Just purchased a 1979 Pacific Seacraft Orion. The boat has had several
owners. The last owner took out the Force 10 stove (propane) and put in an
Origa alcohol stove. The Origa is not a pressurized stove, it is a pour and
light type.

I was told that the Origa can barely boil water and is really bare bones. On
the other hand if I go back to the propane I'll need to find a place to
store the bottle and rerun the propane line which I don't want to do.

I'm not doing any gourmet cooking but would like to be able to heat water
for coffee, fry up the occasional eggs and bacon for breakfast and cook up
the occasional fresh caught fish.

With this in mind, any ideas on self contained stoves? Alcohol or Kerosene ?
Manufacture? Pros and cons?

Eric

Try it before you trash it. I have a 2 burner "pour and light " alcohol
stove and it's great for almost all stove-top cooking.

I also bought a $50 portable BBQ and bolted it to the stern rail. I drilled
out the jet (one number drill size only!!!) so it now heats up in a flash.
Between the two I have pulled off everything from rack of lamb to pots of
pasta.

I also take a little one burner Coleman white gas backpacking stove (which
gets used on deck only) for the espresso pot while doing pancakes and
bangers on the alcohol stove in the galley

Bruce

"Eric Maschke" wrote in message
. ..
Just purchased a 1979 Pacific Seacraft Orion. The boat has had several
owners. The last owner took out the Force 10 stove (propane) and put in an
Origa alcohol stove. The Origa is not a pressurized stove, it is a pour
and
light type.

I was told that the Origa can barely boil water and is really bare bones.
On
the other hand if I go back to the propane I'll need to find a place to
store the bottle and rerun the propane line which I don't want to do.

I'm not doing any gourmet cooking but would like to be able to heat water
for coffee, fry up the occasional eggs and bacon for breakfast and cook up
the occasional fresh caught fish.

With this in mind, any ideas on self contained stoves? Alcohol or Kerosene
?
Manufacture? Pros and cons?

Eric

When I purchased my boat it had a 2 burner kero stove in it.

It was the first thing I took out! I figured the smell of burning kerosene
would be enough not to want it on the boat.

After reading these post's I am wondering if I did the right thing. I still
have the kero stove, with all it's spare parts, but I have never used it.
Heck I wouldn't even know how to light it.

Do they smell when alight?

--
Garry Beattie
Ocean Spirit Trailer Sailer &
Small Yacht Cruising Emagazine
www.ocean-spirit.com

Why don't you try it out Gary ?
You don't have to be in your boat to do that ;-)
And.....if it smell to *you* then you don't have to wonder anymore g
--
c ya Wim
www.cruising.ca/thousand/f-index.html


"Garry Beattie" wrote in message
...
: When I purchased my boat it had a 2 burner kero stove in it.
:
: It was the first thing I took out! I figured the smell of burning kerosene
: would be enough not to want it on the boat.
:
: After reading these post's I am wondering if I did the right thing. I
still
: have the kero stove, with all it's spare parts, but I have never used it.
: Heck I wouldn't even know how to light it.
:
: Do they smell when alight?
:
: --
: Garry Beattie
: Ocean Spirit Trailer Sailer &
: Small Yacht Cruising Emagazine
: www.ocean-spirit.com
:
:

If you put the propane stove back in you should also install a detector and
blower.

I have used gas, unpressurised alcohol and pressurised alcohol, and the
pressurised alcohol is by far the best. The fuel is inexpensive, easy to
obtain and safe to transport and store. The burner characteristics are
excellent - much better than unpressurised alcohol and nearly as good as
gas. I have heard that it produces a lot of moisture, but that's never been
a problem. I have never had any sort of incident with pressurized alcohol,
but I have witnessed how easily an alcohol fire is put out with a cup of
water. Lighting it is a bit fiddly - I keep a squeeze bottle with nozzle for
filling the tray, and a barbecue lighter instead of matches. The pump is
not built in so I use one designed for inflating footballs. I wouldn't go
back to gas.
--
Jeff Richards

"Eric Maschke" wrote in message
. ..
Just purchased a 1979 Pacific Seacraft Orion. The boat has had several
owners. The last owner took out the Force 10 stove (propane) and put in an
Origa alcohol stove. The Origa is not a pressurized stove, it is a pour
and
light type.

I was told that the Origa can barely boil water and is really bare bones.
On
the other hand if I go back to the propane I'll need to find a place to
store the bottle and rerun the propane line which I don't want to do.

I'm not doing any gourmet cooking but would like to be able to heat water
for coffee, fry up the occasional eggs and bacon for breakfast and cook up
the occasional fresh caught fish.

With this in mind, any ideas on self contained stoves? Alcohol or Kerosene
?
Manufacture? Pros and cons?

Eric

You know, often the simplest answers are the most logical!

I will set it up in my garage and give it a try and see how it goes.

--
Garry Beattie
Ocean Spirit Trailer Sailer &
Small Yacht Cruising Emagazine
www.ocean-spirit.com

"Wim" wrote in message
...
Why don't you try it out Gary ?
You don't have to be in your boat to do that ;-)
And.....if it smell to *you* then you don't have to wonder anymore g
--
c ya Wim
www.cruising.ca/thousand/f-index.html


"Garry Beattie" wrote in message
...
: When I purchased my boat it had a 2 burner kero stove in it.
:
: It was the first thing I took out! I figured the smell of burning
kerosene
: would be enough not to want it on the boat.
:
: After reading these post's I am wondering if I did the right thing. I
still
: have the kero stove, with all it's spare parts, but I have never used
it.
: Heck I wouldn't even know how to light it.
:
: Do they smell when alight?
:
: --
: Garry Beattie
: Ocean Spirit Trailer Sailer &
: Small Yacht Cruising Emagazine
: www.ocean-spirit.com
:
:

I guess the next question is "how do I light this thing?"

It has a valve on it for using a bike pump to pressurise it and a couple of
flame control knobs at the front but that's about it.

Any idea's???

--
Garry Beattie
Ocean Spirit Trailer Sailer &
Small Yacht Cruising Emagazine
www.ocean-spirit.com


"Terry Spragg" wrote in message
...


Garry Beattie wrote:

You know, often the simplest answers are the most logical!

I will set it up in my garage and give it a try and see how it goes.

--
Garry Beattie
Ocean Spirit Trailer Sailer &
Small Yacht Cruising Emagazine
www.ocean-spirit.com

"Wim" wrote in message
...
Why don't you try it out Gary ?
You don't have to be in your boat to do that ;-)
And.....if it smell to *you* then you don't have to wonder anymore g
--
c ya Wim
www.cruising.ca/thousand/f-index.html


"Garry Beattie" wrote in message
...
: When I purchased my boat it had a 2 burner kero stove in it.
:
: It was the first thing I took out! I figured the smell of burning
kerosene
: would be enough not to want it on the boat.
:
: After reading these post's I am wondering if I did the right thing.
I
still
: have the kero stove, with all it's spare parts, but I have never
used
it.
: Heck I wouldn't even know how to light it.
:
: Do they smell when alight?
:
: --
: Garry Beattie
: Ocean Spirit Trailer Sailer &
: Small Yacht Cruising Emagazine
: www.ocean-spirit.com
:

Our pressure kero stove with oven did not smell as much lit as it
did when filling it.

Our propane camp stove is more convenient and stows easily. It
lacks an oven, which we never used anyway. Propane fuel is more
costly and some would fear, more dangerous. We keep all propane
canisters on deck unless in use.

I hated our alcohol stoves, both pressure and puddle style. They
smelled worst of all.

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Thanks Terry.

I'll try and fire mine up.

regards

--
Garry Beattie
Ocean Spirit Trailer Sailer &
Small Yacht Cruising Emagazine
www.ocean-spirit.com
"Terry Spragg" wrote in message
...
There are 2 basic types of kero stove burners. one includes a
preheater vaporizer burner, the other, a preheater cup.

They operate in the same manner as a naptha or white gas stove,
using burner heat to vapourize liquid fuel to sustain the heating
process. The burner head must be preheated to start the cooking
fire.

Both kero types must boil the kero inside the burner head, to
provide vapourised kerosene fumes which is what burns hot and
bright blue.

The type I prefer uses an atomiser preheater, a very fine mist
shower head type nozzle with a control seperate from the main
burner valve control. Mine looked like sliding knobs on the deck
of the stove.

After pressure is pumped up in the fuel reservoir tank, the
atomizer burner is opened and lit with a match. The blowtorch
style flame points at the normal burner head and heats it up. It
is a little noisy, and extingushes easily in a cross draught.
When hot enough (2 minutes) the main burner valve is opened, the
pressurized kero spray hits the heated head, the vapour fumes
ignite, and then the atomiser may be turned off. Once mastered,
it is easy and quick. If the burner has not been heated enough,
liquid kero will drip instead of vapourising, and a large,
smelly, smoky, yellow flame will result. If you do not get a
bright blue flame, close the main burner valve quickly and
continue heating the burner head, starting to time the 2 minutes
again. Kenyon instructions say to stop preheating, and wait 5
minutes first, after possible flare ups occur, as a lot of liquid
kero can come out, if you are not paying attention. I recommend
opening the main burner valve slowly, so as to keep better
control of the possible flare up.

If the burner was hot enough, a blue flame, like a natural gas or
propane flame will result.

For some reason the atomizer seemed to use up pressure quite
quickly, and after getting main burner ignition, it was almost
always neccessary to pump up some more.

Kero stoves are very sensitive to contamination, and plug up
easily requiring cleaning. Release the pressure cap , drain the
fuel, dissassemble the burner clean, reassemble, pump up, and
preheat. Use a fine mesh filter funnel for filling the tank.
Once in a while, rinse the tank with a little clean kero to expel
any possible grit, dust, etc. Put the used, possibly dirty kero
into an oil lamp, or filter it.

The other type has a small cup under the burner head, into which
you may squirt some kero or alcohol and light it to preheat the
burner. Kero can be used, but it will burn with a lot of smelly
black smoke. Alcohol burns more cleanly, but you cannot see the
flame. A small cube of fire starter, sawdust and wax, can also be
used to preheat.

Pressure kero stoves should work with clean diesel fuel or jet
fuel. It is very cheap fuel.

Is it any wonder we prefer propane and a piezo electric barbeque
spark lighter for weekending?

We keep the propane cylinders on deck except when in use.
Scuppers will allow accumulated fumes to drain away like water. A
large tank adapter and hose may be used, but we disconnect the
hose and leave it on deck with the tank turned off and fuel
burned off in the camp stove before disconnecting.

Terry K

Garry Beattie wrote:

I guess the next question is "how do I light this thing?"

It has a valve on it for using a bike pump to pressurise it and a couple
of
flame control knobs at the front but that's about it.

Any idea's???

--
Garry Beattie
Ocean Spirit Trailer Sailer &
Small Yacht Cruising Emagazine
www.ocean-spirit.com

"Terry Spragg" wrote in message
...


Garry Beattie wrote:

You know, often the simplest answers are the most logical!

I will set it up in my garage and give it a try and see how it goes.

--
Garry Beattie
Ocean Spirit Trailer Sailer &
Small Yacht Cruising Emagazine
www.ocean-spirit.com

"Wim" wrote in message
...
Why don't you try it out Gary ?
You don't have to be in your boat to do that ;-)
And.....if it smell to *you* then you don't have to wonder anymore
g
--
c ya Wim
www.cruising.ca/thousand/f-index.html


"Garry Beattie" wrote in message
...
: When I purchased my boat it had a 2 burner kero stove in it.
:
: It was the first thing I took out! I figured the smell of
burning
kerosene
: would be enough not to want it on the boat.
:
: After reading these post's I am wondering if I did the right
thing.
I
still
: have the kero stove, with all it's spare parts, but I have never
used
it.
: Heck I wouldn't even know how to light it.
:
: Do they smell when alight?
:
: --
: Garry Beattie
: Ocean Spirit Trailer Sailer &
: Small Yacht Cruising Emagazine
: www.ocean-spirit.com
:

Our pressure kero stove with oven did not smell as much lit as it
did when filling it.

Our propane camp stove is more convenient and stows easily. It
lacks an oven, which we never used anyway. Propane fuel is more
costly and some would fear, more dangerous. We keep all propane
canisters on deck unless in use.

I hated our alcohol stoves, both pressure and puddle style. They
smelled worst of all.

--
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copyright legislation. Permission to reproduce it is
specifically denied for mass mailing and unrequested
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purpose is THEFT and PLAGIARISM. Abuse is Invasion of privacy
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--
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copyright legislation. Permission to reproduce it is
specifically denied for mass mailing and unrequested
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