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"...a sad day..."
On 12/24/2012 8:47 PM, Earl wrote:
ESAD wrote: On 12/24/12 2:24 PM, JustWait wrote: On 12/24/2012 1:07 PM, BAR wrote: In article , says... On 12/24/12 11:29 AM, wrote: On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 09:30:25 -0500, ESAD wrote: "It will be a sad day for this country if children can safely attend their classes only under the protection of armed guards." President Dwight D. Eisenhower on the violence aimed at black Americans in September 1957 at Central High School in Little Rock, Arkansas. Eisenhower sent in the troops to protect children from the terrorists who were keeping them from attending school. There have been cops in middle and high schools here for decades but they are only there to catch a kid smoking a joint in the bathroom. The cop at Columbine was under specific orders not to engage an active shooter. I agree that to actually be effective a "guard" should get extensive training and that should be in conjunction with a planned procedure about what everyone else will be doing. Back in my high school days, we had a plainclothes police officer assigned permanently. He was armed, but I doubt he ever had to use his pistol, not back then. If memory serves, his name was "Al," everyone knew him and he seem to know everybody. In those days, high schoolers at our school engaged in pretty harmless mischief, not expensive vandali$m, and there weren't many fights. The cafeteria food was just awful, so many juniors and seniors "snuck" off campus to run over to an Italian deli a long block away and get a good sub sandwich. That infuriated the assistant principal, but not Al. He also strolled over there for lunch a couple of days a week, usually in the midst of a small crowd of students. For Al, a kid wanting a decent lunch was not an "offense" worth his time or trouble. Life was a lot simpler and safer in the early 1960's.  Why would the put a plain clothes policeman in your school? So they are not sitting ducks... Doubtful. There were many entrances to that school, and it covered most of a large city block. On the other hand, this *was* in the days before Fox News and ready availability of Bushmaster-style rifles. ....and before the days when each and every 12 year old in the country has more "experience" clearing a room (video games and TV, CSI, ETC...) or in a tactical entry than a frekin' American Soldier... What does a particular "style" of rifle have to do with anything? A Remington/Benelli/Mossberg "style" hunting shotgun could have been just as bad, or worse, CT. |
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"...a sad day..."
On 12/24/12 9:10 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 12/24/2012 8:47 PM, Earl wrote: ESAD wrote: On 12/24/12 2:24 PM, JustWait wrote: On 12/24/2012 1:07 PM, BAR wrote: In article , says... On 12/24/12 11:29 AM, wrote: On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 09:30:25 -0500, ESAD wrote: "It will be a sad day for this country if children can safely attend their classes only under the protection of armed guards." President Dwight D. Eisenhower on the violence aimed at black Americans in September 1957 at Central High School in Little Rock, Arkansas. Eisenhower sent in the troops to protect children from the terrorists who were keeping them from attending school. There have been cops in middle and high schools here for decades but they are only there to catch a kid smoking a joint in the bathroom. The cop at Columbine was under specific orders not to engage an active shooter. I agree that to actually be effective a "guard" should get extensive training and that should be in conjunction with a planned procedure about what everyone else will be doing. Back in my high school days, we had a plainclothes police officer assigned permanently. He was armed, but I doubt he ever had to use his pistol, not back then. If memory serves, his name was "Al," everyone knew him and he seem to know everybody. In those days, high schoolers at our school engaged in pretty harmless mischief, not expensive vandali$m, and there weren't many fights. The cafeteria food was just awful, so many juniors and seniors "snuck" off campus to run over to an Italian deli a long block away and get a good sub sandwich. That infuriated the assistant principal, but not Al. He also strolled over there for lunch a couple of days a week, usually in the midst of a small crowd of students. For Al, a kid wanting a decent lunch was not an "offense" worth his time or trouble. Life was a lot simpler and safer in the early 1960's. Why would the put a plain clothes policeman in your school? So they are not sitting ducks... Doubtful. There were many entrances to that school, and it covered most of a large city block. On the other hand, this *was* in the days before Fox News and ready availability of Bushmaster-style rifles. ...and before the days when each and every 12 year old in the country has more "experience" clearing a room (video games and TV, CSI, ETC...) or in a tactical entry than a frekin' American Soldier... Violent video games. violent music, violent movies, et cetera, are readily available and have been for many years in most, if not all, the western democracies. Yet, it is Americans who seem the most violent and into gunplay. |
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"...a sad day..."
In article ,
says... On 12/24/12 9:10 PM, JustWait wrote: On 12/24/2012 8:47 PM, Earl wrote: ESAD wrote: On 12/24/12 2:24 PM, JustWait wrote: On 12/24/2012 1:07 PM, BAR wrote: In article , says... On 12/24/12 11:29 AM, wrote: On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 09:30:25 -0500, ESAD wrote: "It will be a sad day for this country if children can safely attend their classes only under the protection of armed guards." President Dwight D. Eisenhower on the violence aimed at black Americans in September 1957 at Central High School in Little Rock, Arkansas. Eisenhower sent in the troops to protect children from the terrorists who were keeping them from attending school. There have been cops in middle and high schools here for decades but they are only there to catch a kid smoking a joint in the bathroom. The cop at Columbine was under specific orders not to engage an active shooter. I agree that to actually be effective a "guard" should get extensive training and that should be in conjunction with a planned procedure about what everyone else will be doing. Back in my high school days, we had a plainclothes police officer assigned permanently. He was armed, but I doubt he ever had to use his pistol, not back then. If memory serves, his name was "Al," everyone knew him and he seem to know everybody. In those days, high schoolers at our school engaged in pretty harmless mischief, not expensive vandali$m, and there weren't many fights. The cafeteria food was just awful, so many juniors and seniors "snuck" off campus to run over to an Italian deli a long block away and get a good sub sandwich. That infuriated the assistant principal, but not Al. He also strolled over there for lunch a couple of days a week, usually in the midst of a small crowd of students. For Al, a kid wanting a decent lunch was not an "offense" worth his time or trouble. Life was a lot simpler and safer in the early 1960's. Why would the put a plain clothes policeman in your school? So they are not sitting ducks... Doubtful. There were many entrances to that school, and it covered most of a large city block. On the other hand, this *was* in the days before Fox News and ready availability of Bushmaster-style rifles. ...and before the days when each and every 12 year old in the country has more "experience" clearing a room (video games and TV, CSI, ETC...) or in a tactical entry than a frekin' American Soldier... Violent video games. violent music, violent movies, et cetera, are readily available and have been for many years in most, if not all, the western democracies. Yet, it is Americans who seem the most violent and into gunplay. Those Norwegians are a pretty violent people too. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Norway_attacks |
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"...a sad day..."
On 12/25/12 3:10 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 25 Dec 2012 08:46:50 -0500, ESAD wrote: On 12/24/12 10:36 PM, wrote: On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 21:45:34 -0500, ESAD wrote: Violent video games. violent music, violent movies, et cetera, are readily available and have been for many years in most, if not all, the western democracies. Yet, it is Americans who seem the most violent and into gunplay. I think we are just a more violent culture although the rest of the democracies are catching up. Maybe those games and movies are affecting them too. And maybe the games and movies have little or nothing to do with it. At that point you have to start questioning the value of "educational TV" too. Maybe Big Bird is a waste of money. My guess is that it is easier to instill and reinforce decent behavior and values through Sesame Street programming than it is to turn "normal people" violent through video games. Nice try, though. |
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#7
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"...a sad day..."
In article ,
says... On Tue, 25 Dec 2012 08:46:50 -0500, ESAD wrote: On 12/24/12 10:36 PM, wrote: On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 21:45:34 -0500, ESAD wrote: Violent video games. violent music, violent movies, et cetera, are readily available and have been for many years in most, if not all, the western democracies. Yet, it is Americans who seem the most violent and into gunplay. I think we are just a more violent culture although the rest of the democracies are catching up. Maybe those games and movies are affecting them too. And maybe the games and movies have little or nothing to do with it. At that point you have to start questioning the value of "educational TV" too. Maybe Big Bird is a waste of money. "Educational TV" is nothing more that a cheap baby-sitter. |
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#8
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"...a sad day..."
In article ,
says... In article , says... On Tue, 25 Dec 2012 08:46:50 -0500, ESAD wrote: On 12/24/12 10:36 PM, wrote: On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 21:45:34 -0500, ESAD wrote: Violent video games. violent music, violent movies, et cetera, are readily available and have been for many years in most, if not all, the western democracies. Yet, it is Americans who seem the most violent and into gunplay. I think we are just a more violent culture although the rest of the democracies are catching up. Maybe those games and movies are affecting them too. And maybe the games and movies have little or nothing to do with it. At that point you have to start questioning the value of "educational TV" too. Maybe Big Bird is a waste of money. "Educational TV" is nothing more that a cheap baby-sitter. Yeah, who do those lefties think they are, wanting their kids to be learnin'....... |
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"...a sad day..."
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says... On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 09:19:33 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... And maybe the games and movies have little or nothing to do with it. At that point you have to start questioning the value of "educational TV" too. Maybe Big Bird is a waste of money. "Educational TV" is nothing more that a cheap baby-sitter. Yeah, who do those lefties think they are, wanting their kids to be learnin'....... You folks do like having things both ways. Your kids only learn good things from watching TV, never anything bad. I'm sorry, just where did I say that? |
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#10
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"...a sad day..."
In article ,
says... On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 21:45:34 -0500, ESAD wrote: Violent video games. violent music, violent movies, et cetera, are readily available and have been for many years in most, if not all, the western democracies. Yet, it is Americans who seem the most violent and into gunplay. I think we are just a more violent culture although the rest of the democracies are catching up. Maybe those games and movies are affecting them too. Nope, no evidence of such. http://tinyurl.com/cokzzrc http://tinyurl.com/d9oynq3 |
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