http://tinyurl.com/crdb3z9

On 12/2/12 12:59 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 1 Dec 2012 12:43:53 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

http://tinyurl.com/crdb3z9

If you really think this will be a net zero home you are delusional.
That tiny solar array won't even run the A/C for a 4500 sq/ft house.

You can pay a lot of electric bills for the half million extra this
house costs over the garden variety megabuck Rutenburg house.


I like the fishpond in the courtyard.

On 12/2/12 2:11 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 02 Dec 2012 13:10:17 -0500, ESAD wrote:

On 12/2/12 12:59 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 1 Dec 2012 12:43:53 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

http://tinyurl.com/crdb3z9

If you really think this will be a net zero home you are delusional.
That tiny solar array won't even run the A/C for a 4500 sq/ft house.

You can pay a lot of electric bills for the half million extra this
house costs over the garden variety megabuck Rutenburg house.


I like the fishpond in the courtyard.

Did you ever get put to National Geographic in Gathersburg/Germantown?

The pond there is part of their energy management system.
That is why it seldom if ever freezes. Usually there is steam coming
off of it. The building generates far more heat than it uses, just
from the electrical load and the latent heat of a couple thousand
employees.
None of this helps much in the summer tho. If they dumped the HVAC
heat in that pond, they would boil all the water out.
That is the problem with this Rutenburg house. The HVAC load, 24/7 is
going to be more than the small collector array in that picture will
handle, even with the LG mini split system. They will need to book a
lot of excess power in the day to make up for the night.

Usually the kind of people who buy a Rutenburg house will be running
the A/C with the sliders open anyway, maybe even burning that
"ethanol" fireplace. (like ethanol was in any way ecologically or
financially beneficial)



I like the possibilities of wind and photovoltaic where technology and
climate conditions warrant. The house under question looks to me as if
weekly visits from various technicians and repairmen will be necessary.

We went with 6" wall studs to accommodate extra insulation in the walls
and extra batts in the attic for a reasonable increase in construction
price. Every so often we are "invited" to get a proposal from a
contractor installing buried pipe heat pump heat exchangers, but the
cost is pretty high and I wonder about the service calls when leaks develop.

Our local energy co-op has all sorts of devices attached here to monitor
and control electric use, especially in the summer. So far I've not
noticed them having any impact on the comfort levels inside.

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On 12/2/12 2:11 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 02 Dec 2012 13:10:17 -0500, ESAD wrote:

On 12/2/12 12:59 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 1 Dec 2012 12:43:53 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

http://tinyurl.com/crdb3z9

If you really think this will be a net zero home you are delusional.
That tiny solar array won't even run the A/C for a 4500 sq/ft house.

You can pay a lot of electric bills for the half million extra this
house costs over the garden variety megabuck Rutenburg house.


I like the fishpond in the courtyard.

Did you ever get put to National Geographic in Gathersburg/Germantown?

The pond there is part of their energy management system.
That is why it seldom if ever freezes. Usually there is steam coming
off of it. The building generates far more heat than it uses, just
from the electrical load and the latent heat of a couple thousand
employees.
None of this helps much in the summer tho. If they dumped the HVAC
heat in that pond, they would boil all the water out.
That is the problem with this Rutenburg house. The HVAC load, 24/7 is
going to be more than the small collector array in that picture will
handle, even with the LG mini split system. They will need to book a
lot of excess power in the day to make up for the night.

Usually the kind of people who buy a Rutenburg house will be running
the A/C with the sliders open anyway, maybe even burning that
"ethanol" fireplace. (like ethanol was in any way ecologically or
financially beneficial)



I like the possibilities of wind and photovoltaic where technology and
climate conditions warrant. The house under question looks to me as if
weekly visits from various technicians and repairmen will be necessary.

We went with 6" wall studs to accommodate extra insulation in the walls
and extra batts in the attic for a reasonable increase in construction
price. Every so often we are "invited" to get a proposal from a
contractor installing buried pipe heat pump heat exchangers, but the
cost is pretty high and I wonder about the service calls when leaks develop.

Our local energy co-op has all sorts of devices attached here to monitor
and control electric use, especially in the summer. So far I've not
noticed them having any impact on the comfort levels inside.

Nobody cares about your standard stick-built house.

Pay your taxes and your debts.

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says...

On Sun, 02 Dec 2012 13:10:17 -0500, ESAD wrote:

On 12/2/12 12:59 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 1 Dec 2012 12:43:53 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

http://tinyurl.com/crdb3z9

If you really think this will be a net zero home you are delusional.
That tiny solar array won't even run the A/C for a 4500 sq/ft house.

You can pay a lot of electric bills for the half million extra this
house costs over the garden variety megabuck Rutenburg house.


I like the fishpond in the courtyard.

Did you ever get put to National Geographic in Gathersburg/Germantown?

The pond there is part of their energy management system.
That is why it seldom if ever freezes. Usually there is steam coming
off of it. The building generates far more heat than it uses, just
from the electrical load and the latent heat of a couple thousand
employees.
None of this helps much in the summer tho. If they dumped the HVAC
heat in that pond, they would boil all the water out.
That is the problem with this Rutenburg house. The HVAC load, 24/7 is
going to be more than the small collector array in that picture will
handle, even with the LG mini split system. They will need to book a
lot of excess power in the day to make up for the night.

Usually the kind of people who buy a Rutenburg house will be running
the A/C with the sliders open anyway, maybe even burning that
"ethanol" fireplace. (like ethanol was in any way ecologically or
financially beneficial)

Montgomery County police now occupy the old Nat Geo building and
grounds.

http://www.mymcpnews.com/

http://www.mymcpnews.com/districts/p...-headquarters/

Nice digs for a county police department.

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On Sat, 1 Dec 2012 12:43:53 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

http://tinyurl.com/crdb3z9

If you really think this will be a net zero home you are delusional.
That tiny solar array won't even run the A/C for a 4500 sq/ft house.

You can pay a lot of electric bills for the half million extra this
house costs over the garden variety megabuck Rutenburg house.

You fail to get the point, and the rest of the article.

"Two weeks ago, he bought land for the first Zero Energy America
Village, a prototype community just south of the Pinellas-Pasco border
on East Lake Road.

The project will feature 1,600- to 1,800-square-foot homes with a target
price of $250,000.

"They will be amazingly healthy, totally green, and the homeowner will
have no electric bills," said Rutenberg. "The village will be the
proudest moment of our company to date."

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On Sun, 2 Dec 2012 15:12:00 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Sat, 1 Dec 2012 12:43:53 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

http://tinyurl.com/crdb3z9

If you really think this will be a net zero home you are delusional.
That tiny solar array won't even run the A/C for a 4500 sq/ft house.

You can pay a lot of electric bills for the half million extra this
house costs over the garden variety megabuck Rutenburg house.

You fail to get the point, and the rest of the article.

"Two weeks ago, he bought land for the first Zero Energy America
Village, a prototype community just south of the Pinellas-Pasco border
on East Lake Road.

The project will feature 1,600- to 1,800-square-foot homes with a target
price of $250,000.

"They will be amazingly healthy, totally green, and the homeowner will
have no electric bills," said Rutenberg. "The village will be the
proudest moment of our company to date."

Considering a 1600 sq/ft house is going for less than $200k up there
in cow country if it is a real nice one (granite and hardwood kitchen
sort of thing) it is still putting $150k down against future electric
bills.

Are you saying that a 1600 square foot home outside of Tampa is going
for $50k???? Are you nuts?
I am still waiting for someone to tell me what the maintenance costs
are and how well these collectors hold up to being hit by lightning,
100 MPH winds and flying debris.

I am still thinking about doing it myself but as long as this is a
high 5 figure or 6 figure investment, I can't make financial sense out
of it.

Yes, you and other right wingers have shown your disdain for anything
innovative and on the technological forefront.

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says...

On Sun, 2 Dec 2012 15:12:00 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Sat, 1 Dec 2012 12:43:53 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

http://tinyurl.com/crdb3z9

If you really think this will be a net zero home you are delusional.
That tiny solar array won't even run the A/C for a 4500 sq/ft house.

You can pay a lot of electric bills for the half million extra this
house costs over the garden variety megabuck Rutenburg house.

You fail to get the point, and the rest of the article.

"Two weeks ago, he bought land for the first Zero Energy America
Village, a prototype community just south of the Pinellas-Pasco border
on East Lake Road.

The project will feature 1,600- to 1,800-square-foot homes with a target
price of $250,000.

"They will be amazingly healthy, totally green, and the homeowner will
have no electric bills," said Rutenberg. "The village will be the
proudest moment of our company to date."

Considering a 1600 sq/ft house is going for less than $200k up there
in cow country if it is a real nice one (granite and hardwood kitchen
sort of thing) it is still putting $150k down against future electric
bills.

Are you saying that a 1600 square foot home outside of Tampa is going
for $50k???? Are you nuts?
I am still waiting for someone to tell me what the maintenance costs
are and how well these collectors hold up to being hit by lightning,
100 MPH winds and flying debris.

I am still thinking about doing it myself but as long as this is a
high 5 figure or 6 figure investment, I can't make financial sense out
of it.

Yes, you and other right wingers have shown your disdain for anything
innovative and on the technological forefront.


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You and the other left wingers have shown your distain for any financial
responsibility.

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"iBoaterer" wrote in message
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In article ,
says...

On Sun, 2 Dec 2012 15:12:00 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Sat, 1 Dec 2012 12:43:53 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

http://tinyurl.com/crdb3z9

If you really think this will be a net zero home you are delusional.
That tiny solar array won't even run the A/C for a 4500 sq/ft house.

You can pay a lot of electric bills for the half million extra this
house costs over the garden variety megabuck Rutenburg house.

You fail to get the point, and the rest of the article.

"Two weeks ago, he bought land for the first Zero Energy America
Village, a prototype community just south of the Pinellas-Pasco border
on East Lake Road.

The project will feature 1,600- to 1,800-square-foot homes with a target
price of $250,000.

"They will be amazingly healthy, totally green, and the homeowner will
have no electric bills," said Rutenberg. "The village will be the
proudest moment of our company to date."

Considering a 1600 sq/ft house is going for less than $200k up there
in cow country if it is a real nice one (granite and hardwood kitchen
sort of thing) it is still putting $150k down against future electric
bills.

Are you saying that a 1600 square foot home outside of Tampa is going
for $50k???? Are you nuts?
I am still waiting for someone to tell me what the maintenance costs
are and how well these collectors hold up to being hit by lightning,
100 MPH winds and flying debris.

I am still thinking about doing it myself but as long as this is a
high 5 figure or 6 figure investment, I can't make financial sense out
of it.

Yes, you and other right wingers have shown your disdain for anything
innovative and on the technological forefront.


------------------------------

You and the other left wingers have shown your distain for any financial
responsibility.

I have plenty of "financial responsibility". And where do you get the
notion that I'm a "left winger"?

"iBoaterer" wrote in message
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says...

"iBoaterer" wrote in message
...

In article ,
says...

On Sun, 2 Dec 2012 15:12:00 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Sat, 1 Dec 2012 12:43:53 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

http://tinyurl.com/crdb3z9

If you really think this will be a net zero home you are delusional.
That tiny solar array won't even run the A/C for a 4500 sq/ft house.

You can pay a lot of electric bills for the half million extra this
house costs over the garden variety megabuck Rutenburg house.

You fail to get the point, and the rest of the article.

"Two weeks ago, he bought land for the first Zero Energy America
Village, a prototype community just south of the Pinellas-Pasco border
on East Lake Road.

The project will feature 1,600- to 1,800-square-foot homes with a
target
price of $250,000.

"They will be amazingly healthy, totally green, and the homeowner will
have no electric bills," said Rutenberg. "The village will be the
proudest moment of our company to date."

Considering a 1600 sq/ft house is going for less than $200k up there
in cow country if it is a real nice one (granite and hardwood kitchen
sort of thing) it is still putting $150k down against future electric
bills.

Are you saying that a 1600 square foot home outside of Tampa is going
for $50k???? Are you nuts?
I am still waiting for someone to tell me what the maintenance costs
are and how well these collectors hold up to being hit by lightning,
100 MPH winds and flying debris.

I am still thinking about doing it myself but as long as this is a
high 5 figure or 6 figure investment, I can't make financial sense out
of it.

Yes, you and other right wingers have shown your disdain for anything
innovative and on the technological forefront.


------------------------------

You and the other left wingers have shown your distain for any financial
responsibility.

I have plenty of "financial responsibility". And where do you get the
notion that I'm a "left winger"?


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You argue the left's side. and the left seems to lack any financial
responsibility.