On Tuesday, March 12, 2013 1:55:39 PM UTC-3, John H wrote:
On Tue, 12 Mar 2013 10:53:46 -0400, Meyer wrote:



On 3/12/2013 9:21 AM, True North wrote:

On Tuesday, 12 March 2013 08:32:37 UTC-3, John H wrote:

On Mon, 11 Mar 2013 20:31:26 -0400, Earl wrote:







J Herring wrote:



On Sat, 09 Mar 2013 09:46:26 -0500, wrote:







On Sat, 09 Mar 2013 09:41:25 -0500, J Herring



wrote:







On Sat, 09 Mar 2013 09:35:43 -0500, wrote:







On Tue, 26 Feb 2013 08:28:09 -0800 (PST), True North



wrote:







Yes it's a degree or two above freezing and with memories of the weekend visit to the Halifax International Boat Show, I'll taks a brave step and show a promotional video of my new boat.



This video shows items in a beige colour that went to black on my 2012 model.



Boat came with a full stand up canvas protection. I upgraded to the Mercury 60 Big Foot outboard,Deluxe Contour swivel seats and galvanized trailer, bought a travel cover, engine cover, transom saver etc.



http://vimeo.com/36015592



It sucks to be you - weather, that is!







Nice boat! Hope you thaw out soon :-)



And since today is a nice, bright, sunny day, I may have to take the Guzzi down to the gun show in



Fredericksburg and see how many non-dealer, unlicensed dealer dealers I can spot out behind the



woodshed.







Actually, my wife wants a smaller pistol. Might try to find a more compact 9mm.







Be sure and jump through the "loophole!"







PS



Seriously consider a .380 for the little woman. My DIL just got one



and loves it. She isn't that girly, but KAHR and Taurus both make a



pink model.



I've seen those 'pinkies'. Cute. My sister-in-law, whom I mentioned in a post to Eisboch, has a



PK380 by Walther. Very nice pistol. But, I don't like the idea of another ammunition size to be



concerned with, and I can see no advantages to the .380 over the 9mm. Right now I'm loaded with



.357, .38, 30-30, .22, 12 ga, and 9mm. Don't need another one!











Salmonbait



--







"That's not a baby kicking, dear Bride, it's just a fetus!"



[Attributed to Harry Krause]



The lighter load of the .380 might suit her better. The really small



9mm's are hard to keep on target when you fire some quick shots!







I agree, but I think we'll stick with the S&W 39-2 as the 'small' gun for now, unless she see's



something she likes, of course.











Salmonbait







--



'Name-calling'...the liberals' answer to a lost argument!







Get help Johnny...this gun obsession of yours is out of control.





Out of control? In what way?



Donnie simply cannot stand to see a discussion that is conducted in a reasonable, non-inflammatory

sort of way.



Damn shame.





Salmonbait



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'Name-calling'...the liberals' answer to a lost argument!


What are you babbling about, Johnny?
This is a boating thread that you're trying to turn into a gun thread

On 3/12/2013 1:24 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 3/12/13 12:55 PM, J Herring wrote:
On Tue, 12 Mar 2013 10:53:46 -0400, Meyer wrote:

On 3/12/2013 9:21 AM, True North wrote:
On Tuesday, 12 March 2013 08:32:37 UTC-3, John H wrote:
On Mon, 11 Mar 2013 20:31:26 -0400, Earl wrote:



J Herring wrote:

On Sat, 09 Mar 2013 09:46:26 -0500, wrote:



On Sat, 09 Mar 2013 09:41:25 -0500, J Herring


wrote:



On Sat, 09 Mar 2013 09:35:43 -0500, wrote:



On Tue, 26 Feb 2013 08:28:09 -0800 (PST), True North

wrote:



Yes it's a degree or two above freezing and with memories of
the weekend visit to the Halifax International Boat Show,
I'll taks a brave step and show a promotional video of my new
boat.

This video shows items in a beige colour that went to black
on my 2012 model.

Boat came with a full stand up canvas protection. I upgraded
to the Mercury 60 Big Foot outboard,Deluxe Contour swivel
seats and galvanized trailer, bought a travel cover, engine
cover, transom saver etc.

http://vimeo.com/36015592

It sucks to be you - weather, that is!



Nice boat! Hope you thaw out soon :-)

And since today is a nice, bright, sunny day, I may have to
take the Guzzi down to the gun show in

Fredericksburg and see how many non-dealer, unlicensed dealer
dealers I can spot out behind the

woodshed.



Actually, my wife wants a smaller pistol. Might try to find a
more compact 9mm.



Be sure and jump through the "loophole!"



PS

Seriously consider a .380 for the little woman. My DIL just got one

and loves it. She isn't that girly, but KAHR and Taurus both make a

pink model.

I've seen those 'pinkies'. Cute. My sister-in-law, whom I
mentioned in a post to Eisboch, has a

PK380 by Walther. Very nice pistol. But, I don't like the idea of
another ammunition size to be

concerned with, and I can see no advantages to the .380 over the
9mm. Right now I'm loaded with

.357, .38, 30-30, .22, 12 ga, and 9mm. Don't need another one!





Salmonbait

--



"That's not a baby kicking, dear Bride, it's just a fetus!"

[Attributed to Harry Krause]

The lighter load of the .380 might suit her better. The really small

9mm's are hard to keep on target when you fire some quick shots!



I agree, but I think we'll stick with the S&W 39-2 as the 'small'
gun for now, unless she see's

something she likes, of course.





Salmonbait



--

'Name-calling'...the liberals' answer to a lost argument!



Get help Johnny...this gun obsession of yours is out of control.


Out of control? In what way?

Donnie simply cannot stand to see a discussion that is conducted in a
reasonable, non-inflammatory
sort of way.

Damn shame.


Salmonbait

--
'Name-calling'...the liberals' answer to a lost argument!


You're as obsessed with guns as you were were golf, your truck and your
camping trailer, and none of them have anything to do with boats. I read
through some posts from the days I was out of town and I noticed you
were trying to give Donnie crap about his towing vehicle, and you made
some snarky remark about the new Toyota he was considering.

Well, Herring, not everyone needs a huge truck to haul around a boat as
little as yours. I towed an 18.5' boat quite a bit heavier than yours
with a Ford "Splash" Truck. And what else do you tow? On rare occasions,
a huge camper trailer. But the truck burns so much fuel that you have to
motorcycle to the Wal-Mart. D'oh. And where do you go with that huge
trailer? To the Pax rec site? To a spot a few miles down the Potomac
from where you live?

You ought to be shopping for a nice, used .44 Automag, so that when you
have your serious gun accident, it'll be a doozy.

We should ask John to repost the photos he took while camping in the
Grand Canyon and elsewhere. Maybe it would jog your memory.

On Tue, 12 Mar 2013 14:05:13 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 12 Mar 2013 12:59:39 -0400, J Herring
wrote:

I'd never try to shoot an .38 Special in a gun designed for .38S&W, but the other way around sounds
reasonable. The .38S&W is a little more snug, but doesn't require any forcing to get into or out of
the chamber. I may give them a shot next time I'm at the range.

Why?

Wouldn't trust the frame of the gun. And, I wouldn't go buy a .38S&W just to test the theory.


Salmonbait

--
'Name-calling'...the liberals' answer to a lost argument!

On Tue, 12 Mar 2013 14:54:34 -0400, Meyer wrote:

On 3/12/2013 1:24 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 3/12/13 12:55 PM, J Herring wrote:
On Tue, 12 Mar 2013 10:53:46 -0400, Meyer wrote:

On 3/12/2013 9:21 AM, True North wrote:
On Tuesday, 12 March 2013 08:32:37 UTC-3, John H wrote:
On Mon, 11 Mar 2013 20:31:26 -0400, Earl wrote:



J Herring wrote:

On Sat, 09 Mar 2013 09:46:26 -0500, wrote:



On Sat, 09 Mar 2013 09:41:25 -0500, J Herring


wrote:



On Sat, 09 Mar 2013 09:35:43 -0500, wrote:



On Tue, 26 Feb 2013 08:28:09 -0800 (PST), True North

wrote:



Yes it's a degree or two above freezing and with memories of
the weekend visit to the Halifax International Boat Show,
I'll taks a brave step and show a promotional video of my new
boat.

This video shows items in a beige colour that went to black
on my 2012 model.

Boat came with a full stand up canvas protection. I upgraded
to the Mercury 60 Big Foot outboard,Deluxe Contour swivel
seats and galvanized trailer, bought a travel cover, engine
cover, transom saver etc.

http://vimeo.com/36015592

It sucks to be you - weather, that is!



Nice boat! Hope you thaw out soon :-)

And since today is a nice, bright, sunny day, I may have to
take the Guzzi down to the gun show in

Fredericksburg and see how many non-dealer, unlicensed dealer
dealers I can spot out behind the

woodshed.



Actually, my wife wants a smaller pistol. Might try to find a
more compact 9mm.



Be sure and jump through the "loophole!"



PS

Seriously consider a .380 for the little woman. My DIL just got one

and loves it. She isn't that girly, but KAHR and Taurus both make a

pink model.

I've seen those 'pinkies'. Cute. My sister-in-law, whom I
mentioned in a post to Eisboch, has a

PK380 by Walther. Very nice pistol. But, I don't like the idea of
another ammunition size to be

concerned with, and I can see no advantages to the .380 over the
9mm. Right now I'm loaded with

.357, .38, 30-30, .22, 12 ga, and 9mm. Don't need another one!





Salmonbait

--



"That's not a baby kicking, dear Bride, it's just a fetus!"

[Attributed to Harry Krause]

The lighter load of the .380 might suit her better. The really small

9mm's are hard to keep on target when you fire some quick shots!



I agree, but I think we'll stick with the S&W 39-2 as the 'small'
gun for now, unless she see's

something she likes, of course.





Salmonbait



--

'Name-calling'...the liberals' answer to a lost argument!



Get help Johnny...this gun obsession of yours is out of control.


Out of control? In what way?

Donnie simply cannot stand to see a discussion that is conducted in a
reasonable, non-inflammatory
sort of way.

Damn shame.


Salmonbait

--
'Name-calling'...the liberals' answer to a lost argument!


You're as obsessed with guns as you were were golf, your truck and your
camping trailer, and none of them have anything to do with boats. I read
through some posts from the days I was out of town and I noticed you
were trying to give Donnie crap about his towing vehicle, and you made
some snarky remark about the new Toyota he was considering.

Well, Herring, not everyone needs a huge truck to haul around a boat as
little as yours. I towed an 18.5' boat quite a bit heavier than yours
with a Ford "Splash" Truck. And what else do you tow? On rare occasions,
a huge camper trailer. But the truck burns so much fuel that you have to
motorcycle to the Wal-Mart. D'oh. And where do you go with that huge
trailer? To the Pax rec site? To a spot a few miles down the Potomac
from where you live?

You ought to be shopping for a nice, used .44 Automag, so that when you
have your serious gun accident, it'll be a doozy.

We should ask John to repost the photos he took while camping in the
Grand Canyon and elsewhere. Maybe it would jog your memory.

I do have a lot of those I've not posted yet!

We're going to try out Disney's Wilderness Campground in June. Will see if it's worth $100 a night.
Can't imagine why it would be, but I suppose my wife could want to buy something like a horse, so I
should consider myself lucky.


Salmonbait

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'Name-calling'...the liberals' answer to a lost argument!

wrote in message news

Speaking of interchangeability - I came across a box of .38 S&W
rounds, which appear almost
identical to the .380 round. They chamber in the .357 revolver just
a little more snug than the .38
Specials and the .357 rounds do. When looking for information, I find
some who say they cannot be
interchanged with the .38 Special, and some who say they can - if
fired in a gun designed for .38
Special - not vice-versa.

The 38 S&W is slightly larger than the .38 spec and they usually will
not chamber. The loading is a lot lower pressure so if you did get one
in the gun it would be safe to fire but extraction could be hard to
do.
The real problem is going the other way. Usually the .38 S&W chamber
is shorter so you can't get a .38 special in there and revolve the
cylinder but if you can, you have a very good chance of splitting the
case when it fires and the pressures in a .38 special are higher than
most of those old .38 S&W guns were designed for.

All of that said. I knew a guy with a .38 S&W who shot regular .38s
out of it and he still had all of his fingers. The cartridge cases
were trashed tho. They all had a fire formed shoulder on them about
1/4" above the rim and sometimes the case mouth split..

----------------------------------------

I have a S&W 337 .38 "Chief's Special" with the shorter barrel (2")
and titanium cylinder. The barrel is stamped, " .38 S&W SPL. +P
Jacketed" on one side.

I understand that the reason for using jacketed +P ammo only is
because non-jacketed rounds in the adjacent cylinders can actually
have "lead creep", meaning the recoil is sufficient to move the lead
forward at the crimp. If this happens, the cylinder could jam.

But what is not clear to me .... and so far I haven't found any info
.... is if the requirement to use jacketed ammo applies only to the +P
type.
My understanding is the +P is a "hotter" round ... with more recoil.
So, I am not clear if using regular 38 Special ammo that is not
jacketed is ok.
Not that it really matters because it's not exactly a "range" gun.
But, I'd like to bring it once in a while just to get some more
experience with it and the indoor range at the club I belong to only
allows unjacketed ammo. At the outdoor ranges, we can use anything.

I'll fire off an email to S&W and see what they say.

On Tue, 12 Mar 2013 15:50:42 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:



wrote in message news

Speaking of interchangeability - I came across a box of .38 S&W
rounds, which appear almost
identical to the .380 round. They chamber in the .357 revolver just
a little more snug than the .38
Specials and the .357 rounds do. When looking for information, I find
some who say they cannot be
interchanged with the .38 Special, and some who say they can - if
fired in a gun designed for .38
Special - not vice-versa.

The 38 S&W is slightly larger than the .38 spec and they usually will
not chamber. The loading is a lot lower pressure so if you did get one
in the gun it would be safe to fire but extraction could be hard to
do.
The real problem is going the other way. Usually the .38 S&W chamber
is shorter so you can't get a .38 special in there and revolve the
cylinder but if you can, you have a very good chance of splitting the
case when it fires and the pressures in a .38 special are higher than
most of those old .38 S&W guns were designed for.

All of that said. I knew a guy with a .38 S&W who shot regular .38s
out of it and he still had all of his fingers. The cartridge cases
were trashed tho. They all had a fire formed shoulder on them about
1/4" above the rim and sometimes the case mouth split..

----------------------------------------

I have a S&W 337 .38 "Chief's Special" with the shorter barrel (2")
and titanium cylinder. The barrel is stamped, " .38 S&W SPL. +P
Jacketed" on one side.

I understand that the reason for using jacketed +P ammo only is
because non-jacketed rounds in the adjacent cylinders can actually
have "lead creep", meaning the recoil is sufficient to move the lead
forward at the crimp. If this happens, the cylinder could jam.

But what is not clear to me .... and so far I haven't found any info
... is if the requirement to use jacketed ammo applies only to the +P
type.
My understanding is the +P is a "hotter" round ... with more recoil.
So, I am not clear if using regular 38 Special ammo that is not
jacketed is ok.
Not that it really matters because it's not exactly a "range" gun.
But, I'd like to bring it once in a while just to get some more
experience with it and the indoor range at the club I belong to only
allows unjacketed ammo. At the outdoor ranges, we can use anything.

I'll fire off an email to S&W and see what they say.


What does the manual say?

The manual for the M&P9 refers to the use of +P and +P+, saying the first may result in the need for
more frequent service and the second could be DANGEROUS.

The S&W Forum is a great place to get questions answered:

http://smith-wessonforum.com/s-w-rev...ith-337-a.html


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'Name-calling'...the liberals' answer to a lost argument!

"J Herring" wrote in message
...

On Tue, 12 Mar 2013 15:50:42 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:



wrote in message news

Speaking of interchangeability - I came across a box of .38 S&W
rounds, which appear almost
identical to the .380 round. They chamber in the .357 revolver just
a little more snug than the .38
Specials and the .357 rounds do. When looking for information, I
find
some who say they cannot be
interchanged with the .38 Special, and some who say they can - if
fired in a gun designed for .38
Special - not vice-versa.

The 38 S&W is slightly larger than the .38 spec and they usually will
not chamber. The loading is a lot lower pressure so if you did get
one
in the gun it would be safe to fire but extraction could be hard to
do.
The real problem is going the other way. Usually the .38 S&W chamber
is shorter so you can't get a .38 special in there and revolve the
cylinder but if you can, you have a very good chance of splitting the
case when it fires and the pressures in a .38 special are higher than
most of those old .38 S&W guns were designed for.

All of that said. I knew a guy with a .38 S&W who shot regular .38s
out of it and he still had all of his fingers. The cartridge cases
were trashed tho. They all had a fire formed shoulder on them about
1/4" above the rim and sometimes the case mouth split..

----------------------------------------

I have a S&W 337 .38 "Chief's Special" with the shorter barrel (2")
and titanium cylinder. The barrel is stamped, " .38 S&W SPL. +P
Jacketed" on one side.

I understand that the reason for using jacketed +P ammo only is
because non-jacketed rounds in the adjacent cylinders can actually
have "lead creep", meaning the recoil is sufficient to move the lead
forward at the crimp. If this happens, the cylinder could jam.

But what is not clear to me .... and so far I haven't found any info
... is if the requirement to use jacketed ammo applies only to the +P
type.
My understanding is the +P is a "hotter" round ... with more recoil.
So, I am not clear if using regular 38 Special ammo that is not
jacketed is ok.
Not that it really matters because it's not exactly a "range" gun.
But, I'd like to bring it once in a while just to get some more
experience with it and the indoor range at the club I belong to only
allows unjacketed ammo. At the outdoor ranges, we can use anything.

I'll fire off an email to S&W and see what they say.


What does the manual say?

----------------------------------------

The manual warns about using jacketed +P rounds only. It doesn't say
anything about non +P rounds. That's what is a little confusing to
me.

On Tue, 12 Mar 2013 16:59:17 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 12 Mar 2013 15:17:26 -0400, J Herring
wrote:

On Tue, 12 Mar 2013 14:05:13 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 12 Mar 2013 12:59:39 -0400, J Herring
wrote:

I'd never try to shoot an .38 Special in a gun designed for .38S&W, but the other way around sounds
reasonable. The .38S&W is a little more snug, but doesn't require any forcing to get into or out of
the chamber. I may give them a shot next time I'm at the range.

Why?

Wouldn't trust the frame of the gun. And, I wouldn't go buy a .38S&W just to test the theory.


Salmonbait

I meant why would you shoot 38 S&W in a 38 special?

They won't even fit in my Colt (well maybe of I tapped them in) and I
have heard you can have extraction trouble but I never actually tried
it.

Well, I've got a box of them, from somewhere. Probably given to me by a former-cop brother back
when. So I was wondering what to do with them They fit the .38 Special cylinders just fine, as I
said, except for being a little more snug. I'm talking about my Mod 28.


Salmonbait

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'Name-calling'...the liberals' answer to a lost argument!

On 3/12/13 5:04 PM, J Herring wrote:
On Tue, 12 Mar 2013 16:59:17 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 12 Mar 2013 15:17:26 -0400, J Herring
wrote:

On Tue, 12 Mar 2013 14:05:13 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 12 Mar 2013 12:59:39 -0400, J Herring
wrote:

I'd never try to shoot an .38 Special in a gun designed for .38S&W, but the other way around sounds
reasonable. The .38S&W is a little more snug, but doesn't require any forcing to get into or out of
the chamber. I may give them a shot next time I'm at the range.

Why?

Wouldn't trust the frame of the gun. And, I wouldn't go buy a .38S&W just to test the theory.


Salmonbait

I meant why would you shoot 38 S&W in a 38 special?

They won't even fit in my Colt (well maybe of I tapped them in) and I
have heard you can have extraction trouble but I never actually tried
it.

Well, I've got a box of them, from somewhere. Probably given to me by a former-cop brother back
when. So I was wondering what to do with them They fit the .38 Special cylinders just fine, as I
said, except for being a little more snug. I'm talking about my Mod 28.


Salmonbait

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'Name-calling'...the liberals' answer to a lost argument!



You should experiment with high power rounds mismatched to your firearms.

On Mar 11, 7:42*pm, Earl wrote: