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says... In article , says... In article , says... In article 1784401231376285256.933984bmckeenospam- , says... iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... On Sun, 2 Dec 2012 15:12:00 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Sat, 1 Dec 2012 12:43:53 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: http://tinyurl.com/crdb3z9 If you really think this will be a net zero home you are delusional. That tiny solar array won't even run the A/C for a 4500 sq/ft house. You can pay a lot of electric bills for the half million extra this house costs over the garden variety megabuck Rutenburg house. You fail to get the point, and the rest of the article. "Two weeks ago, he bought land for the first Zero Energy America Village, a prototype community just south of the Pinellas-Pasco border on East Lake Road. The project will feature 1,600- to 1,800-square-foot homes with a target price of $250,000. "They will be amazingly healthy, totally green, and the homeowner will have no electric bills," said Rutenberg. "The village will be the proudest moment of our company to date." Considering a 1600 sq/ft house is going for less than $200k up there in cow country if it is a real nice one (granite and hardwood kitchen sort of thing) it is still putting $150k down against future electric bills. Are you saying that a 1600 square foot home outside of Tampa is going for $50k???? Are you nuts? I am still waiting for someone to tell me what the maintenance costs are and how well these collectors hold up to being hit by lightning, 100 MPH winds and flying debris. I am still thinking about doing it myself but as long as this is a high 5 figure or 6 figure investment, I can't make financial sense out of it. Yes, you and other right wingers have shown your disdain for anything innovative and on the technological forefront. ------------------------------ You and the other left wingers have shown your distain for any financial responsibility. I have plenty of "financial responsibility". And where do you get the notion that I'm a "left winger"? --------------------------- You argue the left's side. and the left seems to lack any financial responsibility. I argue MY side, the sane side. What is sane about over spending for electricity, or for government? Who's overspending for electricity? And what does the article I posted about the net zero home have to do with government? Why does the cost of electricity vary around the country? What does that have to do with my question? We just moved a data center from a high electricity cost area to a low electricity cost area. We save tens of millions of dollars and we increased our lab space by hundreds of thousands of square feet. We have 10,000 racks in the new data center. |
This guy doesn't realize that Scientist Scotty says this can't be done!
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says... In article , says... On Wed, 5 Dec 2012 10:41:17 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... I see your First Solar is not doing so well either, down about 75% from it's 52 week high. Depends when you bought it. We call that a trade, not an investment. Are you trying to time the market now? "Future Fuel" is a no hit on Yahoo Finance. OK you tell me, what is the ticker symbol. NYSE = FF Yeah, that's what I'd use as a barometer, Yahoo Finance..... right. Which electric car company would you invest in? Daimler Benz. That is not an electric car company. It is a company that may put out a boutique electric car for millionaires to play with. Sure it is, one of the largest holders in Tesla. Investing money in a widget maker does not make you a widget maker. Tesla is being used as technology demonstrator and proof of concept vehicle for MB. |
Cowardly Kevin Noble is out trolling again...
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says... In article , says... In article , says... In article , says... In article , says... In article , says... "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article 1493745639376183490.518525bmckeenospam- , says... JustWait wrote: On 12/2/2012 12:59 PM, wrote: On Sat, 1 Dec 2012 12:43:53 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: http://tinyurl.com/crdb3z9 If you really think this will be a net zero home you are delusional. That tiny solar array won't even run the A/C for a 4500 sq/ft house. You can pay a lot of electric bills for the half million extra this house costs over the garden variety megabuck Rutenburg house. Even if it was a zero sum home. Those that can afford a 4000'+ home should be able to afford electricity. Part of our housing problem is all these middle class or lower people who just needed a large mansion. Hang the cost vs. income, I got a cheap loan! Affording electricity has NOTHING to do with it. -------------------------- It has lots to do with it in this case. No, it doesn't. Please enlighten us as to why being able to afford the electricity is not relevant? Because that simply NOT the point of the zero sum home. Are you really that stupid, or just acting like it for attention? You need to do some research on TCO (Total Cost of Ownership) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_cost_of_ownership What does that have to do with this discussion? I wouldn't expect you to understand financial issues Booger. |
This guy doesn't realize that Scientist Scotty says this can't be done!
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On 12/5/2012 12:19 PM, wrote: On Wed, 5 Dec 2012 10:41:17 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... I see your First Solar is not doing so well either, down about 75% from it's 52 week high. Depends when you bought it. We call that a trade, not an investment. Are you trying to time the market now? "Future Fuel" is a no hit on Yahoo Finance. OK you tell me, what is the ticker symbol. Yeah, that's what I'd use as a barometer, Yahoo Finance..... right. Which electric car company would you invest in? Daimler Benz. That is not an electric car company. It is a company that may put out a boutique electric car for millionaires to play with. You do know this is loogie, right? Making up things like investments and such as the conversation warrants??? Just sayin'... You stupid little fool!!!! Daimler is a big part of Tesla, but of course, you run your stupid mouth without ever knowing anything. |
This guy doesn't realize that Scientist Scotty says this can't be done!
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says... In article , says... In article , says... On Wed, 5 Dec 2012 10:43:51 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... Who or what produces the electricity that is put into cars? Power companies. In the US 42% of that electricity is generated from coal. (the largest single source of power) Unfortunately the places where coal is used are also the places with short enough commutes to make electric cars competitive. You are advocating coal power cars. Another silly scared of technology argument. What technology argument. There is no argument about how electricity is produced, how electricity is distributed nor any argument about how electricity is consumed. The argument is that the electric cars of today are no more efficient and cost effective than the electric cars of 100 years ago. Bull****. |
This guy doesn't realize that Scientist Scotty says this can't be done!
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, says... iBoaterer wrote: In article 763124344376355344.039096bmckeenospam- , says... iBoaterer wrote: In article 326718259376344721.561541bmckeenospam- , says... Meyer wrote: On 12/4/2012 12:03 PM, wrote: On Tue, 4 Dec 2012 09:05:23 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... I am really amazed at the left's fascination with alternate energy schemes that use massive government subsidies to make them attractive. This is the quintessential welfare for the rich at the expense of the poor. Do you mean like the oil industry? Or our current electric generating facilities? They are subsidized you know.... The alternate energy subsidies are 10 to 20 times the subsidy for oil and gas, (per KWH produced) depending on which you are talking about. In gross numbers nuclear gets many times more money than oil and gas. I notice you haven't answered about which alternate energy scheme YOU have bought into with your own money. (other than that which was taken without your permission by the government) .. Loogy invest in alternative energy? He doesn't have the where with all. Snerk. He says he is moving non performing assets in to electric cars, etc. No wonder he has non performing assets. Bad investor. Really? Every automobile manufacturer that sells cars in the U.S. is working VERY hard on electric vehicles. Sure they are. Government requirement. How much ROI in those electric car companies? There is NO government requirement to produce electric cars, that is a lie. You want to stay out of trouble with the government, you better be working on electric cars. Again, there is NO "government requirement to produce electric cars". |
This guy doesn't realize that Scientist Scotty says this can't be done!
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says... In article , says... In article , says... In article , says... In article 1784401231376285256.933984bmckeenospam- , says... iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... On Sun, 2 Dec 2012 15:12:00 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Sat, 1 Dec 2012 12:43:53 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: http://tinyurl.com/crdb3z9 If you really think this will be a net zero home you are delusional. That tiny solar array won't even run the A/C for a 4500 sq/ft house. You can pay a lot of electric bills for the half million extra this house costs over the garden variety megabuck Rutenburg house. You fail to get the point, and the rest of the article. "Two weeks ago, he bought land for the first Zero Energy America Village, a prototype community just south of the Pinellas-Pasco border on East Lake Road. The project will feature 1,600- to 1,800-square-foot homes with a target price of $250,000. "They will be amazingly healthy, totally green, and the homeowner will have no electric bills," said Rutenberg. "The village will be the proudest moment of our company to date." Considering a 1600 sq/ft house is going for less than $200k up there in cow country if it is a real nice one (granite and hardwood kitchen sort of thing) it is still putting $150k down against future electric bills. Are you saying that a 1600 square foot home outside of Tampa is going for $50k???? Are you nuts? I am still waiting for someone to tell me what the maintenance costs are and how well these collectors hold up to being hit by lightning, 100 MPH winds and flying debris. I am still thinking about doing it myself but as long as this is a high 5 figure or 6 figure investment, I can't make financial sense out of it. Yes, you and other right wingers have shown your disdain for anything innovative and on the technological forefront. ------------------------------ You and the other left wingers have shown your distain for any financial responsibility. I have plenty of "financial responsibility". And where do you get the notion that I'm a "left winger"? --------------------------- You argue the left's side. and the left seems to lack any financial responsibility. I argue MY side, the sane side. What is sane about over spending for electricity, or for government? Who's overspending for electricity? And what does the article I posted about the net zero home have to do with government? Why does the cost of electricity vary around the country? What does that have to do with my question? We just moved a data center from a high electricity cost area to a low electricity cost area. We save tens of millions of dollars and we increased our lab space by hundreds of thousands of square feet. We have 10,000 racks in the new data center. Yeah, right. |
This guy doesn't realize that Scientist Scotty says this can't be done!
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says... In article , says... In article , says... On Wed, 5 Dec 2012 10:41:17 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... I see your First Solar is not doing so well either, down about 75% from it's 52 week high. Depends when you bought it. We call that a trade, not an investment. Are you trying to time the market now? "Future Fuel" is a no hit on Yahoo Finance. OK you tell me, what is the ticker symbol. NYSE = FF Yeah, that's what I'd use as a barometer, Yahoo Finance..... right. Which electric car company would you invest in? Daimler Benz. That is not an electric car company. It is a company that may put out a boutique electric car for millionaires to play with. Sure it is, one of the largest holders in Tesla. Investing money in a widget maker does not make you a widget maker. Tesla is being used as technology demonstrator and proof of concept vehicle for MB. You don't think Daimler is going to at some point in time, use Tesla's technology??? |
Cowardly Kevin Noble is out trolling again...
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, says... iBoaterer wrote: In article 615113602376355095.324642bmckeenospam- , says... iBoaterer wrote: In article 107555478376348352.875653bmckeenospam- , says... iBoaterer wrote: In article 185336218376284656.888165bmckeenospam- , says... iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article 1493745639376183490.518525bmckeenospam- , says... JustWait wrote: On 12/2/2012 12:59 PM, wrote: On Sat, 1 Dec 2012 12:43:53 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: http://tinyurl.com/crdb3z9 If you really think this will be a net zero home you are delusional. That tiny solar array won't even run the A/C for a 4500 sq/ft house. You can pay a lot of electric bills for the half million extra this house costs over the garden variety megabuck Rutenburg house. Even if it was a zero sum home. Those that can afford a 4000'+ home should be able to afford electricity. Part of our housing problem is all these middle class or lower people who just needed a large mansion. Hang the cost vs. income, I got a cheap loan! Affording electricity has NOTHING to do with it. -------------------------- It has lots to do with it in this case. No, it doesn't. How much energy are those solar panels going to save? Consider the energy to make a small home system. Cheaper to buy the electricity, and may even be more energy efficient. It's a net zero home, fool. You do know what that means, don't you? How much energy was expended to generate the "net zero"? You are babbling like Scotty now..... Well how much energy did it take to make the solar panel and controls? Will that amount of energy be recovered over the life of the panels? You are the babbling and grasping at straws. How much energy does it cost to build a coal fired plant? A nuclear plant? A lot, but per customer a heck of a lot less than a home solar panel. If it was a financially viable solution, utilities would be building lots of solar plants, and you would not need a 25% tax credit to install them. Cite? |
This guy doesn't realize that Scientist Scotty says this can't be done!
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This guy doesn't realize that Scientist Scotty says this can't be done!
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Cowardly Kevin Noble is out trolling again...
iBoaterer wrote:
In article 125732330376450258.964136bmckeenospam- , says... iBoaterer wrote: In article 615113602376355095.324642bmckeenospam- , says... iBoaterer wrote: In article 107555478376348352.875653bmckeenospam- , says... iBoaterer wrote: In article 185336218376284656.888165bmckeenospam- , says... iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article 1493745639376183490.518525bmckeenospam- , says... JustWait wrote: On 12/2/2012 12:59 PM, wrote: On Sat, 1 Dec 2012 12:43:53 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: http://tinyurl.com/crdb3z9 If you really think this will be a net zero home you are delusional. That tiny solar array won't even run the A/C for a 4500 sq/ft house. You can pay a lot of electric bills for the half million extra this house costs over the garden variety megabuck Rutenburg house. Even if it was a zero sum home. Those that can afford a 4000'+ home should be able to afford electricity. Part of our housing problem is all these middle class or lower people who just needed a large mansion. Hang the cost vs. income, I got a cheap loan! Affording electricity has NOTHING to do with it. -------------------------- It has lots to do with it in this case. No, it doesn't. How much energy are those solar panels going to save? Consider the energy to make a small home system. Cheaper to buy the electricity, and may even be more energy efficient. It's a net zero home, fool. You do know what that means, don't you? How much energy was expended to generate the "net zero"? You are babbling like Scotty now..... Well how much energy did it take to make the solar panel and controls? Will that amount of energy be recovered over the life of the panels? You are the babbling and grasping at straws. How much energy does it cost to build a coal fired plant? A nuclear plant? A lot, but per customer a heck of a lot less than a home solar panel. If it was a financially viable solution, utilities would be building lots of solar plants, and you would not need a 25% tax credit to install them. Cite? You research the contrarian view and cite that. Not up to me to do your research. |
This guy doesn't realize that Scientist Scotty says this can't be done!
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says... In article , says... On Thu, 6 Dec 2012 09:17:06 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: Again, there is NO "government requirement to produce electric cars". There is an $8000 subsidy to buy one and at least one state that will require your car to be ZEV to register it so this is a distinction without a difference. Bull****. In CA you can get '60's vintage cars registered that surely don't meet there strict emissions regulations. Show me where in any state you'll only be able to register an ZEV vehicle. Show me. You are an idiot. |
This guy doesn't realize that Scientist Scotty says this can't be done!
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In article , says... In article , says... On Thu, 6 Dec 2012 09:17:06 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: Again, there is NO "government requirement to produce electric cars". There is an $8000 subsidy to buy one and at least one state that will require your car to be ZEV to register it so this is a distinction without a difference. Bull****. In CA you can get '60's vintage cars registered that surely don't meet there strict emissions regulations. Show me where in any state you'll only be able to register an ZEV vehicle. Show me. You are an idiot. True you can register that 60's car. You have to register it. If you have an unregistered car on your property, they can come and confiscate said vehicle. May be a $500k classic, but they will take it and crush it. Older cars, before smog controls are exempt from same. The state under dictator Brown, has passed mpg rules, where a manufacturer will have to sell lots of ZEV to be able to sell cars people want and need. So those people buying a larger vehicle will be subsidizing those who buy a ZEV. |
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Cowardly Kevin Noble is out trolling again...
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, says... iBoaterer wrote: In article 125732330376450258.964136bmckeenospam- , says... iBoaterer wrote: In article 615113602376355095.324642bmckeenospam- , says... iBoaterer wrote: In article 107555478376348352.875653bmckeenospam- , says... iBoaterer wrote: In article 185336218376284656.888165bmckeenospam- , says... iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article 1493745639376183490.518525bmckeenospam- , says... JustWait wrote: On 12/2/2012 12:59 PM, wrote: On Sat, 1 Dec 2012 12:43:53 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: http://tinyurl.com/crdb3z9 If you really think this will be a net zero home you are delusional. That tiny solar array won't even run the A/C for a 4500 sq/ft house. You can pay a lot of electric bills for the half million extra this house costs over the garden variety megabuck Rutenburg house. Even if it was a zero sum home. Those that can afford a 4000'+ home should be able to afford electricity. Part of our housing problem is all these middle class or lower people who just needed a large mansion. Hang the cost vs. income, I got a cheap loan! Affording electricity has NOTHING to do with it. -------------------------- It has lots to do with it in this case. No, it doesn't. How much energy are those solar panels going to save? Consider the energy to make a small home system. Cheaper to buy the electricity, and may even be more energy efficient. It's a net zero home, fool. You do know what that means, don't you? How much energy was expended to generate the "net zero"? You are babbling like Scotty now..... Well how much energy did it take to make the solar panel and controls? Will that amount of energy be recovered over the life of the panels? You are the babbling and grasping at straws. How much energy does it cost to build a coal fired plant? A nuclear plant? A lot, but per customer a heck of a lot less than a home solar panel. If it was a financially viable solution, utilities would be building lots of solar plants, and you would not need a 25% tax credit to install them. Cite? You research the contrarian view and cite that. Not up to me to do your research. As expected. |
This guy doesn't realize that Scientist Scotty says this can't be done!
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says... In article , says... In article , says... On Thu, 6 Dec 2012 09:17:06 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: Again, there is NO "government requirement to produce electric cars". There is an $8000 subsidy to buy one and at least one state that will require your car to be ZEV to register it so this is a distinction without a difference. Bull****. In CA you can get '60's vintage cars registered that surely don't meet there strict emissions regulations. Show me where in any state you'll only be able to register an ZEV vehicle. Show me. You are an idiot. Do tell then, what did he mean by "at least one state that will REQUIRE your car to be ZEV to register"??? |
This guy doesn't realize that Scientist Scotty says this can't be done!
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, says... BAR wrote: In article , says... In article , says... On Thu, 6 Dec 2012 09:17:06 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: Again, there is NO "government requirement to produce electric cars". There is an $8000 subsidy to buy one and at least one state that will require your car to be ZEV to register it so this is a distinction without a difference. Bull****. In CA you can get '60's vintage cars registered that surely don't meet there strict emissions regulations. Show me where in any state you'll only be able to register an ZEV vehicle. Show me. You are an idiot. True you can register that 60's car. You have to register it. If you have an unregistered car on your property, they can come and confiscate said vehicle. May be a $500k classic, but they will take it and crush it. Older cars, before smog controls are exempt from same. The state under dictator Brown, has passed mpg rules, where a manufacturer will have to sell lots of ZEV to be able to sell cars people want and need. So those people buying a larger vehicle will be subsidizing those who buy a ZEV. But Greg said that cars will be REQUIRED to be ZEV's to be registered, that is bull****. |
This guy doesn't realize that Scientist Scotty says this can't be done!
"iBoaterer" wrote in message
... In article 2029535646376538862.699507bmckeenospam- , says... BAR wrote: In article , says... In article , says... On Thu, 6 Dec 2012 09:17:06 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: Again, there is NO "government requirement to produce electric cars". There is an $8000 subsidy to buy one and at least one state that will require your car to be ZEV to register it so this is a distinction without a difference. Bull****. In CA you can get '60's vintage cars registered that surely don't meet there strict emissions regulations. Show me where in any state you'll only be able to register an ZEV vehicle. Show me. You are an idiot. True you can register that 60's car. You have to register it. If you have an unregistered car on your property, they can come and confiscate said vehicle. May be a $500k classic, but they will take it and crush it. Older cars, before smog controls are exempt from same. The state under dictator Brown, has passed mpg rules, where a manufacturer will have to sell lots of ZEV to be able to sell cars people want and need. So those people buying a larger vehicle will be subsidizing those who buy a ZEV. But Greg said that cars will be REQUIRED to be ZEV's to be registered, that is bull****. -------------------- Less semantic error than 99% of your writings. |
Cowardly Kevin Noble is out trolling again...
"iBoaterer" wrote in message
... In article 903894248376509238.553731bmckeenospam- , says... iBoaterer wrote: In article 125732330376450258.964136bmckeenospam- , says... iBoaterer wrote: In article 615113602376355095.324642bmckeenospam- , says... iBoaterer wrote: In article 107555478376348352.875653bmckeenospam- , says... iBoaterer wrote: In article 185336218376284656.888165bmckeenospam- , says... iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article 1493745639376183490.518525bmckeenospam- , says... JustWait wrote: On 12/2/2012 12:59 PM, wrote: On Sat, 1 Dec 2012 12:43:53 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: http://tinyurl.com/crdb3z9 If you really think this will be a net zero home you are delusional. That tiny solar array won't even run the A/C for a 4500 sq/ft house. You can pay a lot of electric bills for the half million extra this house costs over the garden variety megabuck Rutenburg house. Even if it was a zero sum home. Those that can afford a 4000'+ home should be able to afford electricity. Part of our housing problem is all these middle class or lower people who just needed a large mansion. Hang the cost vs. income, I got a cheap loan! Affording electricity has NOTHING to do with it. -------------------------- It has lots to do with it in this case. No, it doesn't. How much energy are those solar panels going to save? Consider the energy to make a small home system. Cheaper to buy the electricity, and may even be more energy efficient. It's a net zero home, fool. You do know what that means, don't you? How much energy was expended to generate the "net zero"? You are babbling like Scotty now..... Well how much energy did it take to make the solar panel and controls? Will that amount of energy be recovered over the life of the panels? You are the babbling and grasping at straws. How much energy does it cost to build a coal fired plant? A nuclear plant? A lot, but per customer a heck of a lot less than a home solar panel. If it was a financially viable solution, utilities would be building lots of solar plants, and you would not need a 25% tax credit to install them. Cite? You research the contrarian view and cite that. Not up to me to do your research. As expected. ----------------- Can not expect you to not be intellectually lazy. |
This guy doesn't realize that Scientist Scotty says this can't be done!
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says... On Fri, 7 Dec 2012 08:43:42 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: In article 2029535646376538862.699507bmckeenospam- , says... BAR wrote: In article , says... In article , says... On Thu, 6 Dec 2012 09:17:06 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: Again, there is NO "government requirement to produce electric cars". There is an $8000 subsidy to buy one and at least one state that will require your car to be ZEV to register it so this is a distinction without a difference. Bull****. In CA you can get '60's vintage cars registered that surely don't meet there strict emissions regulations. Show me where in any state you'll only be able to register an ZEV vehicle. Show me. You are an idiot. True you can register that 60's car. You have to register it. If you have an unregistered car on your property, they can come and confiscate said vehicle. May be a $500k classic, but they will take it and crush it. Older cars, before smog controls are exempt from same. The state under dictator Brown, has passed mpg rules, where a manufacturer will have to sell lots of ZEV to be able to sell cars people want and need. So those people buying a larger vehicle will be subsidizing those who buy a ZEV. But Greg said that cars will be REQUIRED to be ZEV's to be registered, that is bull****. I am not sure how the PRC will enforce their new ZEV mandate but I am sure they will. What happens in California usually oozes it's way across the country. It is cheaper for the manufacturers to make build just one type rather than 10, 20, 30 or more types. |
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