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iBoaterer[_2_] January 2nd 13 01:59 PM

The family that keeps on giving...
 
In article m,
says...

On 1/2/2013 12:01 AM,
wrote:
On Tue, 01 Jan 2013 22:20:22 -0600, Califbill
wrote:

ESAD wrote:

Most dysfunctional family ever: the Palins.

They have to work to beat the Kennedy family. Drunk drivers, rapists,
divorce, etc.


You forgot suicides, drug rampant addiction, killing a girlfriend with
a 3 iron and killing Mary Jo in a car


Ted Kennedy is the poster boy for term limits.


No he's not, he's dead.

iBoaterer[_2_] January 2nd 13 02:00 PM

The family that keeps on giving...
 
In article , says...

wrote:
On Tue, 01 Jan 2013 22:20:22 -0600, Califbill
wrote:

ESAD wrote:

Most dysfunctional family ever: the Palins.

They have to work to beat the Kennedy family. Drunk drivers, rapists,
divorce, etc.


You forgot suicides, drug rampant addiction, killing a girlfriend with
a 3 iron and killing Mary Jo in a car


You miss the point. Stupid Sarah tries to claim the "family values" mantle
as do many republicans. The reality is that they don't have any so-called
family values.


It's just like the so called Christian right wing!!

ESAD January 2nd 13 05:45 PM

The family that keeps on giving...
 
On 1/2/13 12:40 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 2 Jan 2013 08:59:57 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

In article m,
says...

On 1/2/2013 12:01 AM,
wrote:
On Tue, 01 Jan 2013 22:20:22 -0600, Califbill
wrote:

ESAD wrote:

Most dysfunctional family ever: the Palins.

They have to work to beat the Kennedy family. Drunk drivers, rapists,
divorce, etc.

You forgot suicides, drug rampant addiction, killing a girlfriend with
a 3 iron and killing Mary Jo in a car


Ted Kennedy is the poster boy for term limits.


No he's not, he's dead.


He should have been in prison.
A lesser person who got drunk and killed someone in a car would be
doing time



How about Bush and Cheney, who lied us into two wars, the result of
which may have resulted in the death of more than a million people?

How about those Americans who willingly waged an immoral war on
southeast Asians in the 1960s and 1970s to prop up a slew of right-wing
dictators so terrible that Buddhist monks set themselves on fire to protest?



iBoaterer[_2_] January 2nd 13 05:56 PM

The family that keeps on giving...
 
In article ,
says...

On Wed, 2 Jan 2013 08:59:57 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

In article m,
says...

On 1/2/2013 12:01 AM,
wrote:
On Tue, 01 Jan 2013 22:20:22 -0600, Califbill
wrote:

ESAD wrote:

Most dysfunctional family ever: the Palins.

They have to work to beat the Kennedy family. Drunk drivers, rapists,
divorce, etc.

You forgot suicides, drug rampant addiction, killing a girlfriend with
a 3 iron and killing Mary Jo in a car


Ted Kennedy is the poster boy for term limits.


No he's not, he's dead.


He should have been in prison.
A lesser person who got drunk and killed someone in a car would be
doing time


And there is the perfect example of why guns should be illegal. Crazed
vigilantes taking the law into their own hands.

iBoaterer[_2_] January 2nd 13 08:11 PM

The family that keeps on giving...
 
In article ,
says...

On Wed, 2 Jan 2013 12:56:36 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...


He should have been in prison.
A lesser person who got drunk and killed someone in a car would be
doing time


And there is the perfect example of why guns should be illegal. Crazed
vigilantes taking the law into their own hands.


I never heard about Moxley or Kopeckne breaking anyone's nose or
pounding their head on the pavement.


What does that have to do with crazed vigilantes taking the law into
their own hands? Of course now if some people went nuts and took
Zimmerman out and shot him, I'd guess that would be terrible eh? Why?
Because you, like other right wing crazies have already established in
your minds that it's all Martin's fault.

Earl[_71_] January 3rd 13 01:32 AM

The family that keeps on giving...
 
wrote:
On Wed, 2 Jan 2013 15:11:25 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...
On Wed, 2 Jan 2013 12:56:36 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...
He should have been in prison.
A lesser person who got drunk and killed someone in a car would be
doing time
And there is the perfect example of why guns should be illegal. Crazed
vigilantes taking the law into their own hands.
I never heard about Moxley or Kopeckne breaking anyone's nose or
pounding their head on the pavement.

What does that have to do with crazed vigilantes taking the law into
their own hands? Of course now if some people went nuts and took
Zimmerman out and shot him, I'd guess that would be terrible eh? Why?
Because you, like other right wing crazies have already established in
your minds that it's all Martin's fault.

Nobody has produced any evidence that Zimmerman was a vigilante. In
fact the number of times he called in the police seems to prove the
opposite. On the other hand, the fight the Martin people are putting
up to prevent disclosure of his school disciplinary records and
perhaps police records seem to imply that there is something there. I
suspect he was more than just a vandal and druggie (established). The
burglary tool and the jewelry seems to imply thief if nothing else.
Zimmerman was probably right that he was casing cars. We still have no
evidence about who started the confrontation but we know Zimmerman was
on the ground with a broken nose and injury to the back of his head
before he defended himself.

I still bet he walks but O'mara is doing his best to bill out every
dime of that defense fund.

He's a punk who should have listened to the cops and let them deal with
it. The outcome could have been very different. Cops have tasers and
bean bag shotguns. The wannabe cop had his gun and a temper.

ESAD January 3rd 13 02:03 AM

The family that keeps on giving...
 
On 1/2/13 8:50 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 02 Jan 2013 20:32:36 -0500, Earl wrote:

wrote:
On Wed, 2 Jan 2013 15:11:25 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...
On Wed, 2 Jan 2013 12:56:36 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...
He should have been in prison.
A lesser person who got drunk and killed someone in a car would be
doing time
And there is the perfect example of why guns should be illegal. Crazed
vigilantes taking the law into their own hands.
I never heard about Moxley or Kopeckne breaking anyone's nose or
pounding their head on the pavement.
What does that have to do with crazed vigilantes taking the law into
their own hands? Of course now if some people went nuts and took
Zimmerman out and shot him, I'd guess that would be terrible eh? Why?
Because you, like other right wing crazies have already established in
your minds that it's all Martin's fault.
Nobody has produced any evidence that Zimmerman was a vigilante. In
fact the number of times he called in the police seems to prove the
opposite. On the other hand, the fight the Martin people are putting
up to prevent disclosure of his school disciplinary records and
perhaps police records seem to imply that there is something there. I
suspect he was more than just a vandal and druggie (established). The
burglary tool and the jewelry seems to imply thief if nothing else.
Zimmerman was probably right that he was casing cars. We still have no
evidence about who started the confrontation but we know Zimmerman was
on the ground with a broken nose and injury to the back of his head
before he defended himself.

I still bet he walks but O'mara is doing his best to bill out every
dime of that defense fund.

He's a punk who should have listened to the cops and let them deal with
it. The outcome could have been very different. Cops have tasers and
bean bag shotguns. The wannabe cop had his gun and a temper.


If you believe Zimmerman, he was walking back to his truck when
confronted by Martin.
It is up to the state to prove that is wrong.
Obviously he did not go for his gun right away or he would not have a
broken nose and head injuries.

I am surprised at his discipline in that he only fired one shot.
The cops in that kind of situation do a magazine dump spraying the
neighborhood.

That certainly bodes well for stationing cops at schools or, even
worse, those with even less firearms training than cops.



BAR[_2_] January 3rd 13 02:05 AM

The family that keeps on giving...
 
In article , says...

On 1/2/13 12:40 PM,
wrote:
On Wed, 2 Jan 2013 08:59:57 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

In article m,
says...

On 1/2/2013 12:01 AM,
wrote:
On Tue, 01 Jan 2013 22:20:22 -0600, Califbill
wrote:

ESAD wrote:

Most dysfunctional family ever: the Palins.

They have to work to beat the Kennedy family. Drunk drivers, rapists,
divorce, etc.

You forgot suicides, drug rampant addiction, killing a girlfriend with
a 3 iron and killing Mary Jo in a car


Ted Kennedy is the poster boy for term limits.

No he's not, he's dead.


He should have been in prison.
A lesser person who got drunk and killed someone in a car would be
doing time



How about Bush and Cheney, who lied us into two wars, the result of
which may have resulted in the death of more than a million people?


Legal murder and illegal murder.

How about those Americans who willingly waged an immoral war on
southeast Asians in the 1960s and 1970s to prop up a slew of right-wing
dictators so terrible that Buddhist monks set themselves on fire to protest?


There is legal and illegal war. There is no such things as a moral war.

JustWait[_2_] January 3rd 13 03:05 AM

The family that keeps on giving...
 
On 1/2/2013 8:32 PM, Earl wrote:
The wannabe cop had his gun and a temper.

..... and you know this how???

JustWait[_2_] January 3rd 13 04:01 AM

The family that keeps on giving...
 
On 1/2/2013 10:48 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 02 Jan 2013 21:03:33 -0500, ESAD wrote:

If you believe Zimmerman, he was walking back to his truck when
confronted by Martin.
It is up to the state to prove that is wrong.
Obviously he did not go for his gun right away or he would not have a
broken nose and head injuries.

I am surprised at his discipline in that he only fired one shot.
The cops in that kind of situation do a magazine dump spraying the
neighborhood.

That certainly bodes well for stationing cops at schools or, even
worse, those with even less firearms training than cops.


I am not convinced cops really get that much firearm training unless
they are on a tactical team. That is why there was standing orders
that cops wait outside in an active shooter situation. They wanted
SWAT to make the entry.

Of course after watching the FBI hostage rescue team in action, I am
not sure I want them coming either.


Yeah, you are doing a typical job of sitting on the fence but the fact
is, we need somebody. For better or worse, weather they can execute or
not, cops get the best training of any group I can think of, on how to
handle weapons in domestic situations such as this...


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