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says...

On Sat, 1 Dec 2012 12:43:53 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

http://tinyurl.com/crdb3z9

If you really think this will be a net zero home you are delusional.
That tiny solar array won't even run the A/C for a 4500 sq/ft house.

You can pay a lot of electric bills for the half million extra this
house costs over the garden variety megabuck Rutenburg house.

You fail to get the point, and the rest of the article.

"Two weeks ago, he bought land for the first Zero Energy America
Village, a prototype community just south of the Pinellas-Pasco border
on East Lake Road.

The project will feature 1,600- to 1,800-square-foot homes with a target
price of $250,000.

"They will be amazingly healthy, totally green, and the homeowner will
have no electric bills," said Rutenberg. "The village will be the
proudest moment of our company to date."

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On Sun, 2 Dec 2012 15:12:00 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Sat, 1 Dec 2012 12:43:53 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

http://tinyurl.com/crdb3z9

If you really think this will be a net zero home you are delusional.
That tiny solar array won't even run the A/C for a 4500 sq/ft house.

You can pay a lot of electric bills for the half million extra this
house costs over the garden variety megabuck Rutenburg house.

You fail to get the point, and the rest of the article.

"Two weeks ago, he bought land for the first Zero Energy America
Village, a prototype community just south of the Pinellas-Pasco border
on East Lake Road.

The project will feature 1,600- to 1,800-square-foot homes with a target
price of $250,000.

"They will be amazingly healthy, totally green, and the homeowner will
have no electric bills," said Rutenberg. "The village will be the
proudest moment of our company to date."

Considering a 1600 sq/ft house is going for less than $200k up there
in cow country if it is a real nice one (granite and hardwood kitchen
sort of thing) it is still putting $150k down against future electric
bills.

Are you saying that a 1600 square foot home outside of Tampa is going
for $50k???? Are you nuts?
I am still waiting for someone to tell me what the maintenance costs
are and how well these collectors hold up to being hit by lightning,
100 MPH winds and flying debris.

I am still thinking about doing it myself but as long as this is a
high 5 figure or 6 figure investment, I can't make financial sense out
of it.

Yes, you and other right wingers have shown your disdain for anything
innovative and on the technological forefront.

"iBoaterer" wrote in message
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In article ,
says...

On Sun, 2 Dec 2012 15:12:00 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Sat, 1 Dec 2012 12:43:53 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

http://tinyurl.com/crdb3z9

If you really think this will be a net zero home you are delusional.
That tiny solar array won't even run the A/C for a 4500 sq/ft house.

You can pay a lot of electric bills for the half million extra this
house costs over the garden variety megabuck Rutenburg house.

You fail to get the point, and the rest of the article.

"Two weeks ago, he bought land for the first Zero Energy America
Village, a prototype community just south of the Pinellas-Pasco border
on East Lake Road.

The project will feature 1,600- to 1,800-square-foot homes with a target
price of $250,000.

"They will be amazingly healthy, totally green, and the homeowner will
have no electric bills," said Rutenberg. "The village will be the
proudest moment of our company to date."

Considering a 1600 sq/ft house is going for less than $200k up there
in cow country if it is a real nice one (granite and hardwood kitchen
sort of thing) it is still putting $150k down against future electric
bills.

Are you saying that a 1600 square foot home outside of Tampa is going
for $50k???? Are you nuts?
I am still waiting for someone to tell me what the maintenance costs
are and how well these collectors hold up to being hit by lightning,
100 MPH winds and flying debris.

I am still thinking about doing it myself but as long as this is a
high 5 figure or 6 figure investment, I can't make financial sense out
of it.

Yes, you and other right wingers have shown your disdain for anything
innovative and on the technological forefront.


------------------------------

You and the other left wingers have shown your distain for any financial
responsibility.

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"iBoaterer" wrote in message
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In article ,
says...

On Sun, 2 Dec 2012 15:12:00 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Sat, 1 Dec 2012 12:43:53 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

http://tinyurl.com/crdb3z9

If you really think this will be a net zero home you are delusional.
That tiny solar array won't even run the A/C for a 4500 sq/ft house.

You can pay a lot of electric bills for the half million extra this
house costs over the garden variety megabuck Rutenburg house.

You fail to get the point, and the rest of the article.

"Two weeks ago, he bought land for the first Zero Energy America
Village, a prototype community just south of the Pinellas-Pasco border
on East Lake Road.

The project will feature 1,600- to 1,800-square-foot homes with a target
price of $250,000.

"They will be amazingly healthy, totally green, and the homeowner will
have no electric bills," said Rutenberg. "The village will be the
proudest moment of our company to date."

Considering a 1600 sq/ft house is going for less than $200k up there
in cow country if it is a real nice one (granite and hardwood kitchen
sort of thing) it is still putting $150k down against future electric
bills.

Are you saying that a 1600 square foot home outside of Tampa is going
for $50k???? Are you nuts?
I am still waiting for someone to tell me what the maintenance costs
are and how well these collectors hold up to being hit by lightning,
100 MPH winds and flying debris.

I am still thinking about doing it myself but as long as this is a
high 5 figure or 6 figure investment, I can't make financial sense out
of it.

Yes, you and other right wingers have shown your disdain for anything
innovative and on the technological forefront.


------------------------------

You and the other left wingers have shown your distain for any financial
responsibility.

I have plenty of "financial responsibility". And where do you get the
notion that I'm a "left winger"?

"iBoaterer" wrote in message
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"iBoaterer" wrote in message
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In article ,
says...

On Sun, 2 Dec 2012 15:12:00 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Sat, 1 Dec 2012 12:43:53 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

http://tinyurl.com/crdb3z9

If you really think this will be a net zero home you are delusional.
That tiny solar array won't even run the A/C for a 4500 sq/ft house.

You can pay a lot of electric bills for the half million extra this
house costs over the garden variety megabuck Rutenburg house.

You fail to get the point, and the rest of the article.

"Two weeks ago, he bought land for the first Zero Energy America
Village, a prototype community just south of the Pinellas-Pasco border
on East Lake Road.

The project will feature 1,600- to 1,800-square-foot homes with a
target
price of $250,000.

"They will be amazingly healthy, totally green, and the homeowner will
have no electric bills," said Rutenberg. "The village will be the
proudest moment of our company to date."

Considering a 1600 sq/ft house is going for less than $200k up there
in cow country if it is a real nice one (granite and hardwood kitchen
sort of thing) it is still putting $150k down against future electric
bills.

Are you saying that a 1600 square foot home outside of Tampa is going
for $50k???? Are you nuts?
I am still waiting for someone to tell me what the maintenance costs
are and how well these collectors hold up to being hit by lightning,
100 MPH winds and flying debris.

I am still thinking about doing it myself but as long as this is a
high 5 figure or 6 figure investment, I can't make financial sense out
of it.

Yes, you and other right wingers have shown your disdain for anything
innovative and on the technological forefront.


------------------------------

You and the other left wingers have shown your distain for any financial
responsibility.

I have plenty of "financial responsibility". And where do you get the
notion that I'm a "left winger"?


---------------------------

You argue the left's side. and the left seems to lack any financial
responsibility.

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"iBoaterer" wrote in message
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In article ,
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"iBoaterer" wrote in message
...

In article ,
says...

On Sun, 2 Dec 2012 15:12:00 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Sat, 1 Dec 2012 12:43:53 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

http://tinyurl.com/crdb3z9

If you really think this will be a net zero home you are delusional.
That tiny solar array won't even run the A/C for a 4500 sq/ft house.

You can pay a lot of electric bills for the half million extra this
house costs over the garden variety megabuck Rutenburg house.

You fail to get the point, and the rest of the article.

"Two weeks ago, he bought land for the first Zero Energy America
Village, a prototype community just south of the Pinellas-Pasco border
on East Lake Road.

The project will feature 1,600- to 1,800-square-foot homes with a
target
price of $250,000.

"They will be amazingly healthy, totally green, and the homeowner will
have no electric bills," said Rutenberg. "The village will be the
proudest moment of our company to date."

Considering a 1600 sq/ft house is going for less than $200k up there
in cow country if it is a real nice one (granite and hardwood kitchen
sort of thing) it is still putting $150k down against future electric
bills.

Are you saying that a 1600 square foot home outside of Tampa is going
for $50k???? Are you nuts?
I am still waiting for someone to tell me what the maintenance costs
are and how well these collectors hold up to being hit by lightning,
100 MPH winds and flying debris.

I am still thinking about doing it myself but as long as this is a
high 5 figure or 6 figure investment, I can't make financial sense out
of it.

Yes, you and other right wingers have shown your disdain for anything
innovative and on the technological forefront.


------------------------------

You and the other left wingers have shown your distain for any financial
responsibility.

I have plenty of "financial responsibility". And where do you get the
notion that I'm a "left winger"?


---------------------------

You argue the left's side. and the left seems to lack any financial
responsibility.

I argue MY side, the sane side.

iBoaterer wrote:
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"iBoaterer" wrote in message
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In article ,
says...

"iBoaterer" wrote in message
...

In article ,
says...

On Sun, 2 Dec 2012 15:12:00 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Sat, 1 Dec 2012 12:43:53 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

http://tinyurl.com/crdb3z9

If you really think this will be a net zero home you are delusional.
That tiny solar array won't even run the A/C for a 4500 sq/ft house.

You can pay a lot of electric bills for the half million extra this
house costs over the garden variety megabuck Rutenburg house.

You fail to get the point, and the rest of the article.

"Two weeks ago, he bought land for the first Zero Energy America
Village, a prototype community just south of the Pinellas-Pasco border
on East Lake Road.

The project will feature 1,600- to 1,800-square-foot homes with a
target
price of $250,000.

"They will be amazingly healthy, totally green, and the homeowner will
have no electric bills," said Rutenberg. "The village will be the
proudest moment of our company to date."

Considering a 1600 sq/ft house is going for less than $200k up there
in cow country if it is a real nice one (granite and hardwood kitchen
sort of thing) it is still putting $150k down against future electric
bills.

Are you saying that a 1600 square foot home outside of Tampa is going
for $50k???? Are you nuts?
I am still waiting for someone to tell me what the maintenance costs
are and how well these collectors hold up to being hit by lightning,
100 MPH winds and flying debris.

I am still thinking about doing it myself but as long as this is a
high 5 figure or 6 figure investment, I can't make financial sense out
of it.

Yes, you and other right wingers have shown your disdain for anything
innovative and on the technological forefront.


------------------------------

You and the other left wingers have shown your distain for any financial
responsibility.

I have plenty of "financial responsibility". And where do you get the
notion that I'm a "left winger"?


---------------------------

You argue the left's side. and the left seems to lack any financial
responsibility.

I argue MY side, the sane side.

What is sane about over spending for electricity, or for government?

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says...

In article ,
says...

"iBoaterer" wrote in message
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In article ,
says...

On Sun, 2 Dec 2012 15:12:00 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Sat, 1 Dec 2012 12:43:53 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

http://tinyurl.com/crdb3z9

If you really think this will be a net zero home you are delusional.
That tiny solar array won't even run the A/C for a 4500 sq/ft house.

You can pay a lot of electric bills for the half million extra this
house costs over the garden variety megabuck Rutenburg house.

You fail to get the point, and the rest of the article.

"Two weeks ago, he bought land for the first Zero Energy America
Village, a prototype community just south of the Pinellas-Pasco border
on East Lake Road.

The project will feature 1,600- to 1,800-square-foot homes with a target
price of $250,000.

"They will be amazingly healthy, totally green, and the homeowner will
have no electric bills," said Rutenberg. "The village will be the
proudest moment of our company to date."

Considering a 1600 sq/ft house is going for less than $200k up there
in cow country if it is a real nice one (granite and hardwood kitchen
sort of thing) it is still putting $150k down against future electric
bills.

Are you saying that a 1600 square foot home outside of Tampa is going
for $50k???? Are you nuts?
I am still waiting for someone to tell me what the maintenance costs
are and how well these collectors hold up to being hit by lightning,
100 MPH winds and flying debris.

I am still thinking about doing it myself but as long as this is a
high 5 figure or 6 figure investment, I can't make financial sense out
of it.

Yes, you and other right wingers have shown your disdain for anything
innovative and on the technological forefront.


------------------------------

You and the other left wingers have shown your distain for any financial
responsibility.

I have plenty of "financial responsibility". And where do you get the
notion that I'm a "left winger"?

Look in the mirror.

In article ,
says...

In article ,
says...

On Sun, 2 Dec 2012 15:12:00 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Sat, 1 Dec 2012 12:43:53 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

http://tinyurl.com/crdb3z9

If you really think this will be a net zero home you are delusional.
That tiny solar array won't even run the A/C for a 4500 sq/ft house.

You can pay a lot of electric bills for the half million extra this
house costs over the garden variety megabuck Rutenburg house.

You fail to get the point, and the rest of the article.

"Two weeks ago, he bought land for the first Zero Energy America
Village, a prototype community just south of the Pinellas-Pasco border
on East Lake Road.

The project will feature 1,600- to 1,800-square-foot homes with a target
price of $250,000.

"They will be amazingly healthy, totally green, and the homeowner will
have no electric bills," said Rutenberg. "The village will be the
proudest moment of our company to date."

Considering a 1600 sq/ft house is going for less than $200k up there
in cow country if it is a real nice one (granite and hardwood kitchen
sort of thing) it is still putting $150k down against future electric
bills.

Are you saying that a 1600 square foot home outside of Tampa is going
for $50k???? Are you nuts?

http://www.realtor.com/soldhomeprice...rice-na-100000

I am still waiting for someone to tell me what the maintenance costs
are and how well these collectors hold up to being hit by lightning,
100 MPH winds and flying debris.

I am still thinking about doing it myself but as long as this is a
high 5 figure or 6 figure investment, I can't make financial sense out
of it.

Yes, you and other right wingers have shown your disdain for anything
innovative and on the technological forefront.

Innovation has to have a pay-off.

In article ,
says...

In article ,
says...

In article ,
says...

On Sun, 2 Dec 2012 15:12:00 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Sat, 1 Dec 2012 12:43:53 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

http://tinyurl.com/crdb3z9

If you really think this will be a net zero home you are delusional.
That tiny solar array won't even run the A/C for a 4500 sq/ft house.

You can pay a lot of electric bills for the half million extra this
house costs over the garden variety megabuck Rutenburg house.

You fail to get the point, and the rest of the article.

"Two weeks ago, he bought land for the first Zero Energy America
Village, a prototype community just south of the Pinellas-Pasco border
on East Lake Road.

The project will feature 1,600- to 1,800-square-foot homes with a target
price of $250,000.

"They will be amazingly healthy, totally green, and the homeowner will
have no electric bills," said Rutenberg. "The village will be the
proudest moment of our company to date."

Considering a 1600 sq/ft house is going for less than $200k up there
in cow country if it is a real nice one (granite and hardwood kitchen
sort of thing) it is still putting $150k down against future electric
bills.

Are you saying that a 1600 square foot home outside of Tampa is going
for $50k???? Are you nuts?

http://www.realtor.com/soldhomeprice...rice-na-100000

I am still waiting for someone to tell me what the maintenance costs
are and how well these collectors hold up to being hit by lightning,
100 MPH winds and flying debris.

I am still thinking about doing it myself but as long as this is a
high 5 figure or 6 figure investment, I can't make financial sense out
of it.

Yes, you and other right wingers have shown your disdain for anything
innovative and on the technological forefront.

Innovation has to have a pay-off.

Immediately? You do realize that most innovation is at first, not
financially feasible don't you? Do you think Orville and Wilbur's plane
on Kitty Hawk was immediately a financial success? Henry Ford's car?