Eisboch wrote:


"J Herring" wrote in message
...


I wish Walther made a 9mm in the same size as the PK380.


----------------------------------------

Isn't a "380" just a short version of a 9mm round?

My PPK/S is stamped ".9mm - 380 ACP"




They are not interchangeable like a .38/.357 Mag.

Tim wrote:
On Mar 9, 9:42 am, wrote:
On Sat, 09 Mar 2013 10:28:20 -0500, Meyer wrote:
On 3/9/2013 10:24 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 09 Mar 2013 10:19:10 -0500, Meyer wrote:
On 3/9/2013 9:46 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 09 Mar 2013 09:41:25 -0500, J Herring
wrote:
On Sat, 09 Mar 2013 09:35:43 -0500, wrote:
On Tue, 26 Feb 2013 08:28:09 -0800 (PST), True North
wrote:
Yes it's a degree or two above freezing and with memories of the weekend visit to the Halifax International Boat Show, I'll taks a brave step and show a promotional video of my new boat.
This video shows items in a beige colour that went to black on my 2012 model.
Boat came with a full stand up canvas protection. I upgraded to the Mercury 60 Big Foot outboard,Deluxe Contour swivel seats and galvanized trailer, bought a travel cover, engine cover, transom saver etc.
http://vimeo.com/36015592
It sucks to be you - weather, that is!
Nice boat! Hope you thaw out soon :-)
And since today is a nice, bright, sunny day, I may have to take the Guzzi down to the gun show in
Fredericksburg and see how many non-dealer, unlicensed dealer dealers I can spot out behind the
woodshed.
Actually, my wife wants a smaller pistol. Might try to find a more compact 9mm.
Be sure and jump through the "loophole!"
PS
Seriously consider a .380 for the little woman. My DIL just got one
and loves it. She isn't that girly, but KAHR and Taurus both make a
pink model.
Kahr makes a 9mm smaller than the ppk and many other 380's
And is certainly made for the (much) smaller hand. It hurts like hell
to shoot, if it fits in your hand like a derringer.
You should try one out. It might surprise you.
I have and they catch me right in the meat of the thumb. Hurts like
hell. Ditto the Glock subcompacts; 26, 27, 29, 30, etc. .
You ought to try a little.25 auto. They're definitely meat slicers

Especially my wife's Bauer

http://www.imfdb.org/images/thumb/9/...kelBauer25.jpg
Looks like my first gun - a Raven. That was a POS. I don't know
anything about the Bauer.

On Mon, 11 Mar 2013 20:32:39 -0400, J Herring
wrote:

On Mon, 11 Mar 2013 20:23:17 -0400, Earl wrote:

J Herring wrote:
On Sat, 09 Mar 2013 09:35:43 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 26 Feb 2013 08:28:09 -0800 (PST), True North
wrote:

Yes it's a degree or two above freezing and with memories of the weekend visit to the Halifax International Boat Show, I'll taks a brave step and show a promotional video of my new boat.
This video shows items in a beige colour that went to black on my 2012 model.
Boat came with a full stand up canvas protection. I upgraded to the Mercury 60 Big Foot outboard,Deluxe Contour swivel seats and galvanized trailer, bought a travel cover, engine cover, transom saver etc.
http://vimeo.com/36015592
It sucks to be you - weather, that is!

Nice boat! Hope you thaw out soon :-)
And since today is a nice, bright, sunny day, I may have to take the Guzzi down to the gun show in
Fredericksburg and see how many non-dealer, unlicensed dealer dealers I can spot out behind the
woodshed.

Actually, my wife wants a smaller pistol. Might try to find a more compact 9mm.


Salmonbait
--

"That's not a baby kicking, dear Bride, it's just a fetus!"
[Attributed to Harry Krause]
Taurus has a nice .380 that would fit a woman's hands well.

Don't want to go to another caliber. The S&W 39-2 that I just got fits pretty well, and isn't as
heavy as the M&P9.


Salmonbait

Why don't you give it to the fetus. ****ing retard.

On 3/11/2013 11:22 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 11 Mar 2013 20:21:46 -0400, Earl wrote:

True North wrote:
On Wednesday, 6 March 2013 21:45:49 UTC-4, Earl wrote:
True North wrote:

Yes it's a degree or two above freezing and with memories of the weekend visit to the Halifax International Boat Show, I'll taks a brave step and show a promotional video of my new boat.
This video shows items in a beige colour that went to black on my 2012 model.
Boat came with a full stand up canvas protection. I upgraded to the Mercury 60 Big Foot outboard,Deluxe Contour swivel seats and galvanized trailer, bought a travel cover, engine cover, transom saver etc.
http://vimeo.com/36015592
Nice little fish & ski. Why did you get the Big Foot? They are for

trolling larger boats, sailboats, and pontoons, right? Are your seats

really black?


Both dealer and manufacturer recommended the 60 Big Foot. They claim it's the most popular outboard for my boat.
I've read other articles that also recommend this motor for wide stern boats... and mine does look wide for a 16.5 footer. Kicks up quite a wake at low speeds.
I suppose it provides low end power to get a water skiier up and going
Maybe that's a trade-off for a smaller OB so far off of the 90HP rating.

The low end torque is nothing to ignore. If you are not interested in
the absolute top end, keeping the low end is worth the extra few
hundred for the big foot. You also shave 100 pounds off the motor
going for the 40-60 (or 70 in the Yamaha) vs the 75-90.
In a small boat that is significant.

Higher torque is important for a boat like yours but with a loss of
speed and fuel economy Donnie's boat will suffer some.

On Mon, 11 Mar 2013 20:31:26 -0400, Earl wrote:

J Herring wrote:
On Sat, 09 Mar 2013 09:46:26 -0500, wrote:

On Sat, 09 Mar 2013 09:41:25 -0500, J Herring
wrote:

On Sat, 09 Mar 2013 09:35:43 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 26 Feb 2013 08:28:09 -0800 (PST), True North
wrote:

Yes it's a degree or two above freezing and with memories of the weekend visit to the Halifax International Boat Show, I'll taks a brave step and show a promotional video of my new boat.
This video shows items in a beige colour that went to black on my 2012 model.
Boat came with a full stand up canvas protection. I upgraded to the Mercury 60 Big Foot outboard,Deluxe Contour swivel seats and galvanized trailer, bought a travel cover, engine cover, transom saver etc.
http://vimeo.com/36015592
It sucks to be you - weather, that is!

Nice boat! Hope you thaw out soon :-)
And since today is a nice, bright, sunny day, I may have to take the Guzzi down to the gun show in
Fredericksburg and see how many non-dealer, unlicensed dealer dealers I can spot out behind the
woodshed.

Actually, my wife wants a smaller pistol. Might try to find a more compact 9mm.

Be sure and jump through the "loophole!"

PS
Seriously consider a .380 for the little woman. My DIL just got one
and loves it. She isn't that girly, but KAHR and Taurus both make a
pink model.
I've seen those 'pinkies'. Cute. My sister-in-law, whom I mentioned in a post to Eisboch, has a
PK380 by Walther. Very nice pistol. But, I don't like the idea of another ammunition size to be
concerned with, and I can see no advantages to the .380 over the 9mm. Right now I'm loaded with
.357, .38, 30-30, .22, 12 ga, and 9mm. Don't need another one!


Salmonbait
--

"That's not a baby kicking, dear Bride, it's just a fetus!"
[Attributed to Harry Krause]
The lighter load of the .380 might suit her better. The really small
9mm's are hard to keep on target when you fire some quick shots!

I agree, but I think we'll stick with the S&W 39-2 as the 'small' gun for now, unless she see's
something she likes, of course.


Salmonbait

--
'Name-calling'...the liberals' answer to a lost argument!

On Mon, 11 Mar 2013 20:33:48 -0400, Earl wrote:

Eisboch wrote:


"J Herring" wrote in message
...


I wish Walther made a 9mm in the same size as the PK380.


----------------------------------------

Isn't a "380" just a short version of a 9mm round?

My PPK/S is stamped ".9mm - 380 ACP"




They are not interchangeable like a .38/.357 Mag.

Speaking of interchangeability - I came across a box of .38 S&W rounds, which appear almost
identical to the .380 round. They chamber in the .357 revolver just a little more snug than the .38
Specials and the .357 rounds do. When looking for information, I find some who say they cannot be
interchanged with the .38 Special, and some who say they can - if fired in a gun designed for .38
Special - not vice-versa.

Informative table from: http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=346279


They are lower pressure and have been easily mistaken for and shot in Specials for years and years.
That said, here is Randy Lyman's Caliber Interchangeability chart:

CARTRIDGE INTERCHANGEABILITY CHART
------------------------------------
Cartridges within the groups shown are interchangeable. Other
substitutions should not be made without specific recommendation
of the firearms manufacturer, since improper combinations could
result in firearm damage or personal injury.
-----------------------------------------------------------------
RIMFIRE
22 W.R.F.
22 Remington Special
22 Win. Model 2890 in a 22 Win. Mag Rimfire but not conversely
-----------------------------------------------------------------
CENTERFIRE
25-20 Remington
25-20 W.C.F.
25-20 Win.
25-20 Win. High Speed
25-20 Marlin
25 W.C.F.
-----------------------------------------------------------------
6mm Rem. (80 & 90 grain)
244 Rem.
-----------------------------------------------------------------
25 Automatic
25 Auto. Colt Pistol (ACP)
25 (6.35mm) Automatic Pistol
6.35 Browning
-----------------------------------------------------------------
7mm Express (TM) Rem.
280 Rem.
-----------------------------------------------------------------
30-30 Sav.
30-30 Win.
30-30 Win. Accelerator*
30-30 Marlin
30-30 Win. High Speed
30 W.C.F
-----------------------------------------------------------------
32 Colt Automatic
32 Automatic Colt Pistol (ACP)
32 (7.65mm) Automatic Pistol
7.65mm Automatic Pistol
7.65mm Browning (not interchangeable with 7.65mm Luger)
-----------------------------------------------------------------
32 Short Colt in 32 Long Colt but not conversely
SEE NOTE C
-----------------------------------------------------------------
32 S. & W. in 32 S. & W. Long but not conversely
-----------------------------------------------------------------
32 S. & W. Long
32 Colt New Police
32 Colt Police Positive
-----------------------------------------------------------------
32 W.C.F.*
32 Win.*
32-20 Win. High Speed*
SEE NOTE A
-----------------------------------------------------------------
32-20 Colt L.M.R.
32-20 W.C.F.
32-20 Win. and Marlin
SEE NOTE G
-----------------------------------------------------------------
38 S. & W.
38 Colt New Police
380 Webley
-----------------------------------------------------------------
38 Colt Special
38 S. & W. Special
38 Targetmaster (R)
38 S. & W. Special Mid-Rage
38 Special (+P)
38-44 Special (+P)
38 Special
38 Special Flat Point
SEE NOTES B & D
-----------------------------------------------------------------
38 Short Colt in 38 Long Colt but not conversely;
Both can be used in 38 Special
-----------------------------------------------------------------
38 Marlin
38 Win.*
SEE NOTE A
-----------------------------------------------------------------
38 Remington*
38-40 Win.
38 W.C.F.*
SEE NOTE A
-----------------------------------------------------------------
38 Automatic in 38 Super (+P) but not conversely
-----------------------------------------------------------------
380 Automatic
9mm Browning Short (Corto, Kurz)
-----------------------------------------------------------------
9mm Luger
9mm Parabellum
SEE NOTE E
-----------------------------------------------------------------
44 S. & W. Special
SEE NOTE F
-----------------------------------------------------------------
44 Marlin
44 Win.
44 Remington
44-40 Win.
44 W.C.F.
-----------------------------------------------------------------
45-70 Government
45-70 Marlin
45-70 Win.
45-70-405
-----------------------------------------------------------------
NOTE A: *High-speed cartridges must not be used in revolvers.
They should be used only in rifles made especially for
them.
NOTE B: Ammunition with (+P) on the case headstamp is loaded to
higher pressure. Use only in firearms designated for
this cartridge and so recommended by the gun manufacturer.
NOTE C: Not for use in revolvers chambered for 32 S. & W. or
32 S. & W. Long.
NOTE D: All 38 Special cartridges can be used in 357 Magnum
revolvers but not conversely.
NOTE E: 9mm sub-machine gun cartridges should not be used in
handguns.
NOTE F: 44 Russian and 44 S. & W. Special can be used in 44
Remington Magnum revolvers but not conversely.
NOTE G: Not to be used in Win. M-66 and M-73.
-----------------------------------------------------------------
SOURCE: 1993 Remington Products Catalog

Not listed in Remington's information are the following:
-----------------------------------------------------------------
..38 Special and .357 Mag. in .357 Maximum, but not conversely
-----------------------------------------------------------------
..44 Special and .44 Mag. in .445 Super Mag, but not conversely
-----------------------------------------------------------------
..45 Long Colt in .454 Casull, but not conversely


Salmonbait

--
'Name-calling'...the liberals' answer to a lost argument!

On Tuesday, 12 March 2013 08:32:37 UTC-3, John H wrote:
On Mon, 11 Mar 2013 20:31:26 -0400, Earl wrote:



J Herring wrote:

On Sat, 09 Mar 2013 09:46:26 -0500, wrote:



On Sat, 09 Mar 2013 09:41:25 -0500, J Herring

wrote:



On Sat, 09 Mar 2013 09:35:43 -0500, wrote:



On Tue, 26 Feb 2013 08:28:09 -0800 (PST), True North

wrote:



Yes it's a degree or two above freezing and with memories of the weekend visit to the Halifax International Boat Show, I'll taks a brave step and show a promotional video of my new boat.

This video shows items in a beige colour that went to black on my 2012 model.

Boat came with a full stand up canvas protection. I upgraded to the Mercury 60 Big Foot outboard,Deluxe Contour swivel seats and galvanized trailer, bought a travel cover, engine cover, transom saver etc.

http://vimeo.com/36015592

It sucks to be you - weather, that is!



Nice boat! Hope you thaw out soon :-)

And since today is a nice, bright, sunny day, I may have to take the Guzzi down to the gun show in

Fredericksburg and see how many non-dealer, unlicensed dealer dealers I can spot out behind the

woodshed.



Actually, my wife wants a smaller pistol. Might try to find a more compact 9mm.



Be sure and jump through the "loophole!"



PS

Seriously consider a .380 for the little woman. My DIL just got one

and loves it. She isn't that girly, but KAHR and Taurus both make a

pink model.

I've seen those 'pinkies'. Cute. My sister-in-law, whom I mentioned in a post to Eisboch, has a

PK380 by Walther. Very nice pistol. But, I don't like the idea of another ammunition size to be

concerned with, and I can see no advantages to the .380 over the 9mm. Right now I'm loaded with

.357, .38, 30-30, .22, 12 ga, and 9mm. Don't need another one!





Salmonbait

--



"That's not a baby kicking, dear Bride, it's just a fetus!"

[Attributed to Harry Krause]

The lighter load of the .380 might suit her better. The really small

9mm's are hard to keep on target when you fire some quick shots!



I agree, but I think we'll stick with the S&W 39-2 as the 'small' gun for now, unless she see's

something she likes, of course.





Salmonbait



--

'Name-calling'...the liberals' answer to a lost argument!



Get help Johnny...this gun obsession of yours is out of control.

On 3/12/2013 9:21 AM, True North wrote:
On Tuesday, 12 March 2013 08:32:37 UTC-3, John H wrote:
On Mon, 11 Mar 2013 20:31:26 -0400, Earl wrote:



J Herring wrote:

On Sat, 09 Mar 2013 09:46:26 -0500, wrote:



On Sat, 09 Mar 2013 09:41:25 -0500, J Herring

wrote:



On Sat, 09 Mar 2013 09:35:43 -0500, wrote:



On Tue, 26 Feb 2013 08:28:09 -0800 (PST), True North

wrote:



Yes it's a degree or two above freezing and with memories of the weekend visit to the Halifax International Boat Show, I'll taks a brave step and show a promotional video of my new boat.

This video shows items in a beige colour that went to black on my 2012 model.

Boat came with a full stand up canvas protection. I upgraded to the Mercury 60 Big Foot outboard,Deluxe Contour swivel seats and galvanized trailer, bought a travel cover, engine cover, transom saver etc.

http://vimeo.com/36015592

It sucks to be you - weather, that is!



Nice boat! Hope you thaw out soon :-)

And since today is a nice, bright, sunny day, I may have to take the Guzzi down to the gun show in

Fredericksburg and see how many non-dealer, unlicensed dealer dealers I can spot out behind the

woodshed.



Actually, my wife wants a smaller pistol. Might try to find a more compact 9mm.



Be sure and jump through the "loophole!"



PS

Seriously consider a .380 for the little woman. My DIL just got one

and loves it. She isn't that girly, but KAHR and Taurus both make a

pink model.

I've seen those 'pinkies'. Cute. My sister-in-law, whom I mentioned in a post to Eisboch, has a

PK380 by Walther. Very nice pistol. But, I don't like the idea of another ammunition size to be

concerned with, and I can see no advantages to the .380 over the 9mm. Right now I'm loaded with

.357, .38, 30-30, .22, 12 ga, and 9mm. Don't need another one!





Salmonbait

--



"That's not a baby kicking, dear Bride, it's just a fetus!"

[Attributed to Harry Krause]

The lighter load of the .380 might suit her better. The really small

9mm's are hard to keep on target when you fire some quick shots!



I agree, but I think we'll stick with the S&W 39-2 as the 'small' gun for now, unless she see's

something she likes, of course.





Salmonbait



--

'Name-calling'...the liberals' answer to a lost argument!



Get help Johnny...this gun obsession of yours is out of control.


Out of control? In what way?

On Tuesday, 12 March 2013 11:53:46 UTC-3, Meyer wrote:
On 3/12/2013 9:21 AM, True North wrote:

On Tuesday, 12 March 2013 08:32:37 UTC-3, John H wrote:

On Mon, 11 Mar 2013 20:31:26 -0400, Earl wrote:







J Herring wrote:



On Sat, 09 Mar 2013 09:46:26 -0500, wrote:







On Sat, 09 Mar 2013 09:41:25 -0500, J Herring



wrote:







On Sat, 09 Mar 2013 09:35:43 -0500, wrote:







On Tue, 26 Feb 2013 08:28:09 -0800 (PST), True North



wrote:







Yes it's a degree or two above freezing and with memories of the weekend visit to the Halifax International Boat Show, I'll taks a brave step and show a promotional video of my new boat.



This video shows items in a beige colour that went to black on my 2012 model.



Boat came with a full stand up canvas protection. I upgraded to the Mercury 60 Big Foot outboard,Deluxe Contour swivel seats and galvanized trailer, bought a travel cover, engine cover, transom saver etc.



http://vimeo.com/36015592



It sucks to be you - weather, that is!







Nice boat! Hope you thaw out soon :-)



And since today is a nice, bright, sunny day, I may have to take the Guzzi down to the gun show in



Fredericksburg and see how many non-dealer, unlicensed dealer dealers I can spot out behind the



woodshed.







Actually, my wife wants a smaller pistol. Might try to find a more compact 9mm.







Be sure and jump through the "loophole!"







PS



Seriously consider a .380 for the little woman. My DIL just got one



and loves it. She isn't that girly, but KAHR and Taurus both make a



pink model.



I've seen those 'pinkies'. Cute. My sister-in-law, whom I mentioned in a post to Eisboch, has a



PK380 by Walther. Very nice pistol. But, I don't like the idea of another ammunition size to be



concerned with, and I can see no advantages to the .380 over the 9mm. Right now I'm loaded with



.357, .38, 30-30, .22, 12 ga, and 9mm. Don't need another one!











Salmonbait



--







"That's not a baby kicking, dear Bride, it's just a fetus!"



[Attributed to Harry Krause]



The lighter load of the .380 might suit her better. The really small



9mm's are hard to keep on target when you fire some quick shots!







I agree, but I think we'll stick with the S&W 39-2 as the 'small' gun for now, unless she see's



something she likes, of course.











Salmonbait







--



'Name-calling'...the liberals' answer to a lost argument!







Get help Johnny...this gun obsession of yours is out of control.





Out of control? In what way?

Johnny claims to be a Christian man yet spends every waking hour on Sunday lusting for handguns.
I reaize there are cultural differences down there, but up here it wouldn't be considered normal.

On 3/12/2013 10:59 AM, True North wrote:
On Tuesday, 12 March 2013 11:53:46 UTC-3, Meyer wrote:
On 3/12/2013 9:21 AM, True North wrote:

On Tuesday, 12 March 2013 08:32:37 UTC-3, John H wrote:

On Mon, 11 Mar 2013 20:31:26 -0400, Earl wrote:







J Herring wrote:



On Sat, 09 Mar 2013 09:46:26 -0500, wrote:







On Sat, 09 Mar 2013 09:41:25 -0500, J Herring



wrote:







On Sat, 09 Mar 2013 09:35:43 -0500, wrote:







On Tue, 26 Feb 2013 08:28:09 -0800 (PST), True North



wrote:







Yes it's a degree or two above freezing and with memories of the weekend visit to the Halifax International Boat Show, I'll taks a brave step and show a promotional video of my new boat.



This video shows items in a beige colour that went to black on my 2012 model.



Boat came with a full stand up canvas protection. I upgraded to the Mercury 60 Big Foot outboard,Deluxe Contour swivel seats and galvanized trailer, bought a travel cover, engine cover, transom saver etc.



http://vimeo.com/36015592



It sucks to be you - weather, that is!







Nice boat! Hope you thaw out soon :-)



And since today is a nice, bright, sunny day, I may have to take the Guzzi down to the gun show in



Fredericksburg and see how many non-dealer, unlicensed dealer dealers I can spot out behind the



woodshed.







Actually, my wife wants a smaller pistol. Might try to find a more compact 9mm.







Be sure and jump through the "loophole!"







PS



Seriously consider a .380 for the little woman. My DIL just got one



and loves it. She isn't that girly, but KAHR and Taurus both make a



pink model.



I've seen those 'pinkies'. Cute. My sister-in-law, whom I mentioned in a post to Eisboch, has a



PK380 by Walther. Very nice pistol. But, I don't like the idea of another ammunition size to be



concerned with, and I can see no advantages to the .380 over the 9mm. Right now I'm loaded with



.357, .38, 30-30, .22, 12 ga, and 9mm. Don't need another one!











Salmonbait



--







"That's not a baby kicking, dear Bride, it's just a fetus!"



[Attributed to Harry Krause]



The lighter load of the .380 might suit her better. The really small



9mm's are hard to keep on target when you fire some quick shots!







I agree, but I think we'll stick with the S&W 39-2 as the 'small' gun for now, unless she see's



something she likes, of course.











Salmonbait







--



'Name-calling'...the liberals' answer to a lost argument!







Get help Johnny...this gun obsession of yours is out of control.





Out of control? In what way?

Johnny claims to be a Christian man yet spends every waking hour on Sunday lusting for handguns.
I reaize there are cultural differences down there, but up here it wouldn't be considered normal.


So, you make up a scenario (spends every waking hour), then complain
that it wouldn't be normal based on... well, jealousy and hate I guess,
typical progressive.