"J Herring" wrote in message
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I wish Walther made a 9mm in the same size as the PK380.


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Isn't a "380" just a short version of a 9mm round?

My PPK/S is stamped ".9mm - 380 ACP"

On Sat, 9 Mar 2013 11:06:12 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:



"J Herring" wrote in message
.. .


I wish Walther made a 9mm in the same size as the PK380.


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Isn't a "380" just a short version of a 9mm round?

My PPK/S is stamped ".9mm - 380 ACP"


Some info on that question:

http://thefiringline.com/forums/arch...?t-102195.html

Looking at this picture, it appears that only '.380' is stamped on the barrel. Does yours have both
calibers stamped on the barrel? I don't think I've ever seen that.

http://tinyurl.com/bzcqm95

However, this picture does show "9mm kurz/.380 ACP" 'Kurz' is German for 'short', so that's where
the confusion lies.

http://tinyurl.com/bnbr7f9



I suppose you heard about the recall:
http://tinyurl.com/azxw7qu


Salmonbait
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"J Herring" wrote in message
...

On Sat, 9 Mar 2013 11:06:12 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:



"J Herring" wrote in message
.. .


I wish Walther made a 9mm in the same size as the PK380.


----------------------------------------

Isn't a "380" just a short version of a 9mm round?

My PPK/S is stamped ".9mm - 380 ACP"


Some info on that question:

http://thefiringline.com/forums/arch...?t-102195.html

Looking at this picture, it appears that only '.380' is stamped on the
barrel. Does yours have both
calibers stamped on the barrel? I don't think I've ever seen that.

http://tinyurl.com/bzcqm95

However, this picture does show "9mm kurz/.380 ACP" 'Kurz' is German
for 'short', so that's where
the confusion lies.

http://tinyurl.com/bnbr7f9



I suppose you heard about the recall:
http://tinyurl.com/azxw7qu


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Mine has both calibers stamped on the barrel, but obviously the only
thing in common with a .9mm regular is it's diameter.

I bought mine new .... it was manufactured in August of 2012, so the
issue involved in the recall had been fixed.
Now that I have become more familiar with it, I like it. It's not a
"lightweight" by any means and I like the feel of it in my hand.
The smaller ones are just too small for me to feel comfortable with.

The Walther PPK and it's variants is an old design. It was first made
in 1929. Hitler supposedly used one when he committed suicide in the
bunker, but it is known more as being James Bond's personal handgun
choice.

On Sat, 9 Mar 2013 12:58:36 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:



"J Herring" wrote in message
.. .

On Sat, 9 Mar 2013 11:06:12 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:



"J Herring" wrote in message
. ..


I wish Walther made a 9mm in the same size as the PK380.


----------------------------------------

Isn't a "380" just a short version of a 9mm round?

My PPK/S is stamped ".9mm - 380 ACP"


Some info on that question:

http://thefiringline.com/forums/arch...?t-102195.html

Looking at this picture, it appears that only '.380' is stamped on the
barrel. Does yours have both
calibers stamped on the barrel? I don't think I've ever seen that.

http://tinyurl.com/bzcqm95

However, this picture does show "9mm kurz/.380 ACP" 'Kurz' is German
for 'short', so that's where
the confusion lies.

http://tinyurl.com/bnbr7f9



I suppose you heard about the recall:
http://tinyurl.com/azxw7qu


-----------------------------------------------------------------------

Mine has both calibers stamped on the barrel, but obviously the only
thing in common with a .9mm regular is it's diameter.

I bought mine new .... it was manufactured in August of 2012, so the
issue involved in the recall had been fixed.
Now that I have become more familiar with it, I like it. It's not a
"lightweight" by any means and I like the feel of it in my hand.
The smaller ones are just too small for me to feel comfortable with.

The Walther PPK and it's variants is an old design. It was first made
in 1929. Hitler supposedly used one when he committed suicide in the
bunker, but it is known more as being James Bond's personal handgun
choice.


I wish I could find a place that had several of the various makes and sizes in stock. Everyone's
shelves are pretty bare right now.


Salmonbait
--

"That's not a baby kicking, dear Bride, it's just a fetus!"
[Attributed to Harry Krause]

On 3/9/2013 1:10 PM, J Herring wrote:

On Sat, 9 Mar 2013 12:58:36 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:



"J Herring" wrote in message
...

On Sat, 9 Mar 2013 11:06:12 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:



"J Herring" wrote in message
...


I wish Walther made a 9mm in the same size as the PK380.


----------------------------------------

Isn't a "380" just a short version of a 9mm round?

My PPK/S is stamped ".9mm - 380 ACP"


Some info on that question:

http://thefiringline.com/forums/arch...?t-102195.html

Looking at this picture, it appears that only '.380' is stamped on the
barrel. Does yours have both
calibers stamped on the barrel? I don't think I've ever seen that.

http://tinyurl.com/bzcqm95

However, this picture does show "9mm kurz/.380 ACP" 'Kurz' is German
for 'short', so that's where
the confusion lies.

http://tinyurl.com/bnbr7f9



I suppose you heard about the recall:
http://tinyurl.com/azxw7qu


-----------------------------------------------------------------------

Mine has both calibers stamped on the barrel, but obviously the only
thing in common with a .9mm regular is it's diameter.

I bought mine new .... it was manufactured in August of 2012, so the
issue involved in the recall had been fixed.
Now that I have become more familiar with it, I like it. It's not a
"lightweight" by any means and I like the feel of it in my hand.
The smaller ones are just too small for me to feel comfortable with.

The Walther PPK and it's variants is an old design. It was first made
in 1929. Hitler supposedly used one when he committed suicide in the
bunker, but it is known more as being James Bond's personal handgun
choice.


I wish I could find a place that had several of the various makes and sizes in stock. Everyone's
shelves are pretty bare right now.


Salmonbait
--

"That's not a baby kicking, dear Bride, it's just a fetus!"
[Attributed to Harry Krause]


Our place here has a lot in the rental case so you can compare them.
Find a local range that rents guns with a connected range like the one
here, they probably haven't sold their rental stock so they have a few
dozen contemporary handguns right there next to each other that you can
take out and compare right at the counter.

On 3/9/13 11:06 AM, Eisboch wrote:


"J Herring" wrote in message
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I wish Walther made a 9mm in the same size as the PK380.


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Isn't a "380" just a short version of a 9mm round?

My PPK/S is stamped ".9mm - 380 ACP"





I thought for sure you'd have the James Bond Walther.

In article ,
says...

"J Herring" wrote in message
...


I wish Walther made a 9mm in the same size as the PK380.


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Isn't a "380" just a short version of a 9mm round?

My PPK/S is stamped ".9mm - 380 ACP"

9x17 = .380 ACP
9x18 = 9mm Makarov
9x19 = 9mm Luger, "the 9mm"

Eisboch wrote:


"J Herring" wrote in message
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I wish Walther made a 9mm in the same size as the PK380.


----------------------------------------

Isn't a "380" just a short version of a 9mm round?

My PPK/S is stamped ".9mm - 380 ACP"




They are not interchangeable like a .38/.357 Mag.

On Mon, 11 Mar 2013 20:33:48 -0400, Earl wrote:

Eisboch wrote:


"J Herring" wrote in message
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I wish Walther made a 9mm in the same size as the PK380.


----------------------------------------

Isn't a "380" just a short version of a 9mm round?

My PPK/S is stamped ".9mm - 380 ACP"




They are not interchangeable like a .38/.357 Mag.

Speaking of interchangeability - I came across a box of .38 S&W rounds, which appear almost
identical to the .380 round. They chamber in the .357 revolver just a little more snug than the .38
Specials and the .357 rounds do. When looking for information, I find some who say they cannot be
interchanged with the .38 Special, and some who say they can - if fired in a gun designed for .38
Special - not vice-versa.

Informative table from: http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=346279


They are lower pressure and have been easily mistaken for and shot in Specials for years and years.
That said, here is Randy Lyman's Caliber Interchangeability chart:

CARTRIDGE INTERCHANGEABILITY CHART
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Cartridges within the groups shown are interchangeable. Other
substitutions should not be made without specific recommendation
of the firearms manufacturer, since improper combinations could
result in firearm damage or personal injury.
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RIMFIRE
22 W.R.F.
22 Remington Special
22 Win. Model 2890 in a 22 Win. Mag Rimfire but not conversely
-----------------------------------------------------------------
CENTERFIRE
25-20 Remington
25-20 W.C.F.
25-20 Win.
25-20 Win. High Speed
25-20 Marlin
25 W.C.F.
-----------------------------------------------------------------
6mm Rem. (80 & 90 grain)
244 Rem.
-----------------------------------------------------------------
25 Automatic
25 Auto. Colt Pistol (ACP)
25 (6.35mm) Automatic Pistol
6.35 Browning
-----------------------------------------------------------------
7mm Express (TM) Rem.
280 Rem.
-----------------------------------------------------------------
30-30 Sav.
30-30 Win.
30-30 Win. Accelerator*
30-30 Marlin
30-30 Win. High Speed
30 W.C.F
-----------------------------------------------------------------
32 Colt Automatic
32 Automatic Colt Pistol (ACP)
32 (7.65mm) Automatic Pistol
7.65mm Automatic Pistol
7.65mm Browning (not interchangeable with 7.65mm Luger)
-----------------------------------------------------------------
32 Short Colt in 32 Long Colt but not conversely
SEE NOTE C
-----------------------------------------------------------------
32 S. & W. in 32 S. & W. Long but not conversely
-----------------------------------------------------------------
32 S. & W. Long
32 Colt New Police
32 Colt Police Positive
-----------------------------------------------------------------
32 W.C.F.*
32 Win.*
32-20 Win. High Speed*
SEE NOTE A
-----------------------------------------------------------------
32-20 Colt L.M.R.
32-20 W.C.F.
32-20 Win. and Marlin
SEE NOTE G
-----------------------------------------------------------------
38 S. & W.
38 Colt New Police
380 Webley
-----------------------------------------------------------------
38 Colt Special
38 S. & W. Special
38 Targetmaster (R)
38 S. & W. Special Mid-Rage
38 Special (+P)
38-44 Special (+P)
38 Special
38 Special Flat Point
SEE NOTES B & D
-----------------------------------------------------------------
38 Short Colt in 38 Long Colt but not conversely;
Both can be used in 38 Special
-----------------------------------------------------------------
38 Marlin
38 Win.*
SEE NOTE A
-----------------------------------------------------------------
38 Remington*
38-40 Win.
38 W.C.F.*
SEE NOTE A
-----------------------------------------------------------------
38 Automatic in 38 Super (+P) but not conversely
-----------------------------------------------------------------
380 Automatic
9mm Browning Short (Corto, Kurz)
-----------------------------------------------------------------
9mm Luger
9mm Parabellum
SEE NOTE E
-----------------------------------------------------------------
44 S. & W. Special
SEE NOTE F
-----------------------------------------------------------------
44 Marlin
44 Win.
44 Remington
44-40 Win.
44 W.C.F.
-----------------------------------------------------------------
45-70 Government
45-70 Marlin
45-70 Win.
45-70-405
-----------------------------------------------------------------
NOTE A: *High-speed cartridges must not be used in revolvers.
They should be used only in rifles made especially for
them.
NOTE B: Ammunition with (+P) on the case headstamp is loaded to
higher pressure. Use only in firearms designated for
this cartridge and so recommended by the gun manufacturer.
NOTE C: Not for use in revolvers chambered for 32 S. & W. or
32 S. & W. Long.
NOTE D: All 38 Special cartridges can be used in 357 Magnum
revolvers but not conversely.
NOTE E: 9mm sub-machine gun cartridges should not be used in
handguns.
NOTE F: 44 Russian and 44 S. & W. Special can be used in 44
Remington Magnum revolvers but not conversely.
NOTE G: Not to be used in Win. M-66 and M-73.
-----------------------------------------------------------------
SOURCE: 1993 Remington Products Catalog

Not listed in Remington's information are the following:
-----------------------------------------------------------------
..38 Special and .357 Mag. in .357 Maximum, but not conversely
-----------------------------------------------------------------
..44 Special and .44 Mag. in .445 Super Mag, but not conversely
-----------------------------------------------------------------
..45 Long Colt in .454 Casull, but not conversely


Salmonbait

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On Tue, 12 Mar 2013 11:42:32 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 12 Mar 2013 08:00:43 -0400, J Herring
wrote:

On Mon, 11 Mar 2013 20:33:48 -0400, Earl wrote:

Eisboch wrote:


"J Herring" wrote in message
...


I wish Walther made a 9mm in the same size as the PK380.


----------------------------------------

Isn't a "380" just a short version of a 9mm round?

My PPK/S is stamped ".9mm - 380 ACP"




They are not interchangeable like a .38/.357 Mag.

Speaking of interchangeability - I came across a box of .38 S&W rounds, which appear almost
identical to the .380 round. They chamber in the .357 revolver just a little more snug than the .38
Specials and the .357 rounds do. When looking for information, I find some who say they cannot be
interchanged with the .38 Special, and some who say they can - if fired in a gun designed for .38
Special - not vice-versa.

The 38 S&W is slightly larger than the .38 spec and they usually will
not chamber. The loading is a lot lower pressure so if you did get one
in the gun it would be safe to fire but extraction could be hard to
do.
The real problem is going the other way. Usually the .38 S&W chamber
is shorter so you can't get a .38 special in there and revolve the
cylinder but if you can, you have a very good chance of splitting the
case when it fires and the pressures in a .38 special are higher than
most of those old .38 S&W guns were designed for.

All of that said. I knew a guy with a .38 S&W who shot regular .38s
out of it and he still had all of his fingers. The cartridge cases
were trashed tho. They all had a fire formed shoulder on them about
1/4" above the rim and sometimes the case mouth split..

I'd never try to shoot an .38 Special in a gun designed for .38S&W, but the other way around sounds
reasonable. The .38S&W is a little more snug, but doesn't require any forcing to get into or out of
the chamber. I may give them a shot next time I'm at the range.

Shot the 39-2 at a friend's house yesterday. Sweet pistol.


Salmonbait

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'Name-calling'...the liberals' answer to a lost argument!