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Scarborough gets it right
On Fri, 21 Dec 2012 16:43:25 -0600, Califbill wrote:
ESAD wrote: Fair enough, but I never said anything near "no one needs a 30 round clip". I was talking to a friend today and he happened to bring out his Chinese SKS with a 30 round clip. It was a pretty "tactical" looking weapon, what really caught my attention was the rounds, how sharp they were. Always thought bullets were more rounded. We were talking about the advantages of a 30 clip and agreed, it's just fun... but really not "necessary" for any legal use of the weapon. He thinks you guys are goofy getting all bent out of shape because I asked the obvious question BTW. Either way, it was interesting to talk so someone who had so much experience, and wasn't all defensive... so I could actually get to the point of my questions. When you absolutely lose it and decide your best way out is to shoot up a school or movie theater or dirtbike race and then commit suicide by cop, you'll probably want a fully auto, milled receiver AK47 with a 100-round magazine. And you would probably kill less than with the semi auto. After the gun climbs and puts most of the rounds in the ceiling, most will still be alive. Hold it sideways. |
Scarborough gets it right
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Scarborough gets it right
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Scarborough gets it right
On Fri, 21 Dec 2012 19:50:52 -0500, BAR wrote:
In article , says... On Fri, 21 Dec 2012 08:18:35 -0500, BAR wrote: In article , says... On Thu, 20 Dec 2012 19:56:10 -0500, ESAD wrote: Besides, while PG County has some bad spots, it is a mostly rural county Huh? It was rural when I was there but it is very built up now. I doubt you could find a safe place to hunt anywhere in PG. We used to shoot quail just South west of 210 and Oxon Hill Rd and we would hunt ducks down there on the river where that new metroplex is now. I am also amazed at how built up Chuck County was the last time I was up there (July) When you get down south of Leonardtown it starts looking familiar but there are still a lot of new houses. You can't get much further south than Leonardtown. My Niece owns a marina in Ridge. My uncle owns a house on the lower Potomac just northwest of the gas docks. We used to go in and out at Tall Timbers and Point Lookout. Make sure you fish of the correct side of the pier at Point Lookout if you don't have a fishing license. I know about the gas docks north of the mouth of the Patuxent, but didn't know of any on the Potomac. Learn something every day! |
Scarborough gets it right
In article ,
says... On Sat, 22 Dec 2012 02:29:16 -0500, wrote: On Fri, 21 Dec 2012 16:43:25 -0600, Califbill wrote: ESAD wrote: Fair enough, but I never said anything near "no one needs a 30 round clip". I was talking to a friend today and he happened to bring out his Chinese SKS with a 30 round clip. It was a pretty "tactical" looking weapon, what really caught my attention was the rounds, how sharp they were. Always thought bullets were more rounded. We were talking about the advantages of a 30 clip and agreed, it's just fun... but really not "necessary" for any legal use of the weapon. He thinks you guys are goofy getting all bent out of shape because I asked the obvious question BTW. Either way, it was interesting to talk so someone who had so much experience, and wasn't all defensive... so I could actually get to the point of my questions. When you absolutely lose it and decide your best way out is to shoot up a school or movie theater or dirtbike race and then commit suicide by cop, you'll probably want a fully auto, milled receiver AK47 with a 100-round magazine. And you would probably kill less than with the semi auto. After the gun climbs and puts most of the rounds in the ceiling, most will still be alive. That is really trigger discipline. You are supposed to fire short bursts. In fact the current M-16 only fires 3 rounds at a trigger pull in auto. Didn't know that. They've changed it. Used to fire a whole clip in about half a second. The Army has always 'taught' to fire three-round bursts, but I'd never heard they somehow managed to limit the firing to three round bursts. The ascendancy of the M240 SAW was brought into to provide suppressive fire reliving the rifleman from blowing through magazines in short order. The 3 round burst mode solved several problems with the M16, barrel wear, burning your fingers on the gas tube and reducing the amount of ammo that needed to get to the front-line troops. |
Scarborough gets it right
In article ,
says... On Sat, 22 Dec 2012 02:29:16 -0500, wrote: On Fri, 21 Dec 2012 16:43:25 -0600, Califbill wrote: ESAD wrote: Fair enough, but I never said anything near "no one needs a 30 round clip". I was talking to a friend today and he happened to bring out his Chinese SKS with a 30 round clip. It was a pretty "tactical" looking weapon, what really caught my attention was the rounds, how sharp they were. Always thought bullets were more rounded. We were talking about the advantages of a 30 clip and agreed, it's just fun... but really not "necessary" for any legal use of the weapon. He thinks you guys are goofy getting all bent out of shape because I asked the obvious question BTW. Either way, it was interesting to talk so someone who had so much experience, and wasn't all defensive... so I could actually get to the point of my questions. When you absolutely lose it and decide your best way out is to shoot up a school or movie theater or dirtbike race and then commit suicide by cop, you'll probably want a fully auto, milled receiver AK47 with a 100-round magazine. And you would probably kill less than with the semi auto. After the gun climbs and puts most of the rounds in the ceiling, most will still be alive. That is really trigger discipline. You are supposed to fire short bursts. In fact the current M-16 only fires 3 rounds at a trigger pull in auto. Didn't know that. They've changed it. Used to fire a whole clip in about half a second. Bull****. .. |
Scarborough gets it right
On Fri, 21 Dec 2012 22:08:41 -0500, Earl wrote:
GuzzisRule wrote: On Tue, 18 Dec 2012 19:29:40 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote: "GuzzisRule" wrote in message ... On Tue, 18 Dec 2012 15:47:11 -0500, JustWait wrote: On 12/18/2012 3:29 PM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Mon, 17 Dec 2012 15:48:16 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote: "Califbill" wrote in message ... Seems as if there are a couple questions to be answered. First, why did a person decide to massacre a room full of kids. And second, why target assault rifles because of this. He used pistols. ------------------------------------------------------ My understanding is that he used an assault type rifle or clone of one to kill the children and adults. He used a pistol to kill himself. Raises a disturbing question though. Those who advocate bans on assault and or/high capacity weapons (me included) have to acknowledge that a "number" is basically being established in terms of how many people a nut case can kill with one weapon. A magazine capacity of no more than 10 rounds seems to be a common recommendation. In fact, Dianne Feinstein (D) California just announced that she will introduce a bill immediately that limits magazine rounds to 10. So, does that mean that 10 people killed is an "acceptable" number in our society? Wouldn't 5 be better . How about 1? There are those who advocate banning guns altogether in the false hope that it would end these tragic events, but it won't. Too many guns exist and there are many other ways for nut cases to carry out mass murders. Banning guns isn't the answer. I find it a little strange that any number can be placed on magazine capacity that is "acceptable". How about if I can change magazines in three seconds (very easy, especially if one is taped to the other)? Then it takes only three seconds more to get up to twenty rounds. Another four or five seconds, depending on the location of the new magazine, to get up to thirty rounds off. Magazine limiting should be done, but just to keep some folks happy. It won't stop a determined killer in any way. It will. Bull****. A few short practice sessions in the bedroom would make it quite easy to change 10 round magazines quite rapidly. I have been watching videos of people put into situations where they think they are drawing on a situation. Some dropped the weapon, some froze, some got the thing caught in their tee shirt... Well, there you go. We should go to ten round magazines because anyone using more than one will drop his weapon, freeze, or get the magazine caught in a tee shirt. Right. A couple of the last shootings were stopped dead in their tracks when the shooter had mechanical problems, or had a bad clip, or jammed the weapon changing clips... Like I said, 1-10 is for defense. 30 is either for penis power, or offense... The jamming of a weapon may or may not be due to the clip. You've said nothing here that shows a ten round clip to be less usable for killing than a 30 round clip - penis power or not. ---------------------------------------------------------- There's no question that killing someone with a single shot derringer is possible. That's not really the question or issue. What has to be resolved in order to make any kind of meaningful gun control reform possible in this country is to define what the designed purpose of a weapon is. Defensive? Offensive? Yes, you can still kill with a gun primarily designed as a defensive weapon. But why make guns primarily designed as "offensive" weapons generally available to Joe Doe public? Doesn't make any sense. I agree. I see no need for AR-15s or the like in the marketplace. My point is that outlawing them would have little effect on a determined killer, who could use a 'hunting rifle', like the ones I showed you, with 10-round magazines (or 30 if they're not outlawed) and accomplish the same thing. But, I'm all for outlawing assault weapons, and magazines which hold more than 10 rounds. I just don't think it would make much difference to a killer. If you feel that way then why support a ban? The AR15 is a useful weapon for hunting and recreational shooting and the Colts are a military collectors piece. Many will say that my Ruger 10/22 is a deadlier weapon than a higher-powered rifle like the .223. Evidently the .22LR will not simply pass through the point of entry like a larger caliber, it will do more damage to more organs. Only to make happy those in violent opposition to them. There are a whole lot of weapons I'd rather have for hunting than an AR15, but much of that is individual preference. I like the Ruger Hawkeye: http://www.gunsmagazine.com/~gunsma5...12/06/SE02.jpg But, I haven't done any hunting in years and have no need for a hunting rifle of any kind. If I lived where I could pick up the rifle and start hunting out the back door. like on my grandfrather's farm, then I'd be more inclined to get a nice hunting rifle. |
Scarborough gets it right
On 12/22/2012 9:38 AM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Fri, 21 Dec 2012 19:43:47 -0500, JustWait wrote: On 12/21/2012 5:20 PM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Fri, 21 Dec 2012 14:50:28 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 12/21/2012 11:30 AM, thumper wrote: On 12/21/2012 6:38 AM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Thu, 20 Dec 2012 21:40:27 -0800, thumper wrote: On 12/20/2012 11:54 AM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Wed, 19 Dec 2012 19:25:08 -0800, thumper wrote: On 12/19/2012 12:49 PM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Tue, 18 Dec 2012 22:33:35 -0800, thumper wrote: On 12/18/2012 12:21 PM, GuzzisRule wrote: Fine - do away with 'military style...combat assault rifles with high capacity (not defined) magazines'. How the hell would that stop someone who wanted to kill twenty kids? It might make him a little slower, but not much! Yeah, lets make it as easy as possible. That was kind of a stupid reply. C-4 would make it *very* easy. In fact, I'm wondering why some jihadist hasn't strapped a bomb to her chest and walked into a school cafeteria during lunchtime. Yeah, it wasn't the time for sarcasm. You got my point though. If the goal is to make the killing of 20 kids take 10 seconds longer, then it's a stupid goal! Do you get the point? Look who's being stupid... the goal is to make the potential killing of 20 kids result in less than 20 dead kids. The fewer the better. I don't buy your assertions. I'd much rather find a solution that would prevent the killing of all twenty, not just allow the killing of 19. I guess that's a hard one. It is. I don't think it's effective to hold out for perfection. And it's all politics on both sides of the argument... seems like an excuse to do nothing. I'll take improvement. It's "politics" to not want innocent children dying?? You ARE a ****ing moron. Agreed, Kevin. **** you john, just because I don't need a penis gun like you.... You are a ****ing asshole to the max... Scotty, I didn't agree with the name-calling ****. I should have been more clear. I apologize for that part of the message. But, your 'it's all politics' comment was totally out of place. You have been preaching against the 30-round clip. ARE YOU ****ING SERIOUS??? I HAVE NOT SAID NOT ONE THING NEGATIVE ABOUT 30 ROUND CLIPS. I ASKED "WHY YOU NEED THEM" AND ABSOLUTLY NOTHING ELSE!! YOUR OWN INSECURITY ON THE SUBJECT MAKES YOU READ MY POSTS WRONG! All here have agreed it's not needed for civilians - multiple times. You continue to act as though you had this super idea and no one is agreeing with it and everyone is political. You missed my entire point, all of you did cause you are shooting from a corner you don't even need to be in. My 'penis gun' is a Winchester Model 94 .30-.30 - one of these: http://www.wisnersinc.com/additional...%20carbine.jpg Wow, I am impressed.... well, not really. Oh, I also have a .22 rifle and a 12 gauge.shotgun. Not much 'penis' there, is there? I used one of your 'penis guns' while in Vietnam. Didn't like it. But, it would spray a lot of ammo in a hurry! |
Scarborough gets it right
On Fri, 21 Dec 2012 22:20:53 -0500, Earl wrote:
ESAD wrote: On 12/19/12 5:39 PM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Wed, 19 Dec 2012 17:01:37 -0500, ESAD wrote: On 12/19/12 3:59 PM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Wed, 19 Dec 2012 09:35:16 -0500, ESAD wrote: On 12/19/12 9:27 AM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Tue, 18 Dec 2012 16:33:55 -0500, ESAD wrote: On 12/18/12 3:29 PM, GuzzisRule wrote: On Mon, 17 Dec 2012 15:48:16 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote: "Califbill" wrote in message ... Seems as if there are a couple questions to be answered. First, why did a person decide to massacre a room full of kids. And second, why target assault rifles because of this. He used pistols. ------------------------------------------------------ My understanding is that he used an assault type rifle or clone of one to kill the children and adults. He used a pistol to kill himself. Raises a disturbing question though. Those who advocate bans on assault and or/high capacity weapons (me included) have to acknowledge that a "number" is basically being established in terms of how many people a nut case can kill with one weapon. A magazine capacity of no more than 10 rounds seems to be a common recommendation. In fact, Dianne Feinstein (D) California just announced that she will introduce a bill immediately that limits magazine rounds to 10. So, does that mean that 10 people killed is an "acceptable" number in our society? Wouldn't 5 be better . How about 1? There are those who advocate banning guns altogether in the false hope that it would end these tragic events, but it won't. Too many guns exist and there are many other ways for nut cases to carry out mass murders. Banning guns isn't the answer. I find it a little strange that any number can be placed on magazine capacity that is "acceptable". How about if I can change magazines in three seconds (very easy, especially if one is taped to the other)? Then it takes only three seconds more to get up to twenty rounds. Another four or five seconds, depending on the location of the new magazine, to get up to thirty rounds off. Magazine limiting should be done, but just to keep some folks happy. It won't stop a determined killer in any way. So, when will we see the aftermath of your multi-magazine rampage? Are you going over to Springfield Mall to kill a bunch of Latinos? There are very few Mexicans in Springfield Mall. Springfield Mall and in fact much of the area just north of the mall towards Annandale has one of the highest concentrations of MS-13 gangbangers along the Eastern Seaboard. There have been many "incidents" reported by shoppers at that mall of being confronted by gang members. If you put "ms-13 springfield, va" into a google search, you'll get a lot of hits, and many of them have details of MS-13 gang activities right down the street from you and what, about five miles away? Oh, and MS-13 is transnational. It's not a "Mexican" gang. You are an ignorant ass. Your post didn't mention MS-13 or any other gang. Are all Latinos, in your estimation, gang members? Perhaps you were looking in a mirror when you typed 'ignorant ass'? BTW - Springfield Mall is almost dead. Most of the stores have closed. Macy's, Penny's, and Target are still open. Do you blame that on the Latino population north of the mall? Are the Latinos, in your opinion, all bad? You call others racist. You're sick. I've several times mentioned MS-13 was active in your immediate area. I never said or implied that all Latinos were gang members. Springfield Mall has been dying for a decade, and a big reason is MS-13 gang activity. Maybe one day while you are out on your clapped out old motorcycle, you'll encounter a few MS-13 members, who will take your bike away from you. It's not something I worry about, ESAD. Perhaps the sight of a Latino scares you, but I'm really not bothered by it. And you call others 'racist'. My 'clapped out old motorcycle' took me about 90 miles today at about 50 mpg. How's your 'Ducati' running? Do you keep it in your Maryland-red barn? I suppose the twin-Volvo-diesel-powered trawler is stored there also, no? Duc and I took a 50 mile round trip to Home Despot earlier today, ISO some Honeywell timer switches and some dimmer switches. Another Harrytale. In fairness, if I didn't pay my taxes I would have a Ferrari in my garage. The latest Road and Track (great bathroom reading material, BTW) has the new McLaren Spider on the cover. I could live with that. http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-revi...mp4-12c-spider But, I've been paying my taxes, so I can't afford the Ducati, the Maryland-red barn, the Volvo diesel powered trawler, etc., etc. Life's a bitch when you pay your taxes. |
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