Scarborough gets it right
 

ESAD wrote:
On 12/19/12 11:18 AM, JustWait wrote:
On 12/19/2012 10:31 AM, wrote:
On Wednesday, December 19, 2012 8:34:29 AM UTC-5, JustWait wrote:
On 12/19/2012 8:00 AM, BAR wrote:

In article ,

says...



"GuzzisRule" wrote in message

...



On Tue, 18 Dec 2012 15:47:11 -0500, JustWait

wrote:



On 12/18/2012 3:29 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:

On Mon, 17 Dec 2012 15:48:16 -0500, "Eisboch"

wrote:







"Califbill" wrote in message

...







Seems as if there are a couple questions to be answered. First,

why

did a

person decide to massacre a room full of kids. And second, why

target

assault rifles because of this. He used pistols.



------------------------------------------------------



My understanding is that he used an assault type rifle or
clone of

one

to kill the children and adults.

He used a pistol to kill himself.



Raises a disturbing question though. Those who advocate bans on

assault and or/high capacity weapons (me included) have to

acknowledge that a "number" is basically being established in

terms of

how many people a nut case can kill with one weapon. A
magazine

capacity of no more than 10 rounds seems to be a common

recommendation. In fact, Dianne Feinstein (D) California just

announced that she will introduce a bill immediately that limits

magazine rounds to 10.



So, does that mean that 10 people killed is an "acceptable"
number

in

our society? Wouldn't 5 be better . How about 1?

There are those who advocate banning guns altogether in the false

hope

that it would end these tragic events, but it won't. Too many

guns

exist and there are many other ways for nut cases to carry out

mass

murders. Banning guns isn't the answer.



I find it a little strange that any number can be placed on

magazine

capacity that is "acceptable".





How about if I can change magazines in three seconds (very easy,

especially if one is taped to the

other)? Then it takes only three seconds more to get up to twenty

rounds. Another four or five

seconds, depending on the location of the new magazine, to get up

to thirty rounds off.



Magazine limiting should be done, but just to keep some folks

happy. It won't stop a determined

killer in any way.





It will.



Bull****. A few short practice sessions in the bedroom would make it

quite easy to change 10 round

magazines quite rapidly.



I have been watching videos of people put into situations where

they think they are drawing on a situation. Some dropped the
weapon,

some froze, some got the thing caught in their tee shirt...



Well, there you go. We should go to ten round magazines because
anyone

using more than one will drop

his weapon, freeze, or get the magazine caught in a tee shirt.



Right.





A couple of the last shootings were stopped dead in their tracks
when

the shooter had mechanical problems, or had a bad clip, or
jammed the

weapon changing clips... Like I said, 1-10 is for defense. 30 is

either for penis power, or offense...



The jamming of a weapon may or may not be due to the clip. You've
said

nothing here that shows a ten

round clip to be less usable for killing than a 30 round clip -
penis

power or not.



----------------------------------------------------------



There's no question that killing someone with a single shot
derringer

is possible. That's not really the question or issue.

What has to be resolved in order to make any kind of meaningful gun

control reform possible in this country is to define what

the designed purpose of a weapon is. Defensive? Offensive?
Yes,

you can still kill with a gun primarily designed as a defensive

weapon. But why make guns primarily designed as "offensive" weapons

generally available to Joe Doe public? Doesn't make any sense.



Is a knife defensive or offensive? Is a sword defensive or
offensive? Is

a baseball bat an offensive weapon or a defensive weapon.



The common thread in all of the mass killings is that there is a
person
initiating the sequence of events.


So, how about you try it since Greg won't answer the question... and
remember, I support the second. But I am starting to wonder why you
need
a 30 round clip?

Same reason someone "needs" a motocross bike. It's not a life
necessity, but it can be fun.


Well there you go... What's fun about it compared to a ten clip. I can
see if you have a fully automatic weapon, but a semi. Enlighten me??


I'll enlighten you. It's fun for the lazy and the feeble minded. I
have a couple of "large cap" mags for my CZ, and with them I have
instantly available at the pull of a trigger 19 rounds. The mags were
packed in with the pistol when I ordered it from the custom shop.

But I never use these mags. I can't use them in competitive shooting,
because they're not allowed. They make the handgun heavier and impact
balance. They are more difficult to reload. I use the 10-round mags in
my CZ. Same with my Ruger .22 - I used 10-round mags. In fact, I don't
believe there are higher cap mags for this particular Ruger pistol.

Tax cheats should be treated like felons and prevented from owning
firearms. If they can't pay their taxes, they shouldn't be owning
non-essential items of any sort.

Scarborough gets it right
 

ESAD wrote:
On 12/19/12 5:39 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Wed, 19 Dec 2012 17:01:37 -0500, ESAD wrote:

On 12/19/12 3:59 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Wed, 19 Dec 2012 09:35:16 -0500, ESAD wrote:

On 12/19/12 9:27 AM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Tue, 18 Dec 2012 16:33:55 -0500, ESAD wrote:

On 12/18/12 3:29 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Mon, 17 Dec 2012 15:48:16 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:



"Califbill" wrote in message
...



Seems as if there are a couple questions to be answered.
First, why
did a
person decide to massacre a room full of kids. And second, why
target
assault rifles because of this. He used pistols.

------------------------------------------------------

My understanding is that he used an assault type rifle or
clone of one
to kill the children and adults.
He used a pistol to kill himself.

Raises a disturbing question though. Those who advocate bans on
assault and or/high capacity weapons (me included) have to
acknowledge that a "number" is basically being established in
terms of
how many people a nut case can kill with one weapon. A
magazine
capacity of no more than 10 rounds seems to be a common
recommendation. In fact, Dianne Feinstein (D) California just
announced that she will introduce a bill immediately that limits
magazine rounds to 10.

So, does that mean that 10 people killed is an "acceptable"
number in
our society? Wouldn't 5 be better . How about 1?
There are those who advocate banning guns altogether in the
false hope
that it would end these tragic events, but it won't. Too many
guns
exist and there are many other ways for nut cases to carry out
mass
murders. Banning guns isn't the answer.

I find it a little strange that any number can be placed on
magazine
capacity that is "acceptable".


How about if I can change magazines in three seconds (very
easy, especially if one is taped to the
other)? Then it takes only three seconds more to get up to
twenty rounds. Another four or five
seconds, depending on the location of the new magazine, to get
up to thirty rounds off.

Magazine limiting should be done, but just to keep some folks
happy. It won't stop a determined
killer in any way.


So, when will we see the aftermath of your multi-magazine
rampage? Are
you going over to Springfield Mall to kill a bunch of Latinos?



There are very few Mexicans in Springfield Mall.



Springfield Mall and in fact much of the area just north of the mall
towards Annandale has one of the highest concentrations of MS-13
gangbangers along the Eastern Seaboard. There have been many
"incidents"
reported by shoppers at that mall of being confronted by gang
members.

If you put "ms-13 springfield, va" into a google search, you'll get a
lot of hits, and many of them have details of MS-13 gang activities
right down the street from you and what, about five miles away?

Oh, and MS-13 is transnational. It's not a "Mexican" gang.

You are an ignorant ass.


Your post didn't mention MS-13 or any other gang. Are all Latinos,
in your estimation, gang members?
Perhaps you were looking in a mirror when you typed 'ignorant ass'?

BTW - Springfield Mall is almost dead. Most of the stores have
closed. Macy's, Penny's, and Target
are still open. Do you blame that on the Latino population north of
the mall? Are the Latinos, in
your opinion, all bad? You call others racist. You're sick.


I've several times mentioned MS-13 was active in your immediate area. I
never said or implied that all Latinos were gang members. Springfield
Mall has been dying for a decade, and a big reason is MS-13 gang
activity.

Maybe one day while you are out on your clapped out old motorcycle,
you'll encounter a few MS-13 members, who will take your bike away from
you.

It's not something I worry about, ESAD. Perhaps the sight of a Latino
scares you, but I'm really not
bothered by it. And you call others 'racist'.

My 'clapped out old motorcycle' took me about 90 miles today at about
50 mpg. How's your 'Ducati'
running? Do you keep it in your Maryland-red barn? I suppose the
twin-Volvo-diesel-powered trawler
is stored there also, no?


Duc and I took a 50 mile round trip to Home Despot earlier today, ISO
some Honeywell timer switches and some dimmer switches.
Another Harrytale. In fairness, if I didn't pay my taxes I would have a
Ferrari in my garage.

Scarborough gets it right
 

ESAD wrote:
wrote:
On Thu, 20 Dec 2012 07:38:18 -0500, BAR wrote:

Your "guy around the corner" sounds like someone who is a drug addict
and who gets out of control but is not judged a threat to others. A
"Baker Act" commitment is for 72 hours, after which a judge determines
if cause can be demonstrated for a longer commitment. If not, as is
usually the case, the individual is released.
Thirty times in 10 years is a pattern. The guy is not right in the head.
The cops have been there three times in the last 2 days and left
without him every time.
I don't think anything will be done until he kills someone or one of
my neighbors shoots him.
The seven years was up and he just got his driver's license back after
felony DUI so it will probably be someone on the road who gets it with
his pickup.

I guess the real question is exactly what you do. I don't think anyone
has actually been "cured" of mental illness. They can drug the people
into a compliant stupor but as soon as they stop taking the drug, they
are back to crazy, maybe even worse than before. The drugs also seem
to lose effectiveness over the years.
Are we really talking about a gulag mentality where they round up all
the people someone thinks are "mentally ill" and lock them up?

"Outpatient services" is really just a drug dispensary and the problem
is the patients are not real good about taking their drugs.
You are grossly overstating the problems here. Many mental illnesses can be
controlled with therapy and sometimes with therapy and medications. You are
giving the impression that if you have a mental illness your outlook is
forever dim. Many people with mental illnesses Are creative and productive
members of society. Your prejudices are really out there.
You are speaking about mental illness? Let me ask this: does extreme
narcissism limit/prevent your ability to pay taxes or are you just a
narcissist and, an unrelated, deadbeat?

Scarborough gets it right
 

iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...
On Wed, 19 Dec 2012 20:25:32 -0500, ESAD wrote:

On 12/19/12 5:39 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Wed, 19 Dec 2012 17:01:37 -0500, ESAD wrote:

On 12/19/12 3:59 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Wed, 19 Dec 2012 09:35:16 -0500, ESAD wrote:

On 12/19/12 9:27 AM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Tue, 18 Dec 2012 16:33:55 -0500, ESAD wrote:

On 12/18/12 3:29 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Mon, 17 Dec 2012 15:48:16 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:


"Califbill" wrote in message
...


Seems as if there are a couple questions to be answered. First, why
did a
person decide to massacre a room full of kids. And second, why target
assault rifles because of this. He used pistols.

------------------------------------------------------

My understanding is that he used an assault type rifle or clone of one
to kill the children and adults.
He used a pistol to kill himself.

Raises a disturbing question though. Those who advocate bans on
assault and or/high capacity weapons (me included) have to
acknowledge that a "number" is basically being established in terms of
how many people a nut case can kill with one weapon. A magazine
capacity of no more than 10 rounds seems to be a common
recommendation. In fact, Dianne Feinstein (D) California just
announced that she will introduce a bill immediately that limits
magazine rounds to 10.

So, does that mean that 10 people killed is an "acceptable" number in
our society? Wouldn't 5 be better . How about 1?
There are those who advocate banning guns altogether in the false hope
that it would end these tragic events, but it won't. Too many guns
exist and there are many other ways for nut cases to carry out mass
murders. Banning guns isn't the answer.

I find it a little strange that any number can be placed on magazine
capacity that is "acceptable".

How about if I can change magazines in three seconds (very easy, especially if one is taped to the
other)? Then it takes only three seconds more to get up to twenty rounds. Another four or five
seconds, depending on the location of the new magazine, to get up to thirty rounds off.

Magazine limiting should be done, but just to keep some folks happy. It won't stop a determined
killer in any way.

So, when will we see the aftermath of your multi-magazine rampage? Are
you going over to Springfield Mall to kill a bunch of Latinos?
There are very few Mexicans in Springfield Mall.


Springfield Mall and in fact much of the area just north of the mall
towards Annandale has one of the highest concentrations of MS-13
gangbangers along the Eastern Seaboard. There have been many "incidents"
reported by shoppers at that mall of being confronted by gang members.

If you put "ms-13 springfield, va" into a google search, you'll get a
lot of hits, and many of them have details of MS-13 gang activities
right down the street from you and what, about five miles away?

Oh, and MS-13 is transnational. It's not a "Mexican" gang.

You are an ignorant ass.

Your post didn't mention MS-13 or any other gang. Are all Latinos, in your estimation, gang members?
Perhaps you were looking in a mirror when you typed 'ignorant ass'?

BTW - Springfield Mall is almost dead. Most of the stores have closed. Macy's, Penny's, and Target
are still open. Do you blame that on the Latino population north of the mall? Are the Latinos, in
your opinion, all bad? You call others racist. You're sick.

I've several times mentioned MS-13 was active in your immediate area. I
never said or implied that all Latinos were gang members. Springfield
Mall has been dying for a decade, and a big reason is MS-13 gang activity.

Maybe one day while you are out on your clapped out old motorcycle,
you'll encounter a few MS-13 members, who will take your bike away from
you.
It's not something I worry about, ESAD. Perhaps the sight of a Latino scares you, but I'm really not
bothered by it. And you call others 'racist'.

My 'clapped out old motorcycle' took me about 90 miles today at about 50 mpg. How's your 'Ducati'
running? Do you keep it in your Maryland-red barn? I suppose the twin-Volvo-diesel-powered trawler
is stored there also, no?

Duc and I took a 50 mile round trip to Home Despot earlier today, ISO
some Honeywell timer switches and some dimmer switches.
LOL!
That IS hilarious!!! If you remember, when he first started, it was a
Kawasaki!!!!!
When you skip tax bills you can upgrade practically for free!

Scarborough gets it right
 

Meyer wrote:
On 12/20/2012 2:53 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Wed, 19 Dec 2012 20:25:32 -0500, ESAD wrote:


My 'clapped out old motorcycle' took me about 90 miles today at
about 50 mpg. How's your 'Ducati'
running? Do you keep it in your Maryland-red barn? I suppose the
twin-Volvo-diesel-powered trawler
is stored there also, no?


Duc and I took a 50 mile round trip to Home Despot earlier today, ISO
some Honeywell timer switches and some dimmer switches.

LOL!

I wonder if the local MS 13 fellas noticed the old guy on the fire
engine red Duc as he was slow cruising down the boulavard?
If they knew his refusal/inability to pay his taxes would affect them
they may have put a cap in his ass.

Scarborough gets it right
 

ESAD wrote:
On 12/21/12 9:41 AM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Thu, 20 Dec 2012 19:36:12 -0500, BAR wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Thu, 20 Dec 2012 13:16:29 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 19 Dec 2012 17:01:37 -0500, ESAD wrote:

BTW - Springfield Mall is almost dead. Most of the stores have
closed. Macy's, Penny's, and Target
are still open. Do you blame that on the Latino population north
of the mall? Are the Latinos, in
your opinion, all bad? You call others racist. You're sick.


I've several times mentioned MS-13 was active in your immediate
area. I
never said or implied that all Latinos were gang members.
Springfield
Mall has been dying for a decade, and a big reason is MS-13 gang
activity.

Maybe one day while you are out on your clapped out old motorcycle,
you'll encounter a few MS-13 members, who will take your bike
away from
you.

The worst elements of DC have moved out to the beltway and beyond
because real estate values inside DC have priced them out of the
market.
PG and Arlington County used to be "Leave it to Beaver" land. PG has
become a combat zone and I understand it is not much better on the
other side of the bridge.

Oh yes it is! You're right about PG county though. That place is a
definite mess. Don't know what
the problem is. ESAD lives pretty close. Maybe he can explain why
PG County is the war zone it is.

PG and DC have one thing in common. They are filled with people who
believe that when the get elected or appointed to office that it is
their duty to extract as much cash from the public, as possible, to pad
their own pockets.

DC has lost a couple of councilmen to jail recently and we have Mr. and
Mrs. Jack Johnson in PG to show is that crime families. Jack Johnson's
famous line is "pub the money in your underwear and walk out of the
house." Almost as good as Mayor Marion "Mayor for Live" Barry who gave
us the often used statement "the bitch set me up."

If you want to move on to the appointed members of government we can go
there.


What can I say? All of that is certainly true. DC undertook a noble
action when it fired a large
number of totally worthless teachers. But, we then got a new
administration - which promptly rehired
the pieces of ****.

Oh well, best to start the problems at an early age.

I note that ESAD never addresses the gangs in DC and PG County. It's
always the Latinos elsewhere.



I don't live in the District of Columbia or Prince Georges County, and
you live a lot closer to the District and PG County than I do. But,
heck, you've got MS-13 right close to you...no need to drive across
state lines or into another county.

We did have a meth lab in operation about five years ago about 10
miles away. The sheriff closed it down and the rumors are the sheriff
informed its operators they had a couple of hours to leave the county
or they'd all be shot dead in an even bigger raid. But I think the
operators of the lab were white trash like you, not minorities.
Pure BS aside from the "I think" disclaimer. This tax cheat sure loves
to post and ignore his own problems.

Scarborough gets it right
 

BAR wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 12/21/12 9:46 AM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Fri, 21 Dec 2012 08:18:35 -0500, BAR wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Thu, 20 Dec 2012 19:56:10 -0500, ESAD wrote:

Besides, while PG County has some bad spots, it is a mostly rural county

Huh?

It was rural when I was there but it is very built up now. I doubt you
could find a safe place to hunt anywhere in PG.
We used to shoot quail just South west of 210 and Oxon Hill Rd and we
would hunt ducks down there on the river where that new metroplex is
now.

I am also amazed at how built up Chuck County was the last time I was
up there (July)
When you get down south of Leonardtown it starts looking familiar but
there are still a lot of new houses.

You can't get much further south than Leonardtown.

We go a little further south to the Navy rec center by Solomon's
Island. Great place for camping.
We've been taking the kids and grandkids there for a week+ the past couple years.


Leonardtown is SW of the Navy Rec Center. No wonder we lost the war
against Vietnam, with soldiers like you who couldn't read a map.

WE "lost" the war because people like you didn't pay their taxes so that
the troops could be provided with the best equipment available.

We lost the war, because the political leadership did not let it be a real
war.

Scarborough gets it right
 

In article ,
says...

On Fri, 21 Dec 2012 14:50:28 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

In article , says...

On 12/21/2012 11:30 AM, thumper wrote:
On 12/21/2012 6:38 AM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Thu, 20 Dec 2012 21:40:27 -0800, thumper wrote:

On 12/20/2012 11:54 AM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Wed, 19 Dec 2012 19:25:08 -0800, thumper wrote:

On 12/19/2012 12:49 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Tue, 18 Dec 2012 22:33:35 -0800, thumper wrote:

On 12/18/2012 12:21 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:

Fine - do away with 'military style...combat assault rifles with
high capacity (not defined)
magazines'. How the hell would that stop someone who wanted to
kill twenty kids? It might make him a
little slower, but not much!

Yeah, lets make it as easy as possible.

That was kind of a stupid reply. C-4 would make it *very* easy. In
fact, I'm wondering why some
jihadist hasn't strapped a bomb to her chest and walked into a
school cafeteria during lunchtime.

Yeah, it wasn't the time for sarcasm. You got my point though.

If the goal is to make the killing of 20 kids take 10 seconds
longer, then it's a stupid goal! Do
you get the point?


Look who's being stupid... the goal is to make the potential killing of
20 kids result in less than 20 dead kids. The fewer the better. I
don't buy your assertions.

I'd much rather find a solution that would prevent the killing of all
twenty, not just allow the
killing of 19.

I guess that's a hard one.


It is. I don't think it's effective to hold out for perfection.

And it's all politics on both sides of the argument...

seems like an excuse to do nothing. I'll take improvement.

It's "politics" to not want innocent children dying?? You ARE a ****ing
moron.

Agreed, Kevin.

I'm not Kevin, but I'm glad that you agree you are a moron.

Scarborough gets it right
 

In article , says...

On 12/21/2012 5:20 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Fri, 21 Dec 2012 14:50:28 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

In article , says...

On 12/21/2012 11:30 AM, thumper wrote:
On 12/21/2012 6:38 AM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Thu, 20 Dec 2012 21:40:27 -0800, thumper wrote:

On 12/20/2012 11:54 AM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Wed, 19 Dec 2012 19:25:08 -0800, thumper wrote:

On 12/19/2012 12:49 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Tue, 18 Dec 2012 22:33:35 -0800, thumper wrote:

On 12/18/2012 12:21 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:

Fine - do away with 'military style...combat assault rifles with
high capacity (not defined)
magazines'. How the hell would that stop someone who wanted to
kill twenty kids? It might make him a
little slower, but not much!

Yeah, lets make it as easy as possible.

That was kind of a stupid reply. C-4 would make it *very* easy. In
fact, I'm wondering why some
jihadist hasn't strapped a bomb to her chest and walked into a
school cafeteria during lunchtime.

Yeah, it wasn't the time for sarcasm. You got my point though.

If the goal is to make the killing of 20 kids take 10 seconds
longer, then it's a stupid goal! Do
you get the point?


Look who's being stupid... the goal is to make the potential killing of
20 kids result in less than 20 dead kids. The fewer the better. I
don't buy your assertions.

I'd much rather find a solution that would prevent the killing of all
twenty, not just allow the
killing of 19.

I guess that's a hard one.


It is. I don't think it's effective to hold out for perfection.

And it's all politics on both sides of the argument...

seems like an excuse to do nothing. I'll take improvement.

It's "politics" to not want innocent children dying?? You ARE a ****ing
moron.

Agreed, Kevin.


**** you john, just because I don't need a penis gun like you.... You
are a ****ing asshole to the max...

There's that compassionate Christian.....

Scarborough gets it right
 

On Fri, 21 Dec 2012 19:43:47 -0500, JustWait wrote:

On 12/21/2012 5:20 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Fri, 21 Dec 2012 14:50:28 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

In article , says...

On 12/21/2012 11:30 AM, thumper wrote:
On 12/21/2012 6:38 AM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Thu, 20 Dec 2012 21:40:27 -0800, thumper wrote:

On 12/20/2012 11:54 AM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Wed, 19 Dec 2012 19:25:08 -0800, thumper wrote:

On 12/19/2012 12:49 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Tue, 18 Dec 2012 22:33:35 -0800, thumper wrote:

On 12/18/2012 12:21 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:

Fine - do away with 'military style...combat assault rifles with
high capacity (not defined)
magazines'. How the hell would that stop someone who wanted to
kill twenty kids? It might make him a
little slower, but not much!

Yeah, lets make it as easy as possible.

That was kind of a stupid reply. C-4 would make it *very* easy. In
fact, I'm wondering why some
jihadist hasn't strapped a bomb to her chest and walked into a
school cafeteria during lunchtime.

Yeah, it wasn't the time for sarcasm. You got my point though.

If the goal is to make the killing of 20 kids take 10 seconds
longer, then it's a stupid goal! Do
you get the point?


Look who's being stupid... the goal is to make the potential killing of
20 kids result in less than 20 dead kids. The fewer the better. I
don't buy your assertions.

I'd much rather find a solution that would prevent the killing of all
twenty, not just allow the
killing of 19.

I guess that's a hard one.


It is. I don't think it's effective to hold out for perfection.

And it's all politics on both sides of the argument...

seems like an excuse to do nothing. I'll take improvement.

It's "politics" to not want innocent children dying?? You ARE a ****ing
moron.

Agreed, Kevin.


**** you john, just because I don't need a penis gun like you.... You
are a ****ing asshole to the max...

Scotty, I didn't agree with the name-calling ****. I should have been more clear. I apologize for
that part of the message.

But, your 'it's all politics' comment was totally out of place. You have been preaching against the
30-round clip. All here have agreed it's not needed for civilians - multiple times. You continue to
act as though you had this super idea and no one is agreeing with it and everyone is political.

My 'penis gun' is a Winchester Model 94 .30-.30 - one of these:
http://www.wisnersinc.com/additional...%20carbine.jpg

Oh, I also have a .22 rifle and a 12 gauge.shotgun. Not much 'penis' there, is there?

I used one of your 'penis guns' while in Vietnam. Didn't like it. But, it would spray a lot of ammo
in a hurry!