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This guy doesn't realize that Scientist Scotty says this can't be done!
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This guy doesn't realize that Scientist Scotty says this can'tbe done!
On 12/2/12 2:11 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 02 Dec 2012 13:10:17 -0500, ESAD wrote: On 12/2/12 12:59 PM, wrote: On Sat, 1 Dec 2012 12:43:53 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: http://tinyurl.com/crdb3z9 If you really think this will be a net zero home you are delusional. That tiny solar array won't even run the A/C for a 4500 sq/ft house. You can pay a lot of electric bills for the half million extra this house costs over the garden variety megabuck Rutenburg house. I like the fishpond in the courtyard. Did you ever get put to National Geographic in Gathersburg/Germantown? The pond there is part of their energy management system. That is why it seldom if ever freezes. Usually there is steam coming off of it. The building generates far more heat than it uses, just from the electrical load and the latent heat of a couple thousand employees. None of this helps much in the summer tho. If they dumped the HVAC heat in that pond, they would boil all the water out. That is the problem with this Rutenburg house. The HVAC load, 24/7 is going to be more than the small collector array in that picture will handle, even with the LG mini split system. They will need to book a lot of excess power in the day to make up for the night. Usually the kind of people who buy a Rutenburg house will be running the A/C with the sliders open anyway, maybe even burning that "ethanol" fireplace. (like ethanol was in any way ecologically or financially beneficial) I like the possibilities of wind and photovoltaic where technology and climate conditions warrant. The house under question looks to me as if weekly visits from various technicians and repairmen will be necessary. We went with 6" wall studs to accommodate extra insulation in the walls and extra batts in the attic for a reasonable increase in construction price. Every so often we are "invited" to get a proposal from a contractor installing buried pipe heat pump heat exchangers, but the cost is pretty high and I wonder about the service calls when leaks develop. Our local energy co-op has all sorts of devices attached here to monitor and control electric use, especially in the summer. So far I've not noticed them having any impact on the comfort levels inside. |
This guy doesn't realize that Scientist Scotty says this can't be done!
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says... On Sat, 1 Dec 2012 12:43:53 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: http://tinyurl.com/crdb3z9 If you really think this will be a net zero home you are delusional. That tiny solar array won't even run the A/C for a 4500 sq/ft house. You can pay a lot of electric bills for the half million extra this house costs over the garden variety megabuck Rutenburg house. You fail to get the point, and the rest of the article. "Two weeks ago, he bought land for the first Zero Energy America Village, a prototype community just south of the Pinellas-Pasco border on East Lake Road. The project will feature 1,600- to 1,800-square-foot homes with a target price of $250,000. "They will be amazingly healthy, totally green, and the homeowner will have no electric bills," said Rutenberg. "The village will be the proudest moment of our company to date." |
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On 12/2/2012 12:59 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 1 Dec 2012 12:43:53 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: http://tinyurl.com/crdb3z9 If you really think this will be a net zero home you are delusional. That tiny solar array won't even run the A/C for a 4500 sq/ft house. You can pay a lot of electric bills for the half million extra this house costs over the garden variety megabuck Rutenburg house. |
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On 12/2/12 4:58 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 12/2/2012 12:59 PM, wrote: On Sat, 1 Dec 2012 12:43:53 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: http://tinyurl.com/crdb3z9 If you really think this will be a net zero home you are delusional. That tiny solar array won't even run the A/C for a 4500 sq/ft house. You can pay a lot of electric bills for the half million extra this house costs over the garden variety megabuck Rutenburg house. I thought you and Loogie were bosom buddies, and that you were in touch with his sickly wife and so on and so forth. Don't you get weary of this? (Not that I care. I don't.) |
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On Sunday, December 2, 2012 5:43:10 PM UTC-5, ESAD wrote:
I thought you and Loogie were bosom buddies, and that you were in touch with his sickly wife and so on and so forth. Don't you get weary of this? (Not that I care. I don't.) We do care that you don't pay your taxes. |
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This guy doesn't realize that Scientist Scotty says this can't be done!
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says... On Sun, 02 Dec 2012 13:10:17 -0500, ESAD wrote: On 12/2/12 12:59 PM, wrote: On Sat, 1 Dec 2012 12:43:53 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: http://tinyurl.com/crdb3z9 If you really think this will be a net zero home you are delusional. That tiny solar array won't even run the A/C for a 4500 sq/ft house. You can pay a lot of electric bills for the half million extra this house costs over the garden variety megabuck Rutenburg house. I like the fishpond in the courtyard. Did you ever get put to National Geographic in Gathersburg/Germantown? The pond there is part of their energy management system. That is why it seldom if ever freezes. Usually there is steam coming off of it. The building generates far more heat than it uses, just from the electrical load and the latent heat of a couple thousand employees. None of this helps much in the summer tho. If they dumped the HVAC heat in that pond, they would boil all the water out. That is the problem with this Rutenburg house. The HVAC load, 24/7 is going to be more than the small collector array in that picture will handle, even with the LG mini split system. They will need to book a lot of excess power in the day to make up for the night. Usually the kind of people who buy a Rutenburg house will be running the A/C with the sliders open anyway, maybe even burning that "ethanol" fireplace. (like ethanol was in any way ecologically or financially beneficial) Montgomery County police now occupy the old Nat Geo building and grounds. http://www.mymcpnews.com/ http://www.mymcpnews.com/districts/p...-headquarters/ Nice digs for a county police department. |
This guy doesn't realize that Scientist Scotty says this can't be done!
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says... On 12/2/12 2:11 PM, wrote: On Sun, 02 Dec 2012 13:10:17 -0500, ESAD wrote: On 12/2/12 12:59 PM, wrote: On Sat, 1 Dec 2012 12:43:53 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: http://tinyurl.com/crdb3z9 If you really think this will be a net zero home you are delusional. That tiny solar array won't even run the A/C for a 4500 sq/ft house. You can pay a lot of electric bills for the half million extra this house costs over the garden variety megabuck Rutenburg house. I like the fishpond in the courtyard. Did you ever get put to National Geographic in Gathersburg/Germantown? The pond there is part of their energy management system. That is why it seldom if ever freezes. Usually there is steam coming off of it. The building generates far more heat than it uses, just from the electrical load and the latent heat of a couple thousand employees. None of this helps much in the summer tho. If they dumped the HVAC heat in that pond, they would boil all the water out. That is the problem with this Rutenburg house. The HVAC load, 24/7 is going to be more than the small collector array in that picture will handle, even with the LG mini split system. They will need to book a lot of excess power in the day to make up for the night. Usually the kind of people who buy a Rutenburg house will be running the A/C with the sliders open anyway, maybe even burning that "ethanol" fireplace. (like ethanol was in any way ecologically or financially beneficial) I like the possibilities of wind and photovoltaic where technology and climate conditions warrant. The house under question looks to me as if weekly visits from various technicians and repairmen will be necessary. We went with 6" wall studs to accommodate extra insulation in the walls and extra batts in the attic for a reasonable increase in construction price. Every so often we are "invited" to get a proposal from a contractor installing buried pipe heat pump heat exchangers, but the cost is pretty high and I wonder about the service calls when leaks develop. Our local energy co-op has all sorts of devices attached here to monitor and control electric use, especially in the summer. So far I've not noticed them having any impact on the comfort levels inside. Nobody cares about your standard stick-built house. Pay your taxes and your debts. |
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JustWait wrote:
On 12/2/2012 12:59 PM, wrote: On Sat, 1 Dec 2012 12:43:53 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: http://tinyurl.com/crdb3z9 If you really think this will be a net zero home you are delusional. That tiny solar array won't even run the A/C for a 4500 sq/ft house. You can pay a lot of electric bills for the half million extra this house costs over the garden variety megabuck Rutenburg house. Even if it was a zero sum home. Those that can afford a 4000'+ home should be able to afford electricity. Part of our housing problem is all these middle class or lower people who just needed a large mansion. Hang the cost vs. income, I got a cheap loan! |
This guy doesn't realize that Scientist Scotty says this can't be done!
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says... On Sun, 2 Dec 2012 15:12:00 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Sat, 1 Dec 2012 12:43:53 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: http://tinyurl.com/crdb3z9 If you really think this will be a net zero home you are delusional. That tiny solar array won't even run the A/C for a 4500 sq/ft house. You can pay a lot of electric bills for the half million extra this house costs over the garden variety megabuck Rutenburg house. You fail to get the point, and the rest of the article. "Two weeks ago, he bought land for the first Zero Energy America Village, a prototype community just south of the Pinellas-Pasco border on East Lake Road. The project will feature 1,600- to 1,800-square-foot homes with a target price of $250,000. "They will be amazingly healthy, totally green, and the homeowner will have no electric bills," said Rutenberg. "The village will be the proudest moment of our company to date." Considering a 1600 sq/ft house is going for less than $200k up there in cow country if it is a real nice one (granite and hardwood kitchen sort of thing) it is still putting $150k down against future electric bills. Are you saying that a 1600 square foot home outside of Tampa is going for $50k???? Are you nuts? I am still waiting for someone to tell me what the maintenance costs are and how well these collectors hold up to being hit by lightning, 100 MPH winds and flying debris. I am still thinking about doing it myself but as long as this is a high 5 figure or 6 figure investment, I can't make financial sense out of it. Yes, you and other right wingers have shown your disdain for anything innovative and on the technological forefront. |
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says... On 12/2/12 4:58 PM, JustWait wrote: On 12/2/2012 12:59 PM, wrote: On Sat, 1 Dec 2012 12:43:53 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: http://tinyurl.com/crdb3z9 If you really think this will be a net zero home you are delusional. That tiny solar array won't even run the A/C for a 4500 sq/ft house. You can pay a lot of electric bills for the half million extra this house costs over the garden variety megabuck Rutenburg house. I thought you and Loogie were bosom buddies, and that you were in touch with his sickly wife and so on and so forth. Don't you get weary of this? (Not that I care. I don't.) Pay your taxes, deadbeat. |
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, says... JustWait wrote: On 12/2/2012 12:59 PM, wrote: On Sat, 1 Dec 2012 12:43:53 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: http://tinyurl.com/crdb3z9 If you really think this will be a net zero home you are delusional. That tiny solar array won't even run the A/C for a 4500 sq/ft house. You can pay a lot of electric bills for the half million extra this house costs over the garden variety megabuck Rutenburg house. Even if it was a zero sum home. Those that can afford a 4000'+ home should be able to afford electricity. Part of our housing problem is all these middle class or lower people who just needed a large mansion. Hang the cost vs. income, I got a cheap loan! Affording electricity has NOTHING to do with it. |
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"iBoaterer" wrote in message
... In article 1493745639376183490.518525bmckeenospam- , says... JustWait wrote: On 12/2/2012 12:59 PM, wrote: On Sat, 1 Dec 2012 12:43:53 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: http://tinyurl.com/crdb3z9 If you really think this will be a net zero home you are delusional. That tiny solar array won't even run the A/C for a 4500 sq/ft house. You can pay a lot of electric bills for the half million extra this house costs over the garden variety megabuck Rutenburg house. Even if it was a zero sum home. Those that can afford a 4000'+ home should be able to afford electricity. Part of our housing problem is all these middle class or lower people who just needed a large mansion. Hang the cost vs. income, I got a cheap loan! Affording electricity has NOTHING to do with it. -------------------------- It has lots to do with it in this case. |
This guy doesn't realize that Scientist Scotty says this can't be done!
"iBoaterer" wrote in message
... In article , says... On Sun, 2 Dec 2012 15:12:00 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Sat, 1 Dec 2012 12:43:53 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: http://tinyurl.com/crdb3z9 If you really think this will be a net zero home you are delusional. That tiny solar array won't even run the A/C for a 4500 sq/ft house. You can pay a lot of electric bills for the half million extra this house costs over the garden variety megabuck Rutenburg house. You fail to get the point, and the rest of the article. "Two weeks ago, he bought land for the first Zero Energy America Village, a prototype community just south of the Pinellas-Pasco border on East Lake Road. The project will feature 1,600- to 1,800-square-foot homes with a target price of $250,000. "They will be amazingly healthy, totally green, and the homeowner will have no electric bills," said Rutenberg. "The village will be the proudest moment of our company to date." Considering a 1600 sq/ft house is going for less than $200k up there in cow country if it is a real nice one (granite and hardwood kitchen sort of thing) it is still putting $150k down against future electric bills. Are you saying that a 1600 square foot home outside of Tampa is going for $50k???? Are you nuts? I am still waiting for someone to tell me what the maintenance costs are and how well these collectors hold up to being hit by lightning, 100 MPH winds and flying debris. I am still thinking about doing it myself but as long as this is a high 5 figure or 6 figure investment, I can't make financial sense out of it. Yes, you and other right wingers have shown your disdain for anything innovative and on the technological forefront. ------------------------------ You and the other left wingers have shown your distain for any financial responsibility. |
This guy doesn't realize that Scientist Scotty says this can't be done!
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says... On Mon, 3 Dec 2012 08:33:42 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... The project will feature 1,600- to 1,800-square-foot homes with a target price of $250,000. "They will be amazingly healthy, totally green, and the homeowner will have no electric bills," said Rutenberg. "The village will be the proudest moment of our company to date." Considering a 1600 sq/ft house is going for less than $200k up there in cow country if it is a real nice one (granite and hardwood kitchen sort of thing) it is still putting $150k down against future electric bills. Are you saying that a 1600 square foot home outside of Tampa is going for $50k???? Are you nuts? We both appear to suck at math today The $50k is the down payment on your future electric bill (not $150k as I said) I am not sure how you got to the price being $50k 250 - 150 is 100. BTW the Pasco County line is not really "just outside of Tampa" in any meaningful sense. It is 20-30 miles and if they are not near the Veterans toll road, it is not an easy ride. If you are not on a lake or a salt water canal up there, houses are cheap. For that matter Tampa is not really that expensive either. I am only amazed that Rutenburg is selling anything for $250k. His houses usually run in the $750-1m range and are those 4000-5000 sq/ft McMansions at the top of the article. These days they do go a bit cheaper particularly in the wilds of Pasco County. (if you go there you will think this is where rednecks come from). I am still waiting for someone to tell me what the maintenance costs are and how well these collectors hold up to being hit by lightning, 100 MPH winds and flying debris. I am still thinking about doing it myself but as long as this is a high 5 figure or 6 figure investment, I can't make financial sense out of it. Yes, you and other right wingers have shown your disdain for anything innovative and on the technological forefront. I take it you haven't been to the area. The area of the Hillsboro county line is now called.... "New Tampa". I have a cousin who lives in Zephyrhills, FL which is now really just a suburb of Tampa. http://www.trulia.com/home_prices/Fl...unty-heat_map/ Now, you said that at $200k you were putting $150 down toward "future electric bills". That leaves $50k. |
This guy doesn't realize that Scientist Scotty says this can't be done!
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says... "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... On Sun, 2 Dec 2012 15:12:00 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Sat, 1 Dec 2012 12:43:53 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: http://tinyurl.com/crdb3z9 If you really think this will be a net zero home you are delusional. That tiny solar array won't even run the A/C for a 4500 sq/ft house. You can pay a lot of electric bills for the half million extra this house costs over the garden variety megabuck Rutenburg house. You fail to get the point, and the rest of the article. "Two weeks ago, he bought land for the first Zero Energy America Village, a prototype community just south of the Pinellas-Pasco border on East Lake Road. The project will feature 1,600- to 1,800-square-foot homes with a target price of $250,000. "They will be amazingly healthy, totally green, and the homeowner will have no electric bills," said Rutenberg. "The village will be the proudest moment of our company to date." Considering a 1600 sq/ft house is going for less than $200k up there in cow country if it is a real nice one (granite and hardwood kitchen sort of thing) it is still putting $150k down against future electric bills. Are you saying that a 1600 square foot home outside of Tampa is going for $50k???? Are you nuts? I am still waiting for someone to tell me what the maintenance costs are and how well these collectors hold up to being hit by lightning, 100 MPH winds and flying debris. I am still thinking about doing it myself but as long as this is a high 5 figure or 6 figure investment, I can't make financial sense out of it. Yes, you and other right wingers have shown your disdain for anything innovative and on the technological forefront. ------------------------------ You and the other left wingers have shown your distain for any financial responsibility. I have plenty of "financial responsibility". And where do you get the notion that I'm a "left winger"? |
This guy doesn't realize that Scientist Scotty says this can't be done!
"iBoaterer" wrote in message
... In article , says... "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... On Sun, 2 Dec 2012 15:12:00 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Sat, 1 Dec 2012 12:43:53 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: http://tinyurl.com/crdb3z9 If you really think this will be a net zero home you are delusional. That tiny solar array won't even run the A/C for a 4500 sq/ft house. You can pay a lot of electric bills for the half million extra this house costs over the garden variety megabuck Rutenburg house. You fail to get the point, and the rest of the article. "Two weeks ago, he bought land for the first Zero Energy America Village, a prototype community just south of the Pinellas-Pasco border on East Lake Road. The project will feature 1,600- to 1,800-square-foot homes with a target price of $250,000. "They will be amazingly healthy, totally green, and the homeowner will have no electric bills," said Rutenberg. "The village will be the proudest moment of our company to date." Considering a 1600 sq/ft house is going for less than $200k up there in cow country if it is a real nice one (granite and hardwood kitchen sort of thing) it is still putting $150k down against future electric bills. Are you saying that a 1600 square foot home outside of Tampa is going for $50k???? Are you nuts? I am still waiting for someone to tell me what the maintenance costs are and how well these collectors hold up to being hit by lightning, 100 MPH winds and flying debris. I am still thinking about doing it myself but as long as this is a high 5 figure or 6 figure investment, I can't make financial sense out of it. Yes, you and other right wingers have shown your disdain for anything innovative and on the technological forefront. ------------------------------ You and the other left wingers have shown your distain for any financial responsibility. I have plenty of "financial responsibility". And where do you get the notion that I'm a "left winger"? --------------------------- You argue the left's side. and the left seems to lack any financial responsibility. |
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On 12/3/2012 12:26 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 3 Dec 2012 08:33:42 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: I am still thinking about doing it myself but as long as this is a high 5 figure or 6 figure investment, I can't make financial sense out of it. Yes, you and other right wingers have shown your disdain for anything innovative and on the technological forefront. This right winger already has a couple hundred sq/ft of solar collector on his house and a few proposals for more. What do you have? http://gfretwell.com/ftp/house%20aerial.jpg I suppose the hot air you blow on this BB may count as something since it seems totally renewable. It just keeps coming and coming. If we could just harness that power for something useful. LOL!! |
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says... "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article 1493745639376183490.518525bmckeenospam- , says... JustWait wrote: On 12/2/2012 12:59 PM, wrote: On Sat, 1 Dec 2012 12:43:53 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: http://tinyurl.com/crdb3z9 If you really think this will be a net zero home you are delusional. That tiny solar array won't even run the A/C for a 4500 sq/ft house. You can pay a lot of electric bills for the half million extra this house costs over the garden variety megabuck Rutenburg house. Even if it was a zero sum home. Those that can afford a 4000'+ home should be able to afford electricity. Part of our housing problem is all these middle class or lower people who just needed a large mansion. Hang the cost vs. income, I got a cheap loan! Affording electricity has NOTHING to do with it. -------------------------- It has lots to do with it in this case. No, it doesn't. |
This guy doesn't realize that Scientist Scotty says this can't be done!
In article ,
says... "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... On Sun, 2 Dec 2012 15:12:00 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Sat, 1 Dec 2012 12:43:53 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: http://tinyurl.com/crdb3z9 If you really think this will be a net zero home you are delusional. That tiny solar array won't even run the A/C for a 4500 sq/ft house. You can pay a lot of electric bills for the half million extra this house costs over the garden variety megabuck Rutenburg house. You fail to get the point, and the rest of the article. "Two weeks ago, he bought land for the first Zero Energy America Village, a prototype community just south of the Pinellas-Pasco border on East Lake Road. The project will feature 1,600- to 1,800-square-foot homes with a target price of $250,000. "They will be amazingly healthy, totally green, and the homeowner will have no electric bills," said Rutenberg. "The village will be the proudest moment of our company to date." Considering a 1600 sq/ft house is going for less than $200k up there in cow country if it is a real nice one (granite and hardwood kitchen sort of thing) it is still putting $150k down against future electric bills. Are you saying that a 1600 square foot home outside of Tampa is going for $50k???? Are you nuts? I am still waiting for someone to tell me what the maintenance costs are and how well these collectors hold up to being hit by lightning, 100 MPH winds and flying debris. I am still thinking about doing it myself but as long as this is a high 5 figure or 6 figure investment, I can't make financial sense out of it. Yes, you and other right wingers have shown your disdain for anything innovative and on the technological forefront. ------------------------------ You and the other left wingers have shown your distain for any financial responsibility. I have plenty of "financial responsibility". And where do you get the notion that I'm a "left winger"? --------------------------- You argue the left's side. and the left seems to lack any financial responsibility. I argue MY side, the sane side. |
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In article ,
says... In article , says... "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article 1493745639376183490.518525bmckeenospam- , says... JustWait wrote: On 12/2/2012 12:59 PM, wrote: On Sat, 1 Dec 2012 12:43:53 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: http://tinyurl.com/crdb3z9 If you really think this will be a net zero home you are delusional. That tiny solar array won't even run the A/C for a 4500 sq/ft house. You can pay a lot of electric bills for the half million extra this house costs over the garden variety megabuck Rutenburg house. Even if it was a zero sum home. Those that can afford a 4000'+ home should be able to afford electricity. Part of our housing problem is all these middle class or lower people who just needed a large mansion. Hang the cost vs. income, I got a cheap loan! Affording electricity has NOTHING to do with it. -------------------------- It has lots to do with it in this case. No, it doesn't. Please enlighten us as to why being able to afford the electricity is not relevant? |
This guy doesn't realize that Scientist Scotty says this can't be done!
In article ,
says... In article , says... On Mon, 3 Dec 2012 08:33:42 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... The project will feature 1,600- to 1,800-square-foot homes with a target price of $250,000. "They will be amazingly healthy, totally green, and the homeowner will have no electric bills," said Rutenberg. "The village will be the proudest moment of our company to date." Considering a 1600 sq/ft house is going for less than $200k up there in cow country if it is a real nice one (granite and hardwood kitchen sort of thing) it is still putting $150k down against future electric bills. Are you saying that a 1600 square foot home outside of Tampa is going for $50k???? Are you nuts? We both appear to suck at math today The $50k is the down payment on your future electric bill (not $150k as I said) I am not sure how you got to the price being $50k 250 - 150 is 100. BTW the Pasco County line is not really "just outside of Tampa" in any meaningful sense. It is 20-30 miles and if they are not near the Veterans toll road, it is not an easy ride. If you are not on a lake or a salt water canal up there, houses are cheap. For that matter Tampa is not really that expensive either. I am only amazed that Rutenburg is selling anything for $250k. His houses usually run in the $750-1m range and are those 4000-5000 sq/ft McMansions at the top of the article. These days they do go a bit cheaper particularly in the wilds of Pasco County. (if you go there you will think this is where rednecks come from). I am still waiting for someone to tell me what the maintenance costs are and how well these collectors hold up to being hit by lightning, 100 MPH winds and flying debris. I am still thinking about doing it myself but as long as this is a high 5 figure or 6 figure investment, I can't make financial sense out of it. Yes, you and other right wingers have shown your disdain for anything innovative and on the technological forefront. I take it you haven't been to the area. The area of the Hillsboro county line is now called.... "New Tampa". I have a cousin who lives in Zephyrhills, FL which is now really just a suburb of Tampa. http://www.trulia.com/home_prices/Fl...unty-heat_map/ Now, you said that at $200k you were putting $150 down toward "future electric bills". That leaves $50k. I remember Z-Hills fondly. Riding the various DC-3's with 40 om my friends and doing 40 way sequential skydiving. Great place for a respite from the cold winters of the north. |
This guy doesn't realize that Scientist Scotty says this can't be done!
In article ,
says... In article , says... "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... On Sun, 2 Dec 2012 15:12:00 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Sat, 1 Dec 2012 12:43:53 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: http://tinyurl.com/crdb3z9 If you really think this will be a net zero home you are delusional. That tiny solar array won't even run the A/C for a 4500 sq/ft house. You can pay a lot of electric bills for the half million extra this house costs over the garden variety megabuck Rutenburg house. You fail to get the point, and the rest of the article. "Two weeks ago, he bought land for the first Zero Energy America Village, a prototype community just south of the Pinellas-Pasco border on East Lake Road. The project will feature 1,600- to 1,800-square-foot homes with a target price of $250,000. "They will be amazingly healthy, totally green, and the homeowner will have no electric bills," said Rutenberg. "The village will be the proudest moment of our company to date." Considering a 1600 sq/ft house is going for less than $200k up there in cow country if it is a real nice one (granite and hardwood kitchen sort of thing) it is still putting $150k down against future electric bills. Are you saying that a 1600 square foot home outside of Tampa is going for $50k???? Are you nuts? I am still waiting for someone to tell me what the maintenance costs are and how well these collectors hold up to being hit by lightning, 100 MPH winds and flying debris. I am still thinking about doing it myself but as long as this is a high 5 figure or 6 figure investment, I can't make financial sense out of it. Yes, you and other right wingers have shown your disdain for anything innovative and on the technological forefront. ------------------------------ You and the other left wingers have shown your distain for any financial responsibility. I have plenty of "financial responsibility". And where do you get the notion that I'm a "left winger"? Look in the mirror. |
This guy doesn't realize that Scientist Scotty says this can't be done!
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says... In article , says... On Sun, 2 Dec 2012 15:12:00 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Sat, 1 Dec 2012 12:43:53 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: http://tinyurl.com/crdb3z9 If you really think this will be a net zero home you are delusional. That tiny solar array won't even run the A/C for a 4500 sq/ft house. You can pay a lot of electric bills for the half million extra this house costs over the garden variety megabuck Rutenburg house. You fail to get the point, and the rest of the article. "Two weeks ago, he bought land for the first Zero Energy America Village, a prototype community just south of the Pinellas-Pasco border on East Lake Road. The project will feature 1,600- to 1,800-square-foot homes with a target price of $250,000. "They will be amazingly healthy, totally green, and the homeowner will have no electric bills," said Rutenberg. "The village will be the proudest moment of our company to date." Considering a 1600 sq/ft house is going for less than $200k up there in cow country if it is a real nice one (granite and hardwood kitchen sort of thing) it is still putting $150k down against future electric bills. Are you saying that a 1600 square foot home outside of Tampa is going for $50k???? Are you nuts? http://www.realtor.com/soldhomeprice...rice-na-100000 I am still waiting for someone to tell me what the maintenance costs are and how well these collectors hold up to being hit by lightning, 100 MPH winds and flying debris. I am still thinking about doing it myself but as long as this is a high 5 figure or 6 figure investment, I can't make financial sense out of it. Yes, you and other right wingers have shown your disdain for anything innovative and on the technological forefront. Innovation has to have a pay-off. |
Cowardly Kevin Noble is out trolling again...
ESAD wrote:
On 12/2/12 4:58 PM, JustWait wrote: On 12/2/2012 12:59 PM, wrote: On Sat, 1 Dec 2012 12:43:53 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: http://tinyurl.com/crdb3z9 If you really think this will be a net zero home you are delusional. That tiny solar array won't even run the A/C for a 4500 sq/ft house. You can pay a lot of electric bills for the half million extra this house costs over the garden variety megabuck Rutenburg house. I thought you and Loogie were bosom buddies, and that you were in touch with his sickly wife and so on and so forth. Don't you get weary of this? (Not that I care. I don't.) **** off Krause. Come back after you have paid the IRS and the penalties. At least they can't take her house from you! |
Cowardly Kevin Noble is out trolling again...
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says... In article , says... In article , says... "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article 1493745639376183490.518525bmckeenospam- , says... JustWait wrote: On 12/2/2012 12:59 PM, wrote: On Sat, 1 Dec 2012 12:43:53 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: http://tinyurl.com/crdb3z9 If you really think this will be a net zero home you are delusional. That tiny solar array won't even run the A/C for a 4500 sq/ft house. You can pay a lot of electric bills for the half million extra this house costs over the garden variety megabuck Rutenburg house. Even if it was a zero sum home. Those that can afford a 4000'+ home should be able to afford electricity. Part of our housing problem is all these middle class or lower people who just needed a large mansion. Hang the cost vs. income, I got a cheap loan! Affording electricity has NOTHING to do with it. -------------------------- It has lots to do with it in this case. No, it doesn't. Please enlighten us as to why being able to afford the electricity is not relevant? Because that simply NOT the point of the zero sum home. Are you really that stupid, or just acting like it for attention? |
This guy doesn't realize that Scientist Scotty says this can't be done!
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says... In article , says... In article , says... On Mon, 3 Dec 2012 08:33:42 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... The project will feature 1,600- to 1,800-square-foot homes with a target price of $250,000. "They will be amazingly healthy, totally green, and the homeowner will have no electric bills," said Rutenberg. "The village will be the proudest moment of our company to date." Considering a 1600 sq/ft house is going for less than $200k up there in cow country if it is a real nice one (granite and hardwood kitchen sort of thing) it is still putting $150k down against future electric bills. Are you saying that a 1600 square foot home outside of Tampa is going for $50k???? Are you nuts? We both appear to suck at math today The $50k is the down payment on your future electric bill (not $150k as I said) I am not sure how you got to the price being $50k 250 - 150 is 100. BTW the Pasco County line is not really "just outside of Tampa" in any meaningful sense. It is 20-30 miles and if they are not near the Veterans toll road, it is not an easy ride. If you are not on a lake or a salt water canal up there, houses are cheap. For that matter Tampa is not really that expensive either. I am only amazed that Rutenburg is selling anything for $250k. His houses usually run in the $750-1m range and are those 4000-5000 sq/ft McMansions at the top of the article. These days they do go a bit cheaper particularly in the wilds of Pasco County. (if you go there you will think this is where rednecks come from). I am still waiting for someone to tell me what the maintenance costs are and how well these collectors hold up to being hit by lightning, 100 MPH winds and flying debris. I am still thinking about doing it myself but as long as this is a high 5 figure or 6 figure investment, I can't make financial sense out of it. Yes, you and other right wingers have shown your disdain for anything innovative and on the technological forefront. I take it you haven't been to the area. The area of the Hillsboro county line is now called.... "New Tampa". I have a cousin who lives in Zephyrhills, FL which is now really just a suburb of Tampa. http://www.trulia.com/home_prices/Fl...unty-heat_map/ Now, you said that at $200k you were putting $150 down toward "future electric bills". That leaves $50k. I remember Z-Hills fondly. Riding the various DC-3's with 40 om my friends and doing 40 way sequential skydiving. Great place for a respite from the cold winters of the north. Mr. Douglas was the blue one with blue tinted windows, sweet plane. |
This guy doesn't realize that Scientist Scotty says this can't be done!
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says... In article , says... In article , says... On Sun, 2 Dec 2012 15:12:00 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Sat, 1 Dec 2012 12:43:53 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: http://tinyurl.com/crdb3z9 If you really think this will be a net zero home you are delusional. That tiny solar array won't even run the A/C for a 4500 sq/ft house. You can pay a lot of electric bills for the half million extra this house costs over the garden variety megabuck Rutenburg house. You fail to get the point, and the rest of the article. "Two weeks ago, he bought land for the first Zero Energy America Village, a prototype community just south of the Pinellas-Pasco border on East Lake Road. The project will feature 1,600- to 1,800-square-foot homes with a target price of $250,000. "They will be amazingly healthy, totally green, and the homeowner will have no electric bills," said Rutenberg. "The village will be the proudest moment of our company to date." Considering a 1600 sq/ft house is going for less than $200k up there in cow country if it is a real nice one (granite and hardwood kitchen sort of thing) it is still putting $150k down against future electric bills. Are you saying that a 1600 square foot home outside of Tampa is going for $50k???? Are you nuts? http://www.realtor.com/soldhomeprice...rice-na-100000 I am still waiting for someone to tell me what the maintenance costs are and how well these collectors hold up to being hit by lightning, 100 MPH winds and flying debris. I am still thinking about doing it myself but as long as this is a high 5 figure or 6 figure investment, I can't make financial sense out of it. Yes, you and other right wingers have shown your disdain for anything innovative and on the technological forefront. Innovation has to have a pay-off. Immediately? You do realize that most innovation is at first, not financially feasible don't you? Do you think Orville and Wilbur's plane on Kitty Hawk was immediately a financial success? Henry Ford's car? |
This guy doesn't realize that Scientist Scotty says this can't be done!
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This guy doesn't realize that Scientist Scotty says this can't be done!
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This guy doesn't realize that Scientist Scotty says this can't be done!
iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says... "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... On Sun, 2 Dec 2012 15:12:00 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Sat, 1 Dec 2012 12:43:53 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: http://tinyurl.com/crdb3z9 If you really think this will be a net zero home you are delusional. That tiny solar array won't even run the A/C for a 4500 sq/ft house. You can pay a lot of electric bills for the half million extra this house costs over the garden variety megabuck Rutenburg house. You fail to get the point, and the rest of the article. "Two weeks ago, he bought land for the first Zero Energy America Village, a prototype community just south of the Pinellas-Pasco border on East Lake Road. The project will feature 1,600- to 1,800-square-foot homes with a target price of $250,000. "They will be amazingly healthy, totally green, and the homeowner will have no electric bills," said Rutenberg. "The village will be the proudest moment of our company to date." Considering a 1600 sq/ft house is going for less than $200k up there in cow country if it is a real nice one (granite and hardwood kitchen sort of thing) it is still putting $150k down against future electric bills. Are you saying that a 1600 square foot home outside of Tampa is going for $50k???? Are you nuts? I am still waiting for someone to tell me what the maintenance costs are and how well these collectors hold up to being hit by lightning, 100 MPH winds and flying debris. I am still thinking about doing it myself but as long as this is a high 5 figure or 6 figure investment, I can't make financial sense out of it. Yes, you and other right wingers have shown your disdain for anything innovative and on the technological forefront. ------------------------------ You and the other left wingers have shown your distain for any financial responsibility. I have plenty of "financial responsibility". And where do you get the notion that I'm a "left winger"? --------------------------- You argue the left's side. and the left seems to lack any financial responsibility. I argue MY side, the sane side. What is sane about over spending for electricity, or for government? |
Cowardly Kevin Noble is out trolling again...
iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says... "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article 1493745639376183490.518525bmckeenospam- , says... JustWait wrote: On 12/2/2012 12:59 PM, wrote: On Sat, 1 Dec 2012 12:43:53 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: http://tinyurl.com/crdb3z9 If you really think this will be a net zero home you are delusional. That tiny solar array won't even run the A/C for a 4500 sq/ft house. You can pay a lot of electric bills for the half million extra this house costs over the garden variety megabuck Rutenburg house. Even if it was a zero sum home. Those that can afford a 4000'+ home should be able to afford electricity. Part of our housing problem is all these middle class or lower people who just needed a large mansion. Hang the cost vs. income, I got a cheap loan! Affording electricity has NOTHING to do with it. -------------------------- It has lots to do with it in this case. No, it doesn't. How much energy are those solar panels going to save? Consider the energy to make a small home system. Cheaper to buy the electricity, and may even be more energy efficient. |
This guy doesn't realize that Scientist Scotty says this can'tbe done!
On 12/4/2012 12:03 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 4 Dec 2012 09:05:23 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... I am really amazed at the left's fascination with alternate energy schemes that use massive government subsidies to make them attractive. This is the quintessential welfare for the rich at the expense of the poor. Do you mean like the oil industry? Or our current electric generating facilities? They are subsidized you know.... The alternate energy subsidies are 10 to 20 times the subsidy for oil and gas, (per KWH produced) depending on which you are talking about. In gross numbers nuclear gets many times more money than oil and gas. I notice you haven't answered about which alternate energy scheme YOU have bought into with your own money. (other than that which was taken without your permission by the government) .. Loogy invest in alternative energy? He doesn't have the where with all. Snerk. |
This guy doesn't realize that Scientist Scotty says this can't be done!
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, says... iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... On Sun, 2 Dec 2012 15:12:00 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Sat, 1 Dec 2012 12:43:53 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: http://tinyurl.com/crdb3z9 If you really think this will be a net zero home you are delusional. That tiny solar array won't even run the A/C for a 4500 sq/ft house. You can pay a lot of electric bills for the half million extra this house costs over the garden variety megabuck Rutenburg house. You fail to get the point, and the rest of the article. "Two weeks ago, he bought land for the first Zero Energy America Village, a prototype community just south of the Pinellas-Pasco border on East Lake Road. The project will feature 1,600- to 1,800-square-foot homes with a target price of $250,000. "They will be amazingly healthy, totally green, and the homeowner will have no electric bills," said Rutenberg. "The village will be the proudest moment of our company to date." Considering a 1600 sq/ft house is going for less than $200k up there in cow country if it is a real nice one (granite and hardwood kitchen sort of thing) it is still putting $150k down against future electric bills. Are you saying that a 1600 square foot home outside of Tampa is going for $50k???? Are you nuts? I am still waiting for someone to tell me what the maintenance costs are and how well these collectors hold up to being hit by lightning, 100 MPH winds and flying debris. I am still thinking about doing it myself but as long as this is a high 5 figure or 6 figure investment, I can't make financial sense out of it. Yes, you and other right wingers have shown your disdain for anything innovative and on the technological forefront. ------------------------------ You and the other left wingers have shown your distain for any financial responsibility. I have plenty of "financial responsibility". And where do you get the notion that I'm a "left winger"? --------------------------- You argue the left's side. and the left seems to lack any financial responsibility. I argue MY side, the sane side. What is sane about over spending for electricity, or for government? Who's overspending for electricity? And what does the article I posted about the net zero home have to do with government? |
Cowardly Kevin Noble is out trolling again...
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, says... iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article 1493745639376183490.518525bmckeenospam- , says... JustWait wrote: On 12/2/2012 12:59 PM, wrote: On Sat, 1 Dec 2012 12:43:53 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: http://tinyurl.com/crdb3z9 If you really think this will be a net zero home you are delusional. That tiny solar array won't even run the A/C for a 4500 sq/ft house. You can pay a lot of electric bills for the half million extra this house costs over the garden variety megabuck Rutenburg house. Even if it was a zero sum home. Those that can afford a 4000'+ home should be able to afford electricity. Part of our housing problem is all these middle class or lower people who just needed a large mansion. Hang the cost vs. income, I got a cheap loan! Affording electricity has NOTHING to do with it. -------------------------- It has lots to do with it in this case. No, it doesn't. How much energy are those solar panels going to save? Consider the energy to make a small home system. Cheaper to buy the electricity, and may even be more energy efficient. It's a net zero home, fool. You do know what that means, don't you? |
This guy doesn't realize that Scientist Scotty says this can't be done!
Meyer wrote:
On 12/4/2012 12:03 PM, wrote: On Tue, 4 Dec 2012 09:05:23 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... I am really amazed at the left's fascination with alternate energy schemes that use massive government subsidies to make them attractive. This is the quintessential welfare for the rich at the expense of the poor. Do you mean like the oil industry? Or our current electric generating facilities? They are subsidized you know.... The alternate energy subsidies are 10 to 20 times the subsidy for oil and gas, (per KWH produced) depending on which you are talking about. In gross numbers nuclear gets many times more money than oil and gas. I notice you haven't answered about which alternate energy scheme YOU have bought into with your own money. (other than that which was taken without your permission by the government) .. Loogy invest in alternative energy? He doesn't have the where with all. Snerk. He says he is moving non performing assets in to electric cars, etc. No wonder he has non performing assets. Bad investor. |
Cowardly Kevin Noble is out trolling again...
iBoaterer wrote:
In article 185336218376284656.888165bmckeenospam- , says... iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article 1493745639376183490.518525bmckeenospam- , says... JustWait wrote: On 12/2/2012 12:59 PM, wrote: On Sat, 1 Dec 2012 12:43:53 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: http://tinyurl.com/crdb3z9 If you really think this will be a net zero home you are delusional. That tiny solar array won't even run the A/C for a 4500 sq/ft house. You can pay a lot of electric bills for the half million extra this house costs over the garden variety megabuck Rutenburg house. Even if it was a zero sum home. Those that can afford a 4000'+ home should be able to afford electricity. Part of our housing problem is all these middle class or lower people who just needed a large mansion. Hang the cost vs. income, I got a cheap loan! Affording electricity has NOTHING to do with it. -------------------------- It has lots to do with it in this case. No, it doesn't. How much energy are those solar panels going to save? Consider the energy to make a small home system. Cheaper to buy the electricity, and may even be more energy efficient. It's a net zero home, fool. You do know what that means, don't you? How much energy was expended to generate the "net zero"? |
This guy doesn't realize that Scientist Scotty says this can't be done!
On Tuesday, December 4, 2012 3:03:22 PM UTC-5, Meyer wrote:
Loogy invest in alternative energy? He doesn't have the where with all. Snerk. There's a sucker born every minute! : |
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