013 09:20:00 -0400, Hank© wrote:

On 3/30/2013 7:48 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 3/30/13 7:47 AM, J Herring wrote:
On Fri, 29 Mar 2013 23:10:12 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:



"J Herring" wrote in message
...


BTW, has your wife taken the course which teaches all the items you
covered?

===============================================


My wife has no desire to even hold or look at a gun, let alone shoot
one. If she did, and wanted to get a permit to own one, I'd recommend
she take the course that my son and his wife took that was far more
extensive. In anticipation of your next question, all my guns are
kept in a safe in my house and the only other person other than me who
has the combination is my son in South Carolina (in case something
should happen to us.)

My point in my original post was that I found the simple, 5 hour
course required to get a LTC in MA is marginally worthwhile,
especially for people who are not familiar with firearms or have
little or no experience with using them. I think that is a little
ironic for a state that otherwise has some very strict gun ownership
laws.


There is a whole list of courses available for my wife (and me,
possibly) to take if we desire. They
include advanced handgun, personal protection, concealed carry, pistol
cleaning and maintenance,
Utah/multi-state concealed carry, and a pot full of rifle courses. She
took the basic pistol course.
Good catch on my next question. We do keep a loaded gun in the house,
and have for many years. When
I saw the class given by a woman for women, I thought my wife would be
interested. She was. Now
she's wanting me to take her to the range. It won't be in the woods
shooting at stumps. Last night,
while going out for dinner, she mentioned getting a carry permit. So,
she may be taking the next
courses sooner than I thought!


Salmonbait

--
'Name-calling'...the liberals' last resort.


Oh, boy! Be sure to keep us posted...I don't often watch the local news
on TV.

Why do you have to be such an asshole, all of the time.

Tell the little woman who manages your life and pays your bills to find
something for you to do that makes you happy. Otherwise you'll sit there
pounding on your keyboard, chewing your fingers and becoming more
miserable.

It's called 'bitterness'. Damn shame. But, it happens.


Salmonbait

--
'Name-calling'...the liberals' last resort.

On 3/30/13 9:24 AM, J Herring wrote:
On Sat, 30 Mar 2013 09:20:00 -0400, Hank© wrote:

On 3/30/2013 7:48 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 3/30/13 7:47 AM, J Herring wrote:
On Fri, 29 Mar 2013 23:10:12 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:



"J Herring" wrote in message
...


BTW, has your wife taken the course which teaches all the items you
covered?

===============================================


My wife has no desire to even hold or look at a gun, let alone shoot
one. If she did, and wanted to get a permit to own one, I'd recommend
she take the course that my son and his wife took that was far more
extensive. In anticipation of your next question, all my guns are
kept in a safe in my house and the only other person other than me who
has the combination is my son in South Carolina (in case something
should happen to us.)

My point in my original post was that I found the simple, 5 hour
course required to get a LTC in MA is marginally worthwhile,
especially for people who are not familiar with firearms or have
little or no experience with using them. I think that is a little
ironic for a state that otherwise has some very strict gun ownership
laws.


There is a whole list of courses available for my wife (and me,
possibly) to take if we desire. They
include advanced handgun, personal protection, concealed carry, pistol
cleaning and maintenance,
Utah/multi-state concealed carry, and a pot full of rifle courses. She
took the basic pistol course.
Good catch on my next question. We do keep a loaded gun in the house,
and have for many years. When
I saw the class given by a woman for women, I thought my wife would be
interested. She was. Now
she's wanting me to take her to the range. It won't be in the woods
shooting at stumps. Last night,
while going out for dinner, she mentioned getting a carry permit. So,
she may be taking the next
courses sooner than I thought!


Salmonbait

--
'Name-calling'...the liberals' last resort.


Oh, boy! Be sure to keep us posted...I don't often watch the local news
on TV.

Why do you have to be such an asshole, all of the time.

Tell the little woman who manages your life and pays your bills to find
something for you to do that makes you happy. Otherwise you'll sit there
pounding on your keyboard, chewing your fingers and becoming more
miserable.

It's called 'bitterness'. Damn shame. But, it happens.


Salmonbait

--
'Name-calling'...the liberals' last resort.



Bitterness? I'm not the aging white guy whose beliefs and phobias are
confronting him...you are. In anything or everything that matters, I'm
very pleased not to be a hateful old fart like you, and scared stiff of
blacks, latinos, strong women, gays, whatever.

Fortunately, you right-wing assholes are dying faster than your breed
stock can replace you.

In article , says...

"J Herring" wrote in message
...


BTW, has your wife taken the course which teaches all the items you
covered?

===============================================


My wife has no desire to even hold or look at a gun, let alone shoot
one. If she did, and wanted to get a permit to own one, I'd recommend
she take the course that my son and his wife took that was far more
extensive. In anticipation of your next question, all my guns are
kept in a safe in my house and the only other person other than me who
has the combination is my son in South Carolina (in case something
should happen to us.)

My point in my original post was that I found the simple, 5 hour
course required to get a LTC in MA is marginally worthwhile,
especially for people who are not familiar with firearms or have
little or no experience with using them. I think that is a little
ironic for a state that otherwise has some very strict gun ownership
laws.

Your wife does own a gun or did you get divorced?

On 3/30/2013 10:23 AM, BAR wrote:
In article , says...

"J Herring" wrote in message
...


BTW, has your wife taken the course which teaches all the items you
covered?

===============================================


My wife has no desire to even hold or look at a gun, let alone shoot
one. If she did, and wanted to get a permit to own one, I'd recommend
she take the course that my son and his wife took that was far more
extensive. In anticipation of your next question, all my guns are
kept in a safe in my house and the only other person other than me who
has the combination is my son in South Carolina (in case something
should happen to us.)

My point in my original post was that I found the simple, 5 hour
course required to get a LTC in MA is marginally worthwhile,
especially for people who are not familiar with firearms or have
little or no experience with using them. I think that is a little
ironic for a state that otherwise has some very strict gun ownership
laws.

Your wife does own a gun or did you get divorced?

Are you thinking community property?

"BAR" wrote in message
. ..

In article ,
says...

"J Herring" wrote in message
...


BTW, has your wife taken the course which teaches all the items you
covered?

===============================================


My wife has no desire to even hold or look at a gun, let alone shoot
one. If she did, and wanted to get a permit to own one, I'd
recommend
she take the course that my son and his wife took that was far more
extensive. In anticipation of your next question, all my guns are
kept in a safe in my house and the only other person other than me
who
has the combination is my son in South Carolina (in case something
should happen to us.)

My point in my original post was that I found the simple, 5 hour
course required to get a LTC in MA is marginally worthwhile,
especially for people who are not familiar with firearms or have
little or no experience with using them. I think that is a little
ironic for a state that otherwise has some very strict gun ownership
laws.

Your wife does own a gun or did you get divorced?

--------------------------------------------------

If your question was directed at me, I am not divorced. Married
happily for 43 years.