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F.O.A.D. March 14th 13 02:44 PM

Let's take a cruise, but only if we are constipated...
 
Passengers: Power outages, overflowing toilets on another Carnival
cruise ship
By Ed Payne, and Josh Levs CNN
updated 10:04 AM EDT, Thu March 14, 2013

(CNN) -- A Caribbean cruise aboard the Carnival Dream became a nightmare
for some passengers, a month after a fire crippled another Carnival ship
in the Gulf of Mexico.

Several Dream passengers contacted CNN, telling stories of power outages
and overflowing toilets, all while docked in port at Philipsburg, St.
Maarten, in the eastern Caribbean.

The reports came just two days after Carnival Cruise Lines announced it
was conducting "a comprehensive review" of all its 23 ships.

"We are not allowed off of the boat despite the fact that we have no way
to use the restrooms on board," Jonathan Evans of Reidsville, North
Carolina, said in an e-mail early Thursday. "The cruise director is
giving passengers very limited information and tons of empty promises.
What was supposed to take an hour has turned into 7-plus hours."

U.S. Coast Guard Chief Petty Officer Ryan Doss told CNN, "We have spoken
to the captain and right now, the decision has been made to have the
passengers remain aboard the ship for accountability purposes. The last
thing we want to do is have someone get left behind in St. Maarten by
accident."


Carnival, in a statement, said the ship never lost power, "but there
were periodic interruptions to elevators and toilets for a few hours
last night. However, at this time all hotel systems are functioning
normally and have been functional since approximately 12:30 a.m."

The ship has full power, but remains at dock while personnel work on
"the technical issue," the company said in the statement on its Facebook
page.

The Dream, based in Port Canaveral, Florida, was on a seven-day cruise.

It was scheduled to leave port around 5 p.m. ET Wednesday.

The U.S. Coast Guard said Thursday it was notified by Carnival that the
Dream was experiencing generator issues. Carnival has not requested
assistance from the Coast Guard, which has no jurisdiction in the ship's
current location, Coast Guard Petty Officer Jon-Paul Rios told CNN.

The vessel's emergency generator -- which powers propulsion for the ship
-- has failed, Coast Guard Petty Officer Mark Barney said.

The U.S. Coast Guard Sector Command Center is in direct communication
with the captain of the Carnival Dream, Barney said, adding that the
captain reports that the ship's main generator and sewage system are
functioning, unaffected by the emergency generator failure.


'Human waste all over the floor'

Gregg Stark, who is traveling with his wife and two young children, told
CNN, "There's human waste all over the floor in some of the bathrooms
and they're overflowing -- and in the state rooms. The elevators have
not been working. They've been turning them on and off, on and off."

An announcement over the ship's public address system said the crew was
trying to fix the problem and was working on the generators, according
to Stark. A few hours later, another announcement was made, saying the
problem was worse than originally believed.

On Wednesday night, despite complaints coming in to CNN, Carnival
representative Vance Gulliksen said he wasn't aware of a problem.
Several subsequent calls to the cruise line went unanswered.

The Dream, which can carry more than 5,000 passengers and crew, sailed
from Port Canaveral on Saturday.

Last month, an engine room fire left the Carnival Triumph crippled and
adrift in the Gulf of Mexico with more than 4,200 people aboard.

READ: Crippled cruise ship returns; passengers happy to be back

The scheduled four-day cruise stretched into eight days as tugs pulled
the vessel into port in Alabama. Food was scarce and passengers
sweltered in the heat with no air conditioning. People aboard also
reported overflowing toilets and human waste running down the walls in
some parts of the ship.

A class action lawsuit was filed against Carnival Corporation in the
aftermath.

Carnival President and CEO Gerry Cahill announced the comprehensive
review of the company's vessels Tuesday, saying the probe would focus on
the prevention, detection and suppression of fires, engine room
redundancies, and what additional hotel facilities might be provided and
might run off the emergency generators.

His comments, posted on Carnival's website, were made at an annual
cruise industry conference in Miami.

F.O.A.D. March 14th 13 04:11 PM

Let's take a cruise, but only if we are constipated...
 
On 3/14/13 12:09 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 10:44:03 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

Passengers: Power outages, overflowing toilets on another Carnival
cruise ship


CNN says they are holding the ship in port and flying the people out
on charter flights. They are going to let people go ashore now. They
said they had all of the systems going so it is not a Triumph thing.

I guess there are worse things than being stranded in St Maartins ;-)



Yeah, I suppose there is a good side to having your vacation ruined.

Urin Asshole March 14th 13 04:59 PM

Let's take a cruise, but only if we are constipated...
 
On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 12:09:43 -0400, wrote:

they had all of the systems going so it is not a Triumph thing.


Yeah, it's called a diarrhea thing.

Meyer[_2_] March 14th 13 06:41 PM

Let's take a cruise, but only if we are constipated...
 
On 3/14/2013 12:11 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 3/14/13 12:09 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 10:44:03 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

Passengers: Power outages, overflowing toilets on another Carnival
cruise ship


CNN says they are holding the ship in port and flying the people out
on charter flights. They are going to let people go ashore now. They
said they had all of the systems going so it is not a Triumph thing.

I guess there are worse things than being stranded in St Maartins ;-)



Yeah, I suppose there is a good side to having your vacation ruined.


A setback maybe, but ruined? Do you consider yourself ruined? After all,
you have suffered many setbacks and you seem to always bounce back.
Besides the more time you spend in Sint Marteen, the more bling you can
buy the lovely southern belle.


J Herring March 14th 13 07:19 PM

Let's take a cruise, but only if we are constipated...
 
On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 10:44:03 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

Passengers: Power outages, overflowing toilets on another Carnival
cruise ship
By Ed Payne, and Josh Levs CNN
updated 10:04 AM EDT, Thu March 14, 2013


Thanks so much for posting this cut'n'paste. It wasn't in any of the news, was it?


Salmonbait

--
Hope you're having a spectacular day!

F.O.A.D. March 14th 13 07:27 PM

Let's take a cruise, but only if we are constipated...
 
On 3/14/13 3:19 PM, J Herring wrote:
On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 10:44:03 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

Passengers: Power outages, overflowing toilets on another Carnival
cruise ship
By Ed Payne, and Josh Levs CNN
updated 10:04 AM EDT, Thu March 14, 2013


Thanks so much for posting this cut'n'paste. It wasn't in any of the news, was it?


Salmonbait

--
Hope you're having a spectacular day!


It's certainly more on topic than your search for ammo and gun bags.
BTW, were you at WalMart early this morning, with donuts for the truck
unpackers?

J Herring March 14th 13 07:41 PM

Let's take a cruise, but only if we are constipated...
 
On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 15:27:48 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 3/14/13 3:19 PM, J Herring wrote:
On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 10:44:03 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

Passengers: Power outages, overflowing toilets on another Carnival
cruise ship
By Ed Payne, and Josh Levs CNN
updated 10:04 AM EDT, Thu March 14, 2013


Thanks so much for posting this cut'n'paste. It wasn't in any of the news, was it?


Salmonbait

--
Hope you're having a spectacular day!


It's certainly more on topic than your search for ammo and gun bags.
BTW, were you at WalMart early this morning, with donuts for the truck
unpackers?


Haven't been lately. This morning I was on the golf course.

Apparently you missed the point above.


Salmonbait

--
Hope you're having a spectacular day!

F.O.A.D. March 14th 13 08:27 PM

Let's take a cruise, but only if we are constipated...
 
On 3/14/13 4:10 PM, Gogarty wrote:
Going to sea is a risk. I have no sympathy for people who start yelling and
screaming (and contacting lawyers) when anything goes wrong. All gangplanks
should have a huge sign "Board at your own risk."


There's an expectation that public conveyances are being maintained and
operated properly. Apparently that is not the case with the Carnival
cruise line ships and others that serve mainly U.S. ports but are flying
flags of convenience in nations that apparently aren't rigorous in
establishing, maintaining and enforcing standards.

Perhaps a solution might be to insist that these ships be U.S. flagged,
and therefore subject to U.S. rules regarding construction, operation,
crew training and safety. One rule might be that critical shipboard
personnel share a common language.



Eisboch[_8_] March 14th 13 09:52 PM

Let's take a cruise, but only if we are constipated...
 


"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
...

On 3/14/13 4:10 PM, Gogarty wrote:
Going to sea is a risk. I have no sympathy for people who start
yelling and
screaming (and contacting lawyers) when anything goes wrong. All
gangplanks
should have a huge sign "Board at your own risk."


There's an expectation that public conveyances are being maintained
and
operated properly. Apparently that is not the case with the Carnival
cruise line ships and others that serve mainly U.S. ports but are
flying
flags of convenience in nations that apparently aren't rigorous in
establishing, maintaining and enforcing standards.

Perhaps a solution might be to insist that these ships be U.S.
flagged,
and therefore subject to U.S. rules regarding construction, operation,
crew training and safety. One rule might be that critical shipboard
personnel share a common language.

--------------------------------------------------

Come on, Harry. The solution to every problem in the world isn't
more government inspired laws and regulations. Carnival will sink or
swim on their own based on customer satisfaction/dissatisfaction.
For one, I certainly don't need the government to protect me from them
because I'd never book a cruise with them, solely based on their
reputation.

A cruise ship isn't exactly a common "public" conveyance like a bus or
taxi.






Urin Asshole March 14th 13 11:46 PM

Let's take a cruise, but only if we are constipated...
 
On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 17:07:25 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 09:59:07 -0700, Urin Asshole
wrote:

On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 12:09:43 -0400,
wrote:

they had all of the systems going so it is not a Triumph thing.


Yeah, it's called a diarrhea thing.


What are you talking about. This is a generator failure, not a Norwalk
virus outbreak.


Just wait. It'll get to it eventually.

Meyer[_2_] March 14th 13 11:56 PM

Let's take a cruise, but only if we are constipated...
 
On 3/14/2013 4:27 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 3/14/13 4:10 PM, Gogarty wrote:
Going to sea is a risk. I have no sympathy for people who start
yelling and
screaming (and contacting lawyers) when anything goes wrong. All
gangplanks
should have a huge sign "Board at your own risk."


There's an expectation that public conveyances are being maintained and
operated properly. Apparently that is not the case with the Carnival
cruise line ships and others that serve mainly U.S. ports but are flying
flags of convenience in nations that apparently aren't rigorous in
establishing, maintaining and enforcing standards.

Perhaps a solution might be to insist that these ships be U.S. flagged,
and therefore subject to U.S. rules regarding construction, operation,
crew training and safety. One rule might be that critical shipboard
personnel share a common language.



You're too funny.


Wayne B March 15th 13 12:55 AM

Let's take a cruise, but only if we are constipated...
 
On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 17:52:25 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

The solution to every problem in the world isn't
more government inspired laws and regulations. Carnival will sink or
swim on their own based on customer satisfaction/dissatisfaction.
For one, I certainly don't need the government to protect me from them
because I'd never book a cruise with them, solely based on their
reputation.

A cruise ship isn't exactly a common "public" conveyance like a bus or
taxi.


====

Good points.

The free market system eventually sorts things out.


JustWaitAFrekinMinute March 15th 13 01:38 AM

Let's take a cruise, but only if we are constipated...
 
On 3/14/2013 7:56 PM, Meyer wrote:
On 3/14/2013 4:27 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 3/14/13 4:10 PM, Gogarty wrote:
Going to sea is a risk. I have no sympathy for people who start
yelling and
screaming (and contacting lawyers) when anything goes wrong. All
gangplanks
should have a huge sign "Board at your own risk."


There's an expectation that public conveyances are being maintained and
operated properly. Apparently that is not the case with the Carnival
cruise line ships and others that serve mainly U.S. ports but are flying
flags of convenience in nations that apparently aren't rigorous in
establishing, maintaining and enforcing standards.

Perhaps a solution might be to insist that these ships be U.S. flagged,
and therefore subject to U.S. rules regarding construction, operation,
crew training and safety. One rule might be that critical shipboard
personnel share a common language.



You're too funny.


I said a few weeks back this would come down to feeding more dirty
unions.... Just what we need, a thousand folks on board a disabled ship
that can't do anybody elses job or they might lose their card...

F.O.A.D. March 15th 13 02:16 AM

Let's take a cruise, but only if we are constipated...
 
On 3/14/13 9:38 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 3/14/2013 7:56 PM, Meyer wrote:
On 3/14/2013 4:27 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 3/14/13 4:10 PM, Gogarty wrote:
Going to sea is a risk. I have no sympathy for people who start
yelling and
screaming (and contacting lawyers) when anything goes wrong. All
gangplanks
should have a huge sign "Board at your own risk."


There's an expectation that public conveyances are being maintained and
operated properly. Apparently that is not the case with the Carnival
cruise line ships and others that serve mainly U.S. ports but are flying
flags of convenience in nations that apparently aren't rigorous in
establishing, maintaining and enforcing standards.

Perhaps a solution might be to insist that these ships be U.S. flagged,
and therefore subject to U.S. rules regarding construction, operation,
crew training and safety. One rule might be that critical shipboard
personnel share a common language.



You're too funny.


I said a few weeks back this would come down to feeding more dirty
unions.... Just what we need, a thousand folks on board a disabled ship
that can't do anybody elses job or they might lose their card...



Seafarers are cross-trained, **** for brains. That means they are
professionally trained to handle emergencies aboard ships. We're not
talking about the kitchen crew or the cleaning crew.

Lordy, you are an ignorant little putz.

iBoaterer[_2_] March 15th 13 01:28 PM

Let's take a cruise, but only if we are constipated...
 
In article ,
says...

On 3/14/13 9:38 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 3/14/2013 7:56 PM, Meyer wrote:
On 3/14/2013 4:27 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 3/14/13 4:10 PM, Gogarty wrote:
Going to sea is a risk. I have no sympathy for people who start
yelling and
screaming (and contacting lawyers) when anything goes wrong. All
gangplanks
should have a huge sign "Board at your own risk."


There's an expectation that public conveyances are being maintained and
operated properly. Apparently that is not the case with the Carnival
cruise line ships and others that serve mainly U.S. ports but are flying
flags of convenience in nations that apparently aren't rigorous in
establishing, maintaining and enforcing standards.

Perhaps a solution might be to insist that these ships be U.S. flagged,
and therefore subject to U.S. rules regarding construction, operation,
crew training and safety. One rule might be that critical shipboard
personnel share a common language.



You're too funny.


I said a few weeks back this would come down to feeding more dirty
unions.... Just what we need, a thousand folks on board a disabled ship
that can't do anybody elses job or they might lose their card...



Seafarers are cross-trained, **** for brains. That means they are
professionally trained to handle emergencies aboard ships. We're not
talking about the kitchen crew or the cleaning crew.

Lordy, you are an ignorant little putz.


Yup.

JustWaitAFrekinMinute March 15th 13 01:44 PM

Let's take a cruise, but only if we are constipated...
 
On 3/15/2013 9:28 AM, Gogarty wrote:
In article ,
says...


On 3/14/13 9:38 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 3/14/2013 7:56 PM, Meyer wrote:
On 3/14/2013 4:27 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 3/14/13 4:10 PM, Gogarty wrote:
Going to sea is a risk. I have no sympathy for people who start
yelling and
screaming (and contacting lawyers) when anything goes wrong. All
gangplanks
should have a huge sign "Board at your own risk."


There's an expectation that public conveyances are being maintained and
operated properly. Apparently that is not the case with the Carnival
cruise line ships and others that serve mainly U.S. ports but are flying
flags of convenience in nations that apparently aren't rigorous in
establishing, maintaining and enforcing standards.

Perhaps a solution might be to insist that these ships be U.S. flagged,
and therefore subject to U.S. rules regarding construction, operation,
crew training and safety. One rule might be that critical shipboard
personnel share a common language.



You're too funny.


I said a few weeks back this would come down to feeding more dirty
unions.... Just what we need, a thousand folks on board a disabled ship
that can't do anybody elses job or they might lose their card...



Seafarers are cross-trained, **** for brains. That means they are
professionally trained to handle emergencies aboard ships. We're not
talking about the kitchen crew or the cleaning crew.

Lordy, you are an ignorant little putz.


At sea the only crew the passengers see is the hotel staff. The people who
run the ship are all out of sight.


Until the generators cut out then the staff ran around picking up poop
bags which they probably could not have done in a union shop..

Meyer[_2_] March 15th 13 03:03 PM

Let's take a cruise, but only if we are constipated...
 
On 3/15/2013 9:28 AM, Gogarty wrote:
In article ,
says...


On 3/14/13 9:38 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 3/14/2013 7:56 PM, Meyer wrote:
On 3/14/2013 4:27 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 3/14/13 4:10 PM, Gogarty wrote:
Going to sea is a risk. I have no sympathy for people who start
yelling and
screaming (and contacting lawyers) when anything goes wrong. All
gangplanks
should have a huge sign "Board at your own risk."


There's an expectation that public conveyances are being maintained and
operated properly. Apparently that is not the case with the Carnival
cruise line ships and others that serve mainly U.S. ports but are flying
flags of convenience in nations that apparently aren't rigorous in
establishing, maintaining and enforcing standards.

Perhaps a solution might be to insist that these ships be U.S. flagged,
and therefore subject to U.S. rules regarding construction, operation,
crew training and safety. One rule might be that critical shipboard
personnel share a common language.



You're too funny.


I said a few weeks back this would come down to feeding more dirty
unions.... Just what we need, a thousand folks on board a disabled ship
that can't do anybody elses job or they might lose their card...



Seafarers are cross-trained, **** for brains. That means they are
professionally trained to handle emergencies aboard ships. We're not
talking about the kitchen crew or the cleaning crew.

Lordy, you are an ignorant little putz.


At sea the only crew the passengers see is the hotel staff. The people who
run the ship are all out of sight.

Were you blinded by golden shoulder boards?

Urin Asshole March 15th 13 04:47 PM

Let's take a cruise, but only if we are constipated...
 
On Fri, 15 Mar 2013 09:26:58 -0400, Gogarty
wrote:

In article ,
says...


On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 17:07:25 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 09:59:07 -0700, Urin Asshole
wrote:

On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 12:09:43 -0400,
wrote:

they had all of the systems going so it is not a Triumph thing.


Yeah, it's called a diarrhea thing.

What are you talking about. This is a generator failure, not a Norwalk
virus outbreak.


Just wait. It'll get to it eventually.


You are aware that even the Queen Mary 2 had an outbreak of norovirus
over the Christmas holiday.


I wasn't, but why would I want to be on a boat with 5K other people?

J Herring March 15th 13 06:48 PM

Let's take a cruise, but only if we are constipated...
 
On Fri, 15 Mar 2013 13:32:31 -0400, Gogarty wrote:

In article ,
says...


On Fri, 15 Mar 2013 09:26:58 -0400, Gogarty
wrote:

In article ,
says...


On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 17:07:25 -0400,
wrote:

On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 09:59:07 -0700, Urin Asshole
wrote:

On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 12:09:43 -0400,
wrote:

they had all of the systems going so it is not a Triumph thing.


Yeah, it's called a diarrhea thing.

What are you talking about. This is a generator failure, not a Norwalk
virus outbreak.

Just wait. It'll get to it eventually.

You are aware that even the Queen Mary 2 had an outbreak of norovirus
over the Christmas holiday.


I wasn't, but why would I want to be on a boat with 5K other people?


Had the same thought myself. But then I found it was like being in a small
town. You don't have to do anything or have anything to do with all those
other people. Just enjoy the sea. It's like Club Med in a can. We had just
two brief conversations with other people in seven days.


There sure are a lot of strange, misperceptions about a cruise on a ship!


Salmonbait

--
Hope you're having a spectacular day!

Urin Asshole March 15th 13 07:22 PM

Let's take a cruise, but only if we are constipated...
 
On Fri, 15 Mar 2013 13:32:31 -0400, Gogarty
wrote:

In article ,
says...


On Fri, 15 Mar 2013 09:26:58 -0400, Gogarty
wrote:

In article ,
says...


On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 17:07:25 -0400,
wrote:

On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 09:59:07 -0700, Urin Asshole
wrote:

On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 12:09:43 -0400,
wrote:

they had all of the systems going so it is not a Triumph thing.


Yeah, it's called a diarrhea thing.

What are you talking about. This is a generator failure, not a Norwalk
virus outbreak.

Just wait. It'll get to it eventually.

You are aware that even the Queen Mary 2 had an outbreak of norovirus
over the Christmas holiday.


I wasn't, but why would I want to be on a boat with 5K other people?


Had the same thought myself. But then I found it was like being in a small
town. You don't have to do anything or have anything to do with all those
other people. Just enjoy the sea. It's like Club Med in a can. We had just
two brief conversations with other people in seven days.


I could see a smaller boat up in Alaska or maybe one of those bigger
sailboats that take 50 people down in the Carib.

I heard the food is great though, but there are lots of obese people.

F.O.A.D. March 16th 13 02:12 PM

Let's take a cruise, but only if we are constipated...
 
On 3/16/13 9:50 AM, Gogarty wrote:
In article ,
says...


I could see a smaller boat up in Alaska or maybe one of those bigger
sailboats that take 50 people down in the Carib.

I heard the food is great though, but there are lots of obese people.


The smaller ships in the Caribbean have disappeared. Company went belly up.
There is the Mystic Whaler out of New London. We did that more than 30 years
ago. Find a book entitled "Cruises and Cruse Ships." On our Christmas cruise
the food was great. We had a table for two. There were 1,000 children aboard.
Lots of fat people. Not in general a classy lot. But so what? Pay mre, get
more class. We are now looking at a July 4 cruise on the Queen Mary 2 to
Halifax and back.

Of course we would rather still have our own boat in which we ranged the
coast from Annapolis to Plymouth.


Is Swan Hellenic out of business? I heard it started up again, under
private ownership by a fellow who wrestled the brand name away from
Carnival. Anyway, if it is operational, it has a relatively small ship,
called Minerva, that we took a trip on in the late 1990s. The ship has
or had a really interesting "birthing." Carried about 400 passengers.
Much was made of its "ice-classified hull," though at the time we were
on it, little glacial ice was to be found. :)



Wayne B March 16th 13 02:51 PM

Let's take a cruise, but only if we are constipated...
 
On Sat, 16 Mar 2013 09:50:01 -0400, Gogarty
wrote:

The smaller ships in the Caribbean have disappeared.


====


That's not really true. We are in the Caibbean right now and see
quite a few small to mid-size ships.

Try doing a Google search on "small caribbean cruise ships". You will
get a lot of hits.

If you want something really different, take a look at this:

http://www.starclippers.com/us/our-fleet.html

http://www.starclippers.com/

J Herring March 16th 13 03:01 PM

Let's take a cruise, but only if we are constipated...
 
On Sat, 16 Mar 2013 09:50:01 -0400, Gogarty wrote:

In article ,
says...


I could see a smaller boat up in Alaska or maybe one of those bigger
sailboats that take 50 people down in the Carib.

I heard the food is great though, but there are lots of obese people.


The smaller ships in the Caribbean have disappeared. Company went belly up.
There is the Mystic Whaler out of New London. We did that more than 30 years
ago. Find a book entitled "Cruises and Cruse Ships." On our Christmas cruise
the food was great. We had a table for two. There were 1,000 children aboard.
Lots of fat people. Not in general a classy lot. But so what? Pay mre, get
more class. We are now looking at a July 4 cruise on the Queen Mary 2 to
Halifax and back.

Of course we would rather still have our own boat in which we ranged the
coast from Annapolis to Plymouth.


That July 4 cruise sounds like fun. We almost did that trip last fall, from New York to Halifax with
stops in between to 'see the leaves'. It would have been on one of the Disney ships. Great food!


Salmonbait

--
Hope you're having a spectacular day!

Meyer[_2_] March 16th 13 04:17 PM

Let's take a cruise, but only if we are constipated...
 
On 3/16/2013 11:01 AM, J Herring wrote:
On Sat, 16 Mar 2013 09:50:01 -0400, Gogarty wrote:

In article ,
says...


I could see a smaller boat up in Alaska or maybe one of those bigger
sailboats that take 50 people down in the Carib.

I heard the food is great though, but there are lots of obese people.


The smaller ships in the Caribbean have disappeared. Company went belly up.
There is the Mystic Whaler out of New London. We did that more than 30 years
ago. Find a book entitled "Cruises and Cruse Ships." On our Christmas cruise
the food was great. We had a table for two. There were 1,000 children aboard.
Lots of fat people. Not in general a classy lot. But so what? Pay mre, get
more class. We are now looking at a July 4 cruise on the Queen Mary 2 to
Halifax and back.

Of course we would rather still have our own boat in which we ranged the
coast from Annapolis to Plymouth.


That July 4 cruise sounds like fun. We almost did that trip last fall, from New York to Halifax with
stops in between to 'see the leaves'. It would have been on one of the Disney ships. Great food!


Salmonbait

--
Hope you're having a spectacular day!

Are you required to go ashore in Halifax, or is it permissible to stay
aboard ship and enjoy the amenities while admiring the waterfront?

J Herring March 16th 13 05:14 PM

Let's take a cruise, but only if we are constipated...
 
On Sat, 16 Mar 2013 12:17:47 -0400, Meyer wrote:

On 3/16/2013 11:01 AM, J Herring wrote:
On Sat, 16 Mar 2013 09:50:01 -0400, Gogarty wrote:

In article ,
says...


I could see a smaller boat up in Alaska or maybe one of those bigger
sailboats that take 50 people down in the Carib.

I heard the food is great though, but there are lots of obese people.

The smaller ships in the Caribbean have disappeared. Company went belly up.
There is the Mystic Whaler out of New London. We did that more than 30 years
ago. Find a book entitled "Cruises and Cruse Ships." On our Christmas cruise
the food was great. We had a table for two. There were 1,000 children aboard.
Lots of fat people. Not in general a classy lot. But so what? Pay mre, get
more class. We are now looking at a July 4 cruise on the Queen Mary 2 to
Halifax and back.

Of course we would rather still have our own boat in which we ranged the
coast from Annapolis to Plymouth.


That July 4 cruise sounds like fun. We almost did that trip last fall, from New York to Halifax with
stops in between to 'see the leaves'. It would have been on one of the Disney ships. Great food!


Salmonbait

--
Hope you're having a spectacular day!

Are you required to go ashore in Halifax, or is it permissible to stay
aboard ship and enjoy the amenities while admiring the waterfront?


No requirement to go ashore. The food would be much better on board anyway!


Salmonbait

--
Hope you're having a spectacular day!

J Herring March 16th 13 05:16 PM

Let's take a cruise, but only if we are constipated...
 
On Sat, 16 Mar 2013 13:05:09 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 16 Mar 2013 10:51:04 -0400, Wayne B
wrote:

On Sat, 16 Mar 2013 09:50:01 -0400, Gogarty
wrote:

The smaller ships in the Caribbean have disappeared.


====


That's not really true. We are in the Caibbean right now and see
quite a few small to mid-size ships.

Try doing a Google search on "small caribbean cruise ships". You will
get a lot of hits.

If you want something really different, take a look at this:

http://www.starclippers.com/us/our-fleet.html

http://www.starclippers.com/



My wife wants to do that. I will forward her the URL but I bet she
already has it.

We are kinda burnt on the Caribbean. It looks like we are doing Oregon
next.


Have you seen the sites in southern Utah yet?


Salmonbait

--
Hope you're having a spectacular day!

F.O.A.D. March 16th 13 05:21 PM

Let's take a cruise, but only if we are constipated...
 
On 3/16/13 1:01 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 15 Mar 2013 12:22:00 -0700, Urin Asshole
wrote:

I heard the food is great though, but there are lots of obese people.


On a Carnival boat, the food is like you get at a Carnival, plenty of
it but not that great.
All I can say about the obese people is one of the "emergencies" is
that the elevators stopped working. There are 8-12 foot wide stair
cases throughout the ship but most of these lard asses are waiting for
the elevator, just to go up one deck.

We have a rule on a cruise, never use the elevator. There is too much
eating and not enough exercise the way it is.



I don't see how the food on a massive "for the masses" ship could be
"great," considering how many diners there are at each sitting, how
significant the preparation has to be, and how much of it has to be done
ahead of time.

It's just a lot of food, prepared "en masse," sort of like the meals at
the big hotels in Las Vegas.

One of the dinner menus from a Disney cruise line looks suspiciously
like preprepared microwaved entrees right from the freezer:

Slowly Braised Lamb Shank with a Creamy Polenta and Portobello
Mushroom in a Red Wine Sauce

Three-Cheese Lobster Macaroni Lobster Meat, Gruyère, and Cheddar
Cheese Sauce tossed with Tubular Pasta and topped with a Parmesan Wafer

Porcini Mushroom-Stuffed Pasta in a Vegetable Broth topped with
Watercress, Shaved Parmesan Cheese, and Paprika Oil Drizzle

"Triton's" Seared Sea Bass with a Mushroom Herb Risotto, Sweet
Onion Marmalade, and garnished with a Potato Crisp

Grilled Marinated Tofu, Roasted Zucchini, Eggplant, and Red Peppers
on Israeli Couscous with a Lime-Cilantro Sauce

Crispy Roasted Duck Breast with Braised Napa Cabbage and Potato
Cake, with Pomegranate Jus

Grilled Farm-Raised Chicken Breast Green Asparagus, Pineapple, and
Raisin Barley with Herb-Lemon Jus Grilled Beef Tenderloin on Olive-Oil
Smashed Potatoes, Bacon-wrapped Green Beans, and Tamarind-Barbecue Reduction

I dunno, it just doesn't seem like the fare at a decent landside
restaurant, like, oh:

La côte de veau grillée, légumes saisonniers et champignons sauvages





J Herring March 16th 13 05:27 PM

Let's take a cruise, but only if we are constipated...
 
On Sat, 16 Mar 2013 13:21:10 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 3/16/13 1:01 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 15 Mar 2013 12:22:00 -0700, Urin Asshole
wrote:

I heard the food is great though, but there are lots of obese people.


On a Carnival boat, the food is like you get at a Carnival, plenty of
it but not that great.
All I can say about the obese people is one of the "emergencies" is
that the elevators stopped working. There are 8-12 foot wide stair
cases throughout the ship but most of these lard asses are waiting for
the elevator, just to go up one deck.

We have a rule on a cruise, never use the elevator. There is too much
eating and not enough exercise the way it is.



I don't see how the food on a massive "for the masses" ship could be
"great,"


That's 'cause you've not been on a Disney cruise. You should have stopped right there.


Salmonbait

--
Hope you're having a spectacular day!

F.O.A.D. March 16th 13 05:41 PM

Let's take a cruise, but only if we are constipated...
 
On 3/16/13 1:16 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 16 Mar 2013 12:17:47 -0400, Meyer wrote:

On 3/16/2013 11:01 AM, J Herring wrote:



Are you required to go ashore in Halifax, or is it permissible to stay
aboard ship and enjoy the amenities while admiring the waterfront?


You can always stay on the ship but we make a point of getting off and
seeing what there is to see wherever it stops


When we were in Santo Tomás de Castilla Guatemala it didn't look like
there was much to see (just a little straw market) but once we started
walking around we found the navy was running a water taxi over to a
Great Western resort and they had a hiking path back in the rain
forest that went on for miles. We saw howler monkeys and birds I have
never seen anywhere else. It was certainly worth the $10 a head for
the boat ride.



Go on a cruise and stay on the ship when it makes port?

Ugly Americans do. Must be a corollary to taking a trip to Greece and
eating a grease burger forlunch at a McDonalds rather than spanakopita
and retsina at a taverna, going to a local Ford dealer to look over cars
instead of spending the day at the Parthenon, and staying at a huge
American hotel instead of a charming pension operated by its on-site
owners.




F.O.A.D. March 16th 13 05:43 PM

Let's take a cruise, but only if we are constipated...
 
On 3/16/13 1:27 PM, J Herring wrote:
On Sat, 16 Mar 2013 13:21:10 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 3/16/13 1:01 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 15 Mar 2013 12:22:00 -0700, Urin Asshole
wrote:

I heard the food is great though, but there are lots of obese people.

On a Carnival boat, the food is like you get at a Carnival, plenty of
it but not that great.
All I can say about the obese people is one of the "emergencies" is
that the elevators stopped working. There are 8-12 foot wide stair
cases throughout the ship but most of these lard asses are waiting for
the elevator, just to go up one deck.

We have a rule on a cruise, never use the elevator. There is too much
eating and not enough exercise the way it is.



I don't see how the food on a massive "for the masses" ship could be
"great,"


That's 'cause you've not been on a Disney cruise. You should have stopped right there.


Salmonbait

--
Hope you're having a spectacular day!



Yeah, and I don't frequent "all you can eat" cafeterias much, either.

Meyer[_2_] March 16th 13 06:03 PM

Let's take a cruise, but only if we are constipated...
 
On 3/16/2013 1:41 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 3/16/13 1:16 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 16 Mar 2013 12:17:47 -0400, Meyer wrote:

On 3/16/2013 11:01 AM, J Herring wrote:



Are you required to go ashore in Halifax, or is it permissible to stay
aboard ship and enjoy the amenities while admiring the waterfront?


You can always stay on the ship but we make a point of getting off and
seeing what there is to see wherever it stops


When we were in Santo Tomás de Castilla Guatemala it didn't look like
there was much to see (just a little straw market) but once we started
walking around we found the navy was running a water taxi over to a
Great Western resort and they had a hiking path back in the rain
forest that went on for miles. We saw howler monkeys and birds I have
never seen anywhere else. It was certainly worth the $10 a head for
the boat ride.



Go on a cruise and stay on the ship when it makes port?

Ugly Americans do. Must be a corollary to taking a trip to Greece and
eating a grease burger forlunch at a McDonalds rather than spanakopita
and retsina at a taverna, going to a local Ford dealer to look over cars
instead of spending the day at the Parthenon, and staying at a huge
American hotel instead of a charming pension operated by its on-site
owners.



We were speaking specifically of Halifax NS. We enjoyed touring the
Greek isles, immensely.

Meyer[_2_] March 16th 13 06:08 PM

Let's take a cruise, but only if we are constipated...
 
On 3/16/2013 1:21 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 3/16/13 1:01 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 15 Mar 2013 12:22:00 -0700, Urin Asshole
wrote:

I heard the food is great though, but there are lots of obese people.


On a Carnival boat, the food is like you get at a Carnival, plenty of
it but not that great.
All I can say about the obese people is one of the "emergencies" is
that the elevators stopped working. There are 8-12 foot wide stair
cases throughout the ship but most of these lard asses are waiting for
the elevator, just to go up one deck.

We have a rule on a cruise, never use the elevator. There is too much
eating and not enough exercise the way it is.



I don't see how the food on a massive "for the masses" ship could be
"great," considering how many diners there are at each sitting, how
significant the preparation has to be, and how much of it has to be done
ahead of time.

It's just a lot of food, prepared "en masse," sort of like the meals at
the big hotels in Las Vegas.

One of the dinner menus from a Disney cruise line looks suspiciously
like preprepared microwaved entrees right from the freezer:

Slowly Braised Lamb Shank with a Creamy Polenta and Portobello
Mushroom in a Red Wine Sauce

Three-Cheese Lobster Macaroni Lobster Meat, Gruyère, and Cheddar
Cheese Sauce tossed with Tubular Pasta and topped with a Parmesan Wafer

Porcini Mushroom-Stuffed Pasta in a Vegetable Broth topped with
Watercress, Shaved Parmesan Cheese, and Paprika Oil Drizzle

"Triton's" Seared Sea Bass with a Mushroom Herb Risotto, Sweet
Onion Marmalade, and garnished with a Potato Crisp

Grilled Marinated Tofu, Roasted Zucchini, Eggplant, and Red Peppers
on Israeli Couscous with a Lime-Cilantro Sauce

Crispy Roasted Duck Breast with Braised Napa Cabbage and Potato
Cake, with Pomegranate Jus

Grilled Farm-Raised Chicken Breast Green Asparagus, Pineapple, and
Raisin Barley with Herb-Lemon Jus Grilled Beef Tenderloin on Olive-Oil
Smashed Potatoes, Bacon-wrapped Green Beans, and Tamarind-Barbecue
Reduction

I dunno, it just doesn't seem like the fare at a decent landside
restaurant, like, oh:

La côte de veau grillée, légumes saisonniers et champignons sauvages

Beans make me fart.
What else you got?


Wayne B March 16th 13 06:13 PM

Let's take a cruise, but only if we are constipated...
 
On Sat, 16 Mar 2013 13:16:35 -0400, wrote:

We saw howler monkeys and birds I have
never seen anywhere else. It was certainly worth the $10 a head for
the boat ride.


====

In my (limited) experience with cruise ships it is important to take
advantage of the excursions even if they seem a little pricey. If
not, you'll end up seeing the same row of tourist trap junk shops that
you saw in the last port.

Just about the worst way of seeing the Caribbean is on a cruise ship
but that's all that a lot of people ever experience. We have
neighbors that couldn't believe we enjoyed Grenada three years ago
because all they saw was the area right around the dock, which leaves
a lot to be desired.

J Herring March 16th 13 07:10 PM

Let's take a cruise, but only if we are constipated...
 
On Sat, 16 Mar 2013 13:43:24 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 3/16/13 1:27 PM, J Herring wrote:
On Sat, 16 Mar 2013 13:21:10 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 3/16/13 1:01 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 15 Mar 2013 12:22:00 -0700, Urin Asshole
wrote:

I heard the food is great though, but there are lots of obese people.

On a Carnival boat, the food is like you get at a Carnival, plenty of
it but not that great.
All I can say about the obese people is one of the "emergencies" is
that the elevators stopped working. There are 8-12 foot wide stair
cases throughout the ship but most of these lard asses are waiting for
the elevator, just to go up one deck.

We have a rule on a cruise, never use the elevator. There is too much
eating and not enough exercise the way it is.



I don't see how the food on a massive "for the masses" ship could be
"great,"


That's 'cause you've not been on a Disney cruise. You should have stopped right there.


Salmonbait

--
Hope you're having a spectacular day!



Yeah, and I don't frequent "all you can eat" cafeterias much, either.


That's great! I'm sure you've eaten only at the finest restaurants.


Salmonbait

--
Hope you're having a spectacular day!

J Herring March 16th 13 07:11 PM

Let's take a cruise, but only if we are constipated...
 
On Sat, 16 Mar 2013 14:13:03 -0400, Wayne B wrote:

On Sat, 16 Mar 2013 13:16:35 -0400, wrote:

We saw howler monkeys and birds I have
never seen anywhere else. It was certainly worth the $10 a head for
the boat ride.


====

In my (limited) experience with cruise ships it is important to take
advantage of the excursions even if they seem a little pricey. If
not, you'll end up seeing the same row of tourist trap junk shops that
you saw in the last port.

Just about the worst way of seeing the Caribbean is on a cruise ship
but that's all that a lot of people ever experience. We have
neighbors that couldn't believe we enjoyed Grenada three years ago
because all they saw was the area right around the dock, which leaves
a lot to be desired.


It's for sure the excursions add immensely to the trip. The problem is figuring out which to take!


Salmonbait

--
Hope you're having a spectacular day!

F.O.A.D. March 16th 13 07:16 PM

Let's take a cruise, but only if we are constipated...
 
J Herring wrote:
On Sat, 16 Mar 2013 13:43:24 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 3/16/13 1:27 PM, J Herring wrote:
On Sat, 16 Mar 2013 13:21:10 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 3/16/13 1:01 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 15 Mar 2013 12:22:00 -0700, Urin Asshole
wrote:

I heard the food is great though, but there are lots of obese people.

On a Carnival boat, the food is like you get at a Carnival, plenty of
it but not that great.
All I can say about the obese people is one of the "emergencies" is
that the elevators stopped working. There are 8-12 foot wide stair
cases throughout the ship but most of these lard asses are waiting for
the elevator, just to go up one deck.

We have a rule on a cruise, never use the elevator. There is too much
eating and not enough exercise the way it is.



I don't see how the food on a massive "for the masses" ship could be
"great,"

That's 'cause you've not been on a Disney cruise. You should have stopped right there.


Salmonbait

--
Hope you're having a spectacular day!



Yeah, and I don't frequent "all you can eat" cafeterias much, either.


That's great! I'm sure you've eaten only at the finest restaurants.


Salmonbait

--
Hope you're having a spectacular day!


Our favorite local restaurants are family owned and operated and are not
fancy...and don't serve cruise ship fare.

J Herring March 16th 13 08:16 PM

Let's take a cruise, but only if we are constipated...
 
On 16 Mar 2013 19:16:23 GMT, F.O.A.D. wrote:

J Herring wrote:
On Sat, 16 Mar 2013 13:43:24 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 3/16/13 1:27 PM, J Herring wrote:
On Sat, 16 Mar 2013 13:21:10 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 3/16/13 1:01 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 15 Mar 2013 12:22:00 -0700, Urin Asshole
wrote:

I heard the food is great though, but there are lots of obese people.

On a Carnival boat, the food is like you get at a Carnival, plenty of
it but not that great.
All I can say about the obese people is one of the "emergencies" is
that the elevators stopped working. There are 8-12 foot wide stair
cases throughout the ship but most of these lard asses are waiting for
the elevator, just to go up one deck.

We have a rule on a cruise, never use the elevator. There is too much
eating and not enough exercise the way it is.



I don't see how the food on a massive "for the masses" ship could be
"great,"

That's 'cause you've not been on a Disney cruise. You should have stopped right there.


Salmonbait

--
Hope you're having a spectacular day!



Yeah, and I don't frequent "all you can eat" cafeterias much, either.


That's great! I'm sure you've eaten only at the finest restaurants.


Salmonbait

--
Hope you're having a spectacular day!


Our favorite local restaurants are family owned and operated and are not
fancy...and don't serve cruise ship fare.


I can vouch for that, having eaten at many of your local restaurants!


Salmonbait

--
Hope you're having a spectacular day!

JustWaitAFrekinMinute March 16th 13 08:23 PM

Let's take a cruise, but only if we are constipated...
 
On 3/16/2013 1:14 PM, J Herring wrote:
On Sat, 16 Mar 2013 12:17:47 -0400, Meyer wrote:

On 3/16/2013 11:01 AM, J Herring wrote:
On Sat, 16 Mar 2013 09:50:01 -0400, Gogarty wrote:

In article ,
says...


I could see a smaller boat up in Alaska or maybe one of those bigger
sailboats that take 50 people down in the Carib.

I heard the food is great though, but there are lots of obese people.

The smaller ships in the Caribbean have disappeared. Company went belly up.
There is the Mystic Whaler out of New London. We did that more than 30 years
ago. Find a book entitled "Cruises and Cruse Ships." On our Christmas cruise
the food was great. We had a table for two. There were 1,000 children aboard.
Lots of fat people. Not in general a classy lot. But so what? Pay mre, get
more class. We are now looking at a July 4 cruise on the Queen Mary 2 to
Halifax and back.

Of course we would rather still have our own boat in which we ranged the
coast from Annapolis to Plymouth.

That July 4 cruise sounds like fun. We almost did that trip last fall, from New York to Halifax with
stops in between to 'see the leaves'. It would have been on one of the Disney ships. Great food!


Salmonbait

--
Hope you're having a spectacular day!

Are you required to go ashore in Halifax, or is it permissible to stay
aboard ship and enjoy the amenities while admiring the waterfront?


No requirement to go ashore. The food would be much better on board anyway!


Salmonbait

--
Hope you're having a spectacular day!


As would the smell and the company...

F.O.A.D. March 16th 13 08:42 PM

Let's take a cruise, but only if we are constipated...
 
On 3/16/13 4:16 PM, J Herring wrote:
On 16 Mar 2013 19:16:23 GMT, F.O.A.D. wrote:

J Herring wrote:
On Sat, 16 Mar 2013 13:43:24 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 3/16/13 1:27 PM, J Herring wrote:
On Sat, 16 Mar 2013 13:21:10 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 3/16/13 1:01 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 15 Mar 2013 12:22:00 -0700, Urin Asshole
wrote:

I heard the food is great though, but there are lots of obese people.

On a Carnival boat, the food is like you get at a Carnival, plenty of
it but not that great.
All I can say about the obese people is one of the "emergencies" is
that the elevators stopped working. There are 8-12 foot wide stair
cases throughout the ship but most of these lard asses are waiting for
the elevator, just to go up one deck.

We have a rule on a cruise, never use the elevator. There is too much
eating and not enough exercise the way it is.



I don't see how the food on a massive "for the masses" ship could be
"great,"

That's 'cause you've not been on a Disney cruise. You should have stopped right there.


Salmonbait

--
Hope you're having a spectacular day!



Yeah, and I don't frequent "all you can eat" cafeterias much, either.

That's great! I'm sure you've eaten only at the finest restaurants.


Salmonbait

--
Hope you're having a spectacular day!


Our favorite local restaurants are family owned and operated and are not
fancy...and don't serve cruise ship fare.


I can vouch for that, having eaten at many of your local restaurants!


Salmonbait

--
Hope you're having a spectacular day!


You should try:

Jerry's for seafood, just south of P.F. on the right hand side, next to,
of all places, a tire store.

Mexico, just north of P.F., also on the right hand side, very good
Mexican food, and where I usually have my oversized once a year margarita.

Mama Lucia, in Dunkirk and in P.F., has great pizza and many other very
good homemade Italian dishes. Most of the waitresses in the P.F.
restaurant are astonishingly beautiful. If were a young man, I hang out
there and try to date them all.

Meyer[_2_] March 16th 13 09:37 PM

Let's take a cruise, but only if we are constipated...
 
On 3/16/2013 3:10 PM, J Herring wrote:
On Sat, 16 Mar 2013 13:43:24 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 3/16/13 1:27 PM, J Herring wrote:
On Sat, 16 Mar 2013 13:21:10 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 3/16/13 1:01 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 15 Mar 2013 12:22:00 -0700, Urin Asshole
wrote:

I heard the food is great though, but there are lots of obese people.

On a Carnival boat, the food is like you get at a Carnival, plenty of
it but not that great.
All I can say about the obese people is one of the "emergencies" is
that the elevators stopped working. There are 8-12 foot wide stair
cases throughout the ship but most of these lard asses are waiting for
the elevator, just to go up one deck.

We have a rule on a cruise, never use the elevator. There is too much
eating and not enough exercise the way it is.



I don't see how the food on a massive "for the masses" ship could be
"great,"

That's 'cause you've not been on a Disney cruise. You should have stopped right there.


Salmonbait

--
Hope you're having a spectacular day!



Yeah, and I don't frequent "all you can eat" cafeterias much, either.


That's great! I'm sure you've eaten only at the finest restaurants.


Salmonbait

--
Hope you're having a spectacular day!

If he can pronounce it he won't eat it. What a snob.


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