On 12/24/12 10:36 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 21:45:34 -0500, ESAD wrote:


Violent video games. violent music, violent movies, et cetera, are
readily available and have been for many years in most, if not all, the
western democracies. Yet, it is Americans who seem the most violent and
into gunplay.

I think we are just a more violent culture although the rest of the
democracies are catching up. Maybe those games and movies are
affecting them too.


And maybe the games and movies have little or nothing to do with it.

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On 12/24/12 9:10 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 12/24/2012 8:47 PM, Earl wrote:
ESAD wrote:
On 12/24/12 2:24 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 12/24/2012 1:07 PM, BAR wrote:
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On 12/24/12 11:29 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 09:30:25 -0500, ESAD wrote:

"It will be a sad day for this country if children can safely
attend
their classes only under the protection of armed guards."

President Dwight D. Eisenhower on the violence aimed at black
Americans
in September 1957 at Central High School in Little Rock, Arkansas.
Eisenhower sent in the troops to protect children from the
terrorists
who were keeping them from attending school.

There have been cops in middle and high schools here for
decades but
they are only there to catch a kid smoking a joint in the bathroom.

The cop at Columbine was under specific orders not to engage an
active
shooter. I agree that to actually be effective a "guard" should get
extensive training and that should be in conjunction with a planned
procedure about what everyone else will be doing.


Back in my high school days, we had a plainclothes police officer
assigned permanently. He was armed, but I doubt he ever had to use
his
pistol, not back then. If memory serves, his name was "Al," everyone
knew him and he seem to know everybody. In those days, high
schoolers at
our school engaged in pretty harmless mischief, not expensive
vandali$m,
and there weren't many fights. The cafeteria food was just awful, so
many juniors and seniors "snuck" off campus to run over to an Italian
deli a long block away and get a good sub sandwich. That infuriated
the
assistant principal, but not Al. He also strolled over there for
lunch a
couple of days a week, usually in the midst of a small crowd of
students. For Al, a kid wanting a decent lunch was not an "offense"
worth his time or trouble.

Life was a lot simpler and safer in the early 1960's.

Why would the put a plain clothes policeman in your school?

So they are not sitting ducks...

Doubtful. There were many entrances to that school, and it covered
most of a large city block. On the other hand, this *was* in the days
before Fox News and ready availability of Bushmaster-style rifles.

...and before the days when each and every 12 year old in the country
has more "experience" clearing a room (video games and TV, CSI, ETC...)
or in a tactical entry than a frekin' American Soldier...

Violent video games. violent music, violent movies, et cetera, are
readily available and have been for many years in most, if not all, the
western democracies. Yet, it is Americans who seem the most violent and
into gunplay.


Those Norwegians are a pretty violent people too.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Norway_attacks

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On 12/24/2012 8:47 PM, Earl wrote:
ESAD wrote:
On 12/24/12 2:24 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 12/24/2012 1:07 PM, BAR wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 12/24/12 11:29 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 09:30:25 -0500, ESAD wrote:

"It will be a sad day for this country if children can safely attend
their classes only under the protection of armed guards."

President Dwight D. Eisenhower on the violence aimed at black
Americans
in September 1957 at Central High School in Little Rock, Arkansas.
Eisenhower sent in the troops to protect children from the
terrorists
who were keeping them from attending school.

There have been cops in middle and high schools here for
decades but
they are only there to catch a kid smoking a joint in the bathroom.

The cop at Columbine was under specific orders not to engage an
active
shooter. I agree that to actually be effective a "guard" should get
extensive training and that should be in conjunction with a planned
procedure about what everyone else will be doing.


Back in my high school days, we had a plainclothes police officer
assigned permanently. He was armed, but I doubt he ever had to use his
pistol, not back then. If memory serves, his name was "Al," everyone
knew him and he seem to know everybody. In those days, high
schoolers at
our school engaged in pretty harmless mischief, not expensive
vandali$m,
and there weren't many fights. The cafeteria food was just awful, so
many juniors and seniors "snuck" off campus to run over to an Italian
deli a long block away and get a good sub sandwich. That infuriated
the
assistant principal, but not Al. He also strolled over there for
lunch a
couple of days a week, usually in the midst of a small crowd of
students. For Al, a kid wanting a decent lunch was not an "offense"
worth his time or trouble.

Life was a lot simpler and safer in the early 1960's.

Why would the put a plain clothes policeman in your school?

So they are not sitting ducks...

Doubtful. There were many entrances to that school, and it covered
most of a large city block. On the other hand, this *was* in the days
before Fox News and ready availability of Bushmaster-style rifles.

...and before the days when each and every 12 year old in the country
has more "experience" clearing a room (video games and TV, CSI, ETC...)
or in a tactical entry than a frekin' American Soldier...

Oh, ****, Scotty's going insane(r) again....

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On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 21:45:34 -0500, ESAD wrote:


Violent video games. violent music, violent movies, et cetera, are
readily available and have been for many years in most, if not all, the
western democracies. Yet, it is Americans who seem the most violent and
into gunplay.

I think we are just a more violent culture although the rest of the
democracies are catching up. Maybe those games and movies are
affecting them too.

Nope, no evidence of such.

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On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 14:48:01 -0500, ESAD wrote:

My recollection is that 17th & G is an area of mostly federal office
buildings these days.

G street dead ends into EOB on the east and is commercial going west.
AAA was on the SW corner. There was a parking lot and then our school.
The rest of the block was the YMCA. We were in the original YMCA
building before they built the 2 new ones. The Pa ave side block was a
collection of multi story offices with small businesses on the street
level.

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Is this New Haven, CT? If so, that original YMCA must have been the
one that I took lessons and got SCUBA certified in 1966.
It was through a club called, "The Yankee Paddlers". Course was
given by ex-Navy divers, (renamed Navy Seals in 1961).

On 12/25/12 12:33 PM, Eisboch wrote:


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On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 14:48:01 -0500, ESAD wrote:

My recollection is that 17th & G is an area of mostly federal office
buildings these days.

G street dead ends into EOB on the east and is commercial going west.
AAA was on the SW corner. There was a parking lot and then our school.
The rest of the block was the YMCA. We were in the original YMCA
building before they built the 2 new ones. The Pa ave side block was a
collection of multi story offices with small businesses on the street
level.

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Is this New Haven, CT? If so, that original YMCA must have been the
one that I took lessons and got SCUBA certified in 1966.
It was through a club called, "The Yankee Paddlers". Course was given
by ex-Navy divers, (renamed Navy Seals in 1961).



No, Washington, D.C. The 'Y' in New Haven was on Chapel and Howe, I
think. Used to go there many Saturdays with a couple of buddies in the
winter to use the gym, play pickup b'ball, and go swimming. It was a two
block walk from the bus stop. The Y was down the street from Hulls
Hobbies, another great place to hang out.

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On 12/25/12 12:33 PM, Eisboch wrote:


wrote in message ...

On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 14:48:01 -0500, ESAD wrote:

My recollection is that 17th & G is an area of mostly federal office
buildings these days.

G street dead ends into EOB on the east and is commercial going west.
AAA was on the SW corner. There was a parking lot and then our school.
The rest of the block was the YMCA. We were in the original YMCA
building before they built the 2 new ones. The Pa ave side block was a
collection of multi story offices with small businesses on the street
level.

---------------------------------------

Is this New Haven, CT? If so, that original YMCA must have been the
one that I took lessons and got SCUBA certified in 1966.
It was through a club called, "The Yankee Paddlers". Course was given
by ex-Navy divers, (renamed Navy Seals in 1961).



No, Washington, D.C. The 'Y' in New Haven was on Chapel and Howe, I
think. Used to go there many Saturdays with a couple of buddies in the
winter to use the gym, play pickup b'ball, and go swimming. It was a two
block walk from the bus stop. The Y was down the street from Hulls
Hobbies, another great place to hang out.

Bull****, you said your mother made you stay in your room and take
practice tests, and you also claimed that she didn't let you do anything
that could get you hurt.

On 12/25/12 1:34 PM, iBoaterer wrote:

Bull****, you said your mother made you stay in your room and take
practice tests, and you also claimed that she didn't let you do anything
that could get you hurt.



Yet another fantasy from Loogy iBoaterererer, one of the several
rec.boats dead brains.

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On 12/25/12 1:34 PM, iBoaterer wrote:

Bull****, you said your mother made you stay in your room and take
practice tests, and you also claimed that she didn't let you do anything
that could get you hurt.



Yet another fantasy from Loogy iBoaterererer, one of the several
rec.boats dead brains.

Are you denying that you said your mother made you take practice tests?
Are you denying that you said that your mother didn't allow you to
participate in dangerouse recreational activities?

On 12/25/12 3:10 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 25 Dec 2012 08:46:50 -0500, ESAD wrote:

On 12/24/12 10:36 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 21:45:34 -0500, ESAD wrote:


Violent video games. violent music, violent movies, et cetera, are
readily available and have been for many years in most, if not all, the
western democracies. Yet, it is Americans who seem the most violent and
into gunplay.

I think we are just a more violent culture although the rest of the
democracies are catching up. Maybe those games and movies are
affecting them too.


And maybe the games and movies have little or nothing to do with it.

At that point you have to start questioning the value of "educational
TV" too. Maybe Big Bird is a waste of money.


My guess is that it is easier to instill and reinforce decent behavior
and values through Sesame Street programming than it is to turn "normal
people" violent through video games. Nice try, though.