Whatever the merits of "Stand Your Ground" laws, they appear to increase
homicides by at least 7%, reports NPR. It cites a Texas A&M study of the
23 states that have enacted "Stand Your Ground" laws since 2005.
Researchers looked at the homicide rate in those states pre- and
post-law, as well as the rates of non-Stand Your Ground states. It
determined between 500 and 700 additional homicides take place annually
as a result. "These laws lower the cost of using lethal force," says
Mark Hoekstra, the economist behind the study. "Our study finds that, as
a result, you get more of it. Homicides go up by 7% to 9% in states that
pass the laws."

http://tinyurl.com/ah9gucl

On Jan 3, 3:46*pm, ESAD wrote:
Whatever the merits of "Stand Your Ground" laws, they appear to increase
homicides by at least 7%, reports NPR. It cites a Texas A&M study of the
23 states that have enacted "Stand Your Ground" laws since 2005.
Researchers looked at the homicide rate in those states pre- and
post-law, as well as the rates of non-Stand Your Ground states. It
determined between 500 and 700 additional homicides take place annually
as a result. "These laws lower the cost of using lethal force," says
Mark Hoekstra, the economist behind the study. "Our study finds that, as
a result, you get more of it. Homicides go up by 7% to 9% in states that
pass the laws."

http://tinyurl.com/ah9gucl

I dont' agree with the assesment-

Chicago is a very "blue" city in a very 'blue' state, and it is no
"Stand your Ground" City in a no "stand your ground" state...and that
city has some of the strictest gun laws of any place in the nation and
the gun crime beats out NYC, Detroit, and just about every other
major metro area in our country.

Two homicides in the Chicago-land area on New Years eve and 5 already
this year

http://homicides.redeyechicago.com/date/2013/1/

On Jan 3, 9:03*pm, Tim wrote:


Two homicides in the Chicago-land area on New Years eve and 5 already
this year

http://homicides.redeyechicago.com/date/2013/1/


I take that back.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/l...,6730065.story

On 1/3/13 10:03 PM, Tim wrote:
On Jan 3, 3:46 pm, ESAD wrote:
Whatever the merits of "Stand Your Ground" laws, they appear to increase
homicides by at least 7%, reports NPR. It cites a Texas A&M study of the
23 states that have enacted "Stand Your Ground" laws since 2005.
Researchers looked at the homicide rate in those states pre- and
post-law, as well as the rates of non-Stand Your Ground states. It
determined between 500 and 700 additional homicides take place annually
as a result. "These laws lower the cost of using lethal force," says
Mark Hoekstra, the economist behind the study. "Our study finds that, as
a result, you get more of it. Homicides go up by 7% to 9% in states that
pass the laws."

http://tinyurl.com/ah9gucl

I dont' agree with the assesment-

Chicago is a very "blue" city in a very 'blue' state, and it is no
"Stand your Ground" City in a no "stand your ground" state...and that
city has some of the strictest gun laws of any place in the nation and
the gun crime beats out NYC, Detroit, and just about every other
major metro area in our country.

Two homicides in the Chicago-land area on New Years eve and 5 already
this year

http://homicides.redeyechicago.com/date/2013/1/


Which has nothing to do with the Texas A&M study.

On Jan 4, 5:39*am, ESAD wrote:
On 1/3/13 10:03 PM, Tim wrote:









On Jan 3, 3:46 pm, ESAD wrote:
Whatever the merits of "Stand Your Ground" laws, they appear to increase
homicides by at least 7%, reports NPR. It cites a Texas A&M study of the
23 states that have enacted "Stand Your Ground" laws since 2005.
Researchers looked at the homicide rate in those states pre- and
post-law, as well as the rates of non-Stand Your Ground states. It
determined between 500 and 700 additional homicides take place annually
as a result. "These laws lower the cost of using lethal force," says
Mark Hoekstra, the economist behind the study. "Our study finds that, as
a result, you get more of it. Homicides go up by 7% to 9% in states that
pass the laws."

http://tinyurl.com/ah9gucl

I dont' agree with the assesment-

Chicago is a very "blue" city in a very 'blue' state, and it is no
"Stand your Ground" *City in a no "stand your ground" state...and that
city has some of the strictest gun laws of any place in the nation and
the gun crime beats out NYC, *Detroit, and just about every other
major metro area in our country.

Two homicides in the Chicago-land area on New Years eve and 5 already
this year

http://homicides.redeyechicago.com/date/2013/1/

Which has nothing to do with the Texas A&M study.

And the Texas A&M study has nothing to do with a boating news group

Neither does this for any matter-

http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/t...dle-of-the-gun

On 1/4/13 7:25 AM, Tim wrote:
On Jan 4, 5:39 am, ESAD wrote:
On 1/3/13 10:03 PM, Tim wrote:









On Jan 3, 3:46 pm, ESAD wrote:
Whatever the merits of "Stand Your Ground" laws, they appear to increase
homicides by at least 7%, reports NPR. It cites a Texas A&M study of the
23 states that have enacted "Stand Your Ground" laws since 2005.
Researchers looked at the homicide rate in those states pre- and
post-law, as well as the rates of non-Stand Your Ground states. It
determined between 500 and 700 additional homicides take place annually
as a result. "These laws lower the cost of using lethal force," says
Mark Hoekstra, the economist behind the study. "Our study finds that, as
a result, you get more of it. Homicides go up by 7% to 9% in states that
pass the laws."

http://tinyurl.com/ah9gucl

I dont' agree with the assesment-

Chicago is a very "blue" city in a very 'blue' state, and it is no
"Stand your Ground" City in a no "stand your ground" state...and that
city has some of the strictest gun laws of any place in the nation and
the gun crime beats out NYC, Detroit, and just about every other
major metro area in our country.

Two homicides in the Chicago-land area on New Years eve and 5 already
this year

http://homicides.redeyechicago.com/date/2013/1/

Which has nothing to do with the Texas A&M study.

And the Texas A&M study has nothing to do with a boating news group

Neither do abo0ut 98% of the posts in this boating newsgroup.

On Jan 3, 3:46*pm, ESAD wrote:
Whatever the merits of "Stand Your Ground" laws, they appear to increase
homicides by at least 7%, reports NPR. It cites a Texas A&M study of the
23 states that have enacted "Stand Your Ground" laws since 2005.
Researchers looked at the homicide rate in those states pre- and
post-law, as well as the rates of non-Stand Your Ground states. It
determined between 500 and 700 additional homicides take place annually
as a result. "These laws lower the cost of using lethal force," says
Mark Hoekstra, the economist behind the study. "Our study finds that, as
a result, you get more of it. Homicides go up by 7% to 9% in states that
pass the laws."

http://tinyurl.com/ah9gucl

You don't have to live in a Stand your Ground State to have an
increase in gun crime...

Chicago homicides are up 15 percent this year compared to the same
period last year, according to RedEye data. Homicides were up 60
percent in March compared to 2011 but the rate has slowed since then.

http://homicides.redeyechicago.com/#...ll-reaches-500

On Fri, 4 Jan 2013 04:37:29 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

You don't have to live in a Stand your Ground State to have an
increase in gun crime...

===

The real issue is whether or not there is a demonstrable linkage
between the "Stand Your Ground" laws and the increased homicide rate?

- Are the homicides related to self defense situations, claimed or
actual, i.e., justifiable homicide?

- Is it possible that states with high or increasing homicide rates
are more likely to enact Stand Your Ground legislation?

I think that conceptually the stand your ground laws are a good thing,
mainly because it takes some of the murkiness away from self defense
situations. A person should not have to spend hundreds of thousands
of dollars on legal defense expenses just because they chose to
defend themselves against an attack.

On Jan 4, 7:05*am, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 4 Jan 2013 04:37:29 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

You don't have to live in a Stand your Ground State to have an
increase in gun crime...

===

The real issue is whether or not there is a demonstrable linkage
between the "Stand Your Ground" laws and the increased homicide rate?

- *Are the homicides related to self defense situations, claimed or
actual, i.e., justifiable homicide?

- Is it possible that states with high or increasing homicide rates
are more likely to enact Stand Your Ground legislation?

I think that conceptually the stand your ground laws are a good thing,
mainly because it takes some of the murkiness away from self defense
situations. * A person should not have to spend hundreds of thousands
of dollars on legal defense expenses *just because they chose to
defend themselves against an attack.

agreed!

And the Texas A&M study has nothing to do with a boating news group

Neither do abo0ut 98% of the posts in this boating newsgroup.


The 2% matters but your horse**** doesn't doesn't. Have you made enough
to pay your tax bill yet?