On 2/21/13 11:01 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 2/20/13 9:35 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 2/20/2013 8:12 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
m...

If you have propane delivered to your house to fill a large residential
tank, what are you paying per gallon in your part of the country?

We're paying $2.79 a gallon, which is about average for delivered
propane in this market.

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Don't know if it's considered "large" but we have a 100 gallon tank
that fuels a heater in the garage.
Just had 46.5 gallons delivered and the bill was about $175 which works
out to about $3.68 per gallon (after the small delivery fee).

So, I'd say you are getting a great price.




Well of course he is Dick! Harry gets' everything at a better price than
you, gets' better gas too. Special gas, usually reserved for Presidents
and Sheiks...


There's no national retail price for propane, **** for brains, just as
there is no national retail price for gasoline. I'm sure there are
markets where the price is lower than it is here. One dealer locally is
charging a few cents less than we pay, several are at the $4.00 level,
depending on when they bought what they are selling now.

Here's our delivery ticket, showing the deliver price sans taxes.

http://tinyurl.com/aaae9dp

Oh, you know, Scotty is just insane and stupid all at the same time!


That $2.54 price at the bottom of the short list in the URL was a
"special price" all new customers get when they switch from their old
propane provider to the company we're now using...25 cents off per
gallon on the first tank full-up. Our new provider is locally owned and
seems a hell of a lot more customer-service oriented than the provider
we had for more than nine years. That company was owned by an out of
state corporation.


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racist militaristic xenophobic corporate oligarchy wasn't going to work
for me.

On Feb 21, 11:10*am, "F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 2/21/13 11:01 AM, iBoaterer wrote:





In article ,
says...

On 2/20/13 9:35 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 2/20/2013 8:12 PM, Eisboch wrote:

"F.O.A.D." *wrote in message
news:CPmdnVbkxLBD9bjMnZ2dnUVZ_vGdnZ2d@earthlin k.com...

If you have propane delivered to your house to fill a large residential
tank, what are you paying per gallon in your part of the country?

We're paying $2.79 a gallon, which is about average for delivered
propane in this market.

------------------------------------------

Don't know if it's considered "large" *but we have a 100 gallon tank
that fuels a heater in the garage.
Just had 46.5 gallons delivered and the bill was about $175 which works
out to about $3.68 per gallon (after the small delivery fee).

So, I'd say you are getting a great price.

Well of course he is Dick! Harry gets' everything at a better price than
you, gets' better gas too. Special gas, usually reserved for Presidents
and Sheiks...

There's no national retail price for propane, **** for brains, just as
there is no national retail price for gasoline. I'm sure there are
markets where the price is lower than it is here. One dealer locally is
charging a few cents less than we pay, several are at the $4.00 level,
depending on when they bought what they are selling now.

Here's our delivery ticket, showing the deliver price sans taxes.

http://tinyurl.com/aaae9dp

Oh, you know, Scotty is just insane and stupid all at the same time!

That $2.54 price at the bottom of the short list in the URL was a
"special price" all new customers get when they switch from their old
propane provider to the company we're now using...25 cents off per
gallon on the first tank full-up. Our new provider is locally owned and
seems a hell of a lot more customer-service oriented than the provider
we had for more than nine years. That company was owned by an out of
state corporation.

--
I'm a *Liberal* because I knew the militant christian fundamentalist
racist militaristic xenophobic corporate oligarchy wasn't going to work
for me.

Ya, you switched suppliers. Did you stiff the " old " supplier like
you have others ?????

"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
m...


That $2.54 price at the bottom of the short list in the URL was a
"special price" all new customers get when they switch from their old
propane provider to the company we're now using...25 cents off per
gallon on the first tank full-up. Our new provider is locally owned
and
seems a hell of a lot more customer-service oriented than the provider
we had for more than nine years. That company was owned by an out of
state corporation.

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That's the only problem with propane. You really can't shop for
competitive pricing ... at least not in my state .... because only the
supplier who installed the tanks can fill them. If you want to
change suppliers, you have to get new tanks. Not a huge deal but the
supplier also typically requires a contract that you will buy only
from them for some number of years.

We don't really use enough propane to be overly concerned with the ups
and downs of the price. We heat with oil. That's a different story.
We have one "regular" 275 gallon oil tank and two additional 330
gallon tanks that our oil company installed in our basement when we
first bought this house. When they come to fill them up Mrs.E gets
a little nervous. I've tried to explain to her that we are going to
use it anyway, so don't worry about it.

It's a big house but the heating cost is surprisingly not all that
bad. It's all 2x6 construction on the outside walls and is very
well insulated. We also have something like 9 individual heating
zones, so the areas of the house that aren't used can be kept at lower
temps.

In article ,
says...

"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
m...


That $2.54 price at the bottom of the short list in the URL was a
"special price" all new customers get when they switch from their old
propane provider to the company we're now using...25 cents off per
gallon on the first tank full-up. Our new provider is locally owned
and
seems a hell of a lot more customer-service oriented than the provider
we had for more than nine years. That company was owned by an out of
state corporation.

-------------------------------------

That's the only problem with propane. You really can't shop for
competitive pricing ... at least not in my state .... because only the
supplier who installed the tanks can fill them. If you want to
change suppliers, you have to get new tanks. Not a huge deal but the
supplier also typically requires a contract that you will buy only
from them for some number of years.

We don't really use enough propane to be overly concerned with the ups
and downs of the price. We heat with oil. That's a different story.
We have one "regular" 275 gallon oil tank and two additional 330
gallon tanks that our oil company installed in our basement when we
first bought this house. When they come to fill them up Mrs.E gets
a little nervous. I've tried to explain to her that we are going to
use it anyway, so don't worry about it.

It's a big house but the heating cost is surprisingly not all that
bad. It's all 2x6 construction on the outside walls and is very
well insulated. We also have something like 9 individual heating
zones, so the areas of the house that aren't used can be kept at lower
temps.

Here we have natural gas, and it's an open market so you can shop. I
lock in a rate for a year, you get a better price that way. I shop for
the best rate, then call whomever I'm with and say company X is giving
gas to me for Y amount per therm, and they'll usually at least match it
or beat it, if not, I switch.

On 2/21/13 3:36 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
m...


That $2.54 price at the bottom of the short list in the URL was a
"special price" all new customers get when they switch from their old
propane provider to the company we're now using...25 cents off per
gallon on the first tank full-up. Our new provider is locally owned and
seems a hell of a lot more customer-service oriented than the provider
we had for more than nine years. That company was owned by an out of
state corporation.

-------------------------------------

That's the only problem with propane. You really can't shop for
competitive pricing ... at least not in my state .... because only the
supplier who installed the tanks can fill them. If you want to change
suppliers, you have to get new tanks. Not a huge deal but the supplier
also typically requires a contract that you will buy only from them for
some number of years.


If you own your own tank here, you can shop for propane, but the
supplier we are now using gave us a good deal on the plumbing necessary
for our back up generator, plus a discount on the first fill, and its
prices are competitive. If I wanted, I could change suppliers, but I
have no reason to do so.



--
I'm a *Liberal* because I knew the militant christian fundamentalist
racist militaristic xenophobic corporate oligarchy wasn't going to work
for me.

F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 2/21/13 3:36 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
m...


That $2.54 price at the bottom of the short list in the URL was a
"special price" all new customers get when they switch from their old
propane provider to the company we're now using...25 cents off per
gallon on the first tank full-up. Our new provider is locally owned and
seems a hell of a lot more customer-service oriented than the provider
we had for more than nine years. That company was owned by an out of
state corporation.

-------------------------------------

That's the only problem with propane. You really can't shop for
competitive pricing ... at least not in my state .... because only the
supplier who installed the tanks can fill them. If you want to change
suppliers, you have to get new tanks. Not a huge deal but the supplier
also typically requires a contract that you will buy only from them for
some number of years.


If you own your own tank here, you can shop for propane, but the
supplier we are now using gave us a good deal on the plumbing
necessary for our back up generator, plus a discount on the first
fill, and its prices are competitive. If I wanted, I could change
suppliers, but I have no reason to do so.



Are you going to pay him? If not, the price is irrelevant. Your unpaid
taxes are relevant and will catch up to you.

On Thu, 21 Feb 2013 15:36:15 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

That's the only problem with propane. You really can't shop for
competitive pricing ... at least not in my state .... because only the
supplier who installed the tanks can fill them.

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Is that state law? Sounds like restraint of trade to me. Someone
should challenge it in court.

On 2/21/2013 8:10 PM, Wayne B wrote:
On Thu, 21 Feb 2013 15:36:15 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

That's the only problem with propane. You really can't shop for
competitive pricing ... at least not in my state .... because only the
supplier who installed the tanks can fill them.

===

Is that state law? Sounds like restraint of trade to me. Someone
should challenge it in court.


They passed the laws based on the pretense that they don't want to put
gas into unknown equipment. It's inaccurate to say you can't shop
around, you can but to switch you have to get the new folks to bring in
their own tanks and usually that either costs, or means a contract...

In article ,
says...

On 2/21/2013 8:10 PM, Wayne B wrote:
On Thu, 21 Feb 2013 15:36:15 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

That's the only problem with propane. You really can't shop for
competitive pricing ... at least not in my state .... because only the
supplier who installed the tanks can fill them.

===

Is that state law? Sounds like restraint of trade to me. Someone
should challenge it in court.


They passed the laws based on the pretense that they don't want to put
gas into unknown equipment. It's inaccurate to say you can't shop
around, you can but to switch you have to get the new folks to bring in
their own tanks and usually that either costs, or means a contract...

But YOU said that Harry was lying about his propane cost!!!!

"Wayne B" wrote in message
...

On Thu, 21 Feb 2013 15:36:15 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

That's the only problem with propane. You really can't shop for
competitive pricing ... at least not in my state .... because only
the
supplier who installed the tanks can fill them.

===

Is that state law? Sounds like restraint of trade to me. Someone
should challenge it in court.

==========================

I really don't know if it's a state law or just a policy of the
propane suppliers. I am sure the concern is liability.

To the best of my knowledge the same is (or was) true in Florida. We
had a propane powered spa heater in one of the houses down there and
when I called a supplier to fill it he told me he couldn't unless he
installed a tank provided by him. I've never investigated buying our
own tanks as Harry mentioned but again, we really don't use enough
propane up here to make it an issue.

I had a friend who lived on Long Island who installed a propane heater
for his pool and then regretted it as he watched his tank being filled
weekly.
When we put our pool in here in MA, I went for an electric heater.
It's big (150,000 BTU heat pump) but we only use it to initially get
the water temp up in the spring and then later in the fall to extend
the pool use a bit. Most of the time it is off.

When they were putting the pool in, the electrical contractor was
trying to sell us a whole house, propane powered generator. He said
we could tie it into the 100 gallon tank we have for the garage
heater. He ran all the wiring for it but, after thinking about it,
I elected to hold off on it. That was 7 years ago. The number of
times we have been without power for any extended period of time in
the last 7 years just doesn't justify the cost of a huge generator
like that, plus it would also go through propane fast.

The longest period we've gone without power was for 3 days and that
was two weeks ago during the "blizzard". Even if we had the big
generator, we would not have been able to get more propane for it if
it ran low because nobody could drive anywhere due to the fallen trees
and power lines. We got by fine using the little Honda EU2000i. I
ran power to a refrigerator, a couple of lights and to the furnace.
The little generator worked great and It used a total of about 6
gallons of gasoline over the 3 day period. The furnace, circulating
pump and a couple of booster fans only draws 5.6 amps according to my
clamp-on ammeter. A refrigerator only draws 2 amps or less in normal
operation (compressor only). The little Honda maxes out at about
13.4 amps (continuous duty and a peak of 16.7 amps for starting
currents, etc.) so it had no problem running a refrigerator and a
couple of those new type lights. The only time it was really loaded
was when the refrigerator went into a defrost cycle when the refrig
draws about 6 amps, but that only happens once a day. If I noticed
it, I just unplugged the furnace for that period of time. Most of the
time it ran at the low RPM (Eco mode) level. It would run for 9
hours on a fill-up of a gallon of gas.

I also just found out that you can purchase a special fuel cap for it
that allows you to connect it to an auxiliary fuel tank (looks like a
fuel tank for a small outboard motor). That would give you a six
gallon capacity and it could run continuously for days.