Good example of irrational scum who think taking a life for the theft
of stuff is fair and balanced.

Wonder how he'll feel when we're furnishing him with three hots and a
cot for the rest of his miserable life.


A Minnesota homeowner who shot two teenagers in the midst of an
apparent Thanksgiving Day break-in told authorities he feared they had
a weapon, but acknowledged firing "more shots than I needed to" and
appeared to take pride in "a good clean finishing shot" for one teen,
according to investigators.

Byron David Smith, 64, was charged Monday with two counts of
second-degree murder in a criminal complaint that was chilling for the
clinical way investigators said he described the shootings.

Smith told investigators he shot 18-year-old Haile Kifer several times
as she descended a stairway into his basement, and his Mini 14 rifle
jammed as he tried to shoot her again after she had tumbled down the
steps.

Though Kifer was "already hurting," she let out a short laugh, Smith
told investigators. He then pulled out his .22-caliber revolver and
shot her several times in the chest, according to the complaint.

"If you're trying to shoot somebody and they laugh at you, you go
again," Smith told investigators, according to a criminal complaint
filed Monday.

Smith was also charged in the death of Kifer's cousin, 17-year-old
Nicholas Schaeffel.

Minnesota law allows a homeowner to use deadly force on an intruder if
a reasonable person would fear they're in danger of harm, and Smith
told investigators he was afraid the intruders might have a weapon.
However, Smith's actions weren't justified, Morrison County Sheriff
Michel Wetzel said.

"The law doesn't permit you to execute somebody once a threat is
gone," he said.

Smith told investigators he was fearful after several break-ins at his
remote home about 10 miles south of Little Falls, a central Minnesota
town of 8,000 people. The sheriff's office had only one report of a
break-in, on Oct. 27. Smith reported losing thousands of dollars in
cash, gold coins, two guns, photo equipment and jewelry.

Wetzel said that while the shootings happened on Thursday, Smith
waited until Friday to report the deaths, explaining that "he didn't
want to trouble us on a holiday."

In the complaint, Smith said he was in his basement when he heard a
window breaking upstairs, followed by footsteps that eventually
approached the basement stairwell. Smith said he fired when Schaeffel
came into view from the waist down.

After the teen fell down the stairs, Smith said he shot him in the
face as he lay on the floor.

"I want him dead," the complaint quoted Smith telling an investigator.

Smith said he dragged Schaeffel's body into his basement workshop,
then sat down on his chair. After a few minutes, Kifer began coming
down the stairs and he shot her as soon as her hips appeared, he said.

After shooting her with both the Mini 14 and the .22-caliber revolver,
he dragged her next to Schaeffel. With her still gasping for air, he
fired a shot under her chin "up into the cranium," the complaint says.

"Smith described it as `a good clean finishing shot,'" according to
the complaint.

The next day he asked a neighbor to recommend a good lawyer, according
to the complaint. He later asked his neighbor to call the police.

A prosecutor called Smith's reaction "appalling."

"Mr. Smith intentionally killed two teenagers in his home in a matter
that goes well beyond self-defense," Morrison County Attorney Brian
Middendorf said after Smith appeared in court Monday morning. Bail was
set at $2 million.

Defense attorney Gregory Larson declined comment.

John Lang, who described himself as Smith's best friend, said Smith
shouldn't be in jail.

"You have a right to defend your home," Lang said. "He's been through
hell."

But Liberty Nunn, a Little Falls resident who said she knew Nicholas
Schaeffel's older sister, said Smith could have simply shouted at them
to stop. She said she hopes Smith goes to prison "for a very, very
long time."

"Those are two young lives that were taken," she said. "It's just not
right."

Smith's brother, Bruce Smith, told the Minneapolis Star Tribune told
the Star Tribune his brother had retired after a career as a security
officer with the U.S. State Department.

Bruce Smith declined to talk to an Associated Press reporter Monday
outside his brother's home. A makeshift barricade blocked the driveway
and a board leaning against it bore the spray-painted words "Keep
Out."

Schaeffel's sister, Crystal Schaeffel, told the Star Tribune that
Kifer had stolen prescription drugs from her home before. Little Falls
police records show Crystal Schaeffel reported a theft Aug. 28, but
the department said the report was not public because that
investigation was continuing and because it named juveniles.

Schools in Little Falls, about 100 miles northwest of Minneapolis,
made counselors available, though classes weren't in session Monday.
In nearby Pillager, where classes were in session, a few students
sought help from school counselors and local clergy members available
at the school Monday morning, said Superintendent Chuck Arns.

In article ,
says...

Good example of irrational scum who think taking a life for the theft
of stuff is fair and balanced.

Wonder how he'll feel when we're furnishing him with three hots and a
cot for the rest of his miserable life.


A Minnesota homeowner who shot two teenagers in the midst of an
apparent Thanksgiving Day break-in told authorities he feared they had
a weapon, but acknowledged firing "more shots than I needed to" and
appeared to take pride in "a good clean finishing shot" for one teen,
according to investigators.

Byron David Smith, 64, was charged Monday with two counts of
second-degree murder in a criminal complaint that was chilling for the
clinical way investigators said he described the shootings.

Smith told investigators he shot 18-year-old Haile Kifer several times
as she descended a stairway into his basement, and his Mini 14 rifle
jammed as he tried to shoot her again after she had tumbled down the
steps.

Though Kifer was "already hurting," she let out a short laugh, Smith
told investigators. He then pulled out his .22-caliber revolver and
shot her several times in the chest, according to the complaint.

"If you're trying to shoot somebody and they laugh at you, you go
again," Smith told investigators, according to a criminal complaint
filed Monday.

Smith was also charged in the death of Kifer's cousin, 17-year-old
Nicholas Schaeffel.

Minnesota law allows a homeowner to use deadly force on an intruder if
a reasonable person would fear they're in danger of harm, and Smith
told investigators he was afraid the intruders might have a weapon.
However, Smith's actions weren't justified, Morrison County Sheriff
Michel Wetzel said.

"The law doesn't permit you to execute somebody once a threat is
gone," he said.

Smith told investigators he was fearful after several break-ins at his
remote home about 10 miles south of Little Falls, a central Minnesota
town of 8,000 people. The sheriff's office had only one report of a
break-in, on Oct. 27. Smith reported losing thousands of dollars in
cash, gold coins, two guns, photo equipment and jewelry.

Wetzel said that while the shootings happened on Thursday, Smith
waited until Friday to report the deaths, explaining that "he didn't
want to trouble us on a holiday."

In the complaint, Smith said he was in his basement when he heard a
window breaking upstairs, followed by footsteps that eventually
approached the basement stairwell. Smith said he fired when Schaeffel
came into view from the waist down.

After the teen fell down the stairs, Smith said he shot him in the
face as he lay on the floor.

"I want him dead," the complaint quoted Smith telling an investigator.

Smith said he dragged Schaeffel's body into his basement workshop,
then sat down on his chair. After a few minutes, Kifer began coming
down the stairs and he shot her as soon as her hips appeared, he said.

After shooting her with both the Mini 14 and the .22-caliber revolver,
he dragged her next to Schaeffel. With her still gasping for air, he
fired a shot under her chin "up into the cranium," the complaint says.

"Smith described it as `a good clean finishing shot,'" according to
the complaint.

The next day he asked a neighbor to recommend a good lawyer, according
to the complaint. He later asked his neighbor to call the police.

A prosecutor called Smith's reaction "appalling."

"Mr. Smith intentionally killed two teenagers in his home in a matter
that goes well beyond self-defense," Morrison County Attorney Brian
Middendorf said after Smith appeared in court Monday morning. Bail was
set at $2 million.

Defense attorney Gregory Larson declined comment.

John Lang, who described himself as Smith's best friend, said Smith
shouldn't be in jail.

"You have a right to defend your home," Lang said. "He's been through
hell."

But Liberty Nunn, a Little Falls resident who said she knew Nicholas
Schaeffel's older sister, said Smith could have simply shouted at them
to stop. She said she hopes Smith goes to prison "for a very, very
long time."

"Those are two young lives that were taken," she said. "It's just not
right."

Smith's brother, Bruce Smith, told the Minneapolis Star Tribune told
the Star Tribune his brother had retired after a career as a security
officer with the U.S. State Department.

Bruce Smith declined to talk to an Associated Press reporter Monday
outside his brother's home. A makeshift barricade blocked the driveway
and a board leaning against it bore the spray-painted words "Keep
Out."

Schaeffel's sister, Crystal Schaeffel, told the Star Tribune that
Kifer had stolen prescription drugs from her home before. Little Falls
police records show Crystal Schaeffel reported a theft Aug. 28, but
the department said the report was not public because that
investigation was continuing and because it named juveniles.

Schools in Little Falls, about 100 miles northwest of Minneapolis,
made counselors available, though classes weren't in session Monday.
In nearby Pillager, where classes were in session, a few students
sought help from school counselors and local clergy members available
at the school Monday morning, said Superintendent Chuck Arns.

#1 Never talk to the police.

#2 What is the web site for Smith's legal defense fund?

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says...

On Mon, 26 Nov 2012 16:28:36 -0800, jps wrote:

his Mini 14 rifle
his .22-caliber revolver

Moral of the story: buy a slug gun and take ONE shot.

Shotgun, 00 buckshot.

On Nov 26, 7:28*pm, jps wrote:
Good example of irrational scum who think taking a life for the theft
of stuff is fair and balanced.

Wonder how he'll feel when we're furnishing him with three hots and a
cot for the rest of his miserable life.

A Minnesota homeowner who shot two teenagers in the midst of an
apparent Thanksgiving Day break-in told authorities he feared they had
a weapon, but acknowledged firing "more shots than I needed to" and
appeared to take pride in "a good clean finishing shot" for one teen,
according to investigators.

Byron David Smith, 64, was charged Monday with two counts of
second-degree murder in a criminal complaint that was chilling for the
clinical way investigators said he described the shootings.

Smith told investigators he shot 18-year-old Haile Kifer several times
as she descended a stairway into his basement, and his Mini 14 rifle
jammed as he tried to shoot her again after she had tumbled down the
steps.

Though Kifer was "already hurting," she let out a short laugh, Smith
told investigators. He then pulled out his .22-caliber revolver and
shot her several times in the chest, according to the complaint.

"If you're trying to shoot somebody and they laugh at you, you go
again," Smith told investigators, according to a criminal complaint
filed Monday.

Smith was also charged in the death of Kifer's cousin, 17-year-old
Nicholas Schaeffel.

Minnesota law allows a homeowner to use deadly force on an intruder if
a reasonable person would fear they're in danger of harm, and Smith
told investigators he was afraid the intruders might have a weapon.
However, Smith's actions weren't justified, Morrison County Sheriff
Michel Wetzel said.

"The law doesn't permit you to execute somebody once a threat is
gone," he said.

Smith told investigators he was fearful after several break-ins at his
remote home about 10 miles south of Little Falls, a central Minnesota
town of 8,000 people. The sheriff's office had only one report of a
break-in, on Oct. 27. Smith reported losing thousands of dollars in
cash, gold coins, two guns, photo equipment and jewelry.

Wetzel said that while the shootings happened on Thursday, Smith
waited until Friday to report the deaths, explaining that "he didn't
want to trouble us on a holiday."

In the complaint, Smith said he was in his basement when he heard a
window breaking upstairs, followed by footsteps that eventually
approached the basement stairwell. Smith said he fired when Schaeffel
came into view from the waist down.

After the teen fell down the stairs, Smith said he shot him in the
face as he lay on the floor.

"I want him dead," the complaint quoted Smith telling an investigator.

Smith said he dragged Schaeffel's body into his basement workshop,
then sat down on his chair. After a few minutes, Kifer began coming
down the stairs and he shot her as soon as her hips appeared, he said.

After shooting her with both the Mini 14 and the .22-caliber revolver,
he dragged her next to Schaeffel. With her still gasping for air, he
fired a shot under her chin "up into the cranium," the complaint says.

"Smith described it as `a good clean finishing shot,'" according to
the complaint.

The next day he asked a neighbor to recommend a good lawyer, according
to the complaint. He later asked his neighbor to call the police.

A prosecutor called Smith's reaction "appalling."

"Mr. Smith intentionally killed two teenagers in his home in a matter
that goes well beyond self-defense," Morrison County Attorney Brian
Middendorf said after Smith appeared in court Monday morning. Bail was
set at $2 million.

Defense attorney Gregory Larson declined comment.

John Lang, who described himself as Smith's best friend, said Smith
shouldn't be in jail.

"You have a right to defend your home," Lang said. "He's been through
hell."

But Liberty Nunn, a Little Falls resident who said she knew Nicholas
Schaeffel's older sister, said Smith could have simply shouted at them
to stop. She said she hopes Smith goes to prison "for a very, very
long time."

"Those are two young lives that were taken," she said. "It's just not
right."

Smith's brother, Bruce Smith, told the Minneapolis Star Tribune told
the Star Tribune his brother had retired after a career as a security
officer with the U.S. State Department.

Bruce Smith declined to talk to an Associated Press reporter Monday
outside his brother's home. A makeshift barricade blocked the driveway
and a board leaning against it bore the spray-painted words "Keep
Out."

Schaeffel's sister, Crystal Schaeffel, told the Star Tribune that
Kifer had stolen prescription drugs from her home before. Little Falls
police records show Crystal Schaeffel reported a theft Aug. 28, but
the department said the report was not public because that
investigation was continuing and because it named juveniles.

Schools in Little Falls, about 100 miles northwest of Minneapolis,
made counselors available, though classes weren't in session Monday.
In nearby Pillager, where classes were in session, a few students
sought help from school counselors and local clergy members available
at the school Monday morning, said Superintendent Chuck Arns.

Sounds like Herrings asshole Uncle.....

"Wonder how he'll feel when we're furnishing him with three hots and a
cot for the rest of his miserable life."

He probably couldn't care less.

On Mon, 26 Nov 2012 16:28:36 -0800, jps wrote:


Good example of irrational scum who think taking a life for the theft
of stuff is fair and balanced.

Wonder how he'll feel when we're furnishing him with three hots and a
cot for the rest of his miserable life.


A Minnesota homeowner who shot two teenagers in the midst of an
apparent Thanksgiving Day break-in told authorities he feared they had
a weapon, but acknowledged firing "more shots than I needed to" and
appeared to take pride in "a good clean finishing shot" for one teen,
according to investigators.

Byron David Smith, 64, was charged Monday with two counts of
second-degree murder in a criminal complaint that was chilling for the
clinical way investigators said he described the shootings.


And he *should* finish his life in prison. Once the threat was gone he should have stopped shooting,
as the cop said. As someone else said, a bigger gun would have kept him out of trouble.

On Mon, 26 Nov 2012 18:53:56 -0800 (PST), "*e#c" wrote:

On Nov 26, 7:28*pm, jps wrote:
Good example of irrational scum who think taking a life for the theft
of stuff is fair and balanced.

Wonder how he'll feel when we're furnishing him with three hots and a
cot for the rest of his miserable life.

A Minnesota homeowner who shot two teenagers in the midst of an
apparent Thanksgiving Day break-in told authorities he feared they had
a weapon, but acknowledged firing "more shots than I needed to" and
appeared to take pride in "a good clean finishing shot" for one teen,
according to investigators.

Byron David Smith, 64, was charged Monday with two counts of
second-degree murder in a criminal complaint that was chilling for the
clinical way investigators said he described the shootings.

Smith told investigators he shot 18-year-old Haile Kifer several times
as she descended a stairway into his basement, and his Mini 14 rifle
jammed as he tried to shoot her again after she had tumbled down the
steps.

Though Kifer was "already hurting," she let out a short laugh, Smith
told investigators. He then pulled out his .22-caliber revolver and
shot her several times in the chest, according to the complaint.

"If you're trying to shoot somebody and they laugh at you, you go
again," Smith told investigators, according to a criminal complaint
filed Monday.

Smith was also charged in the death of Kifer's cousin, 17-year-old
Nicholas Schaeffel.

Minnesota law allows a homeowner to use deadly force on an intruder if
a reasonable person would fear they're in danger of harm, and Smith
told investigators he was afraid the intruders might have a weapon.
However, Smith's actions weren't justified, Morrison County Sheriff
Michel Wetzel said.

"The law doesn't permit you to execute somebody once a threat is
gone," he said.

Smith told investigators he was fearful after several break-ins at his
remote home about 10 miles south of Little Falls, a central Minnesota
town of 8,000 people. The sheriff's office had only one report of a
break-in, on Oct. 27. Smith reported losing thousands of dollars in
cash, gold coins, two guns, photo equipment and jewelry.

Wetzel said that while the shootings happened on Thursday, Smith
waited until Friday to report the deaths, explaining that "he didn't
want to trouble us on a holiday."

In the complaint, Smith said he was in his basement when he heard a
window breaking upstairs, followed by footsteps that eventually
approached the basement stairwell. Smith said he fired when Schaeffel
came into view from the waist down.

After the teen fell down the stairs, Smith said he shot him in the
face as he lay on the floor.

"I want him dead," the complaint quoted Smith telling an investigator.

Smith said he dragged Schaeffel's body into his basement workshop,
then sat down on his chair. After a few minutes, Kifer began coming
down the stairs and he shot her as soon as her hips appeared, he said.

After shooting her with both the Mini 14 and the .22-caliber revolver,
he dragged her next to Schaeffel. With her still gasping for air, he
fired a shot under her chin "up into the cranium," the complaint says.

"Smith described it as `a good clean finishing shot,'" according to
the complaint.

The next day he asked a neighbor to recommend a good lawyer, according
to the complaint. He later asked his neighbor to call the police.

A prosecutor called Smith's reaction "appalling."

"Mr. Smith intentionally killed two teenagers in his home in a matter
that goes well beyond self-defense," Morrison County Attorney Brian
Middendorf said after Smith appeared in court Monday morning. Bail was
set at $2 million.

Defense attorney Gregory Larson declined comment.

John Lang, who described himself as Smith's best friend, said Smith
shouldn't be in jail.

"You have a right to defend your home," Lang said. "He's been through
hell."

But Liberty Nunn, a Little Falls resident who said she knew Nicholas
Schaeffel's older sister, said Smith could have simply shouted at them
to stop. She said she hopes Smith goes to prison "for a very, very
long time."

"Those are two young lives that were taken," she said. "It's just not
right."

Smith's brother, Bruce Smith, told the Minneapolis Star Tribune told
the Star Tribune his brother had retired after a career as a security
officer with the U.S. State Department.

Bruce Smith declined to talk to an Associated Press reporter Monday
outside his brother's home. A makeshift barricade blocked the driveway
and a board leaning against it bore the spray-painted words "Keep
Out."

Schaeffel's sister, Crystal Schaeffel, told the Star Tribune that
Kifer had stolen prescription drugs from her home before. Little Falls
police records show Crystal Schaeffel reported a theft Aug. 28, but
the department said the report was not public because that
investigation was continuing and because it named juveniles.

Schools in Little Falls, about 100 miles northwest of Minneapolis,
made counselors available, though classes weren't in session Monday.
In nearby Pillager, where classes were in session, a few students
sought help from school counselors and local clergy members available
at the school Monday morning, said Superintendent Chuck Arns.

Sounds like Herrings asshole Uncle.....

Nah, my uncles wouldn't be taking on thieves with a .22. Probably use a 12 gauge, or a .45.

On Monday, November 26, 2012 11:02:34 PM UTC-5, Tim wrote:
"Wonder how he'll feel when we're furnishing him with three hots and a

cot for the rest of his miserable life."



He probably couldn't care less.

"Smith told investigators he was fearful after several break-ins at his
remote home"

Sounds like he'd had enough. Temporary insanity, two years probation. No "smart" crook will ever break into his house again.

Bad things happen to bad people when they do bad things. At least the public won't be paying for three hots and a cot for the two perps.

On Tue, 27 Nov 2012 09:50:27 -0500, Gogarty wrote:

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"Wonder how he'll feel when we're furnishing him with three hots and a
cot for the rest of his miserable life."

He probably couldn't care less.

The man is a cold-blooded murderer. Like all gun nuts he has just been
sitting there waiting all these years to kill somebody. I hope he rots
in solitary for the rest of his miserable life.

Good idea, but he'll probably get a nice room, TV, gymnasium, library, basketball courts, cafeteria
dining, free medical care, and clothes....all at taxpayer expense of course.

They ought to just give him a shot.

In article ,
says...

On Tue, 27 Nov 2012 09:50:27 -0500, Gogarty wrote:

In article
,
says...


"Wonder how he'll feel when we're furnishing him with three hots and a
cot for the rest of his miserable life."

He probably couldn't care less.

The man is a cold-blooded murderer. Like all gun nuts he has just been
sitting there waiting all these years to kill somebody. I hope he rots
in solitary for the rest of his miserable life.

Good idea, but he'll probably get a nice room, TV, gymnasium, library, basketball courts, cafeteria
dining, free medical care, and clothes....all at taxpayer expense of course.

You are a complete moron.