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On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 16:53:47 -0400, wrote:
On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 10:28:02 -0700, Urin Asshole wrote: On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 11:39:52 -0400, wrote: It is simply the full retail price they can charge and they make that a ridiculously high number, like that card on a hotel door. Only a moron actually pays that much They can charge anything they want. It has no basis in reality. It's a made up number. Read the article. You've said hotel room door. What the **** does that have to do with a do or die price? All prices are a made up number. Really? So, I guess capitalism is invalid. You know exactly what I'm talking about. Cost of buying something for the hospital is say $10. They add infrastructure of $1. They want to make a profit. So they add $300. That's completely bull**** right there. Then, they create chargemaster to legitimize the market up and "negotiate" with people without enough insurance and drop the cost to $150. For Medicare, they won't pay more than say $20. Oh what a bummer. The hospital only made a 200% profit. Almost forgot: **** |
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On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 22:38:53 -0400, wrote:
On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 17:10:42 -0700, Urin Asshole wrote: On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 16:53:47 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 10:28:02 -0700, Urin Asshole wrote: On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 11:39:52 -0400, wrote: It is simply the full retail price they can charge and they make that a ridiculously high number, like that card on a hotel door. Only a moron actually pays that much They can charge anything they want. It has no basis in reality. It's a made up number. Read the article. You've said hotel room door. What the **** does that have to do with a do or die price? All prices are a made up number. Really? So, I guess capitalism is invalid. You know exactly what I'm talking about. Cost of buying something for the hospital is say $10. They add infrastructure of $1. They want to make a profit. So they add $300. That's completely bull**** right there. Then, they create chargemaster to legitimize the market up and "negotiate" with people without enough insurance and drop the cost to $150. For Medicare, they won't pay more than say $20. Oh what a bummer. The hospital only made a 200% profit. Almost forgot: **** You certainly know **** but the rest of life seems to baffle you. Where was the allowance in your bookkeeping for non paying patients that come in the ER? I know how to **** if that's what you mean. Apparently you're pretty baffled or maybe you just need a high colonic. The allowance was accounted for in Brills examination. As I said, you're pulling this "gotta make a profit" bull**** outta your butt. |
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On 3/14/2013 11:39 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 14:05:35 -0700, Urin Asshole wrote: On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 14:48:19 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 12:39:55 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Tue, 12 Mar 2013 23:02:08 -0700, Urin Asshole wrote: The "medicare underpayments" are still OVER what the actual costs are, and since medicare CANT negotiate, those costs can't be lower. That would be a good first fix. Maybe you are one of those Venus Project people who think we should do away with money but as long as we have money, you need to pay more than "cost" just to keep the wheels of commerce turning. "Cost" for the MRI, still does not pay for keeping the building running. At a certain point you are cutting the pay and benefits for the workers who do that. I agree they over use tests but as long as we have lawyers picking apart every bad outcome, doctors are going to test everything they think might insulate them from liability. So.... You are okay with your insurance being charged $30.00 for a Tylenol? $25.00 for a blanket which is used and washed to be re-used over and over and can be bought online for $5.00? You do realize these VERY excessive costs trickle down to the consumer, right? I already said, most of that $30 is bureaucratic red tape to avoid liability. Just cause you said it doesn't make it a fact. It's bull****. Read the article. That blanket is thrown away. I bought one last month and they told me I could take it home if I wanted. I agree the prices are inflated. Brill points out several reasons why. Yet, you just said it was "bureaucratic". So, bull****. I know you hate it when I actually have knowledge but my first wife was a hospital administrator. I have already said the Charge Master should be a public record so people will know what the prices are. They should also publish what the various negotiated or Medicare capped prices are. And I said it should be outlawed. What the **** is it for? It's a funny number designed to rip people off. It is simply the full retail price they can charge and they make that a ridiculously high number, like that card on a hotel door. Only a moron actually pays that much There is nothing in this boondoggle that a little sunshine would not help. The main problem is that the customer is usually totally ignorant of what the price is that they pay. Most people never get much farther than "This is not a Bill" on that explanation of benefits statement. No that's not the main problem. The main problem is that the customer has little choice when they show up in the emergency room. You're going to shop around for a cardiologist while you're have a heart attack???? If we actually had to pay these bills, it would have never got this bad in the first place. The published price and the insurer cost are quite different. If you buy goods and services through the hospital they are usually several multiples of insurer cost. There are outfits that will arbitrate on your behalf to settle your hospital bill. |
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In article om,
says... On 3/14/2013 11:39 AM, wrote: On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 14:05:35 -0700, Urin Asshole wrote: On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 14:48:19 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 12:39:55 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Tue, 12 Mar 2013 23:02:08 -0700, Urin Asshole wrote: The "medicare underpayments" are still OVER what the actual costs are, and since medicare CANT negotiate, those costs can't be lower. That would be a good first fix. Maybe you are one of those Venus Project people who think we should do away with money but as long as we have money, you need to pay more than "cost" just to keep the wheels of commerce turning. "Cost" for the MRI, still does not pay for keeping the building running. At a certain point you are cutting the pay and benefits for the workers who do that. I agree they over use tests but as long as we have lawyers picking apart every bad outcome, doctors are going to test everything they think might insulate them from liability. So.... You are okay with your insurance being charged $30.00 for a Tylenol? $25.00 for a blanket which is used and washed to be re-used over and over and can be bought online for $5.00? You do realize these VERY excessive costs trickle down to the consumer, right? I already said, most of that $30 is bureaucratic red tape to avoid liability. Just cause you said it doesn't make it a fact. It's bull****. Read the article. That blanket is thrown away. I bought one last month and they told me I could take it home if I wanted. I agree the prices are inflated. Brill points out several reasons why. Yet, you just said it was "bureaucratic". So, bull****. I know you hate it when I actually have knowledge but my first wife was a hospital administrator. I have already said the Charge Master should be a public record so people will know what the prices are. They should also publish what the various negotiated or Medicare capped prices are. And I said it should be outlawed. What the **** is it for? It's a funny number designed to rip people off. It is simply the full retail price they can charge and they make that a ridiculously high number, like that card on a hotel door. Only a moron actually pays that much There is nothing in this boondoggle that a little sunshine would not help. The main problem is that the customer is usually totally ignorant of what the price is that they pay. Most people never get much farther than "This is not a Bill" on that explanation of benefits statement. No that's not the main problem. The main problem is that the customer has little choice when they show up in the emergency room. You're going to shop around for a cardiologist while you're have a heart attack???? If we actually had to pay these bills, it would have never got this bad in the first place. The published price and the insurer cost are quite different. If you buy goods and services through the hospital they are usually several multiples of insurer cost. There are outfits that will arbitrate on your behalf to settle your hospital bill. The prices in the Time article were just what they were, the cost of doing business with the hospital. |
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On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 14:08:25 -0400, Meyer wrote:
On 3/14/2013 11:39 AM, wrote: On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 14:05:35 -0700, Urin Asshole wrote: On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 14:48:19 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 12:39:55 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Tue, 12 Mar 2013 23:02:08 -0700, Urin Asshole wrote: The "medicare underpayments" are still OVER what the actual costs are, and since medicare CANT negotiate, those costs can't be lower. That would be a good first fix. Maybe you are one of those Venus Project people who think we should do away with money but as long as we have money, you need to pay more than "cost" just to keep the wheels of commerce turning. "Cost" for the MRI, still does not pay for keeping the building running. At a certain point you are cutting the pay and benefits for the workers who do that. I agree they over use tests but as long as we have lawyers picking apart every bad outcome, doctors are going to test everything they think might insulate them from liability. So.... You are okay with your insurance being charged $30.00 for a Tylenol? $25.00 for a blanket which is used and washed to be re-used over and over and can be bought online for $5.00? You do realize these VERY excessive costs trickle down to the consumer, right? I already said, most of that $30 is bureaucratic red tape to avoid liability. Just cause you said it doesn't make it a fact. It's bull****. Read the article. That blanket is thrown away. I bought one last month and they told me I could take it home if I wanted. I agree the prices are inflated. Brill points out several reasons why. Yet, you just said it was "bureaucratic". So, bull****. I know you hate it when I actually have knowledge but my first wife was a hospital administrator. I have already said the Charge Master should be a public record so people will know what the prices are. They should also publish what the various negotiated or Medicare capped prices are. And I said it should be outlawed. What the **** is it for? It's a funny number designed to rip people off. It is simply the full retail price they can charge and they make that a ridiculously high number, like that card on a hotel door. Only a moron actually pays that much There is nothing in this boondoggle that a little sunshine would not help. The main problem is that the customer is usually totally ignorant of what the price is that they pay. Most people never get much farther than "This is not a Bill" on that explanation of benefits statement. No that's not the main problem. The main problem is that the customer has little choice when they show up in the emergency room. You're going to shop around for a cardiologist while you're have a heart attack???? If we actually had to pay these bills, it would have never got this bad in the first place. The published price and the insurer cost are quite different. If you buy goods and services through the hospital they are usually several multiples of insurer cost. There are outfits that will arbitrate on your behalf to settle your hospital bill. They don't "settle" your bill, except that they can usually negotiate on your behalf to get some sort of discount on the made up price of chargemaster. You're still getting ripped off big time. |
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