On Sun, 17 Mar 2013 21:15:08 -0500, amdx
wrote:

On 3/14/2013 9:52 PM, Urin Asshole wrote:
On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 20:35:51 -0400, Wayne B
wrote:

On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 12:09:12 -0500, Boating All Out
wrote:

Those "lifetime earnings" stats don't account for kids who paid up for
college but didn't succeed. They end up dropping out before they
finish, or finish and end up working at Starbucks.

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Not everyone who drops out of college ends up in a dead end job.
Take a look at Bill Gates and Steve Jobs for two notable examples.
There are lots more.

That's true, but those who don't go are much more likely to earn many
thousands less over their lifetime. More true now than ever. Even four
years is just the minimum now.

Unless you start a business.
Mikek

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Or work your way up the organization from an entry level job, i.e.,
the old fashioned way. The demand for certain technical skills is so
high that any experience at all can get your foot in the door. Once
hired, job performance counts a lot more than education. I've
encountered a surprising number of well educated individuals who just
could not apply their knowledge effectively in a work environment.
Being able to apply what you know, recognizing opportunities and
acting on them in a timely manner is what gets people ahead. There
are also a lot of opportunities in some of the difficult, dirty, blue
collar areas like refrigeration, air conditioning, plumbing, diesel
mechanics, commercial electricians, etc. Those jobs are physically
demanding and require a fair amount of skill but they pay very well
and can lead to having your own business.

On Sun, 17 Mar 2013 23:19:08 -0400, Wayne B
wrote:

On Sun, 17 Mar 2013 21:15:08 -0500, amdx
wrote:

On 3/14/2013 9:52 PM, Urin Asshole wrote:
On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 20:35:51 -0400, Wayne B
wrote:

On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 12:09:12 -0500, Boating All Out
wrote:

Those "lifetime earnings" stats don't account for kids who paid up for
college but didn't succeed. They end up dropping out before they
finish, or finish and end up working at Starbucks.

====

Not everyone who drops out of college ends up in a dead end job.
Take a look at Bill Gates and Steve Jobs for two notable examples.
There are lots more.

That's true, but those who don't go are much more likely to earn many
thousands less over their lifetime. More true now than ever. Even four
years is just the minimum now.

Unless you start a business.
Mikek

====

Or work your way up the organization from an entry level job, i.e.,
the old fashioned way. The demand for certain technical skills is so
high that any experience at all can get your foot in the door. Once
hired, job performance counts a lot more than education. I've
encountered a surprising number of well educated individuals who just
could not apply their knowledge effectively in a work environment.
Being able to apply what you know, recognizing opportunities and
acting on them in a timely manner is what gets people ahead. There
are also a lot of opportunities in some of the difficult, dirty, blue
collar areas like refrigeration, air conditioning, plumbing, diesel
mechanics, commercial electricians, etc. Those jobs are physically
demanding and require a fair amount of skill but they pay very well
and can lead to having your own business.

Yeah, it's all about the money, then when a new techology comes
around, you can kiss that job goodbye.

Yeah, it's all about the money, then when a new techology comes
around, you can kiss that job goodbye.

===

This is not a new thing. Talk to the buggy whip manufacturers, wagon
wheel makers, blacksmiths, vacuum tube makers, Kodak film developers,
etc.

The time are always a-changein.

In article ,
says...

Yeah, it's all about the money, then when a new techology comes
around, you can kiss that job goodbye.

===

This is not a new thing. Talk to the buggy whip manufacturers, wagon
wheel makers, blacksmiths, vacuum tube makers, Kodak film developers,
etc.

The time are always a-changein.

Exactly, continuing education is a MUST in most professions. In a lot of
professions, it's the law.

In article ,
says...

In article ,
says...

Yeah, it's all about the money, then when a new techology comes
around, you can kiss that job goodbye.

===

This is not a new thing. Talk to the buggy whip manufacturers, wagon
wheel makers, blacksmiths, vacuum tube makers, Kodak film developers,
etc.

The time are always a-changein.

Exactly, continuing education is a MUST in most professions. In a lot of
professions, it's the law.

Just because you have a job in a specific field doesn't mean that you
will be able to stay in the field your entire career.

On Mon, 18 Mar 2013 18:27:01 -0400, BAR wrote:

In article ,
says...

In article ,
says...

Yeah, it's all about the money, then when a new techology comes
around, you can kiss that job goodbye.

===

This is not a new thing. Talk to the buggy whip manufacturers, wagon
wheel makers, blacksmiths, vacuum tube makers, Kodak film developers,
etc.

The time are always a-changein.

Exactly, continuing education is a MUST in most professions. In a lot of
professions, it's the law.

Just because you have a job in a specific field doesn't mean that you
will be able to stay in the field your entire career.

I agree completely. So, no point in have a broad education. Might as
well focus on one thing.

On 3/18/2013 1:11 PM, Wayne B wrote:

Yeah, it's all about the money, then when a new techology comes
around, you can kiss that job goodbye.

===

This is not a new thing. Talk to the buggy whip manufacturers, wagon
wheel makers, blacksmiths, vacuum tube makers, Kodak film developers,
etc.

The time are always a-changein.


Yup, I am watching an old school photographer move with the times. From
film, to digital, and now to camera phone covers and anything else you
can print a digitally altered photo on cause this generation just
doesn't want a beautiful wall hanging, it's just gotta' look good on a
two inch screen and sound good with cheap ear buds...

In article ,
says...

On 3/18/2013 1:11 PM, Wayne B wrote:

Yeah, it's all about the money, then when a new techology comes
around, you can kiss that job goodbye.

===

This is not a new thing. Talk to the buggy whip manufacturers, wagon
wheel makers, blacksmiths, vacuum tube makers, Kodak film developers,
etc.

The time are always a-changein.


Yup, I am watching an old school photographer move with the times. From
film, to digital, and now to camera phone covers and anything else you
can print a digitally altered photo on cause this generation just
doesn't want a beautiful wall hanging, it's just gotta' look good on a
two inch screen and sound good with cheap ear buds...

Oh, boy, that's so stupid and untrue on so many levels....

On Mon, 18 Mar 2013 01:56:54 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 17 Mar 2013 22:25:59 -0700, Urin Asshole
wrote:

On Sun, 17 Mar 2013 23:19:08 -0400, Wayne B
wrote:



Or work your way up the organization from an entry level job, i.e.,
the old fashioned way. The demand for certain technical skills is so
high that any experience at all can get your foot in the door. Once
hired, job performance counts a lot more than education. I've
encountered a surprising number of well educated individuals who just
could not apply their knowledge effectively in a work environment.
Being able to apply what you know, recognizing opportunities and
acting on them in a timely manner is what gets people ahead. There
are also a lot of opportunities in some of the difficult, dirty, blue
collar areas like refrigeration, air conditioning, plumbing, diesel
mechanics, commercial electricians, etc. Those jobs are physically
demanding and require a fair amount of skill but they pay very well
and can lead to having your own business.

Yeah, it's all about the money, then when a new techology comes
around, you can kiss that job goodbye.

Technology has not removed the need for people to wire houses, float
drywall and lay bricks.
Anyone who can fix engines in boats will always have work.

Yeah, there'll be so much demand for that why we can fuel our entire
future and compete with the rest of the world by fixing some engines,
wiring houses and laying bricks. Good god. Grow up.

On Mon, 18 Mar 2013 13:40:11 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 18 Mar 2013 10:02:10 -0700, Urin Asshole
wrote:

On Mon, 18 Mar 2013 01:56:54 -0400, wrote:


Technology has not removed the need for people to wire houses, float
drywall and lay bricks.
Anyone who can fix engines in boats will always have work.

Yeah, there'll be so much demand for that why we can fuel our entire
future and compete with the rest of the world by fixing some engines,
wiring houses and laying bricks. Good god. Grow up.

Those are jobs that can't be exported.
Marissa Mayer did her employees a favor by making them show up at the
office. If she was willing to admit those jobs could be phoned in from
home, that home could be in India.

So what? We need a knowledge workforce not drones.