In article , lid says...

On 1/4/2013 4:25 AM, Tim wrote:

And the Texas A&M study has nothing to do with a boating news group
Neither does this for any matter-
http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/t...dle-of-the-gun

Sam is a thoughtful and reasonable guy. I hope you've given all his
writings equal consideration.

Real slick gun nut.
"But, unlike my friends, I own several guns and train with them
regularly. Every month or two, I spend a full day shooting with a highly
qualified instructor. This is an expensive and time-consuming habit, but
I view it as part of my responsibility as a gun owner."

This guy's mind is grounded in fear - and guns. He should be a cop or
join a para-military group.
Shows a revolver as the article graphic.
How many of his "several guns" are high cap mag Glocks or other semi-
autos? Maybe a Bushmaster waiting for somebody to take it away from his
scared sorry ass after capping him?

"According to Gallup, 16 percent of American men carry knives for
personal protection......"

****ing moron. He believes that?
He's a typical gun nut, scared, obsessed with his guns, and can't see
the forest for the trees.
Otherwise he wouldn't be obsessing on guns and bull**** about guns.
Here's how it works. Where there's more guns and firepower, there's
more gun deaths. Simple as that. If CCW and SYG states have more gun
deaths, it's not because of CCW or SYG, it's because those states have
more guns. Gun culture states.
If this guy was simply concerned about defending his home, he'd get a
cheap revolver or shotgun and put them somewhere he could get to them.
A good revolver or shotgun if he wants. Spend a day at the range.
That's all anybody but a moron needs to get good enough with a gun.
If he travels where his fear gets the best of him, get a CCW and carry.
That's it. He can do it. Nobody's stopping him.
Then he'd just shut the **** up about guns.
But nooooo, he writes loads of gun nuttery to justify his gun fetish.
This guy is just another gun nut, justifying assault rifles, equating
guns with knives and box cutters, talking about how you you don't need a
gun to do mass murder, blah ****ing blah.
Oh, and he is so concerned about "the children."
Asshole. He said NOTHING that couldn't come straight from the NRA.
His basic answer to gun deaths is "more guns."
And then there's his dog whistling about "liberals,' like liberals
aren't gun nuts too. Like Krause.

On Jan 3, 3:46*pm, ESAD wrote:
Whatever the merits of "Stand Your Ground" laws, they appear to increase
homicides by at least 7%, reports NPR. It cites a Texas A&M study of the
23 states that have enacted "Stand Your Ground" laws since 2005.
Researchers looked at the homicide rate in those states pre- and
post-law, as well as the rates of non-Stand Your Ground states. It
determined between 500 and 700 additional homicides take place annually
as a result. "These laws lower the cost of using lethal force," says
Mark Hoekstra, the economist behind the study. "Our study finds that, as
a result, you get more of it. Homicides go up by 7% to 9% in states that
pass the laws."

http://tinyurl.com/ah9gucl

You don't have to live in a Stand your Ground State to have an
increase in gun crime...

Chicago homicides are up 15 percent this year compared to the same
period last year, according to RedEye data. Homicides were up 60
percent in March compared to 2011 but the rate has slowed since then.

http://homicides.redeyechicago.com/#...ll-reaches-500

On Fri, 4 Jan 2013 04:37:29 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

You don't have to live in a Stand your Ground State to have an
increase in gun crime...

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The real issue is whether or not there is a demonstrable linkage
between the "Stand Your Ground" laws and the increased homicide rate?

- Are the homicides related to self defense situations, claimed or
actual, i.e., justifiable homicide?

- Is it possible that states with high or increasing homicide rates
are more likely to enact Stand Your Ground legislation?

I think that conceptually the stand your ground laws are a good thing,
mainly because it takes some of the murkiness away from self defense
situations. A person should not have to spend hundreds of thousands
of dollars on legal defense expenses just because they chose to
defend themselves against an attack.

On Jan 4, 7:05*am, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 4 Jan 2013 04:37:29 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

You don't have to live in a Stand your Ground State to have an
increase in gun crime...

===

The real issue is whether or not there is a demonstrable linkage
between the "Stand Your Ground" laws and the increased homicide rate?

- *Are the homicides related to self defense situations, claimed or
actual, i.e., justifiable homicide?

- Is it possible that states with high or increasing homicide rates
are more likely to enact Stand Your Ground legislation?

I think that conceptually the stand your ground laws are a good thing,
mainly because it takes some of the murkiness away from self defense
situations. * A person should not have to spend hundreds of thousands
of dollars on legal defense expenses *just because they chose to
defend themselves against an attack.

agreed!