On 1/1/2013 12:32 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 31 Dec 2012 11:37:17 -0500, JustWait
wrote:

On 12/31/2012 11:12 AM, JustWait wrote:


Quite frankly I think the training should be based on the training a
rookie Police Officer comes in with... This might mean a couple years of
night school, but if you are going to have armed anybody in the schools
I think they need all the tools of conflict resolution, physical
ability, tactical awareness, etc that a fully trained Police Officer has.


Why do we think there is something wonderful about the training cops
have?

Because a lot of their training is directed at exactly the type of
incursion we are talking about here...

Remember last summer the cops in New York shot 11 innocent bystanders,
taking down one suspect. They weren't even rookies.


It called "the fog of war"... it was terrible, but it happened. Hey, I
hear a plane crashed once, maybe we just shouldn't fly either...

Do you think a bunch of untrained civilians would do any better? In
fact, can you give me one identifiable group that you think would be
better suited for such duty?

On 1/1/13 12:59 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 1/1/2013 12:32 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 31 Dec 2012 11:37:17 -0500, JustWait
wrote:

On 12/31/2012 11:12 AM, JustWait wrote:


Quite frankly I think the training should be based on the training a
rookie Police Officer comes in with... This might mean a couple years of
night school, but if you are going to have armed anybody in the schools
I think they need all the tools of conflict resolution, physical
ability, tactical awareness, etc that a fully trained Police Officer
has.


Why do we think there is something wonderful about the training cops
have?

Because a lot of their training is directed at exactly the type of
incursion we are talking about here...

Remember last summer the cops in New York shot 11 innocent bystanders,
taking down one suspect. They weren't even rookies.


It called "the fog of war"... it was terrible, but it happened. Hey, I
hear a plane crashed once, maybe we just shouldn't fly either...

Do you think a bunch of untrained civilians would do any better? In
fact, can you give me one identifiable group that you think would be
better suited for such duty?


I think it would be better if we kept armed people of every kind away
from our public schools.

I'd rather we spend that sort of money, or a good portion of it on:

1. Licensing gun owners and guns, and that includes all current gun
owners and their firearms. Licensing to include a mandatory safety
course and demonstration of knowledge at a licensed firing range.

2. No private sales of firearms without a legal paper trail.

3. Drastically increased funding for community mental health screening
and services.

4. Outlawing of firearms that can accommodate more than 10 rounds in a
magazine, and required turning in or permanent modification of existing
firearms.

5. Educational programs in the public schools that teach children how to
resolve conflict without "going Scotty."

In article ,
says...

On 1/1/13 12:59 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 1/1/2013 12:32 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 31 Dec 2012 11:37:17 -0500, JustWait
wrote:

On 12/31/2012 11:12 AM, JustWait wrote:


Quite frankly I think the training should be based on the training a
rookie Police Officer comes in with... This might mean a couple years of
night school, but if you are going to have armed anybody in the schools
I think they need all the tools of conflict resolution, physical
ability, tactical awareness, etc that a fully trained Police Officer
has.


Why do we think there is something wonderful about the training cops
have?

Because a lot of their training is directed at exactly the type of
incursion we are talking about here...

Remember last summer the cops in New York shot 11 innocent bystanders,
taking down one suspect. They weren't even rookies.


It called "the fog of war"... it was terrible, but it happened. Hey, I
hear a plane crashed once, maybe we just shouldn't fly either...

Do you think a bunch of untrained civilians would do any better? In
fact, can you give me one identifiable group that you think would be
better suited for such duty?


I think it would be better if we kept armed people of every kind away
from our public schools.

I'd rather we spend that sort of money, or a good portion of it on:

1. Licensing gun owners and guns, and that includes all current gun
owners and their firearms. Licensing to include a mandatory safety
course and demonstration of knowledge at a licensed firing range.

2. No private sales of firearms without a legal paper trail.

3. Drastically increased funding for community mental health screening
and services.

4. Outlawing of firearms that can accommodate more than 10 rounds in a
magazine, and required turning in or permanent modification of existing
firearms.

5. Educational programs in the public schools that teach children how to
resolve conflict without "going Scotty."

Is that why you live so far away from a school?

On 1/1/2013 7:15 PM, BAR wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 1/1/13 12:59 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 1/1/2013 12:32 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 31 Dec 2012 11:37:17 -0500, JustWait
wrote:

On 12/31/2012 11:12 AM, JustWait wrote:


Quite frankly I think the training should be based on the training a
rookie Police Officer comes in with... This might mean a couple years of
night school, but if you are going to have armed anybody in the schools
I think they need all the tools of conflict resolution, physical
ability, tactical awareness, etc that a fully trained Police Officer
has.


Why do we think there is something wonderful about the training cops
have?

Because a lot of their training is directed at exactly the type of
incursion we are talking about here...

Remember last summer the cops in New York shot 11 innocent bystanders,
taking down one suspect. They weren't even rookies.


It called "the fog of war"... it was terrible, but it happened. Hey, I
hear a plane crashed once, maybe we just shouldn't fly either...

Do you think a bunch of untrained civilians would do any better? In
fact, can you give me one identifiable group that you think would be
better suited for such duty?


I think it would be better if we kept armed people of every kind away
from our public schools.

I'd rather we spend that sort of money, or a good portion of it on:

1. Licensing gun owners and guns, and that includes all current gun
owners and their firearms. Licensing to include a mandatory safety
course and demonstration of knowledge at a licensed firing range.

2. No private sales of firearms without a legal paper trail.

3. Drastically increased funding for community mental health screening
and services.

4. Outlawing of firearms that can accommodate more than 10 rounds in a
magazine, and required turning in or permanent modification of existing
firearms.

5. Educational programs in the public schools that teach children how to
resolve conflict without "going Scotty."

Is that why you live so far away from a school?



He lives that far because Harry Krause is a convicted sexual predator...
back in Florida where he used to live...

On 1/1/13 7:49 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 1/1/2013 7:15 PM, BAR wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 1/1/13 12:59 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 1/1/2013 12:32 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 31 Dec 2012 11:37:17 -0500, JustWait
wrote:

On 12/31/2012 11:12 AM, JustWait wrote:


Quite frankly I think the training should be based on the training a
rookie Police Officer comes in with... This might mean a couple
years of
night school, but if you are going to have armed anybody in the
schools
I think they need all the tools of conflict resolution, physical
ability, tactical awareness, etc that a fully trained Police Officer
has.


Why do we think there is something wonderful about the training cops
have?

Because a lot of their training is directed at exactly the type of
incursion we are talking about here...

Remember last summer the cops in New York shot 11 innocent bystanders,
taking down one suspect. They weren't even rookies.


It called "the fog of war"... it was terrible, but it happened. Hey, I
hear a plane crashed once, maybe we just shouldn't fly either...

Do you think a bunch of untrained civilians would do any better? In
fact, can you give me one identifiable group that you think would be
better suited for such duty?


I think it would be better if we kept armed people of every kind away
from our public schools.

I'd rather we spend that sort of money, or a good portion of it on:

1. Licensing gun owners and guns, and that includes all current gun
owners and their firearms. Licensing to include a mandatory safety
course and demonstration of knowledge at a licensed firing range.

2. No private sales of firearms without a legal paper trail.

3. Drastically increased funding for community mental health screening
and services.

4. Outlawing of firearms that can accommodate more than 10 rounds in a
magazine, and required turning in or permanent modification of existing
firearms.

5. Educational programs in the public schools that teach children how to
resolve conflict without "going Scotty."

Is that why you live so far away from a school?



He lives that far because Harry Krause is a convicted sexual predator...
back in Florida where he used to live...

Still projecting, hey, little boy-man? Oh, there are two public schools
and one church school in our immediate area, within walking distance if
there were sidewalks.

In article ,
says...

On 1/1/13 7:49 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 1/1/2013 7:15 PM, BAR wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 1/1/13 12:59 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 1/1/2013 12:32 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 31 Dec 2012 11:37:17 -0500, JustWait
wrote:

On 12/31/2012 11:12 AM, JustWait wrote:


Quite frankly I think the training should be based on the training a
rookie Police Officer comes in with... This might mean a couple
years of
night school, but if you are going to have armed anybody in the
schools
I think they need all the tools of conflict resolution, physical
ability, tactical awareness, etc that a fully trained Police Officer
has.


Why do we think there is something wonderful about the training cops
have?

Because a lot of their training is directed at exactly the type of
incursion we are talking about here...

Remember last summer the cops in New York shot 11 innocent bystanders,
taking down one suspect. They weren't even rookies.


It called "the fog of war"... it was terrible, but it happened. Hey, I
hear a plane crashed once, maybe we just shouldn't fly either...

Do you think a bunch of untrained civilians would do any better? In
fact, can you give me one identifiable group that you think would be
better suited for such duty?


I think it would be better if we kept armed people of every kind away
from our public schools.

I'd rather we spend that sort of money, or a good portion of it on:

1. Licensing gun owners and guns, and that includes all current gun
owners and their firearms. Licensing to include a mandatory safety
course and demonstration of knowledge at a licensed firing range.

2. No private sales of firearms without a legal paper trail.

3. Drastically increased funding for community mental health screening
and services.

4. Outlawing of firearms that can accommodate more than 10 rounds in a
magazine, and required turning in or permanent modification of existing
firearms.

5. Educational programs in the public schools that teach children how to
resolve conflict without "going Scotty."

Is that why you live so far away from a school?



He lives that far because Harry Krause is a convicted sexual predator...
back in Florida where he used to live...

Still projecting, hey, little boy-man? Oh, there are two public schools
and one church school in our immediate area, within walking distance if
there were sidewalks.

You can't walk anywhere unless there is sidewalks? Figures.

On 1/2/13 8:54 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 1/1/13 7:49 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 1/1/2013 7:15 PM, BAR wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 1/1/13 12:59 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 1/1/2013 12:32 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 31 Dec 2012 11:37:17 -0500, JustWait
wrote:

On 12/31/2012 11:12 AM, JustWait wrote:


Quite frankly I think the training should be based on the training a
rookie Police Officer comes in with... This might mean a couple
years of
night school, but if you are going to have armed anybody in the
schools
I think they need all the tools of conflict resolution, physical
ability, tactical awareness, etc that a fully trained Police Officer
has.


Why do we think there is something wonderful about the training cops
have?

Because a lot of their training is directed at exactly the type of
incursion we are talking about here...

Remember last summer the cops in New York shot 11 innocent bystanders,
taking down one suspect. They weren't even rookies.


It called "the fog of war"... it was terrible, but it happened. Hey, I
hear a plane crashed once, maybe we just shouldn't fly either...

Do you think a bunch of untrained civilians would do any better? In
fact, can you give me one identifiable group that you think would be
better suited for such duty?


I think it would be better if we kept armed people of every kind away
from our public schools.

I'd rather we spend that sort of money, or a good portion of it on:

1. Licensing gun owners and guns, and that includes all current gun
owners and their firearms. Licensing to include a mandatory safety
course and demonstration of knowledge at a licensed firing range.

2. No private sales of firearms without a legal paper trail.

3. Drastically increased funding for community mental health screening
and services.

4. Outlawing of firearms that can accommodate more than 10 rounds in a
magazine, and required turning in or permanent modification of existing
firearms.

5. Educational programs in the public schools that teach children how to
resolve conflict without "going Scotty."

Is that why you live so far away from a school?



He lives that far because Harry Krause is a convicted sexual predator...
back in Florida where he used to live...

Still projecting, hey, little boy-man? Oh, there are two public schools
and one church school in our immediate area, within walking distance if
there were sidewalks.

You can't walk anywhere unless there is sidewalks? Figures.


Do you have to work extra hard at being stupid or does it come naturally?

To walk to the three schools in our immediate area, you'd have to walk
on the side of several state roads, one of which is a very narrow
two-laner with lots of blind spots and the other with heavy traffic
during rush hour. For different reasons, both roads are dangerous for
pedestrians.

That's why the county runs school buses to pick up the kids, even though
their schools are within easy walking distance.

In article , says...

On 1/1/2013 12:32 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 31 Dec 2012 11:37:17 -0500, JustWait
wrote:

On 12/31/2012 11:12 AM, JustWait wrote:


Quite frankly I think the training should be based on the training a
rookie Police Officer comes in with... This might mean a couple years of
night school, but if you are going to have armed anybody in the schools
I think they need all the tools of conflict resolution, physical
ability, tactical awareness, etc that a fully trained Police Officer has.


Why do we think there is something wonderful about the training cops
have?

Because a lot of their training is directed at exactly the type of
incursion we are talking about here...

Bull****.

Remember last summer the cops in New York shot 11 innocent bystanders,
taking down one suspect. They weren't even rookies.


It called "the fog of war"... it was terrible, but it happened. Hey, I
hear a plane crashed once, maybe we just shouldn't fly either...

"it happened".... Will you say the same thing when I bunch of elementary
school kids are caught in the crossfire because some NRA zealot goes
nuts when someone brings a squirt gun to school?

Do you think a bunch of untrained civilians would do any better? In
fact, can you give me one identifiable group that you think would be
better suited for such duty?

No, and I don't think our grade schools are the place for guns.

In article , says...

On 1/1/2013 12:32 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 31 Dec 2012 11:37:17 -0500, JustWait
wrote:

On 12/31/2012 11:12 AM, JustWait wrote:


Quite frankly I think the training should be based on the training a
rookie Police Officer comes in with... This might mean a couple years of
night school, but if you are going to have armed anybody in the schools
I think they need all the tools of conflict resolution, physical
ability, tactical awareness, etc that a fully trained Police Officer has.


Why do we think there is something wonderful about the training cops
have?

Because a lot of their training is directed at exactly the type of
incursion we are talking about here...


He flat out ignored all you said about human interaction.
To a gun nut it's all about guns. The typical gun nut owns many more
guns than a cop, and unlike a cop, sees pulling a gun as first option.


Remember last summer the cops in New York shot 11 innocent bystanders,
taking down one suspect. They weren't even rookies.


It called "the fog of war"... it was terrible, but it happened. Hey, I
hear a plane crashed once, maybe we just shouldn't fly either...


The cops didn't take "down one suspect."
They killed a murdering gun nut pointing a .45 at them.
"Detectives searching Johnson's apartment found books on training and
fighting skills such as "Techniques and Equipment of the Deadly Marksmen
Snipers" and "Attack Proof - the Ultimate Guide to Personal
Protection," the source said."
Besides that, he legally purchased the gun - wait for it - in Florida.
Nine civilians were injured, not eleven. All but 3 grazed by bullet or
concrete pottery fragments. Patched and released. The other 3 were
hospitalized with injuries said to be "not serious."
"They weren't even rookies." No, they were 15 year veterans.
And had never fired a shot in the line of duty.
A gun nut probably thinks cops should "go looking" for REAL combat
situations. You know - practice.
Fired 16 rounds - NYPD uses hollow points - and hit with 10.
Not good enough for the gun nut though. A gun nut would know how to
handle another gun nut better.
Riiiiight.


Do you think a bunch of untrained civilians would do any better? In
fact, can you give me one identifiable group that you think would be
better suited for such duty?

Pretty sure gfretwell would say AGNA - American Gun Nut Association.
That's their answer to gun violence - more guns.
Kudos to you Scotty, for injecting some sense into this conversation.
I don't usually think about the gun nut element of people.
Don't run in that crowd.
Now it's more clear why you are disgusted by krause, another gun nut.
Always talking about he would "defend himself" with his guns.
As crazy as you are, you're a a couple notches saner than a gun nut.
Yeah, I know, faint praise. All I got.

On 1/1/13 5:32 PM, Boating All Out wrote:

Now it's more clear why you are disgusted by krause, another gun nut.
Always talking about he would "defend himself" with his guns.
As crazy as you are, you're a a couple notches saner than a gun nut.
Yeah, I know, faint praise. All I got.



You seem unable to understand what you read. I certainly will defend
with a firearm from a home invader. That's about it. That doesn't make
me a gun nut.