On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 13:26:32 -0400, J Herring
wrote:

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 10:21:26 -0700, jps wrote:

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 12:43:46 -0400, J Herring
wrote:

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 09:07:37 -0700, jps wrote:



A 14-year-old student at a Christian academy in Washington state has
been charged with attempted murder for allegedly shooting both of his

Thank God Muslims, Jews, and Secular Progressive Liberals never engage in such behavior!


Salmonbait

Attending a religiious school, you'd expect that experience and the
religious following of his parents to impart some basic values.

This kid hadn't developed enough sense to understand that killing his
parents would not lead to more freedom and time on his xbox.

He'll have time alright, not so much freedom.

And WTF is up with being able to pry the gun storage open?

And from where do those without the benefit of a religious upbringing acquire their basic values?

(Be careful now. You're about to step in it.)


Salmonbait

From their parents and extended family. We home school our kids in
moral and ethical values. Personal responsibility, eh?

On 3/13/2013 2:14 PM, jps wrote:
On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 13:26:32 -0400, J Herring
wrote:

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 10:21:26 -0700, jps wrote:

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 12:43:46 -0400, J Herring
wrote:

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 09:07:37 -0700, jps wrote:



A 14-year-old student at a Christian academy in Washington state has
been charged with attempted murder for allegedly shooting both of his

Thank God Muslims, Jews, and Secular Progressive Liberals never engage in such behavior!


Salmonbait

Attending a religiious school, you'd expect that experience and the
religious following of his parents to impart some basic values.

This kid hadn't developed enough sense to understand that killing his
parents would not lead to more freedom and time on his xbox.

He'll have time alright, not so much freedom.

And WTF is up with being able to pry the gun storage open?

And from where do those without the benefit of a religious upbringing acquire their basic values?

(Be careful now. You're about to step in it.)


Salmonbait

From their parents and extended family. We home school our kids in
moral and ethical values. Personal responsibility, eh?


God help the poor little buggers.

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 15:02:23 -0400, Meyer wrote:

On 3/13/2013 2:14 PM, jps wrote:
On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 13:26:32 -0400, J Herring
wrote:

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 10:21:26 -0700, jps wrote:

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 12:43:46 -0400, J Herring
wrote:

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 09:07:37 -0700, jps wrote:



A 14-year-old student at a Christian academy in Washington state has
been charged with attempted murder for allegedly shooting both of his

Thank God Muslims, Jews, and Secular Progressive Liberals never engage in such behavior!


Salmonbait

Attending a religiious school, you'd expect that experience and the
religious following of his parents to impart some basic values.

This kid hadn't developed enough sense to understand that killing his
parents would not lead to more freedom and time on his xbox.

He'll have time alright, not so much freedom.

And WTF is up with being able to pry the gun storage open?

And from where do those without the benefit of a religious upbringing acquire their basic values?

(Be careful now. You're about to step in it.)


Salmonbait

From their parents and extended family. We home school our kids in
moral and ethical values. Personal responsibility, eh?


God help the poor little buggers.

They're fine. As teenagers, they demonstrate more intelligence and
maturity than most of the wingers in rec.boats. Bright futures for
both.

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 11:14:37 -0700, jps wrote:

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 13:26:32 -0400, J Herring
wrote:

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 10:21:26 -0700, jps wrote:

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 12:43:46 -0400, J Herring
wrote:

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 09:07:37 -0700, jps wrote:



A 14-year-old student at a Christian academy in Washington state has
been charged with attempted murder for allegedly shooting both of his

Thank God Muslims, Jews, and Secular Progressive Liberals never engage in such behavior!


Salmonbait

Attending a religiious school, you'd expect that experience and the
religious following of his parents to impart some basic values.

This kid hadn't developed enough sense to understand that killing his
parents would not lead to more freedom and time on his xbox.

He'll have time alright, not so much freedom.

And WTF is up with being able to pry the gun storage open?

And from where do those without the benefit of a religious upbringing acquire their basic values?

(Be careful now. You're about to step in it.)


Salmonbait

From their parents and extended family. We home school our kids in
moral and ethical values. Personal responsibility, eh?

Thank you. You made my point.


Salmonbait

--
Hope you're having a spectacular day!

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 15:32:59 -0400, J Herring
wrote:

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 11:14:37 -0700, jps wrote:

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 13:26:32 -0400, J Herring
wrote:

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 10:21:26 -0700, jps wrote:

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 12:43:46 -0400, J Herring
wrote:

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 09:07:37 -0700, jps wrote:



A 14-year-old student at a Christian academy in Washington state has
been charged with attempted murder for allegedly shooting both of his

Thank God Muslims, Jews, and Secular Progressive Liberals never engage in such behavior!


Salmonbait

Attending a religiious school, you'd expect that experience and the
religious following of his parents to impart some basic values.

This kid hadn't developed enough sense to understand that killing his
parents would not lead to more freedom and time on his xbox.

He'll have time alright, not so much freedom.

And WTF is up with being able to pry the gun storage open?

And from where do those without the benefit of a religious upbringing acquire their basic values?

(Be careful now. You're about to step in it.)


Salmonbait

From their parents and extended family. We home school our kids in
moral and ethical values. Personal responsibility, eh?

Thank you. You made my point.

Who gives a **** about your point. My point is that you can't
outsource moral training for your kids. Too many religious people
just expect their kids to get it based on the family's commitment to a
church or religious school.

Sorry, morals come from observing your parents in action and how they
react to their child's behavior.

"jps" wrote in message
...

Sorry, morals come from observing your parents in action and how they
react to their child's behavior.

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Yesterday, while in line at the supermarket, I was watching the antics
of a kid and his father who were checking out ahead of me.
I'd say the kid was about 8 or 9 years old and the father appeared to
be in his mid 30's.

The kid was a wise-assed brat. He was climbing up on the carts,
ignoring his father's gentle pleading to get down. In defiance the
brat climbed higher on the cart, glared at the father and said, "I
don't like you, and you can't tell me what to do".

The father continued to gently debate with the little brat, softly
asking him to get down. The kid refused. Finally the father bribed
the little brat with a promise to allow him to watch something on TV
when they got home.

The cashier was an older person (like me) in her 60's. We both stood
there in amazement watching the modern father negotiate with his
little brat.

My wife and I raised two boys and a girl. I disciplined the boys.
Mrs. E. took care of the daughter, mainly because the daughter scared
the bananas out of me. If either or both of the boys had ever acted
like the brat I witnessed in the store, they wouldn't be watching TV
sitting down for a while.
Of course, now-a-days, I'd probably go to jail.

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 16:57:31 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:



"jps" wrote in message
.. .

Sorry, morals come from observing your parents in action and how they
react to their child's behavior.

---------------------------------------------------

Yesterday, while in line at the supermarket, I was watching the antics
of a kid and his father who were checking out ahead of me.
I'd say the kid was about 8 or 9 years old and the father appeared to
be in his mid 30's.

The kid was a wise-assed brat. He was climbing up on the carts,
ignoring his father's gentle pleading to get down. In defiance the
brat climbed higher on the cart, glared at the father and said, "I
don't like you, and you can't tell me what to do".

The father continued to gently debate with the little brat, softly
asking him to get down. The kid refused. Finally the father bribed
the little brat with a promise to allow him to watch something on TV
when they got home.

The cashier was an older person (like me) in her 60's. We both stood
there in amazement watching the modern father negotiate with his
little brat.

My wife and I raised two boys and a girl. I disciplined the boys.
Mrs. E. took care of the daughter, mainly because the daughter scared
the bananas out of me. If either or both of the boys had ever acted
like the brat I witnessed in the store, they wouldn't be watching TV
sitting down for a while.
Of course, now-a-days, I'd probably go to jail.

YMML. Totally agree. That flaccid parenting drives me crazy.

Too many parents these days can't wait to praise their little brats
for the slightest victory. The NW is based in a more traditional
culture. Very influenced by Teutonic and Scandinavian roots.

Daughters are best dealt with by mothers, for only women truly
understand the nature of hormones. Scary stuff.

"jps" wrote in message
...

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 16:57:31 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:



"jps" wrote in message
.. .

Sorry, morals come from observing your parents in action and how they
react to their child's behavior.

---------------------------------------------------

Yesterday, while in line at the supermarket, I was watching the
antics
of a kid and his father who were checking out ahead of me.
I'd say the kid was about 8 or 9 years old and the father appeared to
be in his mid 30's.

The kid was a wise-assed brat. He was climbing up on the carts,
ignoring his father's gentle pleading to get down. In defiance the
brat climbed higher on the cart, glared at the father and said, "I
don't like you, and you can't tell me what to do".

The father continued to gently debate with the little brat, softly
asking him to get down. The kid refused. Finally the father bribed
the little brat with a promise to allow him to watch something on TV
when they got home.

The cashier was an older person (like me) in her 60's. We both
stood
there in amazement watching the modern father negotiate with his
little brat.

My wife and I raised two boys and a girl. I disciplined the boys.
Mrs. E. took care of the daughter, mainly because the daughter scared
the bananas out of me. If either or both of the boys had ever acted
like the brat I witnessed in the store, they wouldn't be watching TV
sitting down for a while.
Of course, now-a-days, I'd probably go to jail.

YMML. Totally agree. That flaccid parenting drives me crazy.

Too many parents these days can't wait to praise their little brats
for the slightest victory. The NW is based in a more traditional
culture. Very influenced by Teutonic and Scandinavian roots.

Daughters are best dealt with by mothers, for only women truly
understand the nature of hormones. Scary stuff.

----------------------------------------------

My father was first generation American of Swedish and Norwegian
parents. (Grandfather came over on the boat from Sweden, Grandmother
from Norway). I know the Scandinavian culture well. My Dad was a
great guy, loved his kids, but at 6'5" and 230 lbs, you didn't want to
**** him off.

On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 07:00:33 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:



"jps" wrote in message
.. .

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 16:57:31 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:



"jps" wrote in message
. ..

Sorry, morals come from observing your parents in action and how they
react to their child's behavior.

---------------------------------------------------

Yesterday, while in line at the supermarket, I was watching the
antics
of a kid and his father who were checking out ahead of me.
I'd say the kid was about 8 or 9 years old and the father appeared to
be in his mid 30's.

The kid was a wise-assed brat. He was climbing up on the carts,
ignoring his father's gentle pleading to get down. In defiance the
brat climbed higher on the cart, glared at the father and said, "I
don't like you, and you can't tell me what to do".

The father continued to gently debate with the little brat, softly
asking him to get down. The kid refused. Finally the father bribed
the little brat with a promise to allow him to watch something on TV
when they got home.

The cashier was an older person (like me) in her 60's. We both
stood
there in amazement watching the modern father negotiate with his
little brat.

My wife and I raised two boys and a girl. I disciplined the boys.
Mrs. E. took care of the daughter, mainly because the daughter scared
the bananas out of me. If either or both of the boys had ever acted
like the brat I witnessed in the store, they wouldn't be watching TV
sitting down for a while.
Of course, now-a-days, I'd probably go to jail.

YMML. Totally agree. That flaccid parenting drives me crazy.

Too many parents these days can't wait to praise their little brats
for the slightest victory. The NW is based in a more traditional
culture. Very influenced by Teutonic and Scandinavian roots.

Daughters are best dealt with by mothers, for only women truly
understand the nature of hormones. Scary stuff.

----------------------------------------------

My father was first generation American of Swedish and Norwegian
parents. (Grandfather came over on the boat from Sweden, Grandmother
from Norway). I know the Scandinavian culture well. My Dad was a
great guy, loved his kids, but at 6'5" and 230 lbs, you didn't want to
**** him off.

****. My pop was 5'4" and maybe 170. You didn't wantto **** him off
either. Arms like steel from working in a machine shop all his life. I
watched him toss 50 lb anvils around like loaves of bread. Finally got
a hernia from moving a 55 gallon drum of oil by himself. They put mesh
in and it didn't slow him that much.

In article ,
says...

"jps" wrote in message
...

Sorry, morals come from observing your parents in action and how they
react to their child's behavior.

---------------------------------------------------

Yesterday, while in line at the supermarket, I was watching the antics
of a kid and his father who were checking out ahead of me.
I'd say the kid was about 8 or 9 years old and the father appeared to
be in his mid 30's.

The kid was a wise-assed brat. He was climbing up on the carts,
ignoring his father's gentle pleading to get down. In defiance the
brat climbed higher on the cart, glared at the father and said, "I
don't like you, and you can't tell me what to do".

The father continued to gently debate with the little brat, softly
asking him to get down. The kid refused. Finally the father bribed
the little brat with a promise to allow him to watch something on TV
when they got home.

The cashier was an older person (like me) in her 60's. We both stood
there in amazement watching the modern father negotiate with his
little brat.

My wife and I raised two boys and a girl. I disciplined the boys.
Mrs. E. took care of the daughter, mainly because the daughter scared
the bananas out of me. If either or both of the boys had ever acted
like the brat I witnessed in the store, they wouldn't be watching TV
sitting down for a while.
Of course, now-a-days, I'd probably go to jail.

Yes, indeed. Much like an animal (I'm not saying that in a bad way) a
kid must be disciplined as soon as possible after the offense so that
it's absolutely sure why the kid is being punished. My sister's boy was
probably 3 or so, and they were in Target, the kid wanted something on
the shelf, she said no, he started throwing a tantrum, when she asked
him to stop or she'd take him home. Now most parent's that would be an
idle threat, they aren't going anywhere until they shopping is done. The
kids learn that. Well, he didn't stop, she yanked him out of the cart,
put him under her arm like a sack of potatoes, screaming and kicking,
right out the door, into the car, home. As far as I know, he hasn't done
that since.