On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 18:25:03 -0500, amdx
wrote:

On 3/13/2013 6:10 PM, Urin Asshole wrote:
On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 16:14:22 -0500, amdx wrote:

On 3/11/2013 9:02 PM, Urin Asshole wrote:
On Mon, 11 Mar 2013 20:07:39 -0500, amdx
wrote:

On 3/11/2013 7:51 PM, jps wrote:
On Mon, 11 Mar 2013 19:59:44 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 11 Mar 2013 12:10:12 -0700, jps wrote:

Military and health care costs have spiraled out of control because no
one wants to appear anti-defense or take on the huge $ in pharma,
non-profit (cough, cough) hospitals, nor face the wrath of their
campaign finance coffers.

Medicine spends about 4 times as much lobby money into our politicians
as the military industrial complex.

That says where the $ is, doesn't it. Is there no end to Americans
being shaken down for the enrichment of the wealthy?


Is there no end to hard working taxpayers being shaken down for the
enrichment of those who would rather while away the time until the first
of the month to come around so they can get their benefits.

Mikek

Sure. That's the heart of the problem. Not the billions spent by the
big corporations trying to get every last dime out of some guy who can
barely feed his family. You're really either stupid or a ****.

I think corporations are at least as smart as Willie Sutton. They are
more likely to target those with money.

They're in a commodity business... 4 billion hamburgs sold. You think
McD's is tarketing Ronmey lookalikes? If so, you're pretty ****ing
stupid.

I don't get people living in the land of plenty and having such a
problem surviving let alone thriving. I've seen immigrants arrive here
not speaking the language and have assets over a million dollars in
twenty years.

Yeah, you don't get it. Most immigrants end up picking veggies in the
fields for less than minimum wage, with no health insurance, and have
to hide in the shadows. Or, they work in a meat packing family until
either they're hurt of can't stand it any more. The immigrants that
you're talking about typically have some sort of support network when
they arrive, like Indians.

North Korea doesn't have those evil corporations, need a plane ticket?
Mikek

I think I'd be happy to chip in on one for you.

PS.
The grim suggestion that North Koreans are turning to cannibalism were
reported by the Asia Press, and published in the Sunday Times.

They claim a 'hidden famine' in the farming provinces of North and South
Hwanghae has killed 10,000 people, and there are fears that cannibalism
is spreading throughout the country.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...s-8468781.html


So? What the **** does that have to do with medical costs? You ****ing
slimeball.

Capitalism and our Constitution built one of the highest standards of
living. North Korea's one party socialism one of lowest.
You lose when I make you mad. Or are you smiling when you write,
"****ing slimeball". :-)
Mikek

Regulated capitalism and unions, along with some visionary thought
built this country. NK won't be around that much longer.

I smile when you identify yourself as a slimeball. :-))

On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 16:53:47 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 10:28:02 -0700, Urin Asshole
wrote:

On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 11:39:52 -0400, wrote:


It is simply the full retail price they can charge and they make that
a ridiculously high number, like that card on a hotel door. Only a
moron actually pays that much

They can charge anything they want. It has no basis in reality. It's a
made up number. Read the article. You've said hotel room door. What
the **** does that have to do with a do or die price?

All prices are a made up number.




Really? So, I guess capitalism is invalid. You know exactly what I'm
talking about.

Cost of buying something for the hospital is say $10. They add
infrastructure of $1. They want to make a profit. So they add $300.
That's completely bull**** right there. Then, they create chargemaster
to legitimize the market up and "negotiate" with people without enough
insurance and drop the cost to $150.

For Medicare, they won't pay more than say $20. Oh what a bummer. The
hospital only made a 200% profit.

Almost forgot: ****

On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 16:54:43 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 10:29:18 -0700, Urin Asshole
wrote:

On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 11:55:17 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 08:40:55 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...


That blanket is thrown away. I bought one last month and they told me
I could take it home if I wanted.
I agree the prices are inflated. Brill points out several reasons why.

No, it's not. Yes, you could take it home, but hospital soft goods are
washed and re-used.



The blanket they charge you for comes in a factory sealed bag and once
the bag is opened, they throw it away. These are typically OR supplies
and with the number of infections they get sued for they are not
taking chances. That was straight from the OR nurse who sold me the
blanket.

The OR nurse did "sell" you the blanket. They don't sell anything
except their expert services to the hospital.

When she cut open that bag I "bought" the blanket.

Did you have a choice? Could you negotiate the price or did she just
open it and you were stuck? Yeah, that's what I thought.

On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 22:38:53 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 17:10:42 -0700, Urin Asshole
wrote:

On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 16:53:47 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 10:28:02 -0700, Urin Asshole
wrote:

On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 11:39:52 -0400, wrote:


It is simply the full retail price they can charge and they make that
a ridiculously high number, like that card on a hotel door. Only a
moron actually pays that much

They can charge anything they want. It has no basis in reality. It's a
made up number. Read the article. You've said hotel room door. What
the **** does that have to do with a do or die price?

All prices are a made up number.




Really? So, I guess capitalism is invalid. You know exactly what I'm
talking about.

Cost of buying something for the hospital is say $10. They add
infrastructure of $1. They want to make a profit. So they add $300.
That's completely bull**** right there. Then, they create chargemaster
to legitimize the market up and "negotiate" with people without enough
insurance and drop the cost to $150.

For Medicare, they won't pay more than say $20. Oh what a bummer. The
hospital only made a 200% profit.

Almost forgot: ****

You certainly know **** but the rest of life seems to baffle you.

Where was the allowance in your bookkeeping for non paying patients
that come in the ER?

I know how to **** if that's what you mean. Apparently you're pretty
baffled or maybe you just need a high colonic.

The allowance was accounted for in Brills examination. As I said,
you're pulling this "gotta make a profit" bull**** outta your butt.

On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 22:45:26 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 17:11:38 -0700, Urin Asshole
wrote:

On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 16:54:43 -0400, wrote:

When she cut open that bag I "bought" the blanket.

Did you have a choice? Could you negotiate the price or did she just
open it and you were stuck? Yeah, that's what I thought.

I didn't ask for the blanket and I didn't even want it but it was
given to me and "stuck" on my bill.
I also did not really have standing to argue about it because the
insurance paid (no doubt a lot less than $30).

BTW for those who say the answer is "government medicine" I should
point out this is a government owned and operated hospital with
elected directors
.

So, you didn't have a choice. As I said, you don't care because your
"insruance" paid. So, you're a big part of the problem.

VA? So? At least they can negotiate prices for drugs. Unlike Medicare.

On Fri, 15 Mar 2013 11:01:05 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 20:03:07 -0700, Urin Asshole
wrote:

On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 22:45:26 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 17:11:38 -0700, Urin Asshole
wrote:

On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 16:54:43 -0400, wrote:

When she cut open that bag I "bought" the blanket.

Did you have a choice? Could you negotiate the price or did she just
open it and you were stuck? Yeah, that's what I thought.

I didn't ask for the blanket and I didn't even want it but it was
given to me and "stuck" on my bill.
I also did not really have standing to argue about it because the
insurance paid (no doubt a lot less than $30).

BTW for those who say the answer is "government medicine" I should
point out this is a government owned and operated hospital with
elected directors
.

So, you didn't have a choice. As I said, you don't care because your
"insruance" paid. So, you're a big part of the problem.

I have been saying all along, insurance is a big part of the problem.
It isolates the patient from the bill.

That's right. The problem is that the "bill" is made up nonsense. If
you're an insurance company you can claim you're getting the patient a
good deal. The answer is not to transfer the made up cost to the
patient and have them "negotiate" when they're in the ER. The only way
to stop this nonsense if for government intervention. It's not a free
market system anyway so why pretend? Oh except if you're making 2000%
profit or some such bs.

VA? So? At least they can negotiate prices for drugs. Unlike Medicare.

County owned hospital, a virtual monopoly here.

Thus, you have no choice.

In article ,
says...

On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 20:03:07 -0700, Urin Asshole
wrote:

On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 22:45:26 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 17:11:38 -0700, Urin Asshole
wrote:

On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 16:54:43 -0400, wrote:

When she cut open that bag I "bought" the blanket.

Did you have a choice? Could you negotiate the price or did she just
open it and you were stuck? Yeah, that's what I thought.

I didn't ask for the blanket and I didn't even want it but it was
given to me and "stuck" on my bill.
I also did not really have standing to argue about it because the
insurance paid (no doubt a lot less than $30).

BTW for those who say the answer is "government medicine" I should
point out this is a government owned and operated hospital with
elected directors
.

So, you didn't have a choice. As I said, you don't care because your
"insruance" paid. So, you're a big part of the problem.

I have been saying all along, insurance is a big part of the problem.
It isolates the patient from the bill.

I can hear the sound of your head each time it hits the wall.

Most people understand the problem but, Urin-ing-in-his-pants doesn't
want to solve the problem, he just wants the issue.

VA? So? At least they can negotiate prices for drugs. Unlike Medicare.

County owned hospital, a virtual monopoly here.