On 1/4/2013 4:25 AM, Tim wrote:

And the Texas A&M study has nothing to do with a boating news group
Neither does this for any matter-
http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/t...dle-of-the-gun

Sam is a thoughtful and reasonable guy. I hope you've given all his
writings equal consideration.

On 1/4/13 12:33 PM, thumper wrote:
On 1/4/2013 4:25 AM, Tim wrote:

And the Texas A&M study has nothing to do with a boating news group
Neither does this for any matter-
http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/t...dle-of-the-gun

Sam is a thoughtful and reasonable guy. I hope you've given all his
writings equal consideration.



Sam is also a well-known atheist who has strong thoughts that are
anti-religion.

On Jan 4, 11:33*am, thumper wrote:
On 1/4/2013 4:25 AM, Tim wrote:

And the Texas A&M study has nothing to do with a boating news group
Neither does this for any matter-
http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/t...dle-of-the-gun

Sam is a thoughtful and reasonable guy. *I hope you've given all his
writings equal consideration.

I have on his firearm views....

In article , lid says...

On 1/4/2013 4:25 AM, Tim wrote:

And the Texas A&M study has nothing to do with a boating news group
Neither does this for any matter-
http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/t...dle-of-the-gun

Sam is a thoughtful and reasonable guy. I hope you've given all his
writings equal consideration.

Real slick gun nut.
"But, unlike my friends, I own several guns and train with them
regularly. Every month or two, I spend a full day shooting with a highly
qualified instructor. This is an expensive and time-consuming habit, but
I view it as part of my responsibility as a gun owner."

This guy's mind is grounded in fear - and guns. He should be a cop or
join a para-military group.
Shows a revolver as the article graphic.
How many of his "several guns" are high cap mag Glocks or other semi-
autos? Maybe a Bushmaster waiting for somebody to take it away from his
scared sorry ass after capping him?

"According to Gallup, 16 percent of American men carry knives for
personal protection......"

****ing moron. He believes that?
He's a typical gun nut, scared, obsessed with his guns, and can't see
the forest for the trees.
Otherwise he wouldn't be obsessing on guns and bull**** about guns.
Here's how it works. Where there's more guns and firepower, there's
more gun deaths. Simple as that. If CCW and SYG states have more gun
deaths, it's not because of CCW or SYG, it's because those states have
more guns. Gun culture states.
If this guy was simply concerned about defending his home, he'd get a
cheap revolver or shotgun and put them somewhere he could get to them.
A good revolver or shotgun if he wants. Spend a day at the range.
That's all anybody but a moron needs to get good enough with a gun.
If he travels where his fear gets the best of him, get a CCW and carry.
That's it. He can do it. Nobody's stopping him.
Then he'd just shut the **** up about guns.
But nooooo, he writes loads of gun nuttery to justify his gun fetish.
This guy is just another gun nut, justifying assault rifles, equating
guns with knives and box cutters, talking about how you you don't need a
gun to do mass murder, blah ****ing blah.
Oh, and he is so concerned about "the children."
Asshole. He said NOTHING that couldn't come straight from the NRA.
His basic answer to gun deaths is "more guns."
And then there's his dog whistling about "liberals,' like liberals
aren't gun nuts too. Like Krause.

On Jan 4, 5:50*pm, Boating All Out wrote:


"Where there's more guns and firepower, there's
more gun deaths. Simple as that. If CCW and SYG states have more gun
deaths, it's not because of CCW or SYG, it's because those states have
more guns. Gun culture states. "

Montana and the Dakota's have the fewest homicides and gun deaths of
any state, but they also have the most gun ownership per capita than
anywhere in the nation

On 1/4/2013 4:51 PM, Tim wrote:
On Jan 4, 5:50 pm, Boating All Out wrote:

"Where there's more guns and firepower, there's
more gun deaths. Simple as that. If CCW and SYG states have more gun
deaths, it's not because of CCW or SYG, it's because those states have
more guns. Gun culture states. "

Montana and the Dakota's have the fewest homicides and gun deaths of
any state, but they also have the most gun ownership per capita than
anywhere in the nation

2011
state firearm murders/100K

LA 10.16
MS 7.46
SC 5.41

ND 0.93
MT 0.76
SD 0.68

RI 0.57
NH 0.53
HI 0.07

On 1/4/2013 6:50 PM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article , lid says...

On 1/4/2013 4:25 AM, Tim wrote:

And the Texas A&M study has nothing to do with a boating news group
Neither does this for any matter-
http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/t...dle-of-the-gun

Sam is a thoughtful and reasonable guy. I hope you've given all his
writings equal consideration.

Real slick gun nut.
"But, unlike my friends, I own several guns and train with them
regularly. Every month or two, I spend a full day shooting with a highly
qualified instructor. This is an expensive and time-consuming habit, but
I view it as part of my responsibility as a gun owner."

This guy's mind is grounded in fear - and guns. He should be a cop or
join a para-military group.
Shows a revolver as the article graphic.
How many of his "several guns" are high cap mag Glocks or other semi-
autos? Maybe a Bushmaster waiting for somebody to take it away from his
scared sorry ass after capping him?

"According to Gallup, 16 percent of American men carry knives for
personal protection......"

****ing moron. He believes that?
He's a typical gun nut, scared, obsessed with his guns, and can't see
the forest for the trees.
Otherwise he wouldn't be obsessing on guns and bull**** about guns.
Here's how it works. Where there's more guns and firepower, there's
more gun deaths. Simple as that. If CCW and SYG states have more gun
deaths, it's not because of CCW or SYG, it's because those states have
more guns. Gun culture states.
If this guy was simply concerned about defending his home, he'd get a
cheap revolver or shotgun and put them somewhere he could get to them.
A good revolver or shotgun if he wants. Spend a day at the range.
That's all anybody but a moron needs to get good enough with a gun.
If he travels where his fear gets the best of him, get a CCW and carry.
That's it. He can do it. Nobody's stopping him.
Then he'd just shut the **** up about guns.
But nooooo, he writes loads of gun nuttery to justify his gun fetish.
This guy is just another gun nut, justifying assault rifles, equating
guns with knives and box cutters, talking about how you you don't need a
gun to do mass murder, blah ****ing blah.
Oh, and he is so concerned about "the children."
Asshole. He said NOTHING that couldn't come straight from the NRA.
His basic answer to gun deaths is "more guns."
And then there's his dog whistling about "liberals,' like liberals
aren't gun nuts too. Like Krause.





Waaaaaahhhhh LOL!

On 1/4/13 10:51 PM, thumper wrote:
On 1/4/2013 4:51 PM, Tim wrote:
On Jan 4, 5:50 pm, Boating All Out wrote:

"Where there's more guns and firepower, there's
more gun deaths. Simple as that. If CCW and SYG states have more gun
deaths, it's not because of CCW or SYG, it's because those states have
more guns. Gun culture states. "

Montana and the Dakota's have the fewest homicides and gun deaths of
any state, but they also have the most gun ownership per capita than
anywhere in the nation

2011
state firearm murders/100K

LA 10.16
MS 7.46
SC 5.41

ND 0.93
MT 0.76
SD 0.68

RI 0.57
NH 0.53
HI 0.07



American Gun Deaths to Exceed Traffic Fatalities by 2015
By Chris Christoff and Ilan Kolet on December 19, 2012



Guns and cars have long been among the leading causes of non-medical
deaths in the U.S. By 2015, firearm fatalities will probably exceed
traffic fatalities for the first time, based on data compiled by Bloomberg.

While motor-vehicle deaths dropped 22 percent from 2005 to 2010, gun
fatalities are rising again after a low point in 2000, according to the
Atlanta-based Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Shooting
deaths in 2015 will probably rise to almost 33,000, and those related to
autos will decline to about 32,000, based on the 10-year average trend.

As the nation reels from the massacre at Sandy Hook Elementary School,
the shift shows the effects of public policy, said Garen Wintemute,
director of the Violence Prevention Research Program at the University
of California, Davis.

The fall in traffic deaths resulted from safer vehicles, restricted
privileges for young drivers and seat-belt and other laws, he said. By
contrast, “we’ve made policy decisions that have had the impact of
making the widest array of firearms available to the widest array of
people under the widest array of conditions.” While fewer households
have guns, people who own guns are buying more of them, he said.

The Dec. 14 slaying of 20 children and six adults at the school in
Newtown, Connecticut, reignited a debate over gun violence. While mass
murders are rare, shootings aren’t. About 85 Americans are shot dead
daily -- 53 of them suicides. Every day, one of those killed by firearms
is 14 or younger.

‘Game Changer’

Of the total, the CDC data show, 16 are between the ages of 15 and 24,
mostly homicide victims. Wintemute said more than 200 people go to U.S.
emergency rooms every day with gunshot wounds.

Gun deaths by homicide, suicide or accident peaked at 37,666 in 1993
before declining to a low of 28,393 in 2000, the data show. Since then
the total has risen to 31,328 in 2010, an increase of 2,935, or eight
more victims a day.

At the same time, violent crime and murder rates have fallen in the
U.S., said Daniel Webster, director of the Johns Hopkins University
Center for Gun Policy and Research in Baltimore. Homicides may be up
this year, though the murder rate from 2006 to 2011 fell 19 percent, to
4.7 for every 100,000 people, Webster said in an e-mail.

While recent gun sales haven’t led to an increase in crime, research
indicates that over time, higher levels of gun ownership are associated
with increased rates of homicide and suicide, Webster said. The Sandy
Hook killings are a “potential game changer” for gun-control laws and
the response to it unlike any incident he’s seen in 20 years of studying
gun violence, he said.
Police Crackdowns

“We haven’t had a year like 2012 for mass shootings before, with each
one being more disturbing than the last,” Webster said. “It’s harder to
chalk this up to random acts than to flaws in our gun laws.”

The drop in gun deaths since 1993 may be a result of less violence from
drug trafficking, more people incarcerated and more police crackdowns on
illegal firearms, according to both Webster and Wintemute.

The percentage of gun-owning households has fallen since 2004 to 32
percent in 2010, according to the General Social Survey by NORC at the
University of Chicago. The survey indicates at least 1.8 firearms per
household, or at least 70 million in households nationwide, said Tom
Smith, the survey’s principal investigator.
Safer Driving

It’s impossible to verify how many guns are owned legally or illegally,
Webster said. A survey eight years ago pegged the number of firearms
around 300 million, he said.

Traffic fatalities in 2011 were the lowest since 1949, according to the
National Highway Traffic Safety Administration. Although drivers in the
U.S. logged fewer miles than in 2010, the fatality rate was the lowest
on record, 1.1 deaths for each 100 million vehicle miles driven.

There were 53,524 motor-vehicle deaths in 1979, compared with a
projected 33,975 this year, according to the data compiled by Bloomberg.

“In the past several decades, we’ve seen remarkable improvements in both
the way motorists behave on our roadways and in the safety of the
vehicles they drive,” according to a Dec. 10 statement by the agency.

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says...

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On 1/4/2013 4:25 AM, Tim wrote:

And the Texas A&M study has nothing to do with a boating news group
Neither does this for any matter-
http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/t...dle-of-the-gun

Sam is a thoughtful and reasonable guy. I hope you've given all his
writings equal consideration.

Real slick gun nut.
"But, unlike my friends, I own several guns and train with them
regularly. Every month or two, I spend a full day shooting with a highly
qualified instructor. This is an expensive and time-consuming habit, but
I view it as part of my responsibility as a gun owner."

This guy's mind is grounded in fear - and guns. He should be a cop or
join a para-military group.
Shows a revolver as the article graphic.
How many of his "several guns" are high cap mag Glocks or other semi-
autos? Maybe a Bushmaster waiting for somebody to take it away from his
scared sorry ass after capping him?

"According to Gallup, 16 percent of American men carry knives for
personal protection......"

****ing moron. He believes that?
He's a typical gun nut, scared, obsessed with his guns, and can't see
the forest for the trees.
Otherwise he wouldn't be obsessing on guns and bull**** about guns.
Here's how it works. Where there's more guns and firepower, there's
more gun deaths. Simple as that. If CCW and SYG states have more gun
deaths, it's not because of CCW or SYG, it's because those states have
more guns. Gun culture states.
If this guy was simply concerned about defending his home, he'd get a
cheap revolver or shotgun and put them somewhere he could get to them.
A good revolver or shotgun if he wants. Spend a day at the range.
That's all anybody but a moron needs to get good enough with a gun.
If he travels where his fear gets the best of him, get a CCW and carry.
That's it. He can do it. Nobody's stopping him.
Then he'd just shut the **** up about guns.
But nooooo, he writes loads of gun nuttery to justify his gun fetish.
This guy is just another gun nut, justifying assault rifles, equating
guns with knives and box cutters, talking about how you you don't need a
gun to do mass murder, blah ****ing blah.
Oh, and he is so concerned about "the children."
Asshole. He said NOTHING that couldn't come straight from the NRA.
His basic answer to gun deaths is "more guns."
And then there's his dog whistling about "liberals,' like liberals
aren't gun nuts too. Like Krause.

The NRA gun nuts don't realize there are other ways to protect yourself
than with weapons. To them there is only one thing, guns, more guns and
bigger guns.

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On Jan 4, 5:50*pm, Boating All Out wrote:


"Where there's more guns and firepower, there's
more gun deaths. Simple as that. If CCW and SYG states have more gun
deaths, it's not because of CCW or SYG, it's because those states have
more guns. Gun culture states. "

Montana and the Dakota's have the fewest homicides and gun deaths of
any state, but they also have the most gun ownership per capita than
anywhere in the nation

I agree, more guns, more gun deaths. Wouldn't the reverse be true then?
Less guns, less gun deaths. Seems a pretty simple solution to me!